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ebswift

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Re: Working Magnetic Motor on you tube!!!
« Reply #390 on: January 10, 2008, 10:52:50 PM »
I have a question which I'm sure has already been answered.  In the youtube video, when he stops the two magnets and the motor speeds up, I've heard it eventually slows to a stop.  However, what happens if he justs leaves all 3 stators spinning and does nothing, does the device slow down still or does it keep running an unknown amount of time?

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Charlie
From what I've gathered from what Al's been saying, it runs for an unknown amount of time, just as it does with the two stators stopped.  It just runs slower.  Further tests may show other differences, but time will tell.

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Re: Working Magnetic Motor on you tube!!!
« Reply #391 on: January 10, 2008, 11:00:22 PM »
I have a question which I'm sure has already been answered.  In the youtube video, when he stops the two magnets and the motor speeds up, I've heard it eventually slows to a stop.  However, what happens if he justs leaves all 3 stators spinning and does nothing, does the device slow down still or does it keep running an unknown amount of time?

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Charlie
That's the big question here. I have remained with the impression that it has carried on at that higher speed for three hours without decelerating and then it has stopped for unknown reason. This is one important thing to be verified after replicating the effect from the video. I wouldn't even stop the two stators, I'd have it, as you mention, with all three stators rotating and will try to monitor the rpm as a function of time till it stops abruptly after the 3 hour run (that's the time @alsetalonkin says it has run for unattended, without external energy supply). I would be impressed if it continues to spin for three hours without external supply, let alone if that spinning would be at constant rate. Any of this would point to OU. Also, in addition to the Faraday cage which I will place the device, to kill all these ridiculous proposals for tapping into extraneous EM fields, I'll mount the rotor first to a DC motor and will run it at 300rpm (the rotation rate when spinning it by hand) and then at 1200rpm (the rotation rate due to the effect). The product of the current and voltage I'd measure in those two cases will give me an indication for the power generated from within, coming out of nothing.

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Re: Working Magnetic Motor on you tube!!!
« Reply #392 on: January 10, 2008, 11:00:23 PM »

Another easy to find source for rotor and/or stator bearings are those tiny bearings at the end of a router bit. They're good for up to 25,000 rpm and they sure can take a beating!
Had to replace some last year and they only cost about $2 each. Bought them at the local woodworking store. 

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Re: Working Magnetic Motor on you tube!!!
« Reply #393 on: January 10, 2008, 11:08:18 PM »
I ordered my bearings today.  I chose the flanged ones for the center rotor.  A tad more expensive but probably will be worth it.  Add a few drops of oil and they are good to 48,000 rpm's.  I was already speaking with the bearing guy about future upgrades, and once the unit is actually up and running, we hope to replace all of the bearings, first thing, with precision bearings.  Rated rpm's about 100,000.  It simply means less friction. 

But we want to use the same type of everything to start with.  Get it running first, before changing anything!  ;)

Cheers,

Bruce

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Re: Working Magnetic Motor on you tube!!!
« Reply #394 on: January 10, 2008, 11:11:53 PM »
Can't agree mote. Get it running first. Just curious, how much are those precision bearings?

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Re: Working Magnetic Motor on you tube!!!
« Reply #395 on: January 10, 2008, 11:43:43 PM »
So it only runs for 3 hours when all three stators are spinning then it slows down (coming to a stop) for unknown reasons?  Sorry just making sure I'm understanding this correctly.

If this is reproducible it sounds like an energy amplifier - it must take energy to make energy haha. 

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Charlie

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Re: Working Magnetic Motor on you tube!!!
« Reply #396 on: January 10, 2008, 11:46:51 PM »
So it only runs for 3 hours when all three stators are spinning then it slows down (coming to a stop) for unknown reasons?  Sorry just making sure I'm understanding this correctly.

If this is reproducible it sounds like an energy amplifier - it must take energy to make energy haha. 

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Charlie
I don't know whether or not it decelerates and comes to a stop or it keeps spinning for 3 hours and then abruptly comes to a stop. Either way, more energy (energy out of nothing) is being produced than the energy put in, just as in SMOT.

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Re: Working Magnetic Motor on you tube!!!
« Reply #397 on: January 10, 2008, 11:51:38 PM »
@Omnibus

After the motor stop, do you tray to restart it ? Is it restarted ?

ebswift

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Re: Working Magnetic Motor on you tube!!!
« Reply #398 on: January 11, 2008, 12:13:05 AM »
So it only runs for 3 hours when all three stators are spinning then it slows down (coming to a stop) for unknown reasons?  Sorry just making sure I'm understanding this correctly.

If this is reproducible it sounds like an energy amplifier - it must take energy to make energy haha. 

Thanks,
Charlie
It is not as mysterious as it seems.  Al has seen the thing run over a period of three hours.  He has started it, gone to sleep, woke up and it has stopped.  He has mentioned that sometimes if a truck drives past and rattles the floorboards the thing loses sync.  Probably given the fact that the assembly runs noisily means it isn't running smoothly, therefore if everything was assembled with precise tolerances it would run for longer.  Because he is currently running various tests with the little time he has, he is utilising his time to get test results rather than going for duration tests.

Your best bet is to read it in his own words at the Steorn thread, then there's no risk of him being mis-quoted or second-guessed.

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Re: Working Magnetic Motor on you tube!!!
« Reply #399 on: January 11, 2008, 12:14:22 AM »
Don't know these details. @alsetalonkin is very frugal in explaining these issues. He also promised to show another, longer video with a better lighting but never did. We would have to find the answers to these questions ourselves. My magnets arrived already, still waiting for the bearings and the parts won't be ready till Saturday at the earliest. Can't wait.

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Re: Working Magnetic Motor on you tube!!!
« Reply #400 on: January 11, 2008, 12:30:10 AM »
@Omnibus

After the motor stop, do you tray to restart it ? Is it restarted ?
Discontinuous!? Start/stop!? This is beginning to sound familiar, and it's freaking me out! :o

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Re: Working Magnetic Motor on you tube!!!
« Reply #401 on: January 11, 2008, 12:34:19 AM »
@Omnibus

After the motor stop, do you tray to restart it ? Is it restarted ?
Discontinuous!? Start/stop!? This is beginning to sound familiar, and it's freaking me out! :o
Why? Aside from SMOT what else can do that? If you think that's nothing I'll give you a $10  bill in exchange for a $20 bill you'll hand me. And I'd like to do it more than once. Deal?

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Re: Working Magnetic Motor on you tube!!!
« Reply #402 on: January 11, 2008, 12:37:43 AM »
Did a quick simulation on the stator magnet sitting on the stator bearing to see how it effected the field from the diametrically polarised magnet.
The magnet is N50, but I suspect Al's motor uses N42 or thereabouts.
As you can see the field does pull downwards somewhat.
It would be good to see a 3D view but Femm 4 does not support it.
I cannot remember if Al said the stator was below or above the rotor magnet, because what he may have said is that it worked best if the stator magnet was higher than the rotor and therefore the fields would have lined up.


(http://i100.photobucket.com/albums/m25/kingrs/StatorWithSteelBearing.jpg)

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Rob

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Re: Working Magnetic Motor on you tube!!!
« Reply #403 on: January 11, 2008, 12:42:28 AM »
You may kindly ask @Jdo300 to do it in Maxwell3D. He has a lot of experience with that. Don't think it's necessary right at this moment, though. This will take valuable time from his replication efforts.

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Re: Working Magnetic Motor on you tube!!!
« Reply #404 on: January 11, 2008, 12:51:25 AM »
@Omnibus

After the motor stop, do you tray to restart it ? Is it restarted ?
Discontinuous!? Start/stop!? This is beginning to sound familiar, and it's freaking me out! :o
Why? Aside from SMOT what else can do that? If you think that's nothing I'll give you a $10  bill in exchange for a $20 bill you'll hand me. And I'd like to do it more than once. Deal?
Erm, Omnibus, I like you, and I agree with you. If I thought this was nothing, I would not be freaking out.
Store up some of the energy from the 3 hr. run, to start the process over.

Would something like this be scalable?

If Al and OC never thought a free lunch was possible why would they waste their time? Sounds suspicious.