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amigo

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Re: Selfrunning cold electricity circuit from Dr.Stiffler
« Reply #345 on: October 31, 2007, 02:08:45 AM »
Hi Stefan,

Not sure exactly how to use this site, bit rusty.  Here is a photo of my first try at this.  I'm attaching a photo, learning here.  15 LED's, show about 27V @ 3 ma in the circuit.  Note red and black lead at top, that is from sig. gen.  Notice only red lead connected.  No ground anywhere in circuit.  It is pretty well what the Good Doctor specified.

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Hi Ben,

very nice, but have you tried this without the ground lead from the signal generator being so close to the board and to the main red lead?

In my experiments I have noticed that they can interfere with each other and produce anomalous unwanted effects which are not indicative of the true state of the circuit, or it's intended operation.

Just wondering...

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Re: Selfrunning cold electricity circuit from Dr.Stiffler
« Reply #346 on: October 31, 2007, 02:20:40 AM »
Hi Ben,
many thanks for the pictures.
Looks great and also the new picture from Ron.

Ben, what, if you just use 2 LEDs instead of the 1N914 diodes ?


Operation is severely reduced.  You can drive LED's directly as in a AV plug but this circuit works differently than that in the RF front end

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Does it also work for you as it did for me ?

What, if you just drive the ferrite "transformer" directly without the
choke and cap before it ?
 
Without the L/C network driving the Ferrite "Transformer", it works very poorly.  That coil/cap. is very important if you look at what happens to the high impedance input waveform.
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What frequency works best for you ?
It totally depends on the resonance of the circuit, my circuit using the coil/cap that I had in my junk box resonates @ around 5.3 Mhz. I also get considerably more output using a square wave rather than a sine wave but both work. I realize my homemade "ferrite" transformer is an abomination (forgive me Dr. Stiffler) but AM ferrite coils ordered off Ebay have not arrived and will not arrive for a few days so make do with what I have)


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Re: Selfrunning cold electricity circuit from Dr.Stiffler
« Reply #347 on: October 31, 2007, 02:29:08 AM »
Hi Stefan,

Not sure exactly how to use this site, bit rusty.  Here is a photo of my first try at this.  I'm attaching a photo, learning here.  15 LED's, show about 27V @ 3 ma in the circuit.  Note red and black lead at top, that is from sig. gen.  Notice only red lead connected.  No ground anywhere in circuit.  It is pretty well what the Good Doctor specified.

Ben


Hi Ben,

very nice, but have you tried this without the ground lead from the signal generator being so close to the board and to the main red lead?
In my experiments I have noticed that they can interfere with each other and produce anomalous unwanted effects which are not indicative of the true state of the circuit, or it's intended operation.

I just moved it to a woden chair 3 feet from the signal generator and am feeding it with two 2' clip leads in series, (see photo) works the same.  Had to tweek the frequency a few Khz.
There is obviously anomalous couplings in this device relative to large mass objects (our bodies, etc) and is to be expected I think.

Ben




Just wondering...

k4zep

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Re: Selfrunning cold electricity circuit from Dr.Stiffler
« Reply #348 on: October 31, 2007, 02:38:34 AM »
@Ben

Great work. It looks like you have the free ends of the coils plugged into connector strips. You might want to pull them out and let then float. The capacity between then thru the board will kill some of your power. Holding a neon on the secondary while tuning thru the freq. range will show you the HV point.
Normally the more leds you use the better it likes it and allows the voltage to climb across the coil.

Darn, I almost missed and your post, went back up to get better idea what is going on.  Your suggestion to let the ends float.  Just pulled them out after the last picture I posted, retuned, considerably more output!!!!!  The impedance in that front end is HIGH! You are also correct on the more LED's in series, the more the better! My junk box only had red ones! I look forward to your Video #9!!!!!

Thanks
Ben


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Re: Selfrunning cold electricity circuit from Dr.Stiffler
« Reply #349 on: October 31, 2007, 02:40:33 AM »
I just moved it to a woden chair 3 feet from the signal generator and am feeding it with two 2' clip leads in series, (see photo) works the same.  Had to tweek the frequency a few Khz.

Thank you for the test, no doubt in my mind now that I have done something at the time that caused interference to happen.

There is obviously anomalous couplings in this device relative to large mass objects (our bodies, etc) and is to be expected I think.

Would be funny if some day it proves that we (our bodies, beings) are the key to everything and causing all kinds of things to happen :)

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Re: Selfrunning cold electricity circuit from Dr.Stiffler
« Reply #350 on: October 31, 2007, 02:46:44 AM »

There is obviously anomalous couplings in this device relative to large mass objects (our bodies, etc) and is to be expected I think.

Would be funny if some day it proves that we (our bodies, beings) are the key to everything and causing all kinds of things to happen :)

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Actually it is capacitive coupling between you and me and the front end of the circuit, detunes it as we move around, I'm sure Dr. Stifflier could be much more specific in addressing this problem.....Probably need decoupling chokes in the circuit or shielding......although this is about as simple as you can get.

Ben

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Re: Selfrunning cold electricity circuit from Dr.Stiffler
« Reply #351 on: October 31, 2007, 02:49:55 AM »
Actually it is capacitive coupling between you and me and the front end of the circuit, detunes it as we move around, I'm sure Dr. Stifflier could be much more specific in addressing this problem.....Probably need decoupling chokes in the circuit or shielding......although this is about as simple as you can get.

Ben

I did notice that happening and it was irking me because my crummy make-shift function generator is not good, so every time I'd adjust the resonant frequency the circuit would go out of resonance when I moved my hand away from the board.

Although my comment was related to more aetheric matters :D

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Re: Selfrunning cold electricity circuit from Dr.Stiffler
« Reply #352 on: October 31, 2007, 02:57:01 AM »
Actually it is capacitive coupling between you and me and the front end of the circuit, detunes it as we move around, I'm sure Dr. Stifflier could be much more specific in addressing this problem.....Probably need decoupling chokes in the circuit or shielding......although this is about as simple as you can get.

Ben

I did notice that happening and it was irking me because my crummy make-shift function generator is not good, so every time I'd adjust the resonant frequency the circuit would go out of resonance when I moved my hand away from the board.

Although my comment was related to more aetheric matters :D

Amigo,
do you use any blocking caps on the power supply lines ?

Use a few 100 nF caps and also a 100 uF cap on the power supply
lines at your circuit, so the power supply voltage stays stable.
This will help to avoid the frequency to get detuned.

This is very important with RF circuits.

Regards, Stefan.

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Re: Selfrunning cold electricity circuit from Dr.Stiffler
« Reply #353 on: October 31, 2007, 03:02:58 AM »
Amigo,
do you use any blocking caps on the power supply lines ?

Use a few 100 nF caps and also a 100 uF cap on the power supply
lines at your circuit, so the power supply voltage stays stable.
This will help to avoid the frequency to get detuned.

This is very important with RF circuits.

Regards, Stefan.


Hi Stefan,

Actually, I am knowingly using Gel and standard batteries so these kinds of problems shouldn't occur, no?

Thanks.

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Re: Selfrunning cold electricity circuit from Dr.Stiffler
« Reply #354 on: October 31, 2007, 03:18:17 AM »


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Hi Stefan,

Actually, I am knowingly using Gel and standard batteries so these kinds of problems shouldn't occur, no?

Thanks.

Surely you need this also with just using batteries !

Even more, cause batteries have higher inner resistances !

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Re: Selfrunning cold electricity circuit from Dr.Stiffler-BATTERY ADDED
« Reply #355 on: October 31, 2007, 04:46:34 AM »
Hi All,

Speaking of batteries, have replaced my 15 LED's with a 5Ah 12VDC Gel Cell battery.  Starting voltage is 12.44 VDC. In 30 min, voltage has risen to 12.47VDC.  Iron vane meter indicates 3+ milliamps in the 2-1N914/meter/battery circuit. Just to see if the current was real, it is!  Just a peanut whistle but still a start!  Will let it run all night, Its late, going to bed.  What fun......Lots to try tomorrow.  Need to build a real driver!

Ben K4ZEP

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Re: Selfrunning cold electricity circuit from Dr.Stiffler
« Reply #356 on: October 31, 2007, 05:01:09 AM »
I uploaded a video at http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eN-WGgUkOvY
I am using a HP 3312a Function generator at 10v PP. One lead connected to the whole circuit and one house ground. The other lead from the Fun.Gen is connected to NOTHING.

Please, if someone will criticize me, please, do a good job because I dont care. It works very nicely thanks to Dr. Stiffler for helping me to get here.

This is a very simplified and interesting thing. I would like to know why it works though if anyone can explain, after replicating only. This is SO SIMPLE that NO ONE  can complain about how to do it!

In this video and pics I did not show input and output measurents but would be willing to show in the next setup, or even better, could someone replicate (since it is so simple) and post it?.

It also works with other function generators such as  PM5131 from Philips at around its maximun 2Mhz. I also did this simple setup without the ground connection using a coil but for simplicity sakes I posted this one with nothing but LEDs and the function generator.


Fausto.
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Re: Selfrunning cold electricity circuit from Dr.Stiffler
« Reply #357 on: October 31, 2007, 05:08:54 AM »
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« Reply #358 on: October 31, 2007, 05:24:20 AM »
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Re: Selfrunning cold electricity circuit from Dr.Stiffler
« Reply #359 on: October 31, 2007, 05:33:21 AM »
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(Sorry for some many posts. I dont know Yet how to do everything in one post). I pronnouced Drs Stiffler's name wrongly on the video and my apologies. I totally respect this gentleman for his work and willingness to post his work on the net. I hope we progress in this technology.

For the others that will shoot me for my ignorance, dont waiste your time please. Show me where we are missing the point and the erros on the system. That would be helpfull. Do not ask to change this and that and test this and that. I think that reading 100 posts to get to this point is not helpfull after you critics fill this pages with nothing but criticism. Do it yourself, get some results, some experiences and experimentations and ONLY THAN criticize constructively.

@everyone
I really respect everyones here in this forum concerning real questions and quests for the truth.

I only posted here because I thought what I have shown to be relevant to Dr. Stiffler's work. If i am making grave mistakes about this design, please correct me.

Fausto.