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Author Topic: Nathan Stubblefield Earth battery/Self Generating Induction Coil Replications  (Read 1716775 times)

sarah2009

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Re: Nathan Stubblefield Earth battery/Self Generating Induction Coil Replications
« Reply #3720 on: September 28, 2010, 08:37:32 PM »
Hi everybody

I’d like to offer some speculations on Stubblefields bifilar coil.

I see the Stubblefield coil as a oscillator. I believe that the galvanic battery that it forms, is what kickstarts the oscillator into operation.

Consider 2 Tesla pancake coils that are placed on top of each other. They would surely interfere with each others operation. This could be overcome by placing insulation between the pancake coils.

 I would speculate that the insulation between the layers in the stubblefield coil be at least the same thickness of the wire that you are using. The 2 wires that are being used must be up tight against each other, but the layers must be further apart so that the magnetic fields of the one layer do not interfere with the next layer.

Just a thought
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Re: Nathan Stubblefield Earth battery/Self Generating Induction Coil Replications
« Reply #3721 on: September 28, 2010, 08:54:56 PM »
Sarah:

Welcome.  Those are some good thoughts.  I agree.

Bill

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Re: Nathan Stubblefield Earth battery/Self Generating Induction Coil Replications
« Reply #3722 on: September 28, 2010, 09:42:35 PM »
Sorry to move this post from the data logging thread but I guess no one is looking there.
You will all have to step into the "way back" machine to remember this post from last November.

Quote from: electricme
on November 30, 2009, 07:53:05 PM]
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OK ALL,
Yesterday I posted I would do a experiment, the idea is to show which electrodes interact the best picking up earth currents, and the results are surprising.
I used a COPPER as the North and positave electrode.
Aluminium, Copper, Steel and Magnesium coated rod.

Copper Positave and Aluminium produced the best results
                                        AT REST   MOVEMENT   ANALOG
POSITIVE        TEST METAL   V DMM     V DMM         OBSERVATIONS
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COPPER           MAGNESIUM = 36.0mv     71.0mv        needle slight movement
 
COPPER           STEEL         = -2.9mv     40.0mv        needle not moveing

COPPER           COPPER       = -20mv      -10mv          needle not moveing

COPPER           ALUMININUM = 80mv       198mv          needle swinging wildly back and forth
                                                                         
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Results =
1st Copper as Positave, Alumininun as Negative  produces best results
2nd Copper as Positave, Mag as negative
coper and coper, copper and steel  = zilch
My test photo below showing the setup

Tiny Videos following below this post
jim
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Question:
Were all the pieces of metal used in this experiment the same size?
I'm referring to surface area and not just length.

I've never seen where copper and aluminum produced the best effect.
So if one of the pieces of metal was larger (more surface area) than the other, then that might be an important fact that we could try to exploit.

DonL

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Re: Nathan Stubblefield Earth battery/Self Generating Induction Coil Replications
« Reply #3723 on: September 28, 2010, 09:50:51 PM »
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but the layers must be further apart so that the magnetic fields of the one layer do not interfere with the next layer.
With the overall magnetic intensity of the coil it would take a lot more spacing than that using cotton. The adjacent iron wire would also have a higher magnetic field than the current carrying copper wire. You would need a cotton cord in between the copper and iron wires also if you were trying to do that. The cotton cord may not be a bad experimental idea in between the iron and copper. Might give more charge area.

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Re: Nathan Stubblefield Earth battery/Self Generating Induction Coil Replications
« Reply #3724 on: September 28, 2010, 09:55:18 PM »
Hi everybody

To show that its possibly the bifilar arrangement that makes the Stubblefield coil special,
and not so much the galvanic battery, consider this article from the JL Naudin website

http://home.comcast.net/~onichelson/VOLTGN.pdf

Kind regards

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Re: Nathan Stubblefield Earth battery/Self Generating Induction Coil Replications
« Reply #3725 on: September 29, 2010, 12:39:43 AM »
Hi Sarah2009,
Welcome!

This is interesting what you say about the layer between layers.
Lasersaber used tee shirt material and I used a thin cotton cloth. His is thicker than mine.
I do not know what lidmotor used for the layer of cotton, but they both got theirs to work and I have not yet.
Mine is not as thick, but it is thick enough to get some magnet pulses going, and I am not at all sure that I do get any magnetic pulses.

I do not know what is wrong with mine.
I think it is a combination of the coil and the rotor, and it is so much work to get either to work, I have become discouraged.

Do you have a working stubblefield coil?

thank you,

jeanna

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Re: Nathan Stubblefield Earth battery/Self Generating Induction Coil Replications
« Reply #3726 on: September 29, 2010, 04:52:17 AM »
Hi everybody

To show that its possibly the bifilar arrangement that makes the Stubblefield coil special,
and not so much the galvanic battery, consider this article from the JL Naudin website

http://home.comcast.net/~onichelson/VOLTGN.pdf

Kind regards

further confirmation of bifilar.....Stubblefield's galvonic bifilar obviously an interesting twist isn't it? Interesting point on 2 tesla pancake coils in near vicinty btw... multi-layered Stubblefield coils, especially those reproductions which employ a 'there and back again' winding direction through multiple coil layers  do not compute with me. I would love for induction coil expert to set me straight on this one. My simple experiments indicate stronger magnetic field occurs with same direction winding philosophy. Or crudely put, better ability to pick up paperclips. Induction into a secondary also obviously better. There are optimization opportunities available. I guess I will start building again...

Regarding oscillation aspects...You are correct. There can be no other possibilities.

Your input very most welcome here. I look forward to hearing more :)



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Re: Nathan Stubblefield Earth battery/Self Generating Induction Coil Replications
« Reply #3727 on: September 29, 2010, 11:44:15 AM »
@all,

 ;D  ;D  ;D   It's time to celebrate a little Ha ha.  ;D  ;D  ;D

Today I continued to build my Stubblefield Coil Winding machine, The chain drive setup gave me a little bit of curry, but it wasnt long before I sorted that out.
The chain at times wanted to jog around a bit, it turned out I had to move the bottom sprocket along the drive shaft and it's ok now.
I connected a empty stubblefield coil former and hooked the motor to a battery, switched on and it worked.

1 single turn of copper wire = 42mm in length
It takes 14 seconds to make 1 RPM.
The SCWM put 206 turns of "bare" copper wire on the supporting bar
Wire size was 0.90mm or 0.025 inches

It took a long time and much concentration to use the machine, it was not a simple matter of holding the wire and hopeing for the best, I found if I lost concentration or was distracted, the copper wire would tend to travel back over the previous turn or a small gap would form between turns.

But the 99.9% of turns were very very tight and very close together.
The DC motor was cool to the touch after doing it's job.

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*Did it perform as I expected it to? YES, I can say it is a total success.*
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I will post a photo or two of it and also some tiny videos, if they will go through.
Remember,,,,, It is winding a SINGLE copper wire only, as this is a test to see if it would work.

Please enjoy my successfull Stubblefield Winding Machine.

jim

3189 = Beginning of the first ever try to wind a coil on the machine
3190 = Closeup of turns, boy oh boy, these turns are neet and tidy.
3193 = Arrived at the end of the right wooden disk, I had to cut a "small slot" in the top to acomodate the left over wire, so it would not unravel.


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Re: Nathan Stubblefield Earth battery/Self Generating Induction Coil Replications
« Reply #3728 on: September 29, 2010, 12:19:07 PM »
Here are more photo's of my Stubblefield Winding Machine.
These are of the motor, gearbox and chain drive, this had me held up for quite a while.

enjoy :)

jim


3200 = Back end of the 24 volt DC motor (I ran it on a 12v battery)
3201 = Motor is mounted to vertical frame and chain drive and sprockets are seen.
3202 = Closer view of the drive, sorry about the rusty plate, its all I had :)
3203 = First successful wind is done.

BTW, if anyone wants to make their own Stubblefield Winding Machine using my setup as an example, please do, you are welcome.


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Re: Nathan Stubblefield Earth battery/Self Generating Induction Coil Replications
« Reply #3729 on: September 29, 2010, 03:07:17 PM »
General @electricme

You are a good inventor!

Jesus

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Re: Nathan Stubblefield Earth battery/Self Generating Induction Coil Replications
« Reply #3730 on: September 29, 2010, 09:46:41 PM »
That is a nifty winder you have there Jim. I also liked your older posts on cotton insulating winder. That was very similar to what a local factory I use for rope style heating elements does. Only differences = they use more spindles of thread, they use variety of thread supply angles in relationship to target wire. Neat stuff and very inventive on your part...

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Re: Nathan Stubblefield Earth battery/Self Generating Induction Coil Replications
« Reply #3731 on: September 30, 2010, 01:17:15 AM »
@ jesus and mw383,

Thank you both for these kind remarks, I try my best.

I have already begun thinking of many improvements to this machine and will carry on with the MK2 CWM.

In the mean time here are the Tiny Videos I said I would post here, look for the paper clips below, dbl click on them to load and play them, they are about 8 - 10 seconds long.

Enjoy

jim

1st = The machine can accomodate Stubblefield coil formers from 7 inches to 24 inches
2nd = Checking the drive chain, motor, gearbox, chain drive and shaft rotation.
3rd = Starting for the first time, it works.

electricme

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Re: Nathan Stubblefield Earth battery/Self Generating Induction Coil Replications
« Reply #3732 on: September 30, 2010, 01:35:47 AM »
@ all,
Continueing to test the Stubblefield Coil Winding Machine.

Please remember, this is using only a single strand of copper wire, it is not bifilar wire winding, that will be next.
All I am doing is getting used to how the machine works and to see if any faults come up, then rectify them as I go about using it, better to know beforehand using scrappy wire than using the good wire.

Already I have learn't it is not a simple process, my hands do ake holding the wire under tension, concentration is a big essential matter, I found if I loose concentration, as quick as a wink, the wire begins to form a gap or it travels over the top of the previous turns, so gotta be careful and on my toes all the time.

It takes a very long time to wind every layer, there is simply NO point in rushing this process, all turns must be neet and tidy, on of the essential keys to making the Stubblefield coil to work as Lasersaber has indicated in his remarkable youtube videos.

One improvement I want to incorporate is to attatch a alternator slip ring assembly at one of the shaft or bolt ends, to feed "any" energy out to a Volt meter or oscilliscope so I can see at a glance if a short has begun, I could instantly stop the wind and look at the short, or to monitor the turns number when electrical activity begins and watch its strength grow at every stage of the coils building.

That should be very exciting to do.   

jim

Here are another set of the last 3 tiny videos on this series.

4th = Winds begin for the first test.
5th = midway through the coil laying test
6th = Reached the end of the 1st layer test.

Hope you enjoyed this series, now you can make your own Stubblefield Coil Winding Machine.


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Re: Nathan Stubblefield Earth battery/Self Generating Induction Coil Replications
« Reply #3733 on: September 30, 2010, 06:51:46 PM »
Good afternoon!
Stubblefield coil can try to put in distilled water, what happens?
I spent the experience: put in distilled water, 100g rod zinc and copper rod - got 0.76v
placed in distilled water 100ml, zinc rod and the rod graphite (carbon) was 0.71v
But when the super capacitor is connected, the zinc and carbon steel is better to charge the super capacitor than zinc and copper.
Distilled water is very poorly reacts with metals and the battery can operate for long

I've long been following this topic
Thanks to all

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Re: Nathan Stubblefield Earth battery/Self Generating Induction Coil Replications
« Reply #3734 on: October 01, 2010, 04:33:14 PM »

...It uses a UGN3503u    3 pin IC (not a transistor) it's a radiometric linear Hall Effect sensor, Jaycar part number ZD-1902
Apparently, it has been discontinued and replaced with the A1301 and A1302
http://www.allegromicro.com/en/Products/Part_Numbers/1301/1301.pdf
Is this part plug compatible?