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Author Topic: Nathan Stubblefield Earth battery/Self Generating Induction Coil Replications  (Read 1704126 times)

Pirate88179

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Re: Earth battery expermients
« Reply #720 on: January 05, 2008, 07:27:37 AM »
@ Jeanna:

Quote below from the anode website

The backfill consists of 75% powdered gypsum, 20% powdered bentonite clay and 5% sodium sulfate. This mixture is a low cost, nonhazardous, electrically conductive earth backfill.

I don't know the answer to your question.  They said they are using this mixture surrounding the mag. anode in a bag to lower resistance in the earth.  I don't know if we really need that or not.

I too am excited by the thought of getting into coils.  The problem I have always had with coil schematics and drawings is that, if you wind a bifilar coil (two disimilar metals, like Stubblefield) by definition that gives you 4 ends of wire to be connected somewhere but I can never figure out where.  Do you tie them together?  Do you tie the same metal wires together and then have 2 wires for connection leads?  I know this is my ignorance showing but, I have never pretended to know more than I do and I am not going to start now, ha ha.  I also don't understand when someone says "make a coil with 60 windings (turns) on a form."  OK, now do theses windings go from one end to the other like a barber pole?  Or, do you start at one end of the form, and when you get to the other, then start back over the first layer of wire? (Like a bait fishing reel)  And, to add to it, in Stubblefield's design, I believe he said to insulate the two disimilar metal windings from each other. (He was using bare wire I believe)  How the heck do you wind a coil like that?  I am sure others here can answer these questions which are probably coil winding 101 but I am lost.

It will take me a while to find the $$ for the mag. anode and chemical bag but, the potential (no punn intended) is too good to pass up I think.

One thought to change the conductivity of your soil might be to add some rock salt to it. (like sea water)  Or, you could do what Stubblefield did and add some ground up pitchblende, (uranium ore) but I would not advise it.  I will be dreaming about that huge anode tonight.

Bill

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« Reply #721 on: January 05, 2008, 03:57:21 PM »
Well, I have finally arrived home, and my carbon and magnesium have not yet arrived.   :(
So, I am going to the local hardware store and pick up a few other things to try in the mean times, and will also test some coil ideas, etc.

@ Bill,
I thought the idea was to garner as much energy from these telluric currents and not have to add ingredients to the ground to garner more power, besides electrodes and coils?

I for one would want something that can be used anywhere, by anyone, without having to purchase large magnesium blocks and additives. Just my two cents.   ;)  There are all sorts of ways to make your own battery, that would provide some power, but I am interested in only garnering these telluric currents and/or the earths magnetic field. 

There are still so many things to try and experiment, with your present setup, before moving on to something new.  IMHO.

Keep up the great work!

@Hans,

That last find was a jewel.  Notice the Stubblefield patent, where he talks about connecting the iron and copper windings at one end.  This would form that exact same bifilar coil written about, but the earth provided the source current perhaps through the secondary windings of the Stubblefield coil.  Food for thought.



Bruce

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Re: Earth battery expermients
« Reply #722 on: January 05, 2008, 05:53:11 PM »
@bruce

Fully agreed, i want a small device in the end that anyone with enough strength to open a cap off of a two litre can push into the ground.. I imagine in the compact device i will sharpen the ends of the electrodes in the ground for easy insertion. Or possible two little electrode inserts to space however one would like with strong connectors to go into a main unit. In hopes of keeping this little guy self contained and Still continuing the larger electrode path for permanent home install or camp ;D

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Re: Earth battery expermients
« Reply #723 on: January 05, 2008, 06:00:54 PM »
@ Hans quick question on the wrap that is the outermost on the Stubblefeild coil .. say the third one that is always in debate.. It was noted i think that it was steel wire or iron.. If this outer thrid layer connects to the core of this sink... the iron core or steel whatever was used... It is very reminiscent of leedscalins supposed ultra efficient electromagnet.. the key was tying the metal core to a cylindrical metal housing outside the the normal coils... Stublefield may have just used wire so as to excite it ...   This seems much too interesting to pass by....
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Re: Earth battery expermients
« Reply #724 on: January 05, 2008, 06:20:57 PM »

Awesome work everyone!

I can't wait until the snow melts around here, so I can join in the experiments (fun)!!
I ran across a site today, with 5, "Lost Science" patents from the 1870's on how to make/improve earth batteries. They were making enough electricity to run signaling apparatus and alarms!?

Number 2  patent states that "zinc and copper partly embedded in sulphur, a more intense current will be created". Reminds me.. I read in an old chemistry book somewhere that, "If we pour melted sulphur into an insulated metallic cup, we shall find, after it concretes that the sulphur and cup will be both electrified."
Where can I get sulphur? Same patent also uses magnets wound with coils!
Definite must read!  I love "out of the box" thinking!

http://giuli.com/earthbat/

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« Reply #725 on: January 05, 2008, 06:35:40 PM »
@ Bruce and Joe:

I don't disagree with your points, they are good ones.  I just want to get the power up to something anyone could view as useful, and then work on consolidating and compacting it.  Kind of like computers, if they tried to build ENIAC (which took up a large room) to fit on a desktop as a design parameter, we would still be waiting for them to build it. I don't have any extra $$ at this time so it may be a moot point.

I had a dream last night that I took my two magnesium blocks and drilled two holes  in each block such that my zinc spikes could go through the holes and make a frame. (Kind of like what Freezer was doing)  then, I was going to wrap the zinc with bare copper wire, which would give me 4 wire ends , or two, depending if I jumped the wire over to the other zinc spike or not.  I am not sure what do do with these ends unless I use them (tied together) as an attachment lead?  My thoughts are that both the mag. blocks and the zinc are on the extreme minus end of the scale and possibly the coil arrangement with the copper wire (with zinc cores) might "gather" more mA.  You guys think this is worth a try?

Bill

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« Reply #726 on: January 05, 2008, 07:01:59 PM »
Here is yet another really crude drawing to hopefully explain what I was trying to describe in my last post.  I have the stuff here to try this today if I want to.  It won't cost anything but time.

     ps I did not get Freezer and Artic Knight confused again (Ha ha)  I borrowed Freezer's plates cell idea and used
              Artic Knight's wire wrapping coil test idea as well.

Bill

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Re: Earth battery expermients
« Reply #727 on: January 05, 2008, 08:41:58 PM »
Here is yet another really crude drawing to hopefully explain what I was trying to describe in my last post.  I have the stuff here to try this today if I want to.  It won't cost anything but time.
Bill

DO IT
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« Reply #728 on: January 06, 2008, 02:45:01 AM »
@ Bill

That looks like a great idea to try.  I look forward to hearing the results.

While waiting on my magnesium and carbon rod, I tried several experiments today.

I tried using a carpenters pencil, sharpened at both ends as one electrode, and a zinc nail for my other electrode.  The reading was 750 mv.  No ma.  Zero!

I then tried a mini Stubblefield type coil that I wound.  I saw 1.2 volts on the primary, which was five layers of thirty wraps each, bifilar 20 awg magnet and uninsulated steel wire, around three zinc nails.  Secondary was of 20 awg magnet wire.  I am thinking now I should maybe overwrap that with more steel wire.

It only registered voltage, as it went under ground.  But, still, NO ma.   ::)  And that was sad.

So, I think there is something to the bifilar copper and steel, but still missing amperage.  I hope that the carbon 1/2" rod and magnesium blocks will provide better.


2008 Cheers,



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« Reply #729 on: January 06, 2008, 03:53:35 AM »
@ Bruce:

That's very interesting.  Were you alinged on a global orientation? Or just picked a few spots?  I would have thought you would have seen at least some registration of mA.  But, interesting that you achieved a pretty good volt reading with the primary.  So, in the really terrible sketch of my latest crazy idea, where would you connect the wires from the windings?  I guess, all bets are off here anyway so maybe a few guesses and several different configurations are in order.  The way I see it, I will have two zinc rods wrapped and I can either join them at one end by jumping over to the next rod, or, keep them isolated.  If isolated, I will then have 4 wire ends to do what with?  I can make it like series and just continue on down the second zinc spike while winding but then, I will have 2 wire ends.  Do I tie them together?  Do I "ground" one to a magnisium end block?  Should I tie them together (like in the picture) and use them for the connection lead?  I guess this is what experiments are for.  Any advice you might have would be appreciated.  Thanks.  P.S.  Where is a good source for copper wire?  the home stores around here don't carry it unless I buy romex and strip the ground wire out of it.  Or, should I use steel wire?  I know, too many questions and not enough answers.  Thanks.

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Re: Earth battery expermients
« Reply #730 on: January 06, 2008, 04:11:12 AM »
@ Bill

That looks like a great idea to try.  I look forward to hearing the results.

While waiting on my magnesium and carbon rod, I tried several experiments today.

I tried using a carpenters pencil, sharpened at both ends as one electrode, and a zinc nail for my other electrode.  The reading was 750 mv.  No ma.  Zero!

Bruce

Did you try wetting the ground around the metals?  I believe water might be responsible for the current, while the soil acts as a capacitor.  In the pics you posted, the soil seems very dry, while Bill's soil seems moist.

Bill, you can also try to power alarm clocks or digital clocks, as they take small current.  Ive managed to power a small digital alarm clock by 4 of my plate cells in series.  The clock I'm using uses two AA's in series (3volts).

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« Reply #731 on: January 06, 2008, 04:28:32 AM »
@ Bill
I was setup polar North and South.  When you checked your amperage, did you simply connect the leads to your voltmeter and turn to ma's? 

I was disappointed that all I got were zero's.  I spent a number of hours working on this.  I will try again tomorrow.

How deep are your electrodes in the ground?

@ Freezer
My ground was moist already.  And I posted no pictures today.  Nothing worth taking a picture of.  ;)


I need some amperage.  I will try a new spot tomorrow.

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« Reply #732 on: January 06, 2008, 04:36:13 AM »
@ Freezer
My ground was moist already.  And I posted no pictures today.  Nothing worth taking a picture of.  ;)
Bruce

Ah, I was thinking of mramos's pics, sry.  The dirt in his pictures seem bone dry.  Maybe its soil content?

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« Reply #733 on: January 06, 2008, 05:00:08 AM »
@ Freezer:

Yes, my soil is moist now, been raining for a few days prior, but, I get much better results in dry soil.  I have read that others do the same.  A lot of variables here though.  Excellent job that you can run an alarm clock!  2 aa bats are 3 volts like you said and a bunch of mAs.

@ Bruce:

My now cut in half carbon rod(s) are 8.5 " long and are in the soil 8.2" each. The mag. blocks being only 3" long to begin with are in the soil all but the last 1/4" or so.  Yes, I used the dvm first checking volts dc, then ac, then mA.  I have also checked several set-ups with an analog meter but no longer do that as they match on every test.  One thing about water, I have notice when I move around my electrodes or burry some new device is that, after it rains, and dries out a bit, the results get better and better.  I believe this to be the result of the rain washing the dirt into place around the new device and compacting it a little and maybe, making a better connection, for lack of a better word.  So, I don't think it would hurt anything to dump a bit of water around any new installation to help it settle and become part of the earth.  I cannot prove this but I think it is true.  Possibly, charging the earth cell accomplishes a similar effect?  All I know is that I would have a heck of a time attempting to remove my electrodes now after our rain here over the past few weeks and the drying period after. I would have to dig them up as opposed to just pulling them up.  When I first started using Joe's method, smal screw and copper pipe, I did not get any mA either.  When my carbon rod showed up, that changed.  then, magnesium...etc.  If we start using coils, I believe we will see everything go up.  don't forget, if you look back at the Stubblefield patents and photos posted a long time ago, his "cells" were pretty large and contained massive amounts of metal windings.

Bill

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« Reply #734 on: January 06, 2008, 05:05:49 AM »
Hi Group
This is today's report
After stripping and sanding the copper off my 4 carbon rods I stuck them as a group pushed together (impatience) into the N end of my EBatt spot. I used the Mg fire brick at the S neg.
(BTW the clips kept falling off and I was keeping the leads off the wet ground so I couldn't juggle changing the meter all the time to read vac.)
This gave me
Mg-  4 C rods+                 =1.67Vdc       
Mg-   C filter granules in a cement pot +   1.76vdc  **

then I tried some knowns for controls and they were a little low
Mg-   Cu pipe+                 =0.6vdc
Mg-   Graphite pencil+    =1.53vdc

** this is 0.12vdc higher than the other way I had done it with the granules in a paper tube in the ground. That was 1.55vdc  - I may be seeing the cement getting charged. (The very first reading using cement pots was zero, then there was a little. )

Then I soldered one of the Carbon rods to a copper wire well tinned.
Mg-   C rod+    1.43v

Then I soldered 3 more and made a soldered group of 4 carbon rods
Mg-   4Crods soldered+   = 1.56vdc and 2.4vac  hmm that is a lot of volts ac is it not?


I had my LED in my teeth ready to slip into line but there was no point. I was dissapointed.
After I disassembled everything I realized the Mg was attached at a copper wire which I never trusted and I should have had it clipped to the block itself. So, there is a little more hope for improved scores yet. In fact the controls were pretty low.

jeanna