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pinoyz

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Re: Working Magnetic Motor on you tube!!!
« Reply #330 on: January 10, 2008, 06:31:10 AM »
We recently stroke a deal with such company to build their antenna on our property and pay us a monthly rent for that. So, you say, had we found a proper device we could also steal energy from that. But that's stealing (forgive the frank language) while I think what we're working on is producing energy from nothing. Anyway, just a little friendly chit-chat now while waiting for the magnets.  My friend already started the lathing an milling, the magnets and the bearings will arrive soon and it'll be seen shortly what we're facing.

Apparently far back when they first started transmitting TV signals, people found a way of tapping power off it, but the way that the TV stations found out was that the signal was not reaching the whole area that it was meant too reach, this was because the buggers were tapping it for power and draining the signal before it got that far hehe  ;D

So you cannot really call this FREE ENERGY as it is being created from another source anyway.

It is illegal to do this BTW and I would not advise to have a go :)

Take a motor and get it to increase the speed of a Rotor from 1000rpm to 4000 rpm, it will take current to start that motor, it will take current to get it too that 4000rpm speed. That requires energy, but if AL's Rig has found a away of doing it without anything but the magnets then we Defo got something interesting here!




Hello im new here in this forum ,this is my first message on this forum :)
I think the external energy came from the transformer of the floresent lamp. You can hear that in video humming..., even in the start of the video,

oak

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Re: Working Magnetic Motor on you tube!!!
« Reply #331 on: January 10, 2008, 06:40:52 AM »
Hi pinoyz.  I don't have the expertise to know whether that theory is plausible.  I do know that alsetalokin is interested in ruling out all possible artificial causes of the acceleration.  Have you tried to post the idea in one of the Steorn forum threads, where he is active?  Or if you can't post there, would you like for me to post it there?

  Oak

ETA:  I will note that alsetalokin did say he got the device running in two different locations -- where he lives, and in the lab where he works.

pinoyz

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Re: Working Magnetic Motor on you tube!!!
« Reply #332 on: January 10, 2008, 07:05:42 AM »
Hi pinoyz.  I don't have the expertise to know whether that theory is plausible.  I do know that alsetalokin is interested in ruling out all possible artificial causes of the acceleration.  Have you tried to post the idea in one of the Steorn forum threads, where he is active?  Or if you can't post there, would you like for me to post it there?

  Oak

ETA:  I will note that alsetalokin did say he got the device running in two different locations -- where he lives, and in the lab where he works.


I also read Steorn forum threads too many discusion there, so read only the coment of alsetalokin. I read one of his post about his lamp, but now icant find that coz too many post. so is he say run the device in his home and lab, did he mention what lamp he using? in that 2 location..
But anyway, if it is running using external energy or run by itself is stil great invention, a compact of this can power handheld device, dont you think.......
Hope replicator's succeed....... :)

Dom

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Re: Working Magnetic Motor on you tube!!!
« Reply #333 on: January 10, 2008, 07:06:01 AM »
Quote
lol look at this guys

http://youtube.com/watch?v=uJy21fXhZMQ

I would not even give this "dork" the time of day!  Look up "fool" in the dictionary and you'll see this guy's picture.

 ::)
Dan

Yeah I'm weary now of people posting and retrieving the post right after, I for one wouldn't do it, because it damn upsets people, and it's very mean and dishonest, but their time will come one day, if not in this life, definitely in the next.

Not all the people here are glueless, they do experiments and like to see if indeed there are anomalies.

here's my setup almost finished, not quite like the video, but I couldn't get it to run like his, so good luck to the goodmen out there.

Love

Dom

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Re: Working Magnetic Motor on you tube!!!
« Reply #334 on: January 10, 2008, 08:23:44 AM »
Well,  I'm all ready for testing tomorrow.

Hi Dusty!

Great work!  The rig looks like it would stop incoming artillery while generating power.

I just noticed that your stators were setup according to the first CAD drawings floating around.  Here's a top-down pic of Al's rotor, and you can see there are only two open spots between the dampers and the flanking stators.

(http://www.overunity.org.uk/ocpm/sl2.jpg)  (apologies to Sean for hotlinking image)

jcims

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Re: Working Magnetic Motor on you tube!!!
« Reply #335 on: January 10, 2008, 08:24:30 AM »
Well,  I'm all ready for testing tomorrow.

Hi Dusty!

Great work!  The rig looks like it would stop incoming artillery while generating power.

I just noticed that your stators were setup according to the first CAD drawings floating around.  Here's a top-down pic of Al's rotor, and you can see there are only two open spots between the dampers and the flanking stators.

(http://www.overunity.org.uk/ocpm/sl2.jpg) 
(apologies to Clanzerfor hotlinking image)

oak

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Re: Working Magnetic Motor on you tube!!!
« Reply #336 on: January 10, 2008, 08:32:29 AM »
Hi pinoyz.  I don't have the expertise to know whether that theory is plausible.  I do know that alsetalokin is interested in ruling out all possible artificial causes of the acceleration.  Have you tried to post the idea in one of the Steorn forum threads, where he is active?  Or if you can't post there, would you like for me to post it there?

  Oak

ETA:  I will note that alsetalokin did say he got the device running in two different locations -- where he lives, and in the lab where he works.


I also read Steorn forum threads too many discusion there, so read only the coment of alsetalokin. I read one of his post about his lamp, but now icant find that coz too many post. so is he say run the device in his home and lab, did he mention what lamp he using? in that 2 location..
But anyway, if it is running using external energy or run by itself is stil great invention, a compact of this can power handheld device, dont you think.......
Hope replicator's succeed....... :)

Pinoyz, I just posted the following there:

Hi Alsetalokin. On the overunity.com forum, a suggestion was made that perhaps the florescent lighting?s transformer ? which can be heard in the video ? is a source of external energy feeding the device.
I don't have the expertise to know whether that theory is plausible, but am curious what you think of it.
You did say, if I recall correctly, that you were able to get the device running both at your home and in the lab where you work. Do both locations have similar lighting?
Thanks very much.

http://www.steorn.com/forum/comments.php?DiscussionID=60132&page=14#Item_3
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It seems pretty quiet in the forum right now, and it's 2:30 a.m. for Alsetalokin (he's somewhere in eastern Canada), so he may not answer for several hours.


vipond50

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Re: Working Magnetic Motor on you tube!!!
« Reply #337 on: January 10, 2008, 08:34:07 AM »
Hey Guys,

I spoke with the owner of A & W Bearings and Supply Co.
1-936-564-4810

Ask for Mike Butler 

He knows all about the magnet motor and has all the drawings.

Bearings for the Stator Magnets:
Part number = R3
Size is 1/2" OD
3/16" ID
1/8" Thickness
Price is $2.40 each, Package of 10
= $24.40
Steel Bearing
RPM rated:
With Grease 41,000 RPM's
With Oil 48,000 RPM's   ;D
No Seal (Less friction)

Bearing for Rotor Stator
1/2" OD
1/4" ID
1/8" Thickness (times 2.  One on top and one on bottom.)
No Flange
$1.50 each per package of 10 =
$10.50 
Same type and rating as above.

For flanged, he is pricing tomorrow.  Shipping is added and is subject to where you live, and how you want it shipped, etc.

Mike is excited about this project.

Cheers,
Bruce

Thanks Bruce
I did not have a chance to do any calling today, but will give Mike a call tomorrow and discuss the bearing spec. Will more than likely source the package and also source SS as well.

Thx
Bill

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Re: Working Magnetic Motor on you tube!!!
« Reply #338 on: January 10, 2008, 08:56:41 AM »
@oak,

This theory is very unlikely. Nevertheless, you may check that I proposed to @alsetalonkin to place his device in a Faraday cage, just before he released the video. That'll take care forever of this problem mentioned occasionally here and there. As a matter of fact @alsetalonkin promised to present a new, longer video the week following the week he released his first video. To no avail, though. I should also mention that your point regarding the rotor mass that seconds @korkscrew's point that "the relationship between the stator mass and the force of the magnets is critical" is quite important, I think. Therefore, several of us here have emphasized the importance of exact replication first, before making any modifications. It may turn out that we would need to know some more subtle details of the working model. Was the motor presented in the video the only working motor, I didn't catch that? I know @alsetalonking dismisses the suggestion for an exact replication but was there another one working? It should be noted that for the first time someone claiming such working motor is hanging around, answering questions regarding his creation. That was the reason I decided to leave the Steorn forum to not get accused that he disappeared because of me. So far there were numerous instances whereby constructors of such devices disappeared without a trace. Take Torbay or @xpenzif and even one Mike who claimed successful reproduction of Bedini motor who hung around for a while getting everybody enthused (tens of people and even probably more began replicating his device) only to disappear suddenly without a trace. Hope we're facing a different situation this time and many of those who decided to give it a tryl will achieve to see what @alsetalonkin demonstrated in his video.

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Re: Working Magnetic Motor on you tube!!!
« Reply #339 on: January 10, 2008, 09:03:37 AM »
@pinoyz,

Make no mistake. If this or a similar device runs on external energy then it isn't a great invention at all and at most will only be a marginal curiosity. However, if it does what we see in the video and we can reproduce it, then it most likely runs powered by energy produced from within and deserves most serious attention and studies for a definitive confirmation for science to accept it.

oak

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Re: Working Magnetic Motor on you tube!!!
« Reply #340 on: January 10, 2008, 09:08:32 AM »
Omni, looking at the photos Al took, it appears he may have had one or two other rigs he had started on (not identical to the one that is being discussed), but from everything he's said it appears there is only one working model.  (Whatever "working" means -- and like you I hope it means OU.)

Omnibus

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Re: Working Magnetic Motor on you tube!!!
« Reply #341 on: January 10, 2008, 09:26:12 AM »
@oak,

That's my impression too. My guess is this has been some kind of a serendipitous coincidence of circumstances plus the error he inadvertently made to turn one of the stators in the "wrong" direction. If the effect (OU) he presents in the video is confirmed this "error" leading to success will remain as one more curiosity in the history of technology. Hope replications run easier this time than what we know usually happens. I will never forget how Torbay couldn't reproduce and couldn't demonstrate his own motor to work when he came to New York. Prior to that I had the assurances of a high Argentinean official whose office has been funding the project that he has seen it work for a long time (months). Recall the most recent replication that went awry--that of @xpenzif. These are very tricky contraptions whereby it's very hard to avoid minute flaws in timing or weights and proportions crucial for them to run as OU. Most of the time the constructors aren't open enough (and even not at all) and thus hurt their cause big time--think of Steorn, Perendev, Lego etc. and the latest, @xpenzif, who didn't even bother to instruct the people trying to replicate it that the cylinder must have 14 diagonal rows and must be placed on an 8-barrier stepper motor.

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Re: Working Magnetic Motor on you tube!!!
« Reply #342 on: January 10, 2008, 09:27:21 AM »
I would sugest using a micro lubricant, and it would reduce friction considerable even over oil. Also some micro lubricants are designed to move towards heat, so will last and maintain the reduced friction longer.

every little bit helps.


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« Reply #343 on: January 10, 2008, 09:28:55 AM »
@SameCoin,

Any suggestion of a brand and where to get it?

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Re: Working Magnetic Motor on you tube!!!
« Reply #344 on: January 10, 2008, 09:41:51 AM »

Hi CLaNZeR,
The dampers are on the 2 of the 13 predrilled holes flanking the stator.

Also see alsetalokin's post
"...And one more time: 6061-T6 extruded aluminum bar stock, machined to the exact dimensions of the stator magnets (except I really did use a 3/16 hole, the magnets are a bit bigger here), spaced and oriented by trial and error, and in my unit, the pre-drilled holes for the stator magnets seemed close enough to the sweet positions so I just used them."

I hope this helps

Confirmed by Al last night at the Steorn forum:

There was an adjustment process that took a couple hours to find the sweet spot and the orientation, and it seemed so close to an already drilled and tapped set of holes in the base, that I just used the existing holes, even though the positioning wasn't totally optimum. It seems to do what I intended. I never anticipated the need for these dampers when I was laying out the unit

Sorry about my distracting posting on page 14 of this thread on this damper topic.
« Last Edit: January 10, 2008, 07:04:11 PM by robbie47 »