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Author Topic: Working Magnetic Motor on you tube??  (Read 960285 times)

Offline Craigy

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Re: Working Magnetic Motor on you tube!!!
« Reply #75 on: January 06, 2008, 04:10:23 AM »
hi guys ,

don?t want to put anyone off , but the acceleration puzzled me, so contacted a phd for his take on the matter, now i still think something is going on , whereas my phd friend now after some thought does not..still can?t agree all the time can we..

I think i know why it accelerates

Think about the effect that ice skaters use to make a fast spin - they start spinning as fast as they can and then fold their arms in - by conservation of angular momentum they then rotate much faster since the net moment of inertia has been reduced just by pulling in their arms. I think this gadget could be doing the same thing - stopping the outside magnets greatly reduces the moment of inertia and so the main rotor has to speed up in consequence in order to still have the same angular momentum.

Hence the question, what happens if you don't stop the outside magnets?



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« Reply #75 on: January 06, 2008, 04:10:23 AM »

Offline Mr.Entropy

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Re: Working Magnetic Motor on you tube!!!
« Reply #76 on: January 06, 2008, 06:35:22 AM »
I think i know why it accelerates

Think about the effect that ice skaters use to make a fast spin - [...]

To do that you actually have to move rotating stuff from the outside of the rotor to the inside, and that's not happening here.

The angular momentum in the stator magents that are stopped is transferred to the earth via the fingers that stop them.  To get it into the rotor, you would have to transfer it to the rotor via a force.

Cheers,

Mr. Entropy


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Re: Working Magnetic Motor on you tube!!!
« Reply #77 on: January 06, 2008, 10:11:56 AM »
I think the driving force is only provided by the one stator magnet that is forced clockwise.
The other 2 (rotating counter clockwise) are 'dragged' by the rotor. This consumes energy. When you stop those 2, less energy loss is occurring.
That is why the rotor is accelerating in my view.

The acceleration at the startup of the motor seems to occur to achieve a balanced state that relates to the mass and the magnet forces of the rotating rotor and the stator(s). This can be simply confirmed by putting more load to the rotor.

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Re: Working Magnetic Motor on you tube!!!
« Reply #78 on: January 06, 2008, 12:45:09 PM »
hahaha

but I had already made this (click on the image for the doc) It even explains why the device needs a speed governor to kick start it.

RESONANT MAGNETOMECHANICS
(http://magnetmotor.googlepages.com/resonance-to-slow.gif)

to slow
(http://magnetmotor.googlepages.com/resonance-slow.gif)

to fast
(http://magnetmotor.googlepages.com/resonance-to-fast.gif)

within resonance
(http://magnetmotor.googlepages.com/resonance-match.gif)

A bit like xpenzif in his last posts before he made that video.

Yeah. You're right. Your device is flawless. You solved the elusive alternative fuel source. You saved the world. Good work gaby de wilde. Build it so we can all benefit. ::)
http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,3305.0.html

HAHAHAHAHA

Maybe everything in my journal is for real? o dear?

http://magnetmotor.go-here.nl/text

Back on topic....

Don't say? I haven't explained it well enough again? Illustrations and a doc, I knwo I know ...it's not good enough. I must explain it at least 100 times.

Here is nr 3, hold you head!

We take 2 magnets. A and B

We attach a weight to A.

In the first test we drop A so that the attraction from B intercepts the drop.

We repeat the test dropping A from increasing height.

Eventually A moves to fast for B to grasp it out of the sky.

We will call this "above critical speed". There where B is capable of interception the speed of A is "below critical speed".

Below crit. -> attraction overcomes kinetic energy

Above crit. -> attraction does not overcome kinetic energy

Now here it becomes tricky boys and girls.

Before deceleration A is first accelerated by B So, the speed of A can be slightly below crit. and accelerate above it during the interaction.

Nothing weird happens.

Now we attach a rope and a weight to magnet B and throw it over a beam so that we can drop it upwards. Here things get weird!

Apparently, accelerating magnet A from just below crit to just above it costs more energy as to accelerate both magnet A and magnet B from just below 1/2 crit. to just above.

If energy is preserved *grin* it seems like we should be getting 2 times as much acceleration at half the speed for our kinetic investment.

This will of course cut off some of the acceleration time. If it moves faster it will cover more distance in less  time, it's what "faster" means. : - )

The joke is that any improvement in acceleration will also cut the departure time.

Speed was already above crit. Faster departure will increase the gap proportionally.

The magnets on the device in the video are not moving linear. The 180 degree turn is like the magnet disappears for 200%.

Moving over this course the duration of the approach & departure interaction is much smaller than having one linearly.

It may enhance the fast departure effect I dunno, it does however generate a lot of interactions really really quickly.

When the resonant speed is approached the governor magnets are no longer necessary.

Tell me where you get vague.

lol


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Re: Working Magnetic Motor on you tube!!!
« Reply #79 on: January 06, 2008, 04:11:45 PM »
hahaha

but I had already made this

Have you produced a video?

I would love to see it.



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Re: Working Magnetic Motor on you tube!!!
« Reply #79 on: January 06, 2008, 04:11:45 PM »
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Re: Working Magnetic Motor on you tube!!!
« Reply #80 on: January 06, 2008, 04:25:24 PM »
Hi, gaby, very interesting indeed. Probably you've seen that I mentioned you and @CLaNZeR in the Steorn forum immediately after I found out couple of days ago what's going on. I was in Massachusetts before that for about a month and a half not paying attention to the net because had some other things to do. In the meantime the developments have been fabulous due to a serendipitous error made by @alsetalonkin when trying to develop these ideas in a working device. Turns out, by his own admission, had I not stirred him up (he uses a different word) the other day we wouldn't have known eve about these developments because it was only due to me, believe it or not, that he posted his now famous video. Ridiculous isn't it. So, the rigid self-appointed skeptic (although obviously science isn't his forte, for which I judge from former discussions with him) suddenly provides one of the most important evidence in this field. I can't get over it. Now it appears he regrets dearly showing that video. But the the gene is out of the bottle already.

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Re: Working Magnetic Motor on you tube!!!
« Reply #81 on: January 06, 2008, 04:34:39 PM »
Hi, gaby, very interesting indeed. Probably you've seen that I mentioned you and @CLaNZeR in the Steorn forum immediately after I found out couple of days ago what's going on. I was in Massachusetts before that for about a month and a half not paying attention to the net because had some other things to do. In the meantime the developments have been fabulous due to a serendipitous error made by @alsetalonkin when trying to develop these ideas in a working device. Turns out, by his own admission, had I not stirred him up (he uses a different word) the other day we wouldn't have known eve about these developments because it was only due to me, believe it or not, that he posted his now famous video. Ridiculous isn't it. So, the rigid self-appointed skeptic (although obviously science isn't his forte, for which I judge from former discussions with him) suddenly provides one of the most important evidence in this field. I can't get over it. Now it appears he regrets dearly showing that video. But the the gene is out of the bottle already.

Really, you just don't know when to stop do you?

Omnibus, you should, to use your own overused phrase  "Stop cluttering the thread" with such drivel as the above......

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Re: Working Magnetic Motor on you tube!!!
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Re: Working Magnetic Motor on you tube!!!
« Reply #82 on: January 06, 2008, 04:36:37 PM »
I really hope the ones replicating this device are successful, I'm sure something like this is going to work eventually.

But I'm a little confused.  The video posted by Yirkha clearly states that it is "No over-unity, no infinite long runs, so don't jump into conclusions".  Leads me to believe this is not a magent motor, but just a device to test the effect of the small rotating magnets.

Could it be that there is a small internal motor driving the wheel?  At least then the video makes sense.

Small motor cannot intitiate or maintain spin, but when the rear small magnet is spun clockwise it can maintain the spin.  RPM is limited by the drag of the other two small magnets, when they are stopped the RPM increases, which clearly shows these two magnets are a drag when spinning.

Question:  What happens when the back magnet is also stopped?  Does it speed up further or slow down?  Why was this not shown? 

To me, all the video shows is that when the back magnet is spinning clockwise instead of counter clockwise, there is less drag.  I like the honesty, in that the creators of this video have not claimed that this is a working motor.

Are you people building this device expecting it to run on it's own, or are you just investigating the forces involved?

I'm impressed by the quality of construction shown and am looking forward to the results.

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Re: Working Magnetic Motor on you tube!!!
« Reply #83 on: January 06, 2008, 04:48:55 PM »
@acp,

Quite the contrary. you  are the one who doesn't know his place and should stop stopping others. Don't continue or you'll hear harsher words.

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« Reply #84 on: January 06, 2008, 05:02:21 PM »
@DA,

It doesn?t matter what someone says. What?s important is what the video shows. And what the video shows is just amazing, nothing short of another experimental proof for overunity. Also, it isn?t true that the creator of this video claims it isn?t a working motor. Quite the contrary, @alsetalonkin, claims it?s indeed a working motor and all we see has come up by a sheer accident when he spun it the wrong way after making whatever changes he wasn?t intending to make. This motor he says has worked for whole 3 hours without external energy input. So it isn?t true that all the video shows is that when the back magnet is spinning clockwise instead of counter clockwise, there is less drag. Now replicating efforts are on the way and when this mandatory step is finished successfully we can congratulate ourselves with yet another proof that CoE can be violated.

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« Reply #84 on: January 06, 2008, 05:02:21 PM »
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Offline acp

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Re: Working Magnetic Motor on you tube!!!
« Reply #85 on: January 06, 2008, 05:41:19 PM »
@acp,

Quite the contrary. you  are the one who doesn't know his place and should stop stopping others. Don't continue or you'll hear harsher words.

Well, you're the one who drove alsetalonkin away from the stoern website. Thankfully he is posting again after your banning from the steorn forum.....

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Re: Working Magnetic Motor on you tube!!!
« Reply #86 on: January 06, 2008, 05:41:32 PM »
This motor he says has worked for whole 3 hours without external energy input.

Where can this information be verified?


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Re: Working Magnetic Motor on you tube!!!
« Reply #87 on: January 06, 2008, 05:42:29 PM »
On the Steorn forum....

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Re: Working Magnetic Motor on you tube!!!
« Reply #88 on: January 06, 2008, 05:42:43 PM »
Okay update from me.

First thing is I do not get involved in bickering or disputes, I am here to replicate and have some fun, so please try and keep the thread on course as such  ;D

Right first thing now the base was finished was to get the RC 3mm Internal Diameter Bearings fitted and the lathe down a Brass shaft.

(http://www.overunity.org.uk/ocpm/oc1.jpg)

As you can see the height is 30mm and the Brass shaft fits perfect.

(http://www.overunity.org.uk/ocpm/oc2.jpg)

Here is the finished Rotor by the way!

(http://www.overunity.org.uk/ocpm/oc3.jpg)

Next is to Press Fit the Brass Shaft into the Rotor, I used a Drill Press stand to achieve this.

(http://www.overunity.org.uk/ocpm/oc4.jpg)

Finally Pop the Rotor into the bearings and screw it up.

(http://www.overunity.org.uk/ocpm/oc5.jpg)

Really please with this Rig as really loose using the 3mm RC bearings.

Now I have just got to wait for the magnets to arrive. I have some 1/4 *1/4 *1/4 Cubes knocking around but not enough, so have ordered some of these as well.

That's my progress report so far, more when the magnets arrive :)

Have also now updated my site over at http://www.overunity.org.uk

Cheers

Sean.


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Re: Working Magnetic Motor on you tube!!!
« Reply #89 on: January 06, 2008, 05:49:03 PM »
@Low-Q,

This is an incorrect analysis

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Re: Working Magnetic Motor on you tube!!!
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