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Author Topic: John Lenard Watson - Earth Orbiting Crafts  (Read 15406 times)

Offline devilzangel

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John Lenard Watson - Earth Orbiting Crafts
« on: December 26, 2007, 09:38:21 PM »
http://abovespaceandtime.blip.tv/
The above link has over 50 videos of objects this guy captured on video.The objects are supposed to be orbiting Earth. The guy has also recorded unmarked helicopters harassing him.

Seems the videos were uploaded pretty recently (within the past few months), episode 1 is from Sept 15, 2007; the most recent episode 52 is from Dec 20, 2007

Although the videos may hold some weight, I don't think the sound recordings have any meaning.

Here is an article about this whole thing from Jeff Rense - http://www.rense.com/general79/wdx1.htm

what do you guys think?

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Re: John Lenard Watson - Earth Orbiting Crafts
« Reply #1 on: December 26, 2007, 09:59:45 PM »
This is fascinating. The clincher is the unmarked helicopters that have been photographed.

No country I know of allows unmarked aircraft to operate. Unless, of course the government is doing it. The repeated sighting of unauthorised unmarked aircraft over a specific area would normally spark a massive investigation by all sorts of agencies.

So why is this not happening here?

The answers appear to be obvious.

Hans von Lieven


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Re: John Lenard Watson - Earth Orbiting Crafts
« Reply #2 on: December 26, 2007, 11:01:47 PM »
Further thoughts on the orbiting space stations.

If these stations exist, and there appears to be evidence they do, unless the whole thing is a hoax, it would appear unlikely that these stations were built by man.

Consider the logistics:

By comparison with the international space station these structures appear to be massive.

For man to be able to build these structures it would require a launching base many times the size of Cape Canaveral. The traffic to and from these stations would have to be intense.

Construction, maintenance and supply of these stations would require an inordinate amount of traffic by craft much larger than the space shuttles we know about. Crews alone would have to number in the hundreds. Ground station personnel in the thousands. The demands on industry as regards material and fuel would be taxing, even for a government as large as the US.

Now where on earth would you be able to build such a base station unnoticed and how would you hide the traffic? And here by traffic I don't just mean the supply of materials into space but also the ground traffic of materials to the base station.How could you get so many people not to talk?

Whilst it is conceivable that a base station on earth could be hidden in China or Siberia amongst tight security, no-one could hide the shuttle traffic.

It would have to show up somewhere.

My contention is that it would be impossible to hide such a massive effort for any length of time.

I leave you to figure out the obvious answers and the possible reason why the government does not want you to know about it.

Hans von Lieven


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Re: John Lenard Watson - Earth Orbiting Crafts
« Reply #3 on: December 27, 2007, 01:16:35 AM »
The funny thing is .. none of these objects are "circular" (if they are, the sunlight is reflecting funny) .. lol .. it is possible they may be made by humans w/ alien technology

Besides the us military has had their hands on ufo propulsion technology for a while now. They wouldn't need cape carnival to launch massive objects into space. With such propulsion technology, weight and size is a non issue.

I want to know whether he has released any details about the type of equipment he uses (obviously a telescope, but what type and what filters?), what his general location is, what are the orbital paths and patterns of these space objects?

obviously, blindly searching for such object in the night sky would take a long time, what are his strategies for finding these space objects? The only way to prove that this is not a hoax is to see if others can also find and video capture such objects orbiting Earth.

what he can do is setup a simple forum w/ chat functionability where he can come online and when he has the objects in sight, he can post the coordinates of these objects. Then others in the same hemisphere can point their equipment at the location and provide their own images and videos. This way it is realtime, no lag, and the military doesn't have time to change the object's trajectory.

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Re: John Lenard Watson - Earth Orbiting Crafts
« Reply #4 on: December 27, 2007, 06:54:26 AM »
I guess Lenard Watson and Jose Escamilla has had a business fallout and Escamilla goes after Watson and tells what he found in regards to how Watson filmed these objects.

http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread321150/pg1

Take care.

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Re: John Lenard Watson - Earth Orbiting Crafts
« Reply #4 on: December 27, 2007, 06:54:26 AM »
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Re: John Lenard Watson - Earth Orbiting Crafts
« Reply #5 on: December 27, 2007, 05:11:32 PM »
Well, seems to be a hoax after all.

Nothing new in this game

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Re: John Lenard Watson - Earth Orbiting Crafts
« Reply #6 on: December 27, 2007, 06:43:09 PM »
^^ from the link posted, there is no way to surmise if this is a hoax .. all the guy is talking about is business contract arrangements .. where does Jose Escamilla say that the guy is a "hoax" or that the "video tapes are fake"??

Yes, this is me..Jose Escamilla. I am not pulling any punches as I never do. There are many people out there thinking I'm full of it. Well, it's been a hard road getting things out in the public eye. The UFO phenomenon has taken it's toll on my life, complete with family problems, finances that never materialize and more, etc. The Rods phenomenon in itself, is a whole new story and contrary to all the simple 'insect' explanations, Rods are very real and NOT insects!

I apologize for not knowing how to reply to each of you...Yes UFO-TGSED thread would be very cool. I have an enormous amount of things related regarding the film, how it was made, and much more. Also, I am planning to release three films on You Tube, Google, My Space and any web sites willing to carry and present my films for "free!"

I am seeking sponsors right now for this event tentative date set at: February 25, 2008. The 66 year anniversary of The Battle of LA.

This guy doesnt sound like he is claiming he has evidence that the videos made by Lenard are hoaxes!

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Re: John Lenard Watson - Earth Orbiting Crafts
« Reply #6 on: December 27, 2007, 06:43:09 PM »
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Re: John Lenard Watson - Earth Orbiting Crafts
« Reply #7 on: December 27, 2007, 06:58:59 PM »
I don't want to post videos. I want to get the apparatus in the hands of the public along with all coordinates to corroborate Lenard's claims. If more and more people can see them, then Lenard should realize he will make those "millions" he's always claimed this is worth. The reason I started this thread is because he has openly accused me on ATS and other forums as ripping him off and in setting the record straight I had no alternative but to call him on the contract he signed with me, to deliver what he promised in writing.

If he doesn't want to release the apparatus, okay, give us some coordinates. Independent verification is worth more than the original piece of film that started it all.

Jose Escamilla

i dont think this guy is saying Lenard is a hoaxer. Jose is pissed about legal issues. Lenard is scared to death for his life. lol. so many misunderstandings.  ::)

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Re: John Lenard Watson - Earth Orbiting Crafts
« Reply #8 on: December 27, 2007, 08:00:05 PM »
Of coarse Escamilla does not say it is a hoax, It would be very much detrimental to what he is doing admitting in an open forum that he was taken in by a hoaxer.

More than anything it is Watson's refusal to give the co-ordinates for even one of the so-claimed objects. There are a number of guys in this forum with the right gear that could very easily substantiate Watson's claim.

The other bit that stinks is that bit with the helicopters that has already been debunked, as Watson seemingly used existent footage from the net to "prove" he was being harassed.

I do not believe Watson's claims are real. Pity it does not say where in the UK. Watson operates from. Unmarked Chinookes in Great Britain?  Unlikely.

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Re: John Lenard Watson - Earth Orbiting Crafts
« Reply #9 on: December 28, 2007, 04:08:49 AM »
i will stay open minded.

The users saying "it is a hoax" in the ATS forum are regular users who dont know any one of the parties in question. Jose not saying the word doesnt mean that it is that word. IF it is a hoax, his reputation is already hurt, doesn't matter if he says it or not .. self-denial doesn't fix anything.

also, him making a thread like that to "call him on it" is the dumbest thing i have ever heard. The moment he created that thread, he was committing "reputational" suicide.

the best way to show this is a fakery is for someone to explain exactly how what John is showing can be made and taped like that.

The videos have been posted fairly recently. I would give this guy a good year to come out and show how he is video capturing these 'earth orbit objects'.

The main problem is people want to make money every chance they get. Unfortunately it clouds their strategy making skills, these idiots don't realize that this issue is bigger than money. The first thing to do is to remain credible. I had a thought, the John needs to seek Steven Greer for protection .. lmao.

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Re: John Lenard Watson - Earth Orbiting Crafts
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Re: John Lenard Watson - Earth Orbiting Crafts
« Reply #10 on: December 28, 2007, 05:54:56 AM »
I don't know. I always try to keep an open mind. Trying to keep an open mind sure gets confusing sometimes though  :-\

Looks like Escamilla started mentioning some, best guess, coordinates with at least one other poster offering some more coordinates torward the bottom of this page of the thread: http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread321150/pg9

Then it seems like Escamilla decided to spill the beans as to his informed hunch as to how Walson captured the objects on this page:
http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread321150/pg12

I do not know where this thread goes from there. It is at page 26 at this time and I do not think it got any more productive.

I don't know much about this stuff. I just follow many of the threads on ats because they do bring out some interesting subjects sometimes.

Take care.

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Re: John Lenard Watson - Earth Orbiting Crafts
« Reply #11 on: December 28, 2007, 09:29:09 AM »
The thread has been closed.

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Re: John Lenard Watson - Earth Orbiting Crafts
« Reply #12 on: April 27, 2008, 03:57:48 AM »
Jose is welcome to release the equipment details for the public right here. I'm sure the administrators would be glad to host the details and have Jose as a new member.

Now the story at this point is this. Still an exclusive at rense.com you can not only view ships photoed by this technique but, you can take a trip to the moon with Mr. Watson. This proves these shots really are from space, with the ability to focus closely on the moon proven I really hope to never hear he's taking a pictures of milk in coffee again. Even with the technology in legal ownership the photos seem to be genuine and ought to be given credibility.

All I know about this is it's shot with a Sony movie camera set at 0, that's zero shutter speed and it's hooked to a telescope. If I learn more I'll let you know and many of you may know far more than I do and can bring me up to speed.

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Re: John Lenard Watson - Earth Orbiting Crafts
« Reply #13 on: June 23, 2008, 06:53:43 PM »
I got a feeble amount of more, search FIS, foreign intelligence ship and watch some videos.


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Re: John Lenard Watson - Earth Orbiting Crafts
« Reply #14 on: September 06, 2008, 09:00:07 PM »
I just have to sing the praises of level 3 and 4 infrared, you have to take a look yourself. If you haven't seen craft in the sky look this way and you will see them. Watson is great and the controversy over who's work it is should be apearent  that the process is his and working very well. part 17 just hit rense.com. I wish he would let us work over a group of stills of the same craft to do contrast outlines and overlays to reveal the full shape of the craft.

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Re: John Lenard Watson - Earth Orbiting Crafts
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