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Author Topic: Nathan Stubblefield Earth battery/Self Generating Induction Coil Replications  (Read 1704100 times)

Pirate88179

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Re: Earth battery expermients
« Reply #405 on: December 23, 2007, 09:31:19 PM »
@ All:

Below is copied and pasted from something I just read about a use for some of the new supercapacitors:


"The new Coleman Flash Cell screwdriver can recharge in 90 seconds flat and it doesn?t use a single battery to do it. How can that be? Rather than rely on rechargeable batteries that can take up to an hour and a half to charge up, the Coleman design relies and a high energy capacitor. Unfortunately, while it can recharge lickety split, users will be charging their screwdriver more often than it?s lithium or NiCad cousins. A basic rechargeable battery powered screwdriver can handle around 35-40 screws between recharge cycles, while the FlashCell gives out after a little over half that (22).


Now while having recharge the capacitor so often may sound like a royal pain, the advantage the FlashCell has is that the capacitor doesn?t have to deal with dying over time (it has a rated charging life of about 500,000 charging cycles) or dealing with memory issues due to inactivity. After remaining idle for months, the maker of the Flash Cell - Products International ? claims that the FlashCell will retain about 85% of its charge. That?s pretty impressive.

What?s cool about it is that while this is a new technology, since tools like this stay idle for a long time with the average household user. And while the power needs of other tools probably render this concept impractical, it could be the next step in focusing on more green technologies that can do the job and keep the environment healthier.

Cost is about $99."


I am pretty sure my little cap. is a super cap.  I have looked them up and found several that appear identical to mine.  I read that one of the suggested uses for the supercapacitor is to light leds over a long period of time. So, somehow these must not "dump" 66% of their charge at once.  This is possibly why they are being used in small hand tools now.  No memory problems like batteries and over 1/2 million charge/recharge cycles. I am going to see if my Local RadioShack has some.

@ Jeanna:

Best of luck with your experiments out there.  My impression is that you won't get any where near the volts you would get using carbon and magnesium, but, we will see.  Best I did here with copper was something like .8 volts or so.  Going for three volts eh?  I hope I beat you there but, I am not taking any bets on it ha ha.  I am wasting a lot of time trying to figure out what to do next while I should just be doing it.  I am going to try to crack the 2 volt reading as my next goal.  If you hit 3, I guess I'll have to re-think my approach.  Best of luck.

Merry Christmas to all who celebrate it and to all of the others I wish whatever is appropriate for this time of year in your country.

Bill



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Re: Earth battery expermients
« Reply #406 on: December 23, 2007, 10:06:49 PM »
Hello to all,
Just found this group last night. Finally got registered just after trying out a rod of carbon encased in very thin copper, it's what is used to arc-gouge (sp) with a welding machine. The other rod was a plain steel piece. They were placed about 16 inches apart, short leads on my meter, I was instantly amazed by the fact that I got .96 VDC @ .995  amps. This is so far out, I can just see it now, my back yard will look like a porcupine!

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Re: Earth battery expermients
« Reply #407 on: December 23, 2007, 11:10:07 PM »
Hi sid10,
welcome,
how did you measure exactly the amps ?
Is this a short circuit current with your DVM meter ?
Or analog amp meter ?
On what max settings of your meter did you measure it ?
Does it change on another settings of your meter,
e.g. 2 amps setting or 10 amps setting ?


Current level seems abit high for such a setup...

Do you live near a transformer station or a High voltage line ?

Please try on a real load like a 1 Ohm, 10 Ohm and 100 Ohm resistor.
Many thanks.

Regards, Stefan.

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Re: Earth battery expermients
« Reply #408 on: December 24, 2007, 02:24:03 AM »
Hello to all,
Just found this group last night. Finally got registered just after trying out a rod of carbon encased in very thin copper, it's what is used to arc-gouge (sp) with a welding machine. The other rod was a plain steel piece. They were placed about 16 inches apart, short leads on my meter, I was instantly amazed by the fact that I got .96 VDC @ .995  amps. This is so far out, I can just see it now, my back yard will look like a porcupine!

Welcome Sid10,

This carbon rod encased on copper sounds interesting to me. As you have probably read, Pirate88179 (Bill) has achieved excellent results using carbon and Magnesium. I asked the welding "teacher" last evening for some of either and he told me he has no access. He teaches in a high school which is where I found him teaching adults to weld. Does this rod have a particular name? Are you in the US?

So, did you try your test with different N-S compass directions to find the best one? (I suspect these will vary according to our location.) Its good to include that in your tests so we are all doing the same sort of thing all around the globe.

At the moment we are trying to add to the effect we are getting from one cell. I had the very surprising result that the voltage went to zero when I tried to put them in series.

Joe made an excellent suggestion which Bill is planning to try. I am too. It rained all day so I did other things. FYI on my list is to use 3 copper tubes and wire them together then tie them to 3 zinc rods that are also wired together and measure the voltage. (That is Joe's suggestion) Also, and using the same pipes and rods I will link up 3 cells of zinc inside copper pipe with dirt also inside the pipe and red paint   (?)  on the outside of the copper pipe plastic underneath and all wired together in series.  (I am not sure who gets the credit for this one, but if it works, I will try to find that person to give credit.)

But I don't want to mess up my meter in the rain so I will do it next non raining day.

Did you set up a control for your test? just do the same thing in the house on a table. and also in water. Thus you have a control for  just the metals not touching and a regular wet cell. water or acid or what you think.

welcome to the fun.

jeanna

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Re: Earth battery expermients
« Reply #409 on: December 24, 2007, 02:25:22 AM »
I guess you must have measured milliamps by mistake... unless copper/carbon is something we did not try yet.  Did anyone else test copper coated carbon rods?

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Re: Earth battery expermients
« Reply #410 on: December 24, 2007, 03:09:44 AM »
 
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next while I should just be doing it.  I am going to try to crack the 2 volt reading as my next goal.  If you hit 3, I guess I'll have to re-think my approach.  Best of luck.

Right, Bill

I just want to make sure (?) that this series type thing is nothing but galvanic before I give up on it. The 10 pager from Don Adsitt's site claims 12v multiplied to 120v, but at the bottom of the page is written, I assume by Don, that he tried it and it doesn't work. Not much info and it is easy. I can try to get 3 cells to give me 3 v. easy.

I am very impressed with the magnesium carbon results. I bought the last fire brick the hardware store had and these pencils prove the point but are so breakable, I see these as the best combo, but for the series concept the copper zinc will show it. And  it will be easy to check the copper for changes.

So, If you put a bunch of glass christmas balls in the shape of a tree and shine a single red led at them will you get a lit up tree? Maybe it needs to have needles ;D


also, I am wondering why the wire between the 2 horseshoe magnets had to be uninsulated?

jeanna




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Re: Earth battery expermients
« Reply #411 on: December 24, 2007, 03:49:40 AM »
This carbon rod encased on copper sounds interesting to me. Does this rod have a particular name? Are you in the US?
jeanna

Hi Jeanna,

It is called Air Carbon-Gouging Electrode You can find it at www.mcmaster.com search for 'gouging'.  It is on page 3267 of their catalog.  They sell them copper coated or plain.
George


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« Reply #412 on: December 24, 2007, 03:50:54 AM »
Hello all:

Well today, I actually did a little more experimenting.  (cold)  I wired my tree array,(I have pictures of it posted somewhere way back) which is -, to the neg. side of the meter and also used a jumper to the neg. side of the meter (probe) from the magnesium block which is also -.  The + probe of the meter went to the carbon rod.  1.6 vdc.  Disconnecting the magnesium block from the mix it went down to 1.25 which is common for the tree array.  Hooking the magnesium block back up and testing just between it and the carbon rod it was back up to 1.8 vdc which is what I have been getting lately.  So, adding the tree array into the mix on the - side raised the volts from it but lowered the volts from the carbon rod/mag. block setup.

I am still not giving up on the series stuff just yet.  Hans's idea with the coal is great.  But, although Kentucky produces a lot of the coal for the US would you believe no one around here even sells it?????   I have made many inquiries with no luck as of yet.  I am sure I can find some somewhere.  The test to do, from my point of view, would be three blocks of coal drilled and wire implanted into it wired together and buried in the ground.  Three magnesium blocks wired together and also buried separately in the ground.  Then test for potential between the cells as suggested by Joe.  I think this is promissing.

Welcome to Sid10.  I also think you were possibly reading off the milliamp scale so it would be good to double check that.  If not, this would be a huge leap ahead and we, I am sure, would be very interested in your experiments.  As Jeanna said, welcome to the fun.

Bill
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Re: Earth battery expermients
« Reply #413 on: December 24, 2007, 07:22:16 AM »
@ all ... small bit of good news,
            I spoke with emdevices from the micro tpu forum and explained to him what our readings were about a week or less ago and he confirms that the potential we have as long as we dump it into a parallel cap bank should be enough to start oscillations in the micro tpu without stepping it up first.

So concept for usable power here is that we fill say 5 to 10  5v large farad number caps... 36000 mfd or higher and connect their terminals in parallel with the electrodes off the other end of the cap bank we would feed this micro tpu-  the output of this device should be enough to light a few led's while charging a battery... some of the folks in that fourm have led's running off of one cap and this device for over 2 hrs on a single charge to the cap...

We have a indefinite supply as opposed to this single charge so i see this as being the next goal .. im getting a new soldering iorn with a base and temp control for Christmas ...  Then these small soldering projects wont be such a nightmare...

I had my  radio shack tip break in half off of the iron while i was barely pushing on some pcb .. i spilled my soda when my arm smaked the table and at that point i broke the iron in  half at the plastic joint and threw it.... freakin rs crap. :o

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« Reply #414 on: December 24, 2007, 07:55:28 AM »
G'day all,

I have not been sitting idle in spite of some difficult circumstances. I am still working on the Roy Meyer device. There are a number of strange aspects to it. I have almost finished another one of my "stunning graphics"  ;D to show what I mean. I should be able to post this within a day or two.

Merry Christmas to you all, Muslims, Hindus, Jews and Christians alike even to you Atheists. There is nothing wrong with wishing others well no matter what religion they believe in, so I will NOT do the politically correct thing and qualify it.

I wish you all well, and hope there will be peace on this f*cking globe one of these days.

Hans von Lieven

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« Reply #415 on: December 24, 2007, 08:25:35 AM »
the potential we have as long as we dump it into a parallel cap bank should be enough to start oscillations in the micro tpu without stepping it up first.

So concept for usable power here is that we fill say 5 to 10  5v large farad number caps... 36000 mfd or higher and connect their terminals in parallel with the electrodes off the other end of the cap bank we would feed this micro tpu-  the output of this device should be enough to light a few led's while charging a battery... some of the folks in that fourm have led's running off of one cap and this device for over 2 hrs on a single charge to the cap...

We have a indefinite supply as opposed to this single charge so i see this as being the next goal

Hey Joe,
good work on the other thread. Whats a tpu? I didn't get too far on google, I will look some more but...

Would you be willing to draw this nice parallel circuit that gives oscillation? Are you talking astable multivibrator here? or a coil? I need to be studying  oscillators. some help would be great.

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But, although Kentucky produces a lot of the coal for the US would you believe no one around here even sells it?????

Darn!!! I was hoping you would be able to tell me.

Well I'm gonna buy a carbon gouging stick. I'll try that.--Thanks George

So, earlier I was walking around with my meter and I tried this pebble thing I made. It gave me a wild reading up and down I could barely read it. I was reading just voltage. From 0.12v to 0.001 volts and up and down. It was crazy.

  A few minutes ago I was at a thread nobody seems to be looking at anymore about John Hutchison effect. There was some talk about his picking up dirt and hinting that he starts there.

Now, backing up some more, last summer I started to learn about sodium silicate and how this french man named Prof. Davidovits first dissolved  clay in NaCo3 and water then added crushed limestone and made limestone which hardened at normal temperatures and was indistinguishable from mined limestone. His research continued the work of Kuhlmann another frenchman from 1866 who coined the term "silicatize".

To silicatize something - kuhlmann started with a ball of clay- he painted it with sodium silicate (water glass).

I wasn't getting very far in my replication of making limestone when I read this so I painted some of my too crumbly not really limestone with this sodium silicate.  It dried shiny and hard. Kuhlmann added several coats. I only added 2.  It didn't seem to have much to do with earth batteries until today.

Hutchison I guess treats his rocks with high voltage as they are solidifying and they retain some charge.

I know this isn't really on our subject and I won't continue, but I thought you guys might be wanting this information so there it was.

jeanna

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« Reply #416 on: December 24, 2007, 10:29:19 AM »
@ georgemay:

I used to buy from Mcmaster-Carr all the time.  I never thought of looking there for our materials.  Thank you for directing us to them.

@ Jeanna:

I have always said that Hutch is either a genius or an idiot and I have always leaned toward genius.  Interesting that he says in his videos that he has to "juice" the mix to get it going.  This sounds familiar.  Priming the pump again like some have done with their earth batteries.  I have not tried that yet...it is on my list.

@Localjoe:

I finally used two magnifying glasses and read the label on my cap.  0.22F and 5 volt.  .22 F is still large so I still think this is a supercap or ultra cap. (you have seen the small size of it) I would like to buy like 5 of these and wire them as you suggested.  I have not yet tried to see how long it will burn my led but I suspect it will be longer than 2 hours, and, with no added circuitry.  I will time it.
I mean, this thing has not been hooked to my outside cell for weeks and, when I connect the + wire to complete the circuit....still very bright.  I know this just means it holds it well but I will time the constant running of one led to see.

Bill

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« Reply #417 on: December 24, 2007, 08:34:49 PM »
jenna where did you get the water glass? i want that for my sand batteries! (hutchison batteries)

im working on making a tesla coil now (not sure if i said this) i will be able to post some neat experiments in a few days. my verison of the tesla is the main conducting coil grounded to a single pole earth cell and the secondary (charging) coil hopefully will produce large currents. 

also on my list is to add a regular cell to charge the tesla and see how this effects things :D

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« Reply #418 on: December 24, 2007, 08:42:23 PM »
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« Reply #419 on: December 24, 2007, 10:23:47 PM »
Led/capacitor test results:

2:18 p.m.  I connected the led to the small cap. after charging the cap. on the cell outside for about 20 minutes.  I let it burn on my bookshelf inside to see how long it will stay illuminated.

3:20 p.m.  Led is still lit but growing very faint as I type this. I can still see it in the dark.  It was what I would call bright for well over 45 minutes.  This was just with my one cap. (5v .22f)  I wonder what would happen with 5 connected together as Joe suggested?

Tomorrow, I might give a few ideas of mine a go outside on the cell.  If anything interesting happens I will post a video.

Bill