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Offline Low-Q

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Re: Working Magnetic Motor on you tube??
« Reply #3030 on: May 05, 2010, 09:51:05 AM »
Agreed. This motor is most probably a scam, at least untill the "secret" is revealed 100%. Permanent magnets, as in "permanent", are permanently potential carriers of energy from the day they was magnetized. Unless there is a major change in the magnetism, permanent magnets cannot provide energy of any kind. End of story.

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Re: Working Magnetic Motor on you tube??
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Re: Working Magnetic Motor on you tube??
« Reply #3031 on: August 18, 2010, 09:33:00 AM »
Hi all,

anyway, I am sure that all of you replicators have done your work very very well, nonetheless the original invention merely a fake than a working device.

... Well, I'm just want to build my new device, therefor I will need mostly a WhipMag type: case, bearings and may be at least 4 ring/torus magnets for stators.

Sure, I could just order them from competent manufacturer, but ... I tought: it could be nice to bring some old and lovely handmade devices to life again  ;).

So, if anyone wanna sell or 'lease' his/her old Whipmag replication, please feel free to place me an offer.

I need them for this one >>>:
http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=9597.0

Many thanks and best Regards,

UTiLeeTY


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Re: Working Magnetic Motor on you tube??
« Reply #3032 on: July 04, 2017, 05:17:08 PM »
Whipmag revival??

Many of us remember the sensation on this forum with this thread (203 pages):
http://overunity.com/3871/working-magnetic-motor-on-you-tube/3030/#lastPost
That was about 10 years ago. The working paper:
OC Magnetic Perpetual Motion Machine Oct 2007 Documentation (131 pages):
http://overunity.com/downloads/sa/view/down/340/#.WVuGb4XhUrE
People who want to know more about the history of the Whipmag:
https://peswiki.com/directory:oc-mpmm-magnet-motor

In a short period many replications where build, all with the intention to grasp perpetual motion or to gain overunity. None of this attempts did reach it's goal. For 2 years there was the hope that this 'all magnet mechanical device' was a key to OU. The principle was not new. The inventor Donald Kelly was experimenting in the seventies with a magnetic wheel motor based on only PM:
http://freenrg.info/Patents/Mag_Motors/US4179633.pdf
He invented also a 'magnetic torque multiplier' with an electric motor driving a small axial 'whip wheel':
https://www.google.com/patents/US4167684
IMHO this last patent carries a lot of potentiality as torque amplifier and maybe as OU device.
I lost my belief to see an all permanent magnet motor running without some external power or control. Normally the big magnet wheel was losing in a short time speed and came to a halt. People didn't solve at least 2 problems. First the sticking (cogging) of the opposite, interacting magnets and second synchronizing the drive wheels to attain a maximum effect.
In 2007 a patent of Victor Diduck was published of a magnetic motor in the style of D. Kelly:
https://www.google.com/patents/US20070296284
A great 3D drawing and explanation video of this is made by Mario Gudec. (see more of him!)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ebHEW3Ac0Gw
Last month I became convinced that Kelly's US4167684 patent needs more attention. I am longing to make the hardware to explore this principle in my home lab. I hope more people at this forum are in for a revival of the Whipmag era. We go to show a working magnet motor on YouTube ………. and also in real! Have a good time. Bests Bertoa

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Re: Working Magnetic Motor on you tube??
« Reply #3033 on: July 04, 2017, 10:45:39 PM »
Do you really want magneto-mechanical OU motor ? Try to make additional freedom of movement incorporated.


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Re: Working Magnetic Motor on you tube??
« Reply #3034 on: July 04, 2017, 11:12:09 PM »
Hi Bertoa,

Another interesting design is to keep the magnets stationary but have a polarizing rotor. Finding the balance between repulsion and attraction is where this is going to lock.

CN1184375A - Constant motion method and structure for magnetic motor
https://www.google.com/patents/CN1184375A?cl=en

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Re: Working Magnetic Motor on you tube??
« Reply #3035 on: July 05, 2017, 12:17:51 AM »
Hallo DreamThinkBuild ... and Enjoy.

It's too simple to be true, this design of Mada Heng. It looks not difficult for replication. By turning the core magnet poles the rotor runs in opposite direction. I can't wait to explore this principle; you too? Always first the quest for the right parts. That delays this kind of projects unfortunately. Without some control this Mada Heng device is going to lock. Maybe it is not that difficult to disturb the balance (or sticky point) at the right moment.

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Re: Working Magnetic Motor on you tube??
« Reply #3036 on: July 05, 2017, 07:27:28 AM »
Now you are talking! That's the correct principle ! Both the stator magnets and the rotor magnets must be running - equally and in opposite direction or one in rotary and one in displacement mode - the total momentu is zero while there is continuous movement. I saw that first in old patent...

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Re: Working Magnetic Motor on you tube??
« Reply #3037 on: July 05, 2017, 10:44:38 AM »

This design will mot work. It is too good and simple to be true.
I have only made simulations of this, and the total torque in one cycle is zero.
The reason is because the rotary iron cores will rest between inner S and outer N. To escape this sticky spot you need torque that is not present at that point.
The rotor will turn clockwise as much as counter clockwise.


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Hi Bertoa,

Another interesting design is to keep the magnets stationary but have a polarizing rotor. Finding the balance between repulsion and attraction is where this is going to lock.

CN1184375A - Constant motion method and structure for magnetic motor
https://www.google.com/patents/CN1184375A?cl=en

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Re: Working Magnetic Motor on you tube??
« Reply #3038 on: July 05, 2017, 01:15:27 PM »
Low-Q, I agree this set-up of the Mada Heng device will hang at the sticky spot. A static magnet device, like this and the whipmag, will fail. We need at least one variable magnet field, whether from the rotor or stator. This will preferably be feeded and controlled from outside the device. It doesn't matter if this variable field is generated by an electromagnet or a permanent magnet. Take CLaNZeRS whipmag replication; https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cCVri4R31gU
None of these replications does control (power and syncronize) the small stator wheel from outside. The goal was that the whipmag has to run on it's own, just like this Mada Heng device. Maybe, with some outside help, more torque can be gained. We will see. The drawing of the next device has maybe a better chance to gain some OU.
   

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Re: Working Magnetic Motor on you tube??
« Reply #3039 on: July 05, 2017, 08:08:14 PM »
Hi Bertoa,

I haven't built a replica but I've done some simple test with a linear version to see if it was possible to get the metal to move when polarized. What I found is that if you have the metal either to close to one magnet(N) or the other(S) it will just want to stick to it, in the middle it will just cancel and no movement.

I did build a test version of another patent that uses the surface tension of ferro fluid.

CN1030332A - Magnetic energy generator
https://patents.google.com/patent/CN1030332A/en

While this didn't work, it was a fun learning experience. The seals on the device broke when it slammed into a metal shelf so it looks like a mess. Attached picture of build.

If you look in this video at 6:58:

Monster magnet meets magnetic fluid...
https://youtu.be/L8cCvAITGWM?t=418

You will see that he puts a Lego block in ferro fluid and the surface tension pushes it to the side. I've been testing with this surface tension of the ferro fluid and you can get some rotation but the build up of liquid on the rotor will actually pull it back . Maybe a hydrophobic coating can overcome this(?). More testing is needed.

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Re: Working Magnetic Motor on you tube??
« Reply #3040 on: July 06, 2017, 12:05:05 PM »
@dreamthinkbuild, In my prototypes of linear- or rotational magnetic motors I avoid as much as possible the use of iron. This metal absorbs/deflects/neutralizes magnetic fields. You try to use iron in the form of ferro fluid within a magnetic field to attain movement. I don't know if there is anything to gain with this messy stuff. As you said all experiments are learning experiences in the first place and leads to new insight. The magnetic fluid video from Braniac is great.
This person has a multi-million hit emperium on YouTube. I like his work and logo.
Today, I ordered the parts nessesary for my next project. I hope to start next week. All steps will be filmed and put on YT. My last experiments with a linear electro magnetic resonator you can find at this playlist:
https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLUCdELlsEmQNpfEJ-ZVIJRNWbg7OTBwKF
I can't wait to start the revival of the whipmag era behind the workbench.
Summer greetings, Bertoa
 

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Re: Working Magnetic Motor on you tube??
« Reply #3041 on: July 08, 2017, 08:40:53 AM »
 I was in the Steorn forum when this came up years ago. Couldn't see how it worked then. But now I had a related idea:
All you need are 2 equal sized rotors mounted on rails, some strong bar neos and some weights and you could have an accelerating perpetuum mobile.  Inspired by the OCMM but a bit different.  See the attached PDF.
Anyone builder could make it with relatively little effort.


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Re: Working Magnetic Motor on you tube??
« Reply #3042 on: July 09, 2017, 02:31:02 AM »
@ hdeasy. Thanks for your suggestion. The OCMM didn't work, not from Steorn and not from the many replications in those days. You want to use gravity/flywheel to give a whip to the wheels before the whip of the magnets in repel mode can happen. I am afraid the wheels will come soon in a balance position and stop.
Building this kind of devices is never easy. Visualising is the first step and is done in thoughts and sketches. Getting the stuff together before you can start the experiments is an other story. You need the right parts, tools, instruments and craftsmanship to bring the test setup together. And don't forget the money involved in this often hopeless research.
I like new idea's, but I don't see PM or OU happen with only magnets and no external power or synchronisation. Beside that, I didn't lost my faith in OU, even if other people failed to make it happen over the last century. 

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Re: Working Magnetic Motor on you tube??
« Reply #3043 on: July 09, 2017, 06:55:56 AM »
Magnets cannot provide energy
Gravity cannot provide energy
Flywheels cannot provide energy


Adding these together in one way or the other, cannot provide energy. Because none of them can provide energy.


So bottom line must be that no thoughts, sketches, craftmanship, skills or tools can change this.


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Re: Working Magnetic Motor on you tube??
« Reply #3044 on: July 09, 2017, 08:37:29 AM »
It's because people don't listen. They do not listen to the ideas of those who have no resources.
Why do you search in patent office for the newest patents - they are crippled to hide the info - while the oldest ones are telling the truth. If you want PMM working you have to add additional axis of freedom to rotation or movement.

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