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Offline gwhy!

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Re: Working Magnetic Motor on you tube??
« Reply #2985 on: May 06, 2008, 12:23:50 AM »
Right chaps,
I did NOT make a replica wipmag but I have been playing around with a similar concept, weighted wheel ( rotor ) and very light wheel ( stator ) and nothing like the dimensions of Al's device but I have found that it is possible to get the rotor to accelerate for brief periods with loads of different configurations  ;D ... by spinning the rotor by hand then the stator. When I have finished messing about with what I am doing at the mo I will take some rpm readings and try to work out what is going on.  Sorry if some people have already sussed this out or I'm stating the obvious.  :)

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Re: Working Magnetic Motor on you tube??
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Re: Working Magnetic Motor on you tube??
« Reply #2986 on: May 21, 2008, 11:38:02 PM »
New videos were produced from Alsetalokin. If you're interested, you can find them here:

> http://it.youtube.com/watch?v=crapAVI7zQ4 (part 1) - 2000 fps
> http://it.youtube.com/watch?v=JK_1Bo5pqNA (part 2) - 2400 fps
> http://it.youtube.com/watch?v=Wj_lP5QjfXk (part 3) - 4800 fps
> http://it.youtube.com/watch?v=WMbPj8kTr8A (part 4) desynch - 4800 fps
> http://it.youtube.com/watch?v=X2NHCW8BuhI (part 5) manual spin -800 fps

 ;)

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Re: Working Magnetic Motor on you tube??
« Reply #2987 on: May 22, 2008, 12:55:38 AM »
Thanks niente.

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Re: Working Magnetic Motor on you tube??
« Reply #2988 on: May 24, 2008, 01:44:27 PM »
Another video from Alsetalokin:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uHcodnO-U10  :D

(http://img2.freeimagehosting.net/uploads/3e06e74ce1.jpg)

And this is a slightly better filtered version: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CD0aEURxHyk
« Last Edit: May 24, 2008, 02:12:43 PM by niente »


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Re: Working Magnetic Motor on you tube??
« Reply #2989 on: May 24, 2008, 06:00:49 PM »
Thanks Niente.

I guess this confirms my suspicions that those "Trash-Can" theatrics were indeed just that, and that the motor wasn't discarded after-all  ::)

I'm also struggling to understand why Alsetalokin's video's, past and present, to demonstrate a working unit, are invariably conducted in dim or poorly-lit conditions. Surely it can't be beyond the wit of man to turn a few lights on when recording a video and check that the detail is generally viewable before posting, or take what is after-all a small portable unit to another room and record with natural light. Even the most prolific fakers could manage that.

With all that's gone before and the many fruitless attempts at duplication, the latest video's depicting absolutely nothing new are hardly worth the mouse-click to watch.

Until someone else with some credibility were able to attest to seeing it work in the flesh, or replicate anything remotely like the effects claimed, for me it's time to be realistic, say "Bye-Bye WhipMag RIP", and sadly move on.

Incidentally... Gwhy!  -  Do you have any further progress or supporting observations to report from your experiments to-date?


All the best,

FunkyJive
« Last Edit: May 24, 2008, 06:27:34 PM by FunkyJive »

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Re: Working Magnetic Motor on you tube??
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Re: Working Magnetic Motor on you tube??
« Reply #2990 on: May 25, 2008, 01:44:15 AM »


Incidentally... Gwhy!  -  Do you have any further progress or supporting observations to report from your experiments to-date?



I have not managed to set anything up yet to try and see what is going on. What I would like to do is messure the speed of the rotor as well as the speed of the stator at the same time. My theory is at some point in the rotation the rotor and stator hits a sweet spot that causes the rotor to speed up but the stator to slow down and this is why the rotor only appears to speed up once per manual spin and it is also not consistant ( one spin it will and another it wont ) . The idea of messuring the stator at the same time will hopefully show me. If the stator remains on a constant rundown speed when the rotor speeds up then bingo !.... ( I think  :P )  it will be all about the phase. The best results I was getting was with 4 HDD mags stuck onto a disk ( rotor ) with a smaller dia stator with 6 small neo mags stuck to it all pointing outwards. I will try to set something up again and take some pictures or video. 

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Re: Working Magnetic Motor on you tube??
« Reply #2991 on: May 25, 2008, 04:02:33 AM »
  To omnibus:
   From House Painter:
  Glad to see someone that doesn't suffer fools gladly. This reminds me of the the post "I am not one to get excited" or some such, Where he had 18 volts on his meter, on a9v battery, when in reality he had a bad meter. I have to agree with you that OU doesn't exist; at least as the way it is being proposed here. I am not, nor will I ever, be an expert on these OU motors, but I can see a scam like this a mile away.
  This is not to degade anyone who reads or posts here. However I would like to see more rational discussions on the subject. I realise I am no more than a newbie, whatever that means. However, there is an old saying I am reminded of; " anybody can teach anybody, but not many can learn from nobody."
  A quote from a guy at Nasa "Rocket science is easy, carpentry is hard,"

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Re: Working Magnetic Motor on you tube??
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Re: Working Magnetic Motor on you tube??
« Reply #2992 on: May 25, 2008, 04:42:45 AM »
  To: niente;
   Nice to another Baldur's Gate fan.

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Re: Working Magnetic Motor on you tube??
« Reply #2993 on: June 16, 2008, 09:33:03 PM »
Sorry if these questions have been answered, but my mind has been on fire about this technology for a few years now and I thought I'd ask you fine people-

1. Why is it (realistically, aside from the gov conspiracies) that almost none of these demonstrations ever show the overunity being converted into any sort of useful power (like charging a battery)?
2. Why is it that this motor can't be hooked up to any sort of lightweight gearing system that ensures super precise timing on each turn? I realize this introduces unwanted friction, but if it is truly over-unity it seems possible that the net energy gain would make it worthwhile. One guess is that the imperfection is what allows this particular motor to work.
3. Why is it so impossible to find blue prints for this thing? If they're in this forum somewhere, forgive this question, but I've yet to find them. I would build this TODAY if I had the blue prints.
4. What is the size-to-power-output ratio? Has anyone tested this? Does it even depend on size?
5. Is this scalable? I mean, can I build a 10' diameter version and have it still work or is there a limit?
6. Does this thing stop working when you apply motion to it? I mean, if I were hypothetically driving my battery-powered car and had this thing running to re-charge the batteries (assuming it ever had enough power to be useful in this manner), would it stop working if I were to make sudden turns, speed up suddenly or stop abruptly?
7. Given that the answer to the above question is 'no', would it then pose a serious threat to the oil industry?
8. If this thing really does break a law of thermodynamics -- does that mean we just make the minor adjustment to the laws or does it change everything?
9. Has anyone given thought to the gyroscopic implications (benefits and caveats)?
10. How long does this thing run before dying out on its own?

I'll continue reading to see if I can answer any of these questions but if anyone can answer, please do. I'd be very interested to see what you have to say.

Scott

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Re: Working Magnetic Motor on you tube??
« Reply #2994 on: June 16, 2008, 11:28:23 PM »
Sorry if these questions have been answered, but my mind has been on fire about this technology for a few years now and I thought I'd ask you fine people-

1. Why is it (realistically, aside from the gov conspiracies) that almost none of these demonstrations ever show the overunity being converted into any sort of useful power (like charging a battery)?
2. Why is it that this motor can't be hooked up to any sort of lightweight gearing system that ensures super precise timing on each turn? I realize this introduces unwanted friction, but if it is truly over-unity it seems possible that the net energy gain would make it worthwhile. One guess is that the imperfection is what allows this particular motor to work.
3. Why is it so impossible to find blue prints for this thing? If they're in this forum somewhere, forgive this question, but I've yet to find them. I would build this TODAY if I had the blue prints.
4. What is the size-to-power-output ratio? Has anyone tested this? Does it even depend on size?
5. Is this scalable? I mean, can I build a 10' diameter version and have it still work or is there a limit?
6. Does this thing stop working when you apply motion to it? I mean, if I were hypothetically driving my battery-powered car and had this thing running to re-charge the batteries (assuming it ever had enough power to be useful in this manner), would it stop working if I were to make sudden turns, speed up suddenly or stop abruptly?
7. Given that the answer to the above question is 'no', would it then pose a serious threat to the oil industry?
8. If this thing really does break a law of thermodynamics -- does that mean we just make the minor adjustment to the laws or does it change everything?
9. Has anyone given thought to the gyroscopic implications (benefits and caveats)?
10. How long does this thing run before dying out on its own?

I'll continue reading to see if I can answer any of these questions but if anyone can answer, please do. I'd be very interested to see what you have to say.

Scott

The answer to 1 and 2 is that the motor is not overunity.  Given that, do you even care about the rest?

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Offline FunkyJive

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Re: Working Magnetic Motor on you tube??
« Reply #2995 on: June 17, 2008, 03:39:11 AM »
Hi Utilitarian.

I'll try to answer your questions as best I can from entirely my own perspective, accepting that I don't have all the answers and there are doubtless people here that have dedicated fields of knowledge and understanding better than I. However, please note that this motor has yet to be replicated to reflect the claims by Alsetalokin, and until that happens then this is all it is - simply claims by an apparently elusive character with a few theatrics thrown in  ::) ;)


1. Why is it (realistically, aside from the gov conspiracies) that almost none of these demonstrations ever show the overunity being converted into any sort of useful power (like charging a battery)?

There have been claims and even books written on the subject, though something tells me that it would take a unique type of charlatan to persist with twenty or more years of experimentation and very expensive model building if they had the slightest doubt of whether their technology worked (recalling... Bearden, Bedini, even Tesla, etc...etc...). However, it's inescapable that the world economy is fundamentally founded on supplier dependency and cash leverage from the consumption of fossil fuels, so if anything tangible were invented then a targeted campaign to keep inventors quiet remains a very distinct probability  in my book.

2. Why is it that this motor can't be hooked up to any sort of lightweight gearing system that ensures super precise timing on each turn? I realize this introduces unwanted friction, but if it is truly over-unity it seems possible that the net energy gain would make it worthwhile. One guess is that the imperfection is what allows this particular motor to work.

It is really "Over Unity?", as Scottmweaver rightly questioned  ;)   It's important to remain thoroughly open and objective, no matter how much one might want to believe in the claims of others.

3. Why is it so impossible to find blue prints for this thing? If they're in this forum somewhere, forgive this question, but I've yet to find them. I would build this TODAY if I had the blue prints.

Reportedly Alsetalokin has provided information, though there's good reason to question the validity and extent of the information provided if the claims were indeed true. Call me an ol' sceptic but something doesn't quite ring true in all of this.

4. What is the size-to-power-output ratio? Has anyone tested this? Does it even depend on size?

Zero... well... negative actually   ;D

5. Is this scalable? I mean, can I build a 10' diameter version and have it still work or is there a limit?

You could certainly build a 10" version, but would doubtless just require more energy input to sustain rotation  ;D

6. Does this thing stop working when you apply motion to it? I mean, if I were hypothetically driving my battery-powered car and had this thing running to re-charge the batteries (assuming it ever had enough power to be useful in this manner), would it stop working if I were to make sudden turns, speed up suddenly or stop abruptly?

If it were  possible then the generated energy would have to be used to sustain rotation, but would also have to include overcoming gyroscopic forces endeavouring to counter rotation with a fixed axle - based on it's orientation in the vehicle.

7. Given that the answer to the above question is 'no', would it then pose a serious threat to the oil industry?

Current evidence would suggest that this particular incarnation would only pose a threat to personal finances, health and safety  ;D ;D ;D

8. If this thing really does break a law of thermodynamics -- does that mean we just make the minor adjustment to the laws or does it change everything?

It is my belief that the laws are "incomplete", in that COE relates to occurrences (energy in and out) in a fixed   time domain. However, relative time-shift occurs in the micro domain all of the time. Consequently, with working knowledge that I'm not at liberty to expand upon, it is my personal belief that OU (in the traditional sense) may be realised by the effects of time-shift at micro level transferring to the macro domain - otherwise known as the fourth   dimension. Here's something that I just looked up for you to get you started...
http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,996610,00.html

9. Has anyone given thought to the gyroscopic implications (benefits and caveats)?[/url]

I can only say so much on the public forums, though suffice to say that rotation is distinctly the key ingredient to this  ;)
If there were gyroscopic benefits to be had then I would respectfully suggest that you build a gyroscope  ;D

10. How long does this thing run before dying out on its own?

Varies. Some have spoken of an evident increase in speed before dying down, but this can be explained by a phased resonant relationship betwen the various forces existent between the various moving parts (will vary, based on a variety of physical factors). Think of a skater spinning with outstretched arms, then drawing them in which causes an increase in rotational speed but NOT an increase in rotational energy. However, if he were to hold his arms in, he would still come to rest nevertheless.


All the best,

FunkyJive

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Re: Working Magnetic Motor on you tube??
« Reply #2996 on: June 17, 2008, 05:54:22 AM »
Sorry if these questions have been answered, but my mind has been on fire about this technology for a few years now and I thought I'd ask you fine people-

Funky Jive's answers were pretty good. I just thought I'd add a few brief responses of my own.

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1. Why is it (realistically, aside from the gov conspiracies) that almost none of these demonstrations ever show the overunity being converted into any sort of useful power (like charging a battery)?

According to Alsetalokin, his WhipMag has powered a small propeller for a while. I'm not sure just how long that was. That does not represent a lot of power. However, he seems to think the effect can be explained without violating any laws of thermodynamics.

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2. Why is it that this motor can't be hooked up to any sort of lightweight gearing system that ensures super precise timing on each turn? I realize this introduces unwanted friction, but if it is truly over-unity it seems possible that the net energy gain would make it worthwhile. One guess is that the imperfection is what allows this particular motor to work.

We still don't know what the timing might be. And there is presently only one of these things in existence that demonstrates the effects shown in the video. As soon as there is a successful replication, this will be studied in greater detail. Once we understand things better, I'm sure there are a number of ways it can be optimized.

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3. Why is it so impossible to find blue prints for this thing? If they're in this forum somewhere, forgive this question, but I've yet to find them. I would build this TODAY if I had the blue prints.

There are some drawings here in this thread and in other places. Best places to look are:
http://peswiki.com/index.php/Directory:OC_MPMM_Magnet_Motor
and
http://www.ospmm.org/forum/showthread.php?t=8

Active development is still proceeding at:
http://www.fizzx.com/viewforum.php?f=16

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4. What is the size-to-power-output ratio? Has anyone tested this? Does it even depend on size?

Nobody knows (If Alsetalokin knows, he isn't telling).

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5. Is this scalable? I mean, can I build a 10' diameter version and have it still work or is there a limit?

Nobody knows for sure. There is probably a practical limit on size. Just try and find some 12 inch diameter diametrically magnetized neodymium cylinders. And if you do manage to locate some, don't bother telling me how much they cost.

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6. Does this thing stop working when you apply motion to it? I mean, if I were hypothetically driving my battery-powered car and had this thing running to re-charge the batteries (assuming it ever had enough power to be useful in this manner), would it stop working if I were to make sudden turns, speed up suddenly or stop abruptly?

The only working model was able to be picked up and tilted in the video. So there is some tolerance. I don't know of any testing to determine the limits.

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7. Given that the answer to the above question is 'no', would it then pose a serious threat to the oil industry?

The answer would not have to be "no" for it to pose a threat to the oil industry, providing   the device can in fact produce more energy than it consumes. Since there have not been any successful replications so far, there is no way to tell.

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8. If this thing really does break a law of thermodynamics -- does that mean we just make the minor adjustment to the laws or does it change everything?

If   it breaks the laws of thermodynamics, there is a lot that will need to be rewritten.

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9. Has anyone given thought to the gyroscopic implications (benefits and caveats)?

Some, but not much. We are trying to focus on replication. We have considered how gyroscopic actions might contribute to or detract from the effect. Once we have another working device, there are a number of experiments we would like to perform. First things first.

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10. How long does this thing run before dying out on its own?

The longest run I am aware of was about 7 hours. Alsetalokin stopped that run prior to going to work. It did not quit on its own.

OC


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Re: Working Magnetic Motor on you tube??
« Reply #2997 on: June 17, 2008, 06:31:25 AM »
@alsetalokin is a proven hoaxer of the worst type who should be banned from all forums. In addition to other hoaxers, from benign ones who are simply incompetent to those deceiving others for profit, @alsetalokin seems to serve a devious agenda to ?punish? the "fools" who believe in the possibility to build devices producing continuously energy out of nothing (production of energy out of nothing discontinuously is proven beyond a shadow of a doubt) by deliberate leading them into a dead end. There have been several other attempts for such ?punishment? most notorious of which is that of some Mike who led a significant segment of the community to believe he has successfully replicated Bedini?s overunity claim only to disappear suddenly without a trace. Obviously @alsetalokin is serving an agenda of his employers who don?t seem to be bothered by the scam he is pulling on us and are still keeping him as their employee. It appears that Steorn also need his obvious hoax and are still not banning him from their forum.

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Re: Working Magnetic Motor on you tube??
« Reply #2998 on: June 17, 2008, 07:33:13 PM »
@alsetalokin is a proven hoaxer of the worst type

And your proof is ??  ::)


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« Reply #2999 on: June 17, 2008, 08:32:29 PM »
Do you recall @alsetalokin's statement that he has proved that something false is false while in the same breath claiming seven hours run without an external energy source? Typical hoaxer laughing in your face.

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