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Author Topic: Selfrunning cold electricity circuit from Dr.Stiffler  (Read 1470636 times)

zaydana

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Re: Selfrunning cold electricity circuit from Dr.Stiffler
« Reply #660 on: November 18, 2007, 08:08:09 AM »
Hey guys

I don't know if you saw my post a few pages back, but I outlined a way which unless I am mistaken should measure if the circuit is OU, and by how much, and also takes into account any perceived brightness vs. actual brightness discrepancies.

http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,3457.msg59449.html#msg59449

Stefan: would you be able to give the experiment in the above topic a run through with your coils? I think it would go a long way towards putting some hard numbers towards exactly how much this experiment is OU.

 - James

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Re: Selfrunning cold electricity circuit from Dr.Stiffler
« Reply #661 on: November 18, 2007, 09:10:11 AM »
Hey guys

I don't know if you saw my post a few pages back, but I outlined a way which unless I am mistaken should measure if the circuit is OU, and by how much, and also takes into account any perceived brightness vs. actual brightness discrepancies.

http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,3457.msg59449.html#msg59449

Stefan: would you be able to give the experiment in the above topic a run through with your coils? I think it would go a long way towards putting some hard numbers towards exactly how much this experiment is OU.

 - James

KneeDeep... Sorry I missed that post.     ......KneeDeep
Still, I think that measuring the light output in any given LED against a known "standard" is a good place to make comparisons. Astronomers are expert at this!  Maybe one could pop in and put in his/her two cents worth...KneeDeep .......That is if we can drag them away from their black holes! LOL  :D

If there is such a thing as "Cold Electricity" which doesn't act like "ordinary electricity" then trying to make output and input comparisons on the basis of Voltage and Current readings would be erroneous and fruitless. The only common link between all the different circuits, and a standard in series DC circuit is the "light" emitted from the LEDS. All else in the circuit/s is/are a variable, but the light emissions are something which can be measured in a standardized manner.

If there isn't such a thing as Cold Electricity, then all that is needed is an accurate measurement of Lumens/unit area, and power input to determine a Lumens per Watt for any given circuit.

All I wish to know is whether RF excitation is capable of actually outputting more Lumens per watt, than straight DC using LEDS???
To know that requires a method of measuring the actual light output, not the electrical power output.
For that I wait in anticipation of further results from the "do-ers" , Bless them all!  :D

KneeDeep from the Toad who Hops  :)

zaydana

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Re: Selfrunning cold electricity circuit from Dr.Stiffler
« Reply #662 on: November 18, 2007, 09:29:22 AM »
I understand what you say about cold electricity making measuring current/voltage fairly useless - I've actually taken account of this in the experiment I proposed. Basically, the idea is that you get the same waveform going through the LEDs in both cases, and have a look how much input power goes through either the driver circuit, or the plain LEDs, for the same light output.

The reason this works even with the effects of cold electricity taken into account is that with your plain LEDs circuit, without Dr. Stiffler's driver, you know there is no cold electricity. Knowing how much power it takes to drive the LEDs to a certain brightness under a certain waveform, you can then measure the amount of operator input into the driver for the same brightness, with the same waveform through the LEDs, and can instantly tell how much the system is over unity.

Remember that what we are interested is the amount of environmental input for a given operator input - this experiment is for measuring just that.

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Re: Selfrunning cold electricity circuit from Dr.Stiffler
« Reply #663 on: November 18, 2007, 12:02:55 PM »
@Xee

If Xee was right I would be really happy, great areas could be illuminated using impulses LED with elevated frequency (MHz). A camera measures the number of photons with an integration equal to the time of exposure. it is important that photons don't  saturate the sensor. It is possible to make a test putting out focus the camera and exposing in non automatic way. To this point the image, in the single pixelses, it will report a measure of the intercepted photons.
However I have the feeling that the circuit of Xee both type impulsive, therefore with elevated spike of current. A LED can be drive, for brief times, with strong current and therefore to send an equivalent light as a continuous feeding. This is particularly true for the LEDs to elevated brightness.
I would want that Xee measured the current and tension that it passes through the LED, with an oscilloscope, so that to have a real measure of the consumed power. If this affirmation is true, we can illuminate the world spending 1% of energy. Unfortunately I believe that is low probability.
« Last Edit: November 18, 2007, 03:23:05 PM by abassign »

AhuraMazda

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Re: Selfrunning cold electricity circuit from Dr.Stiffler
« Reply #664 on: November 18, 2007, 05:49:57 PM »
Jester ???

6 replications and 0 publications ... yes I agree the Jester will be apparent soon  ::)

The thick plottens :P

Gee! does not your post explain why there are no publications. What is the old saying, "you can lead a horse to water, but you cannot make him drink'.

We have all learned our lesson from your type of distraction. So many people suffer because of your inference. Do you by chance work for OPEC?

@Ron,

He is a minion in some Illuminati controlled organization.
His name appears in the the year book. Need I say more?
www.sigep.org/documents/journal-spring-2007.pdf





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Re: Selfrunning cold electricity circuit from Dr.Stiffler
« Reply #665 on: November 18, 2007, 05:56:20 PM »
I can?t stand it anymore? I know there are others out there too shaking their head as well. Stiffler you better learn about electronics and LED?s before you try to fool the world. Go ahead and get mad because someone posted something negative, at your age if you need to act that way you must have some real issues. Cold electricity, Claims of OU, Quote ?I?ll run my house off this?, your just like the rest of the show boaters that pop up here with no real data, no true scientific documents or proof, and your attitude proves it. Bla I won?t say anymore I just can?t believe this #####.     

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Re: Selfrunning cold electricity circuit from Dr.Stiffler
« Reply #666 on: November 18, 2007, 06:22:55 PM »
ICold electricity, Claims of OU, Quote ?I?ll run my house off this?, your just like the rest of the show boaters that pop up here with no real data, no true scientific documents or proof, and your attitude proves it.

You've got that right. This thing is a joke. Stiffler's big announcement - six people have replicated the circuit and gotten OU. Right. With the same evidence, so far, as Stiffler has given us.

I used to light up neon bulbs from RF signals when I was a kid; as far as the evidence shows, Stiffler hasn't done anything more than that.

Let's see some evidence that the power out is greater than the power in. What is it? 400 percent, supposedly? Wow, with OU like that, it must be a breeze to make it self-sustaining.

But I'll bet there is a problem matching impedance or waveform or something like that. I won't hold my breath waiting for it to be done.

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Re: Selfrunning cold electricity circuit from Dr.Stiffler
« Reply #667 on: November 18, 2007, 07:12:24 PM »
Each can have the an original opportunity to express his own joy. But this way must not have any relationship with the results that he is getting.
Seem me whether to succeed to piloting 36 LEDs with an oscillator composed by a transitor with max power of 0.62W are a good result, of sure this is utility for the new LED market. I have seen systems for the LED pilotage very heavy and expensive, this solution can be very interesting.
It is better however not to waste time in philosophy, but who has made his tests expose his results to the evaluation of everybody.

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Re: Selfrunning cold electricity circuit from Dr.Stiffler
« Reply #668 on: November 18, 2007, 07:27:49 PM »
Jester ???

6 replications and 0 publications ... yes I agree the Jester will be apparent soon  ::)

The thick plottens :P

Gee! does not your post explain why there are no publications. What is the old saying, "you can lead a horse to water, but you cannot make him drink'.

We have all learned our lesson from your type of distraction. So many people suffer because of your inference. Do you by chance work for OPEC?

@Ron,

He is a minion in some Illuminati controlled organization.
His name appears in the the year book. Need I say more?
www.sigep.org/documents/journal-spring-2007.pdf






Too funny for words,Stiffler is in good company.

 ;D

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Re: Selfrunning cold electricity circuit from Dr.Stiffler
« Reply #669 on: November 18, 2007, 07:57:09 PM »
@abassign,
Yes, my explanation is bad. But, the measurements are correct. The point was that it is hard to tell just by looking at the LED how much power it is using. Thanks for the feedback.  :-[

abassign

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Re: Selfrunning cold electricity circuit from Dr.Stiffler
« Reply #670 on: November 18, 2007, 08:55:48 PM »
@Xee
You are right, it is not correct to make the light measures by eye, the eye interprets the brightness in very particular way. However the tape of Stefan Hartmann ( http://it.youtube.com/watch?v=qRw_sCzhFnk ) is clear, if the power is that that he declares, it is a lot difficult to explain. At 2.'20" is possible to  observe the reflex of the bright flow on the oscilloscope, it covers the brightness of the room.
The bright flow is overcoming that of the room, and the LEDs are not near to the oscilloscope, and moreover their primary direction of flow is perpendicular at it, therefore the illumination produced by the LEDs is under the worse conditions.
Xee, job also in the field of the LEDs for environmental illumination, what I see sincerely surprise me.
However yours is a good observation! ;)

@Stefan
Is it possible to make the test with power LED for example 350-700 mA ?
In the tape, when you remove the oscilloscope probe , the LEDs are extinguished. For riactivate do you regulate the oscillator frequency ?
Can you display the oscillator circuit ?
Is it possible to make a test with more separation from the oscillator with the LEDs ?
In affirmative case, is it possible to use a thin wire ?

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Re: Selfrunning cold electricity circuit from Dr.Stiffler
« Reply #671 on: November 18, 2007, 09:32:55 PM »
Well, I played all day yeasterday and today with the Stiffler circuit and also tested his exact setup with 9 turns of copper wire wound around the Litz coil and driving it with a cap in series with the 2.2 uH coil... But always in my tests this gave darker output at the LEDs than just using a cap and the litz coil coke going into the avramenko plug...
Also the circuit is very dependant of wire lengths and stray capacitances and standing waves...
So it is pretty hard to tune and when you move a cable a bit, you need to retune to the new resonance frequency, cause the stray capavitance just had changed...
So all in all, I tried to find out, where the OU effects could be coming from. The cores are enhancing the resonance effects of the litz coils, which have a very high Q and the core coil-combination are ringing a lot, when you hit them with pulses, but so far I have not seen any Overunity yet in my measurements...
I would really like, if Ron would investigate further, why his LEDs light up with just touching his circuit or putting a ground cable to than he is trying to use solar panels...
We really need to find out, what the real effect is, why his ground cable put on his circuit could light up his LEDs...
I was not able to light up any single LED(yes I  tried it with a single LED at the AP) with a ground wire or touching it, although I used the same circuit as Ron...

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Re: Selfrunning cold electricity circuit from Dr.Stiffler
« Reply #672 on: November 18, 2007, 09:53:26 PM »
I put today also a 22 uF cap across the 10 blue LEDs at the AP, so I had pure DC voltage there and I got at the best resonance frequency at around 1.5 MHz 25.5 Volts DC.
Then I put an analog milliampmeter in series with one of the 10 LEDs and it measured 0.6 mA at the best resonance point.The LEDs are not so bright as it seemed to be on my camera, as the CMOS chip of my camera saturates very fast at this LED blue light. Also these LEDs are these superbright types, that put out already quite some light at around 1 to 2 milliamps.
Okay, so output was then 25.5 Volts x 600 uA=15.3 mWatts.
Input was 12 Volts x 4.5 mA with the AP connected and
12 Volts x 3 mA without the AP connected.
So I had 54 mW input with the AP and 36 mW without it.
The difference gives 18 mW, so my output of 15.3 mW is still less then the difference increase input power of 18 mW.
So as these circuits depends much on RF effects and stray capacitances and Q resonance effects in Litz coils, I will now see, if somebody can introduce a real OU circuit with it with a positive feedback, that runs on its own energy and which is really replicateable with an offered kit including PCB board...otherwise this RF effects are just too variable to get someting to work in this frequency range.
Regards, Stefan.

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Re: Selfrunning cold electricity circuit from Dr.Stiffler
« Reply #673 on: November 18, 2007, 10:17:42 PM »
I will now see, if somebody can introduce a real OU circuit with it with a positive feedback, that runs on its own energy and which is really replicateable with an offered kit including PCB board...otherwise this RF effects are just too variable to get someting to work in this frequency range.
Regards, Stefan.

According to Dr. Stiffler, he and 6 other people have the device running and have OU!

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Associates (6) in all around the world have duplicated the OU condition to the extent that there is little doubt that it is real.

That is a giant achievement, and taking some of the output to make it self-sustaining should be easy.

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Re: Selfrunning cold electricity circuit from Dr.Stiffler
« Reply #674 on: November 18, 2007, 10:18:21 PM »
But video camera CCD responseds very similar to human eye. It records peak level of light on pixel during each frame (about 1/30 second) [...]

No, it doesn't.