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Author Topic: Nathan Stubblefield Earth battery/Self Generating Induction Coil Replications  (Read 1097798 times)

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So i took a wack at something i thought was going to be wild but i deff had to satisfy my curiosity,   Go stick a small copper pipe or piece of sheet copper like 5 inches or so in the ground, then take a steel screw stick it in the ground about a foot away from the copper and tell me the voltage/ current you get. Copper being positive steel being negative.  I got 1.5 v ac or around .9 v dc and i cant tell the current but its in the hundreds of micro amps, charges ac cap real quick....  I Found out two ideas that will help people.   First stick your copper in the ground, make an imaginary circle in your head using the copper as the center and plop the steel skrew in around the perimeter of this circle walk the whole 360 degrees and try the skrew in the ground every so often.  My conclusion is polar alignment deff makes a difference and produces more voltage and current give how the metals are placed... Doing it near tree roots also had a significant impact on current being higher but no real impact on the voltage.  If the freq of this ac power was fast enough, i guess my question is could i step it up to something useful, mabey just enough to make a small solonid motor with flywheel or alternator of sorts to make additional power. Ideas folks ? I haven't tried putting coils on the metal directly to try Stubblefield stuff i wanted to start basic but the crazy part is these two peices of metal can be separated like at least 10 feet and they still form a circuit, or register voltage on my meter, pretty cool. I also found out that i could run a battery in series, plus of battery to - steel screw, copper pipe to load + and the - term on the battery to the loads - terminal, still lit the led which means its deff possible to use the ground as a conductor of sorts at least across a reasonable space of land.

Weird thing.. my analog shack meter shows the ac while my digital doesent but when i tap the probe on the copper or steel  it registers a little....
« Last Edit: May 05, 2008, 07:11:06 PM by Localjoe »

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Re: Earth battery expermients
« Reply #1 on: October 19, 2007, 09:03:12 PM »
I forgot to mention this is working in a ceramic pot with a small basil plant in it as well, who woulda knew and its on the wood deck so about 4 feet off the ground level.  Not as much current compared to being in the actual ground
« Last Edit: October 19, 2007, 09:53:14 PM by Localjoe »

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Re: Earth battery expermients
« Reply #2 on: October 26, 2007, 08:26:49 PM »
@Localjoe:

I would think a lot would depend on the type of soil and mineralization of the ground where someone lives as to how well, or if, this might work.  A chemistry teacher of mine once showed us that your mouth is actually a battery under the correct conditions....ie chewing on a piece of aluminum foil.

I don't know if you know who Art Bell is....now retired famous host/creator of the Coast to Coast a.m. radio show...well, he is really big into ham radio and he reported that at his Nevada location, he strung up a "super" antenna in an array that was very large and supported off the ground on poles driven into the ground.  when he went to hook his equipment to it, it started blowing stuff left and right.  He checked the antenna line and had something like 210 volts on it.  He ended up putting some kind of filter on it but he said he was always curious as to where that power was from.  He lives way out in the high dessert and is not near any radio transmitters.

Anyway, this may be related to your phenomenon.  Also, could you not have several setups as you described and hook them in series to raise the voltage to a useful level?  Be pretty cool to recharge your cell phone from the earth, or light some LEDs.

Bill

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Re: Earth battery expermients
« Reply #3 on: October 26, 2007, 10:49:08 PM »
You can make a low power battery using tap water as well as the dirt. I made this a while ago to see if I could light a led.  The amps are no good though for powering larger stuff.

http://img151.imageshack.us/img151/7892/wc1ki4.jpg
http://img151.imageshack.us/img151/737/wc2ax4.jpg

This guy gets a good spark from falling water.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oY1eyLEo8_A


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Re: Earth battery expermients
« Reply #4 on: October 26, 2007, 11:28:30 PM »
@ Freezer:

The last link you posted from youtube is a great lecture series.  I enjoyed watching it and am going to look for the others.  Thanks.

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Re: Earth battery expermients
« Reply #5 on: October 28, 2007, 04:37:57 AM »
@Localjoe:

I am considering trying the pipe in the ground effect that you described.  Would this be enough to light a very small LED?  I wonder how many pipes you could put in a certain area and how far from each other they might have to be to still work.  I would love to hear more about your experiment.  Thanks.

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Re: Earth battery expermients
« Reply #6 on: October 30, 2007, 12:17:25 AM »
Hey Bill,
           Tye Pipe wasn't that long at all and diameter is about quarter inch or so not half tho. I'll take a pic of that and the skrew i used for it.  What still boggles me is why my meters are telling me different things about the ac voltage, Im betting the analog one is right either way, but im going to get a new digital one soon so i'll try that to make sure. Moral of the story is that the analog meter showed upwards of 1.5 v ac and about .8 v dc. Digital showed the dc but not the ac. 

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« Reply #7 on: November 02, 2007, 06:29:53 AM »
@Localjoe:

Hey, I just tried this tonight and, right out of the box I obtained .88 volts dc.  I used a cleaned copper pipe, 1/2 inch dia. x 8" long, stuck in the ground about 4".  I used a zinc coated screw, about 1" long sutck in about halfway along the true north south axis with the copper pipe being the north.  I moved it around some and got .94 vdc for the best number thus far.

I just watched a video on youtube where this guy built a coil setup like they did in the 1800's and all he got was .88 vdc.  I am going to research this more and try many different experiments with various materials.  This was all I had handy at the time.  I am going to try the tree suggestion as this was mentioned several times in the google search articles that I read.  I just can't believe that I got this high a number on the first several attempts.  I am thinking now about two copper pipes in series with two screws...will this give out 1.88 vdc?  You were correct Joe in that it does make a difference where, and how deep/shallow you put the screw.  Deeper gave slightly lower readings.  A little to the left, or right also lowered the readings.  I would be very interested to learn of yours, and others experiments in this area.  I had no intenetion of trying this as I am working on other projects right now, but this was an interesting break and it works, right off the bat.  Keep me posted please.

Bill

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« Reply #8 on: November 02, 2007, 06:38:59 AM »
This is so easy to replicate and experiment with I propose that everyone should try it.  We can compare readings and techniques.  I'll bet, with a little imagination, it won't take long before we get the volts up there.  Afterall, an AA battery is only 1.5 volts so, this is free and possible maybe to hook up an array in series for useful energy.  Free.  I am so excited by this I will have trouble sleeping until I can play some more.

Bill

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Re: Earth battery expermients
« Reply #9 on: November 02, 2007, 03:13:24 PM »
I think the voltage will be dependent on the galvanic difference of the metals used.

This is basically a battery using the wet soil as the electrolyte, right?

I love the idea of just putting rods in the ground and getting some electricity.

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Re: Earth battery expermients
« Reply #10 on: November 02, 2007, 10:37:40 PM »
Well yes and no... is a battery pulsed dc or ac??? Im not thinking so...yet it can also act in series with a circuit.  This leads me to believe something else is going on. If someone can answer this in good faith and tell me why would that metal reaction give more amps of current near dry tree soil separated 5 or 6 feet than in a wet soil a foot apart? If we can answer that it may shed more light on how this is working.  I dont know something i'm not telling those are just my observations that don't fit the logical conclusions.

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« Reply #11 on: November 03, 2007, 01:18:57 AM »

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Earth_battery

The above is a good link to info on this type of device.  I have read where the water in the ground may act as an electrolite but I am getting reasonably good results in dry soil.  Tesla said that there is enough electricty in the earth to supply all of our needs forever.

I do think it makes a different what type of metals are used, and the position relating to the poles of the earth seem to be important as well. Nathan Stubblefield appeared to use coil types of devices set into the ground as did some others. (See link above)

I have not yet tried to link several in series to see what happens yet...hopefully this weekend will be good for that.

Bill


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Re: Earth battery expermients
« Reply #12 on: November 03, 2007, 01:39:28 AM »
Good thinking Bill,
                        I really think that this doesn't have anything to do with a galvanic reaction. Mainly because of the tree factor .. Why is my current 10 times higher near a large old tree with dry soil?  If it were real moist ground It could fit possibly, and maybe the tree roots have something that would speed up the reaction or help it but thats a stretch and if the height didn't make much of a difference It could fit  too but with this experiment when the zinc screw is raised higher than the copper in the ground you see an increase of voltage and current. So the proximity to the tree and the height of the electrodes regardless of distance I see as factors that don't fit the galvanic cell description. I do understand there is a ratio to the ammts of metal in a galvanic cell but this is too much of an extreme. Consider inserting different amounts of the metals into the conductive medium  and theres probably a fall off point where you would see diminishing returns but thats assuming your exposing all the surface aera to that.  Why would taking some of the screw out raise the voltage and current instead of making it fall ?

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« Reply #13 on: November 03, 2007, 01:52:34 AM »
Exactly!  My best voltage was with the 2" long screw, which I started almost burried completly, backed out more than halfway.  This was once I did as you said and moved it around the polar alignment to find the best spot.  I wish I could visualize what was going on here.  Common sense would suggest that we could sink 10' long copper rods/tubes and 10' long zink material and get a large voltage when in fact, I'll bet it would be less.  This seems to be something just below the surface as if there was a circular field of energy, like a vortex on its side, with the top edge of the field just below the surface.  Maybe the other edge of the vortex is just below the surface on the other side of the planet...who knows?

Some early experimenters (1800's) used copper plates and zink plates and burried them just below the surface as well.  I don't know how much voltage they got out of them but then, probably neither did they. (No voltmeters at the time) There are a lot of varibles to play with here by experimentation.  I even tried an empty aluminum beer can twisted into the soil (dirt, no grass) only maybe 1/16 inch and got .29 vdc between it and my north facing copper pipe.  I also set a neo magnet into the dirt about 1/4 inch and between the copper pipe and the mag I got .94 vdc.  distance was, in all cases about 16" from the pipe, give or take.

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Re: Earth battery expermients
« Reply #14 on: November 03, 2007, 02:33:49 AM »
Remember neo magnet ;D.... I forgot to mention i put one on my zinc screw to start with ... easy way to hold the agitator clip lead on wouldn't bite.. I wasn't testing voltage or current at the time i was out there with a d battery or 2 in a holder and i put the positive from the battery to the zinc screw, negative of battery to the led and a jumper from the copper pipe to the positive side on the led and it ran the current through the ground. Maybe the magnet had something to do with part of it anyways, ive been reading all the patents and every one i find seems to take the outputs and connect them to inductors. coils. One shows two induction coils for the old clock battery so one lead to each but another looks like an ac transformer single wire connects the plate and screw and is wound around an iron core then another wire comes off that for the circuit,secondary we'll say. I think keeping the power in an electromagnetic state.. i know thats not the proper term, but if we transform that earth energy to magnetic then wind leads off of that transformer i think that might be the trick so we would set up and oscillator on the other side that we will be stepping up.  I see it common in all the patents just a little different each time.  Tell me what you think

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