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Author Topic: Selfrunning cold electricity circuit from Dr.Stiffler  (Read 1480352 times)

hartiberlin

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Re: Selfrunning cold electricity circuit from Dr.Stiffler
« Reply #570 on: November 11, 2007, 09:18:11 AM »
78ma from the 12V battery. Only had 67 LEDs. Estimate the circuit could light up to 200 LEDs.

Ossie



Hi Ossi !
Really well done man !

Great brightness just for 816 milliWatts only !

Let us know how it looks, when you connect 200 LEDs !
I guess I must also go buy a fewmore LEDs soon !  ;D ;D

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Re: Selfrunning cold electricity circuit from Dr.Stiffler
« Reply #571 on: November 11, 2007, 09:19:34 AM »
I am the Ebay Seller that sells the 680uh ferrite coils. They are the ones used Dr. Stiffler as I sold them to him. I logged in to this site to see what all the commotion was about. OU  :o interesting.


Many thanks for coming over here.

I hope you don?t sell them now at 100x the initial prize ! ;) ;D

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Re: Selfrunning cold electricity circuit from Dr.Stiffler
« Reply #572 on: November 11, 2007, 09:25:42 AM »
When I remember the MRA circuit
    The Magnetic Resonance Amplifier (MRA)
    By Joel McClain and Norman Wootan

here is a link to it:

http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Starship/9201/mranines/mra.html

This must have been something simular.
Watch out ofthe circuit diagram.
It is drawn there a bit wrong as
Joel McClain and Norman Wootan
first claimed to have also only used the positive ONLY of their
signal generator
and later Earthtech tested their device and gound only
underunity, butby then they also used the ground
line of the signal generator and thus did not have a single wire output !

So Earthtech did not understand how to measure it correctly and the Avramenko
plug idea was not born yet, but I wonder, if Joel McClain and Norman Wootan
would now also use the Avramenko plug idea,
what they would get out of theri Barium Titanate Piezo crystal at resonance
with an series Avramenko plug behind it ??

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Re: Selfrunning cold electricity circuit from Dr.Stiffler
« Reply #573 on: November 11, 2007, 09:30:24 AM »
ABout barium titanite transducers:

Found here:

http://209.85.129.104/search?q=cache:1ysyrWRpTVwJ:www.most.gov.mm/techuni/media/EcE02041ElectronicMeasurement.doc+barium+titanite+transducer&hl=de&ct=clnk&cd=5&gl=de

Piezoelectric transducer

    * Asymmetrical crystalline materials, such as quartz, Rochelle salt and barium titanite produce an emf when they are placed under stress.
    * This principle is used in Piezoelectric transducer, where a crystal is placed between a solid-base and the force summing member
    * When the external force is applied, the current produced is proportional to the amount or pressure
    * Since this transducer has a very god frequency response, it is used in high accelerator.
    * The disadvantage of this transducer is that it cannot measure in static condition.
    * The output voltage is also affected by the temperature variations of the crystal.

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Re: Selfrunning cold electricity circuit from Dr.Stiffler
« Reply #574 on: November 11, 2007, 10:10:45 AM »
Okay, this MRA thing is a bit offtopic to the Dr. Stiffler circuit,
but as maybe the barium resonance plays a role,
the Barium titanate may be also a solution to go.

Here is another Word DOC file of this upper transducer doc:

http://www.most.gov.mm/techuni/media/EcE02041ElectronicMeasurement.doc


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Re: Selfrunning cold electricity circuit from Dr.Stiffler
« Reply #575 on: November 11, 2007, 03:28:50 PM »
Hi Ben,
nice to see your picture now with the 30 neon bulbs.

Can you tell us more about this ?  It Used the Ossie On board Osc. 100 ma@ 12VDC in.

Did you also get the core from this Ebay seller
Mr. Lowe from Middletown, OH 45044 ?  I got from zlowe7 in Cincinatti, Ohio.  Possibly the same guy.  Coils seem the same.

Do you now see much more amplification with it ?  It shows all the needed charactoristics.

How much power did you put in there to drive
the 30 neon bulbs and at what frequency ? 1.1 watt @ 9 Mhhz

What is you voltage p-p to drive this from your signal generator ?  Osc on board, battery powered.

Can you , if you hit the resonance frequency of the core
lower in the input signal generator  voltage , without the neon bulbs
reducing their brightness ?   Brute force, no resonance, did not try to resonate.

Have gone so much further since this "teaser", MOST important, you must operate this system open loop during power generation for the OU effect to be there.  The Ossie C. circuit is just a start, works good.  Always better ways.  It is amazing, there is these "globs" of power generated at the end of multiple AV plugs/loops.  To use it is the basic problem.  Closing the loop is the hardest to do, or transfering OU energy back to normal operating system.......
If yes, to what level ?
Many thanks.


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Re: Selfrunning cold electricity circuit from Dr.Stiffler
« Reply #576 on: November 11, 2007, 05:10:09 PM »
Hi Harti
The reason the voltage drops on the test circuit at self resonance is that the measurement circuit  is in SERIES with the coil. 

Yes,but in the circuit diagram he is showing it being measured across the 50 ohm load resistor.

If the series LC circuit atresonance has about less than 1 Ohm impedance, all
voltage should be at the 50 Ohm resistor, so the voltage should
be maximum at resonance, not lowest... or do I mix something up here ?

The measurement procedure is correct and the results are correct. Many have already explained why this is so, but I will attempt to do so also.

The coil (turns of the coil) between each turn, has an intrinsic capacity that forms a mini-parallel resonant tank, so picture the coil and its inter winding capacities as a string small parallel resonant tanks in series. A parallel tank will exhibit highest impedance at resonance, therefore lowest voltage across the 50-ohm resistor.

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Re: Selfrunning cold electricity circuit from Dr.Stiffler
« Reply #577 on: November 11, 2007, 07:18:47 PM »
I realy do not understand, why there is nobody, who closes the loop to plug off the battery or an external powered signal generator!!! To close the loop, use a mini-solar-panel, fed by the light of the LEDs. To start-up the circuit, put external light on the panel, powered by a battery/supply or so. After successfull initialization switch off the battery and remove it completely. WHAT YOU ARE WAITING FOR???

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Re: Selfrunning cold electricity circuit from Dr.Stiffler
« Reply #578 on: November 11, 2007, 07:29:12 PM »
I realy do not understand, why there is nobody, who closes the loop to plug off the battery or an external powered signal generator!!! To close the loop, use a mini-solar-panel, fed by the light of the LEDs. To start-up the circuit, put external light on the panel, powered by a battery/supply or so. After successfull initialization switch off the battery and remove it completely. WHAT YOU ARE WAITING FOR???

Maybe the Wine needs to age a bit more and hey its not Christmas yet.

Hang around, something better may be blowing in the wind....

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Re: Selfrunning cold electricity circuit from Dr.Stiffler
« Reply #579 on: November 11, 2007, 10:05:13 PM »
Isn't closing the loop going to break the dia-pole and rid us of the radiant energy being created? When that happens we end up in the realm of the underunity where all of our conventional devices work in...but not really where we want to be.

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Re: Selfrunning cold electricity circuit from Dr.Stiffler
« Reply #580 on: November 11, 2007, 10:41:22 PM »
Isn't closing the loop going to break the dia-pole and rid us of the radiant energy being created? When that happens we end up in the realm of the underunity where all of our conventional devices work in...but not really where we want to be.
Is it possible to generate energy @ a overunit rate, then transfer that energy to a closed loop system, that is take energy from open ended system, transfer it to closed loop system while not disturbing the OU system.

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Re: Selfrunning cold electricity circuit from Dr.Stiffler
« Reply #581 on: November 11, 2007, 10:51:35 PM »
Is it possible to generate energy @ a overunit rate, then transfer that energy to a closed loop system, that is take energy from open ended system, transfer it to closed loop system while not disturbing the OU system.

Hi

I will assume you wanted to say "It is..." rather than "Is it...", and I agree there is a way to transfer the energy, one of them by charging and discharging a capacitor the way Bedini does it, but I was hoping to allude to a lack of devices that use radiant energy directly from the source and are based on open loop system. :)

I think we should divide our focus not just on tapping into the sea of radiant energy but also constructing devices that are powered by it directly in accordance with natural principles. Else, if we continue converting to our closed loop system we just perpetuate the old inefficient ways.

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Re: Selfrunning cold electricity circuit from Dr.Stiffler
« Reply #582 on: November 11, 2007, 10:59:00 PM »
Hi Harti
Sometimes a picture is worth a thousand words.
So...I have attached a picture showing how a coil actually has some built in capacitance.
Best of luck with your replication efforts.
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Re: Selfrunning cold electricity circuit from Dr.Stiffler
« Reply #583 on: November 12, 2007, 05:38:37 AM »

", but I was hoping to allude to a lack of devices that use radiant energy directly from the source and are based on open loop system. :) "

I think we should divide our focus not just on tapping into the sea of radiant energy but also constructing devices that are powered by it directly in accordance with natural principles. Else, if we continue converting to our closed loop system we just perpetuate the old inefficient ways.

Well observed Amigo.

I've been reading this thread diligently and excitedly as replications (of sorts) have added to the weight of Dr Stifflers work.

Between 1990 and 2002 I spent those years analysing the Adams Motor and other pulsed motor systems. Never once, in all that time, and after building 100's of the pulsed "little demons", did I, IMHO, ever achieve O/U.
But a couple of things about the Adams motor really bugged me. So much about their characteristics and the way they operated intrigued me to a point where I persisted with every possible experiment I could conceive of.

And I'm glad I did. I am still skeptical of the notion that you will get O/U from an Adams Motor. But I am damn sure about one thing in particular, and that is: AN OPEN MAGNETIC SYTEM is more effiicient than a Closed Magnetic System! And an Adams pulsed motor/generator, if nothing else, is a useful tool in proving it!

When I first started experimenting with pulsed motor systems, I was completely skeptical of the notion of O/U in any sense or meaning of the words.

My years of experimenting with pulsed motor/generator systems has left me sitting in the "middle of the fence" these days. I still lean towards skepticism in O/U forums, especially when words like "something from nothing" appear in a sentence, as opposed to "something for nothing".

Bu these days I consider myself to be an "active skeptic". Meaning, that I try to keep an open mind to all possibilities, and actively seek to understand new phenomena or explanations by way of literature research and hand's on experimentation where my skills allow. To me replication is the key to verification. Understanding will follow!

The possibilty of "tapping" a heretofore unknown or misunderstood source of energy is one that needs the greatest of attention in the here and now.

I applaud the work of all those who come to this forum, seeking to exchange their ideas and freely expressing their thoughts.

Sorry to go a little off topic here, but Amigos, you're right on the knocker with your statement. "Else, if we continue converting to our closed loop system we just perpetuate the old inefficient ways."


If any of you are interested, I set up a few pages a couple of weeks back to help some "Adams motor" beginners deal with some of the issues
they had with component failure inthere motor circuits. I never intended it to, but the few pages grew to a total of ten. Once I started recapping
on some old knowledge to try to help these guys out a little bit, it just kinda started frothing out of my mouth, so to speak. Anyway, the long and the short of it is this, on page 10 I outline a very simple experiment that can be done by anybody with some rudimentary electronic/building skills which shows that you can easily "Bend Lenz's Law".

Those are bold words, I know! Notice I didn't say "break", just "bend". But Bend in a big way. After proving this myself (and to other peers), and knowing that anybody else can also prove it themselves, I am much more open to the idea that other "Laws" can probably be "bent". The key here is not to do what has always been done, and not to assume what is always assumed.

For anyone interested in "Bending Lenz's Law", heres a link. When you get there just click on page 10      http://www.totallyamped.net/adams


Cheers and KneeDeep from the Toad who Hops  :D

P.S. Keep up the great work everyone!


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Re: Selfrunning cold electricity circuit from Dr.Stiffler
« Reply #584 on: November 12, 2007, 09:40:09 PM »
Picking up on hoptoad's post, I share his views in general having spent the last couple of years seriously studying Bedini technology. I have been following this thread from the beginning and decided recently to try this 'one wire working' with a Bedini SG energiser running at 25Khz. I found that I could easily illuminate a few 'blue' LED's using an AV plug with a short open wire tail to 'tune' the plug. The plug was connected directly to the energiser's output 'compression' diode'. A very small current of 100uA (measured with an AVO 8 meter in series with LED) will light the LED's to a good visible level with no additional chokes needed. Increasing the 'spike' level from the energiser, considerably increases the current available to the LED's. I coupled the AV plug through a 100pf polystyrene cap.

Hoppy