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Re: Selfrunning cold electricity circuit from Dr.Stiffler
« Reply #420 on: November 01, 2007, 09:37:20 PM »
This is starting to look like people playing with the OU.COM people now.  Would not be the first time.


But thank god we aren't being sent on unexpected business trips...

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   My posts those are asking for using air core rather than BaFe are wiped off???

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Re: Selfrunning cold electricity circuit from Dr.Stiffler
« Reply #421 on: November 01, 2007, 09:49:48 PM »
Hi All.
I have just ripped apart my old AM radio and recovered the ferrite coil from it.
Now I am seeing also the neon bulb to light up. Still have to build the new oscillator. More soon.
Regards, Stefan.

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Re: Selfrunning cold electricity circuit from Dr.Stiffler
« Reply #422 on: November 01, 2007, 10:15:15 PM »
Hi all,

Look at pix attached.  1 led in series with the input, 10 LEDs on the output. Input and output single wire.  Oh, I live in a reinforced concrete building and I am in the middle of it.  FM or AM radio just don't work where my mini shop is (Worlds smallest lab). I have been through about 100 variations in the last hour and half, learning as I go. My Sig generator is 27V pp output floating as I have removed the ground connector on plug but of course there is inductive coupling to ground but all is floating right now.

Ben

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Re: Selfrunning cold electricity circuit from Dr.Stiffler
« Reply #423 on: November 01, 2007, 10:31:45 PM »
Thank you Dr. Stiffler,

I understand about the follower to keep the Osc. isolated and provide drive downstream.  You been around the block a few times!.....most excellent.

Also, I have seen lots of those little 12VDC trickle charger Solar panels and as you say, they are junk!.  I have 3 big Siemens 50 W panels on my sailboat.  Now if we could light about 10K LED's, may have something!  Again as you have noted, output is so subjective on LED's unless you put a meter in there, it is a WAG.  As you say, a lot to try down the line...........so many experiments, so little time!

I'm still messing around.  Tried a full wave bridge driven by both ends of the secondary and manage to get about 12 ma out @ around 18 volts across 10 LED's...haven't followed it very far.  Just trying things now to get a feel for what I am working with.  I'm working on comparative innies and outties,  gives you something to think about.  I'm going to try and get a spark gap Wimshurst RF osc. working tonight and drive this thing! Stability will be a bitch. Wonder If I can get it to convert the very HV RF down to a usable voltage and current in your circuit!  Just something else to mess with.

Keep at it, man your post are most excellent and I look for each one as I learn something from them all.

Ben

 


The solar cell, well I have been trying to keep my web site in sync and it is close, but still catching up. That first solar cell is a JOKE and I told the manufacture as much. In full sun the TOY could only generate 30mA. I do have the start of the info on my site at the bottom of the page. In short, to make it work you will need the best cell you can get, I will give examples and you will need to play with some small mirrors to use all the light, but that is later right?  You Bet!
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Re: Selfrunning cold electricity circuit from Dr.Stiffler
« Reply #424 on: November 01, 2007, 10:57:16 PM »
@k4zep

I may stand corrected, but connecting both of the secondaries to a bridge should remove all chance of any amplification.

You just may have hit on something I have not thought of, with your LED in the input, try two with a 1 ohm in between. Try measuring across the resistor as the impedance is lower this way. I did a similar approach with 20 LEDS split with resistor in between. That allowed some confidence in the measurement. Would be interested in the result. If your scope is grounded it of course will not work. An associate used an ac isolation xformer and did a fair job on readings, buy there is still the capacity. Anyway take the worst case, because you know it is really better.

I put the model number of my solar cells on my site. Beware they are expensive as they are commercial.

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Re: Selfrunning cold electricity circuit from Dr.Stiffler
« Reply #425 on: November 01, 2007, 11:36:04 PM »
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As I am the only moderator,
if this is not a joke,
it seems your password was hacked.
So change your password.

The forum is not hacked.

@All,
please stay ontopic.
The last offtopic non technical postings have been deleted by me.

I can see now in my new AM coil , that only 1 core out of 3 gives
a neon bulb lighting up at the unconnected coil wire end.
But I have to recheck this.
But one core was definately better than another one.

I also now have a litzwire coil and wound  10 windings of about 0.5 mm
diameter copper wire around it.

I did not yet build up the new oscillator,this comes next.
But with my old function generator going up to about 2 to 3 Mhz
I see now a resonance at around 2 Mhz, but the brightness
of the LEDs is still best, when I just use the 10 windings coil
and not putting the square into litz coil and using the 10 windings coil
as the outpt.
So the just-choke solution is still  better than the transformer solution.

But I can see, that using the ferrite core enhances the light output a bit,
when I remove or insert the ferrite core again.

So I see some gain already versus just driving the LEDs with just only
the signal generator output.

So now I am going to build up the 74AC14 oscillator and will see,
how this behaves at frequencies around 10 Mhz.
Stay tuned for pics and new video.

Regards, Stefan.
« Last Edit: November 02, 2007, 12:36:05 AM by hartiberlin »

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Re: Selfrunning cold electricity circuit from Dr.Stiffler
« Reply #426 on: November 02, 2007, 12:13:44 AM »
@Stefan

Thank you sir. With you now on board I think we are on a road to something that just may have a meaningful impact on humanity.

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Re: Selfrunning cold electricity circuit from Dr.Stiffler
« Reply #427 on: November 02, 2007, 12:52:50 AM »
@Dr. Stiffler
Thank you for your efforts.
At http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,3457.msg56857.html#msg56857 (10vpp square waves from the func gen) is the diagram and at http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,3457.msg56860.html#msg56860 is the 50+ leds lid. THere is nothing on this circuit really but it still lights up pretty well. I tested this over the wall VAC or using a battery with an inverter and same results. I put a ampmeter at point A (on the diagram) and ground (not shown on any of the pics) and thats where I got the output measurement. I also tried with the ampmeter between the lead of the func gen and the first led on the left where I got the input measurement. Notice that it is only one wire going to the leds and one going to the ground. I show it on a video at you tube at http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eN-WGgUkOvY.

Dr, the only reason I am asking this is because I really do not understand how is it possible to just using the signal from the func gen to light up all this LEDs. This off course is without the amplification but still and the currents that I am getting back from the amp-meters are way too low for even lighting up one led. (I am a little ashaimed to even ask you this Dr. with such a stupid diagram of mine). I end up with this simple test after trying your design (at http://www.drstiffler.com/ and part #2 Fig: 01 - Basic circuit diagram ) and changing things to the point that it is now.

Oh another thing, if connecting the other lead of the func gen to the point A and/or removing the ground connection the LEDs will NOT light up. Very strange indeed.

Fausto.

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Re: Selfrunning cold electricity circuit from Dr.Stiffler
« Reply #428 on: November 02, 2007, 01:00:29 AM »
Hi Dr. Stiffler,

Took me a while to find a way to make viable measurement with LED as indicator/diode in front end and get rid of capacatance effects and to think through exactly what is going on voltage and duty cycle wise in the circuit..

Found with common ground of signal generator/scope, all floating allowed good measurement.

Circuit is identical to basic circuit with L/C on input except a resistor added directly to sig. generator input then a diode connected to L/C circuit all in series..  Thats is all.  See abbreviated schematic attached......quick hand draw

Resistor 150 ohm carbon non inductive.
Signal:  5.8MHz square wave.
Signal input TP-A:  27 V Peak to Peak square wave +/- around ground.
Signal after Resistor TP-B = 23 V Peak to Peak.
Difference across resistor 4V
Actual difference seen from load due to diode 2V
I=E/R=2/150=.0133 MA.
P=EI=2X.0133=26.6 MW/2 for duty cycle=13.3 MW input.

LED Output" 18V across LED's with 10uf also across them for filtering.
Series Current with DVM in series with LED's= 1.8 Ma. (lousy coil!)
P=EI=18X.0018
Power out=32.4 MW.

I'm pretty confident of these readings.  It only gets better with more LED's on the output.  This thing seems a constant current source till it runs out of voltage..........

Your knowledge of how this thing works I Will not question as to bridge mucking up output.  I haven't tested that..............but I suspect you are right.  There is some funky phasing due to the AV plug working both ways and the virtual ground.

Ben

@k4zep

I may stand corrected, but connecting both of the secondaries to a bridge should remove all chance of any amplification.

You just may have hit on something I have not thought of, with your LED in the input, try two with a 1 ohm in between. Try measuring across the resistor as the impedance is lower this way. I did a similar approach with 20 LEDS split with resistor in between. That allowed some confidence in the measurement. Would be interested in the result. If your scope is grounded it of course will not work. An associate used an ac isolation xformer and did a fair job on readings, buy there is still the capacity. Anyway take the worst case, because you know it is really better.

I put the model number of my solar cells on my site. Beware they are expensive as they are commercial.

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Re: Selfrunning cold electricity circuit from Dr.Stiffler
« Reply #429 on: November 02, 2007, 01:13:36 AM »
Hi Dr. Stiffler,

Took me a while to find a way to make viable measurement with LED as indicator/diode in front end and get rid of capacatance effects and to think through exactly what is going on voltage and duty cycle wise in the circuit..

Found with common ground of signal generator/scope, all floating allowed good measurement.

Circuit is identical to basic circuit with L/C on input except a resistor added directly to sig. generator input then a diode connected to L/C circuit all in series..  Thats is all.  See abbreviated schematic attached......quick hand draw

Resistor 150 ohm carbon non inductive.
Signal:  5.8MHz square wave.
Signal input TP-A:  27 V Peak to Peak square wave +/- around ground.
Signal after Resistor TP-B = 23 V Peak to Peak.
Difference across resistor 4V
Actual difference seen from load due to diode 2V
I=E/R=2/150=.0133 MA.
P=EI=2X.0133=26.6 MW/2 for duty cycle=13.3 MW input.

LED Output" 18V across LED's with 10uf also across them for filtering.
Series Current with DVM in series with LED's= 1.8 Ma. (lousy coil!)
P=EI=18X.0018
Power out=32.4 MW.

I'm pretty confident of these readings.  It only gets better with more LED's on the output.  This thing seems a constant current source till it runs out of voltage..........

Your knowledge of how this thing works I Will not question as to bridge mucking up output.  I haven't tested that..............but I suspect you are right.  There is some funky phasing due to the AV plug working both ways and the virtual ground.

Ben

@k4zep

I may stand corrected, but connecting both of the secondaries to a bridge should remove all chance of any amplification.

You just may have hit on something I have not thought of, with your LED in the input, try two with a 1 ohm in between. Try measuring across the resistor as the impedance is lower this way. I did a similar approach with 20 LEDS split with resistor in between. That allowed some confidence in the measurement. Would be interested in the result. If your scope is grounded it of course will not work. An associate used an ac isolation xformer and did a fair job on readings, buy there is still the capacity. Anyway take the worst case, because you know it is really better.

I put the model number of my solar cells on my site. Beware they are expensive as they are commercial.
Do not be afraid to ask, this is why I am here and what I am asking you all to do, that said lets look at what you have.

If the generator will not drive the LEDS direct and you have no inductance, one thing comes to mind. Place 4.7K ohm resistor from your generator to you ground connection, exclusive of the LEDS. In other words the generator Hot lead to one end of the resistor and the other end of the resistor to your ground connection. With a VOM or DVM or DMM measure the voltage across the resistor. Measure both A.C. and D.C. Don't worry about the meters frequency response, I expect to see a high A.C. voltage across the resistor. Even though you tried the inverter arrangement I suspect low level A.C. versus the generator signal.

How all of what I just said is rubbish if you can adjust the frequency to either side and the LEDS dim or go out. Should this be the case I might try a different outlet strip as the one you are using contains harmonic suppression inductors or varistors which could be bleeding into the A.C. hot side.

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Re: Selfrunning cold electricity circuit from Dr.Stiffler
« Reply #430 on: November 02, 2007, 01:25:33 AM »

Hi Dr. Stiffler,

Circuit very resonant around base frequency of 5.8 MHz, tune for max lighting/which shows up as max differential across resistor.  Bandwidth is a few hundred Khz wide.  We are looking at the pure IR drop across resistor @ RF frequency.  Further down in circuit waveforms identical to yours as shown in your scope shots.  Much higher peak to peak voltages after L/C circuit before and feeding BF open ended coil.  Can show scope shots if you need.

Ben

Hi Dr. Stiffler,

Took me a while to find a way to make viable measurement with LED as indicator/diode in front end and get rid of capacatance effects and to think through exactly what is going on voltage and duty cycle wise in the circuit..

Found with common ground of signal generator/scope, all floating allowed good measurement.

Circuit is identical to basic circuit with L/C on input except a resistor added directly to sig. generator input then a diode connected to L/C circuit all in series..  Thats is all.  See abbreviated schematic attached......quick hand draw

Resistor 150 ohm carbon non inductive.
Signal:  5.8MHz square wave.
Signal input TP-A:  27 V Peak to Peak square wave +/- around ground.
Signal after Resistor TP-B = 23 V Peak to Peak.
Difference across resistor 4V
Actual difference seen from load due to diode 2V
I=E/R=2/150=.0133 MA.
P=EI=2X.0133=26.6 MW/2 for duty cycle=13.3 MW input.

LED Output" 18V across LED's with 10uf also across them for filtering.
Series Current with DVM in series with LED's= 1.8 Ma. (lousy coil!)
P=EI=18X.0018
Power out=32.4 MW.

I'm pretty confident of these readings.  It only gets better with more LED's on the output.  This thing seems a constant current source till it runs out of voltage..........

Your knowledge of how this thing works I Will not question as to bridge mucking up output.  I haven't tested that..............but I suspect you are right.  There is some funky phasing due to the AV plug working both ways and the virtual ground.

Ben

@k4zep

I may stand corrected, but connecting both of the secondaries to a bridge should remove all chance of any amplification.

You just may have hit on something I have not thought of, with your LED in the input, try two with a 1 ohm in between. Try measuring across the resistor as the impedance is lower this way. I did a similar approach with 20 LEDS split with resistor in between. That allowed some confidence in the measurement. Would be interested in the result. If your scope is grounded it of course will not work. An associate used an ac isolation xformer and did a fair job on readings, buy there is still the capacity. Anyway take the worst case, because you know it is really better.

I put the model number of my solar cells on my site. Beware they are expensive as they are commercial.
Do not be afraid to ask, this is why I am here and what I am asking you all to do, that said lets look at what you have.

If the generator will not drive the LEDS direct and you have no inductance, one thing comes to mind. Place 4.7K ohm resistor from your generator to you ground connection, exclusive of the LEDS. In other words the generator Hot lead to one end of the resistor and the other end of the resistor to your ground connection. With a VOM or DVM or DMM measure the voltage across the resistor. Measure both A.C. and D.C. Don't worry about the meters frequency response, I expect to see a high A.C. voltage across the resistor. Even though you tried the inverter arrangement I suspect low level A.C. versus the generator signal.

How all of what I just said is rubbish if you can adjust the frequency to either side and the LEDS dim or go out. Should this be the case I might try a different outlet strip as the one you are using contains harmonic suppression inductors or varistors which could be bleeding into the A.C. hot side.

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Re: Selfrunning cold electricity circuit from Dr.Stiffler
« Reply #431 on: November 02, 2007, 01:39:49 AM »
I cannot say how happy I am to see all this activity happening and the good doc back as well. :)

@Dr.Stiffler,

does your site server support php/mysql because you could run a CMS (Content Management System) on it and greatly ease the way you update your pages? I could help you out with the setup if you need assistance...

@Stefan,

please post your oscillator circuit here so that others may use it, if it proves to produce necessary drive. We really want everyone to be able to easily replicate all the findings so that naysayers have nothing to say. :)

I have built a new simple square wave oscillator (another hack job) by using a combination of two NAND (from 74HC00) and couple of hex-inverter schmitt triggers (from 74HC14) as the output boost. I find it working better in this configuration than flip-flop on its own or the hex-inverters on their own. I'm attaching a mock-up schematics...with this values I get around 10MHz, use your own judgment on filtering the DC power signal, I'm pretty bad at it. Matter a fact if someone can improve on this would be greatly appreciated.

Has someone tried that LTC based oscillator that was posted here couple of pages back yet?

Lastly could someone please tell me how to (properly) wind a 1.1uH L1 because I have not had much luck doing it so far with various online air coil calculators? I find it that using a commercial choke (of unknown inductance value) I had, makes the circuit work, while my own coils don't, grrrr.

Thanks.

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Re: Selfrunning cold electricity circuit from Dr.Stiffler
« Reply #432 on: November 02, 2007, 01:49:34 AM »

Hi Dr. Stiffler,

Circuit very resonant around base frequency of 5.8 MHz, tune for max lighting/which shows up as max differential across resistor.  Bandwidth is a few hundred Khz wide.  We are looking at the pure IR drop across resistor @ RF frequency.  Further down in circuit waveforms identical to yours as shown in your scope shots.  Much higher peak to peak voltages after L/C circuit before and feeding BF open ended coil.  Can show scope shots if you need.

Ben

Hi Dr. Stiffler,

Took me a while to find a way to make viable measurement with LED as indicator/diode in front end and get rid of capacatance effects and to think through exactly what is going on voltage and duty cycle wise in the circuit..

Found with common ground of signal generator/scope, all floating allowed good measurement.

Circuit is identical to basic circuit with L/C on input except a resistor added directly to sig. generator input then a diode connected to L/C circuit all in series..  Thats is all.  See abbreviated schematic attached......quick hand draw

Resistor 150 ohm carbon non inductive.
Signal:  5.8MHz square wave.
Signal input TP-A:  27 V Peak to Peak square wave +/- around ground.
Signal after Resistor TP-B = 23 V Peak to Peak.
Difference across resistor 4V
Actual difference seen from load due to diode 2V
I=E/R=2/150=.0133 MA.
P=EI=2X.0133=26.6 MW/2 for duty cycle=13.3 MW input.

LED Output" 18V across LED's with 10uf also across them for filtering.
Series Current with DVM in series with LED's= 1.8 Ma. (lousy coil!)
P=EI=18X.0018
Power out=32.4 MW.

I'm pretty confident of these readings.  It only gets better with more LED's on the output.  This thing seems a constant current source till it runs out of voltage..........

Your knowledge of how this thing works I Will not question as to bridge mucking up output.  I haven't tested that..............but I suspect you are right.  There is some funky phasing due to the AV plug working both ways and the virtual ground.

Ben

@k4zep

I may stand corrected, but connecting both of the secondaries to a bridge should remove all chance of any amplification.

You just may have hit on something I have not thought of, with your LED in the input, try two with a 1 ohm in between. Try measuring across the resistor as the impedance is lower this way. I did a similar approach with 20 LEDS split with resistor in between. That allowed some confidence in the measurement. Would be interested in the result. If your scope is grounded it of course will not work. An associate used an ac isolation xformer and did a fair job on readings, buy there is still the capacity. Anyway take the worst case, because you know it is really better.

I put the model number of my solar cells on my site. Beware they are expensive as they are commercial.
Do not be afraid to ask, this is why I am here and what I am asking you all to do, that said lets look at what you have.

If the generator will not drive the LEDS direct and you have no inductance, one thing comes to mind. Place 4.7K ohm resistor from your generator to you ground connection, exclusive of the LEDS. In other words the generator Hot lead to one end of the resistor and the other end of the resistor to your ground connection. With a VOM or DVM or DMM measure the voltage across the resistor. Measure both A.C. and D.C. Don't worry about the meters frequency response, I expect to see a high A.C. voltage across the resistor. Even though you tried the inverter arrangement I suspect low level A.C. versus the generator signal.

How all of what I just said is rubbish if you can adjust the frequency to either side and the LEDS dim or go out. Should this be the case I might try a different outlet strip as the one you are using contains harmonic suppression inductors or varistors which could be bleeding into the A.C. hot side.


You have no idea how much I appreciate your work. Great professional job.
When you feel comfortable with what you have done and your understanding which is very, very close to being right on, then you need a decent coil, because the next phase is to move from milli-watts to watts. Just imagine how it will feel to see your calculations showing watts 'OU' ?  But, are not the milli-watts a thrill?

The next phase is driving the incandescent. Then the cream on the cake.... Boy am I happy for you and my selfish self.

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« Reply #433 on: November 02, 2007, 02:03:09 AM »
I cannot say how happy I am to see all this activity happening and the good doc back as well. :)

@Dr.Stiffler,

does your site server support php/mysql because you could run a CMS (Content Management System) on it and greatly ease the way you update your pages? I could help you out with the setup if you need assistance...

@Stefan,

please post your oscillator circuit here so that others may use it, if it proves to produce necessary drive. We really want everyone to be able to easily replicate all the findings so that naysayers have nothing to say. :)

I have built a new simple square wave oscillator (another hack job) by using a combination of two NAND (from 74HC00) and couple of hex-inverter schmitt triggers (from 74HC14) as the output boost. I find it working better in this configuration than flip-flop on its own or the hex-inverters on their own. I'm attaching a mock-up schematics...with this values I get around 10MHz, use your own judgment on filtering the DC power signal, I'm pretty bad at it. Matter a fact if someone can improve on this would be greatly appreciated.

Has someone tried that LTC based oscillator that was posted here couple of pages back yet?

Lastly could someone please tell me how to (properly) wind a 1.1uH L1 because I have not had much luck doing it so far with various online air coil calculators? I find it that using a commercial choke (of unknown inductance value) I had, makes the circuit work, while my own coils don't, grrrr.

Thanks.
One note that I must make for you, your IC drivers are basically current drivers and the output impedance my not be good enough. I tried using SN7400 and no cigar. If you drive from the drain with an inductor by MOSFET may be better. Keep it in mind in case you get poor response.

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Re: Selfrunning cold electricity circuit from Dr.Stiffler
« Reply #434 on: November 02, 2007, 02:14:51 AM »
One note that I must make for you, your IC drivers are basically current drivers and the output impedance my not be good enough. I tried using SN7400 and no cigar. If you drive from the drain with an inductor by MOSFET may be better. Keep it in mind in case you get poor response.

I notice that I can connect only so many LEDs until the light gets dimmer than I'd like it to be. Perhaps a combination of the 74HC00/74HC14 for the signal generation and 2N7000 output buffer might work better?

Thanks