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Author Topic: Nathan Stubblefield Earth battery/Self Generating Induction Coil Replications  (Read 1154699 times)

Offline gaby de wilde

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Re: Earth battery expermients
« Reply #60 on: November 08, 2007, 06:41:17 PM »
@ Gaby:

Thanks very much for the link.  This never came up in any of my internet searches.
Google cant read text from images jet. But if you look at their patent search it's not far away :)
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I have not read all of it yet, but I will.  This goes with Stefan's premise that the more surface area you have, the more amps you can produce.
Yeah, up to some point I think the location matters the most. Or maybe it's better to call it the soil if it also works isolated.
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It is consistant with the patents we have read.  Thanks again.

I'm curious what kind of effect charging this battery would have. ^_^

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PS  Have you tried any of this yet?  If so, what were your findings?

BIll

ha-ha, I'm trying to avoid everything that doesn't relate to permanent magnet motors. Just that is already to much work for me alone. I already drew a gravity engine by accident. :-[ It's an awful design, it doesn't seem to want to get debunked. No it appears the invention wants to be build by me specifically. hehehe

You should make a website about the earth battery, having wikipeida as the NR 1 result is pathetic. We should be ashamed as a species. :D

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Earth_battery
Earth battery - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

It's not a bad wiki, it doesn't say "this innovation was debunked by a 12 year old skepticus who doesn't know anything about the topic" like wikipeida does about most free energy inovations (if it even allows them to have a page.) They merge stan meyer with the waterfullcell? O_O Maybe we can merge Bush with the patriot act? lolzz?? Maybe that's just a weird thing to do?  no?

But if you look at the talk page you can see the disinformation brigade spew everything they can make up. Ow how this article needs to be deleted? When listing facts everything needs a source but when debunking things we can just take random opinions and use that. ROFL

Don adsitt correctly says there is galvanic action going on. But some guy on the wiki talk page says he tested it and the galvanic reaction should produce a far smaller current as what he got.

Adsitt's link obviously appeared on the page a hundred times.

My gut says this is the ancient art we are talking about here.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geomancy
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I recognize this

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In recent times the term has been applied to a wide range of other occult, fringe, and pseudoscientific activities, including Bau-Biologie. This article deals with geomancy in its traditional meaning.

This is the handwriting of the disinformation brigade.

on the other page wikipedia says:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bau-Biologie
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is a science that investigates the indoor living environment for a variety of irritants. It is a comprehensive science that considers our living environment as an organism, and considers how its functioning can produce a restful or stressful environment. Far from being "fringe science", its experiential findings provide robust guidelines to use in building a healthy home, or healing one that is sick. 

The disinformation brigade clearly was not as interested in Bau as in the earth battery. Surely if it was a fringe science it wouldn't have a page in wikipedia. The page says "FAR FROM BEING FRINGE". Does it need to be more clear then that?

I think our agent bubbie found a great excuse in that to be able to delete a lot of information from the page. Lets have a look....

ah-ha

From the first contribution to the geomancer page.
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a kind of divination by means of figures or lines, formed by little dots or points, originally on the earth, and latterly on paper.

This was changed into:

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is a method of divination that interprets markings on the ground.

Now look what happened here:

"little dots or points" is less accurate as "markings" no question about this.

"in the ground and later on paper" has changed into just "ground". Which is less accurate.

Later the word ground is even replaced by dirt. That's probably more scientific right?

It's not a kind of divination that interpreters markings.

It is the means of divination.

It's like saying it's a kind of car mechanic that repairs cars.

they make the markings. They don't just interpret them.

A kind of car mechanic who looks at defective cars?? 

Now do you see how much lies got injected into that single line? I'm not that confused by this but I bet it's confusing enough for some. I'm at least confused enough not to be able to build an earth battery from the info..... lol

How do we get the numbers on the galvanic action? How many years would it take to show? What to compare it to?

Poking a hole in the ground reminds me of an old story about condoms being promoted in some native place. The next year they return and they see the condom over a pole exactly the way they had demonstrated it. Before  they pull it over the stick and put it in front of the hut.

The person demonstrating the earth battery probably took his rods with him?

All knowledge that remains is the poking of the holes? We know that part is probably correct, now guess what else did they do?

It reminds me of those wands the ancient egyptians hold. Those are said to be made of 2 different materials and to affect their user in some way.

Would Galvanic action be comfortable in your hands?

I cant imagine....


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Re: Earth battery expermients
« Reply #60 on: November 08, 2007, 06:41:17 PM »

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Re: Earth battery expermients
« Reply #61 on: November 08, 2007, 11:46:37 PM »
Well thats an interesting theory but were trying to keep on track with our current experiments so if you have any ideas on how that applies to the rod elrctrode testing phase were in please share your results and how geomancing increased your results vs what has been posted so far. And remember to take the measurements defined earlier in the thread if possible to share and compare.
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Aright I cant help myself with this one 8), What would a necromancer do then?  Survey the dead.

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Re: Earth battery expermients
« Reply #62 on: November 09, 2007, 05:06:47 AM »
Well, I have exhausted all of my local sources for graphite or carbon rods so now, I am awaiting quotes from internet companies.  This is frustrating!

@Stefan:

I guess one could make a graphite rod but, when you use glue, or any other binder, you will decrease the electrical properties proportionally.  the best graphite rods are iso-pressed, isostatically pressed at thousand of psi.  My old company, which I lost in my divorce, had a supply room of thousands of ceramic and graphite materials, sorted by size and material compostion.  I tested one of my graphite/carbon composite golf shafts and it has a continuity reading of zero, if you scrape off the gloss finish and paint.  I am also searching for magnesium rods, or will settle for zinc if I have to.

I want to get on with this!!!!!!

Bill

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Re: Earth battery expermients
« Reply #63 on: November 09, 2007, 09:04:08 AM »


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Re: Earth battery expermients
« Reply #64 on: November 09, 2007, 09:47:48 AM »
Well, I have exhausted all of my local sources for graphite or carbon rods so now, I am awaiting quotes from internet companies.  This is frustrating!

@Stefan:

I guess one could make a graphite rod but, when you use glue, or any other binder, you will decrease the electrical properties proportionally.  the best graphite rods are iso-pressed, isostatically pressed at thousand of psi.  My old company, which I lost in my divorce, had a supply room of thousands of ceramic and graphite materials, sorted by size and material compostion.  I tested one of my graphite/carbon composite golf shafts and it has a continuity reading of zero, if you scrape off the gloss finish and paint.  I am also searching for magnesium rods, or will settle for zinc if I have to.

I want to get on with this!!!!!!

Bill


Hi Bill,
the advancement of normal or earth batteries can only occur, if we find
a binder, which is not walter solveable and which can bind graphite to
textil or paper or other forms of bigger surface material without degrading the
conductivity of graphite.
So has anyone tried different forms of glue to get this ?

Many thanks.

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Re: Earth battery expermients
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Re: Earth battery expermients
« Reply #65 on: November 09, 2007, 09:53:47 AM »
Well, I have exhausted all of my local sources for graphite or carbon rods so now, I am awaiting quotes from internet companies.  This is frustrating!

@Stefan:

I guess one could make a graphite rod but, when you use glue, or any other binder, you will decrease the electrical properties proportionally.  the best graphite rods are iso-pressed, isostatically pressed at thousand of psi.  My old company, which I lost in my divorce, had a supply room of thousands of ceramic and graphite materials, sorted by size and material compostion.  I tested one of my graphite/carbon composite golf shafts and it has a continuity reading of zero, if you scrape off the gloss finish and paint.  I am also searching for magnesium rods, or will settle for zinc if I have to.

I want to get on with this!!!!!!

Bill


Bill have you tied these guys, they seem to have lotts of usefull graphite rods and blocks ......includes prices aswell.

http://www.graphitestore.com/items_list.asp/action/prod/prd_id/70/cat_id/22

chad.

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Re: Earth battery expermients
« Reply #66 on: November 09, 2007, 09:58:08 AM »
I spoke yeasterday with an engineer friend, who has some
experience with house-electricity connections, rules and reglementations, etc...

He told me, that the earth is very conductive !
About under 10 Ohms for 1 km length.

So he also said, that due to this ,ground currents can easily
flow inside the earth.

Also there are always leaking currents from bad isolation
household devices, which flow via the grounding of the houses back to the transformer
stations inside the earth. Along this path there will be voltage potentials to be able to be tapped.

Also electric train rails and high voltage powerline masts have huge earth currents nearby.

So this guy, who got 1.8 amps must be probably living near a heavy usage
electricity location, where many leakage currents go through the earth.

As the earth together with the rods you want to stick in it
can be seen as a big potentiometer, it depens where you tap
the resistance to get a voltage and thus a current.

So in general, if you just use 2 copper rods,so you have no galvanic action
and just tap ground currents, the voltage will be bigger, if the 2 copper
rods are farther away from each other, cause then you have more earth resistance
between it and thus the voltage will be higher.
But then you need of course a current inside the earth, that also flows
exactly into the direction of the 2 rods.

So all in all, if you want not just the galvanic
action, that consumes the metals,but  to research and  extract real ground currents,
you need to go to a place,where there are no power lines or transformers
nearby, so you can really test the pure earth currents from natural sources....

But I guess, then these would be pretty small and thus the output power
would be also pretty low...

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Re: Earth battery expermients
« Reply #67 on: November 09, 2007, 11:17:20 AM »
I spoke again today with my friend and he told me, that
steel inside cement is acting like a copper material in
the dissimular metal chart !

That is very astounding to me.
So you can replace expensive copper by just normal
steel  and put the steel into cement "wrapping".

This is probably also one electrode in Steve Ryan?s
www.biosfuel.org
urine battery.
The other electrode was said to be Titanmesh metal.

Regards, Stefan.

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Re: Earth battery expermients
« Reply #68 on: November 09, 2007, 12:04:17 PM »
I just tried with 2 iron nails being about 30cm long and putting them about 25 cm into the
earth about 1 meter away in front of my house,where I live
and there was no voltage on them.
The soil was still pretty wet from showers the last days..

I also used then one iron nail and a copper pipe and I just had about
0.15 Volts on them, but this is just from the galvanic action.

Normally you need to put these rods at least 1.5 to 2 Meters deep into the
earth,otherwise you will not see any effect at all.

So my rods were probably not deep enough and there were no ground currents
on the surface.
I sticked them into north-south direction also...

Regards, Stefan.
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Re: Earth battery expermients
« Reply #69 on: November 09, 2007, 05:42:50 PM »
I'm In the Adirondack park, Upstate NY, I think that classifies as out there...  So if i have a chance this weekend i have a mountain like 5 mins from my house that i can try this at.  However much difference this will make from my house in the city which is still a small town i don't know, but it would show how much leakage penetrates the city. 

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Re: Earth battery expermients
« Reply #70 on: November 09, 2007, 09:26:07 PM »
@Chad:

Thanks for the link.  I looked at that site last night and it was the only one I found that actually listed prices.  I found a local supplier, who is out of stock, but ordered me a carbon rod 3/4 inch dia x 17 inches long!! ($21.77 USD) That should do it. He said it would arrive in about a week. (sigh)  He also had magnesium rod but it was coated with iron powder for welding purposes, not good for us I think.

So, I will put the carbon rod to the north, and on the south side, I guess I will have to use a zinc grounding rod or something like that.  I should see at least 1.4 to 1.5 volts from the galvanic difference and, hopefuly due to the depth and larger surface area, a good increase in amps.  I know I have been saying this but I will video this and post it once I get the materials.  This should be more than enough to light an led pretty well I should hope.

@Stefan:

When I got my best readings so far, I used a pencil sharpened on both ends and a magnesium fire started block and they were each only in the ground about 1/2 inch and about 1 meter away from each other.  Make sure you align to the true north/south meridian and not magnetic north.  You need to check a detailed map for your area to see what the declination is or, just stab around where you think it is and take your best readings.

I agree there is some kind of galvanic action going on, to a point but remember, when you read the patents and other info posted, that bleed currents from bad electrical installations, which I am sure exist everywhere now, did not exist then as no one had electricity!  The earth gets charged and discharged through lightning strikes, etc  and some say the spinning molten core is like a generator of sorts, who knows?

@ Localjoe:

Have you tried the welding rods yet?  The guy in the video with the led said one of his rods was a grounding rod.  I found one at Home Depot that was 8 foot long.  It was some kind of metal that was copper clad.  No one seemed to know what kind of metal it was.  Maybe, being copper on the outside, it acts like a solid copper rod?  I'll see what I can find on the net about that.  In the meantime, I am on hold for about a week...of course, I will try a few other things here and there while I am waiting.  Thanks.

Bill

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Re: Earth battery expermients
« Reply #71 on: November 11, 2007, 08:03:13 AM »
Hi guys,
Nice to see that research is going on with earth batteries.  A year ago I spent several days experimenting with different materials.  Unfortunately I threw away my results, but I had some voltage with copper & aluminium.  I also used a zinc coated rod.  Basically, position in the ground and distance had no effect on voltage.  In the end I built 3 trays of soil (topsoil) and connected them in series.  I was able to power an LED with 1.6V / 16 mA but when I checked the next day it had gotten dim.  It seemed to be purely galvanic. 
I do believe that a coil/capacitor that could capture current and resonate at the very low frequencies pulsing through our planet (1-15 Hz) would change everything.  I'm no coil expert but 60 Hz ac is quit low and that is simple to resonate.  I guess it would not be too difficult to calculate the number of turns for a coil.  We could also try a variable capacitor such as is used in tv/radio tuners and then use a scope to look at the output waveforms and determine if there is a point that begins to resonate.
Does anyone want to try that?


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« Reply #72 on: November 11, 2007, 08:20:02 AM »
@ akashh:

Glad to see you here.  I would love to persue the coil approach but, I have no real education or knowledge in this area.  A lot of the afore mentioned patents speak of coils.  I think now we are all trying to "max out" the differential metals potential and then, we will move to coils, etc.  I have one thought on the coil approach.  Stefan mentioned that amps were probably proportional to the surface area exposed to the telluric currents and this is most likely the case.  A coil would be an easy way to increase surface area.  As far as stepping up the voltage and decreasing the amps, I am familiar with Ohm's law but have no idea how to design or calculate the number of turns, etc.

I can't wait for my carbon rod to show up.

Bill

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Re: Earth battery expermients
« Reply #73 on: November 11, 2007, 10:27:02 AM »
Yes, I've been experimenting with activated carbon (used in water filters) which is a conductor.  I was trying to build an aluminium-air battery with it but still didnt get time to finish it.  Anyway, that should be easy to come by in particle size - mine are about 3mm grains.  You can just pour some out and put some form of wiremesh in-between to capture electricity uniformly by connecting a wire to it.  By applying pressure to it you get much better conductivity.  Why not try that out?

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Re: Earth battery expermients
« Reply #74 on: November 11, 2007, 10:46:32 AM »
To maximize the telluric currents capturing, it might be justthe simplest thing
to burry a few stainless steel mesh metal "sheets" vertically into the earth at least about 2 to 3 meters
deep.
Probably the deeper you go the better it gets ?
Hmm, must be tried, but I don?t have access right now for a soil to try it on..
Maybe some of you who have a farm land can try it away from any power grids...

Good luck.

Regards, Stefan.

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