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Author Topic: Nathan Stubblefield Earth battery/Self Generating Induction Coil Replications  (Read 1704209 times)

Pirate88179

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Re: Earth battery expermients
« Reply #555 on: December 29, 2007, 09:22:56 PM »
@ Jeanna and Bruce:

So, would you hold the plastic pipe (great idea Jeanna) to the positive electrode while rubbing?  Or, would you build up a charge of several thousand volts and then dump it into the positive electorde as a pulse? I watched a physics seminar on the web and the guy from MIT said that if a spark can jump 1/2 inch it is at least in the several 10's of thousands of volts range. (20,000, 40,000)  Ouch.

Bill

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Re: Earth battery expermients
« Reply #556 on: December 29, 2007, 10:17:17 PM »
@ Jeanna and Bruce:

So, would you hold the plastic pipe (great idea Jeanna) to the positive electrode while rubbing?  Or, would you build up a charge of several thousand volts and then dump it into the positive electorde as a pulse? I watched a physics seminar on the web and the guy from MIT said that if a spark can jump 1/2 inch it is at least in the several 10's of thousands of volts range. (20,000, 40,000)  Ouch.

Bill

No, you pulse it. I guess that is the right term.  The main thing is not to go in the opposit way or touch the opposite electrode. (which is easy at a distance of 3 1/2 feet.)  The polarity will change if you go the opposite way, I think. 
jeanna

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Re: Earth battery expermients
« Reply #557 on: December 29, 2007, 10:28:34 PM »
Well folks,
Todays experiment looks like a bust. Let me explain.

I put cement pots - think flower pots without the little hole- in the ground. I filled these with dirt and added one electrode each. I put these into the ground between the cu pipe and zn rod that have been in the N-S orientation for some days.

There is no voltage anywhere. not between the pots and not between ground electrodes and pots.

I expected something because of the basil plants in separate pots (?) and the person in Texas (?) who used sand in a pot off the ground connected to the in-ground electrode.

This was nuthun. just like putting 2 sets of cells in series, but it was 1 cell.

There is information in this. I don't yet know what!

jeanna

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Re: Earth battery expermients
« Reply #558 on: December 29, 2007, 11:35:55 PM »
There is information in this. I don't yet know what!
jeanna

there is a patent of a multi cell battery having common electrolyte.  Maybe information is there?
us patent 4626481

George

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« Reply #559 on: December 30, 2007, 01:55:39 AM »
@ George:

"What is claimed is:

1. A common electrolyte manifold battery, said battery including at least one module having a plurality of cells, at least one common electrolyte manifold traversing said cells for transporting an electrolyte, an anode and a cathode, said one cell comprising
an anode plate having an end proximal to said manifold and an end distal to said manifold, said distal end being connected to said anode;

a cathode plate, positioned parallel with said anode plate, having an end proximal to said manifold and an end distal to said manifold, said distal end being connected to said cathode; and

a layer of insulator enveloping each of said proximal end of said anode plate and said cathode plate, said insulator layers being contiguous with said common electrolyte manifold, whereby

short circuiting of said one cell is minimized."


The above is quoted from the patent you listed.  If I read this right it says the anode and cathode are connected in parallel.  I don't see how this would generate any more than 1.5 vdc.  They mention, very interestingly I think, sea batteries which have been discussed or mentioned here a few times.  Maybe someone who knows more than I can look at the patent and see if there is anything we can use from it.  Thanks for finding it George.

Bill

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Re: Earth battery expermients
« Reply #560 on: December 30, 2007, 02:45:10 AM »
Hi Bill,

Thanks for intro'ing me to this blog topic.  I'll have to peruse through the other topics for techs of interest later.  What is the best proof of concept Earth battery (and other adv energy techs) discussed in the overunity forums for show-n-tell at the event on June 28-29, mentioned online at www.green-salon.com?  Once the public knows they're real, it will be easier to secure funding for open source projects.

Thanks, Todd

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Re: Earth battery expermients
« Reply #561 on: December 30, 2007, 03:04:43 AM »
Ummm I dont trust people in general .. Thats like making a list of thinks to snuff....  Unless anyone else here really thinks we need funding i say stay the hell clear of this convention thing... Let me make this clear again ... any developments in this thread are open source and will be defended as open source .. i have a large Italian family.  This topic is not for personal gain or profit, and whatever may come from it will be credited to every member who has contributed .. I say thats the easiest way to put it...

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« Reply #562 on: December 30, 2007, 03:11:45 AM »
Ummm I dont trust people in general .. Thats like making a list of thinks to snuff....  Unless anyone else here really thinks we need funding i say stay the hell clear of this convention thing... Let me make this clear again ... any developments in this thread are open source and will be defended as open source .. i have a large Italian family.  This topic is not for personal gain or profit, and whatever may come from it will be credited to every member who has contributed .. I say thats the easiest way to put it...

New Energy Congress posts articles on advanced in alternative energy techs.  That's a good way to get the word out.  Posting all over the freakin Internet if you don't trust anyone works, and will allow our network to independently validate new open source techs via this forum and other web sites.  www.green-salon.com is just a web site...those interested in snuffing out adv energy techs already know what tects are out there and where they're being developed.  My little web site doesn't resolve that issue.

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Re: Earth battery expermients
« Reply #563 on: December 30, 2007, 03:19:11 AM »
Hi again,
So it rained for the rest of the day and I had an idea to put my brand new biggo supercap in parallel with the now-soldered 2 caps in series and LED that has no resistor.

I then charged it with 2 AAA batteries which were giving me a reading of 2.83V. I charged it for 20 seconds then pulled the battery leads away and counted. It went on for 2 full minutes as a good light then continued...

Now, I know one of the things about the LED is that if there is less juice it will use less and so use up what is there slower, so time is not the best gauge when it is running out - but it is impressive to get out 3 times the output in terms of time to charge and discharge.
.( but it is better than zippo outside with the cement pots! ;D)

I made a little avi file to show. It is 10 seconds charging and 20 discharging.
 wana see it?
Its boring and hard to see but it does  show proof. I may try to make another movie that is longer. I see I have room for 12 mb max.

jeanna

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Re: Earth battery expermients
« Reply #564 on: December 30, 2007, 03:21:26 AM »
Ummm I dont trust people in general .. Thats like making a list of thinks to snuff....  Unless anyone else here really thinks we need funding i say stay the hell clear of this convention thing... Let me make this clear again ... any developments in this thread are open source and will be defended as open source .. i have a large Italian family.  This topic is not for personal gain or profit, and whatever may come from it will be credited to every member who has contributed .. I say thats the easiest way to put it...

I completely AGREE with you, Joe well, I do trust people in general. It is just this topic absolutely must be open source.

Jeanna

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Re: Earth battery expermients
« Reply #565 on: December 30, 2007, 03:24:18 AM »
If you and your group would sign a disclaimer that stated in no way you could take these technologies and patent them for yourself  i would think about it , you just have to be careful now days.  I say let hans and bill evaluate your integrity if your good enough for them i'll trust you... But i am serious about the large Italian family. I dont like scammers and feel it a personal mission after getting ripped off a few christmas's back for 2 grand to hunt down scammers... so if your legit cool.  Otherwise i might have a striation-less projectile with your name on it..  ;D

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Re: Earth battery expermients
« Reply #566 on: December 30, 2007, 03:29:59 AM »
Jenna
 If you have a chance completely discharge the caps and hook them to your earth battery even if its just copper and zinc  make sure not and i repeat not to insulate these and see what readings you get  after that try what bill has done with the resistor and the led and see what kind of lasting time you get from it ... As well his led may be a 1.5 v one and yours may be a higher rating could be why your not getting light try a diff led maybe.  Good work
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« Reply #567 on: December 30, 2007, 03:52:10 AM »
We have no intention of patenting anything ourselves but inventors usually put that check in the box with their own patents...don't think open source techs can be patented once the info is posted online, though Tom Valone at IRI is the expert in the patent field since he's been working at the USPTO and fighting with them in court for years until recently when he won his case, so you could ask him about that.  Anyway, Nora and I are more than happy to affirm and sign documentation stating that we'll keep open source techs and even potential open source techs out there for all to reproduce at will, since that's what we do with the techs we're funding out of our own pockets for inventors who are willing to open source their projects.  It's a small world this adv alternative energy field, so it won't take long for anyone with a phone and email account to determine our intent by making a few phone calls...just talk to people we interact with on a regular basis.  A lot of them are with the New Energy Congres and New Energy Movement.  Many more are listed online at www.green-salon.com.  It's better for researchers to work directly with other researchers than with us, as we can only help network technologies with prospective sources of funding, and it's hard to fund open source projects via investors since they can't lock in projected profits.  We can help by providing public awareness to new technologies so open source R&D can garner additional support from the public.  The only event coming up where inventors can present techs to our network directly is on June 28-29, mentioned online at www.green-salon.com, and we mention there no RSVP is required so anyone can bring anything they want, and even scope out the place to determine whether it's for them or not.  The idea for a tax credit for independent R&D is a good one, and some form of credit for alternative energy R&D may already be available...not sure about that one.

We're involved with DoD because we all have allies within DoD now - www.energyconversation.org is the web site that posts the dates for upcoming events where anyone can show up and meet with those working in DoD.  See also www.fromthewilderness.com/free/ww3/040306_discussing_energy.shtml for info on one of the first meetings.  It's held at 300 Army Navy Drive at the Doubletree Hotel on Mondays around 6 p.m. - 9 p.m.  Speakers vary widely from one month to the next.  Even Nora's dad is talking at an upcoming event at Mitzi Wertheim's house in D.C.  She's mentioned in the fromthewilderness article somewhere, and helped start the Energy Conversation meetings and the Energy Consensus Group nonprofit.  Her house is where Nora and I met over a year ago. 

The pendulum is swinging in our favor in D.C...finally.  There are too many of us to control, and now we're infiltrating gov't circles in order to gain support for adv energy tech R&D.  It's impossible for the U.S. gov't to control open source techs since this is an international initiative, and the more we collaborate, the quicker the adv energy techs will be made available via open source.  We are no longer the minority as far as we're concerned. 

FYI - I added this www.overunity.com blog in the "Discussion Groups" section a few minutes ago to help get the word out. 

Todd & Nora
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Re: Earth battery expermients
« Reply #568 on: December 30, 2007, 03:55:24 AM »
Jenna
 If you have a chance completely discharge the caps and hook them to your earth battery even if its just copper and zinc  make sure not and i repeat not to insulate these and see what readings you get  after that try what bill has done with the resistor and the led and see what kind of lasting time you get from it ... As well his led may be a 1.5 v one and yours may be a higher rating could be why your not getting light try a diff led maybe.  Good work
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Where are you getting these LEDs that work with so little voltage?

Thing is, my cu-zn isn't giving me that much voltage. It is giving me 1,003v. This nice cap set up shows both side of the parallel caps to say 1.18v so that is where the light stops glowing. I am using green. Maybe I should try red, but I think I remember that green is the one that needs the least for start up. see the start up of a green led otta be 1.65v but with these caps whipping the charge back n forth the light is staying on. well, that is my explanation anyway. I will look up to see if I can find some kind of LED that uses less than 1.65v.

I was outside yesterday with carbon - mag under the tree and the meter said 1.65v. Maybe it wasn't well connected  or maybe the leads touched the ground or something. cuz I got no light no charge. but it is the reason I soldered the leads of the light to the double cap. I will do it again  I need to try it with this parallel addition too.

jeanna

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Re: Earth battery expermients
« Reply #569 on: December 30, 2007, 03:57:56 AM »
@ todd

Thanks we'll be in contact if were interested otherwise.. you could on a sunny weekend grab a few peices of metal trot out to the yard and tell us your results.. thanks for the input and make sure to read the whole thread if your going to advertise or replicate  ;D
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