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Author Topic: F.B.D.I.S.S.M - Flux.Boosted.Dual.Induction.Split.Spiral.Motor.  (Read 184158 times)

Honk

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Re: F.B.D.I.S.S.M - Flux.Boosted.Dual.Induction.Split.Spiral.Motor.
« Reply #225 on: August 17, 2008, 09:51:50 AM »
Hi.

Let me help you with some misconceptions.
It's not an Electro Magnet Motor, it's called a Magnetic Wankel Motor.
In my case the proper technical name would be Dual Induction Split Spiral Motor.
You should know that building one of these motors take a lot of money, and then you need
to be very skilled in both mechanics and electronics. There is no shortcut in these matters.
If you want a lot of power output, enough for the average villa, you need to build it really big.
Once I'm ready I will tell about my findings. Until then you will have to wait. Stay tuned. ;D

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« Reply #226 on: August 17, 2008, 12:02:57 PM »
Hi.

Let me help you with some misconceptions.
It's not an Electro Magnet Motor, it's called a Magnetic Wankel Motor.
In my case the proper technical name would be Dual Induction Split Spiral Motor.
You should know that building one of these motors take a lot of money, and then you need
to be very skilled in both mechanics and electronics. There is no shortcut in these matters.
If you want a lot of power output, enough for the average villa, you need to build it really big.
Once I'm ready I will tell about my findings. Until then you will have to wait. Stay tuned. ;D

Hi Honk

Thumbs Up!

helmut

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« Reply #227 on: August 18, 2008, 03:13:17 AM »
Hi Honk:
   I will agree with the big part. If you build it small, then it will be a toy to play with.
If you want any kind of real output, it will have to be sized to handle the load you
anticipate with a little room on top.
   Great controller as usual, looking forward.

thaelin



Hi.

Let me help you with some misconceptions.
It's not an Electro Magnet Motor, it's called a Magnetic Wankel Motor.
In my case the proper technical name would be Dual Induction Split Spiral Motor.
You should know that building one of these motors take a lot of money, and then you need
to be very skilled in both mechanics and electronics. There is no shortcut in these matters.
If you want a lot of power output, enough for the average villa, you need to build it really big.
Once I'm ready I will tell about my findings. Until then you will have to wait. Stay tuned. ;D

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« Reply #228 on: August 18, 2008, 10:17:26 PM »
Keep up the good work Honk.  While many of us arm-chair mechanics would love to post and offer help, my 2 degrees in Mathematics shows myself quite clearly to sit back and watch all the cool work of those on this forum. heck this might be my first post.....you seemed fluster a few pages back.  Just wanted to show support.


 ;D

Keep on rolling!!!


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« Reply #229 on: August 18, 2008, 11:49:57 PM »
@Locnar

Welcome to the forum!

@Honk

I also follow this thread... keep up the great work!

Jason

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Re: F.B.D.I.S.S.M - Flux.Boosted.Dual.Induction.Split.Spiral.Motor.
« Reply #230 on: August 20, 2008, 12:35:57 AM »
what happend if think in 3D, adding Z axis to the ramp system?
think in that please, left the 2D systems

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« Reply #231 on: August 20, 2008, 07:36:23 AM »
Hi

Thanks all for great works and invention

I have little trouble open .femm, .fem file
could someone please tell me what software used to open it?


Honk

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Re: F.B.D.I.S.S.M - Flux.Boosted.Dual.Induction.Split.Spiral.Motor.
« Reply #232 on: August 20, 2008, 08:02:48 AM »

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« Reply #233 on: August 20, 2008, 08:12:23 AM »
Thanks a lot Honk for  your  very kindly help...I really appreciate your works alot
Hope you succeed your project soon and share us here the result.


Br.
« Last Edit: August 20, 2008, 09:02:34 AM by babieintown »

dieter

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« Reply #234 on: August 24, 2008, 04:43:11 AM »
This reminds me very much of the Adams Pulse Motor. There the stator was made of a steel rod. The magnets on the rotor were attracted by those rods. When they reached a parallel position, the copper coils that were wrapped around the steel rods were pulsed for a milisecond by a reed contact, resulting in repelling the magnets, passing by the sticky spots.
The E-Magnet was powered by a 1.5 V recharchable battery (at least in one test run). I think the BEMF then refilled the battery frequrently. Nonetheless it used to run only for a couple of hours.

I even found some pics of the mentioned experiment: http://www.melog.ch/adams/

Honk

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« Reply #235 on: August 24, 2008, 09:18:53 AM »
You cannot refill anything from BEMF because there is always hysteresis, eddy currents and copper loss within a coil.
Every bit of loss is responsible for getting less power back than is put in. Thus no OU by returning BEMF.
I guess the Adams Pulse Motor just run for as long as it took for the battery to get drained.

What I don't really understand is why almost every inventer of free energy believe in BEMF being the key.
Almost none that I have read about actually connected a generator the shaft of their motors and then tried to
make it run in closed loop by rectifying and returning the generator output to the drive circuit.
The Bedini motor is propably the best example of not being tested in a motor to generator closed loop.
http://www.mail-archive.com/vortex-l@eskimo.com/msg25711.html
In this link they talk about measuring the Bedini motor shaft output. It is the same as using a generator.

I can tell you all that using regular soild iron as a coil core will only release half the input power back in the inductive kickback.
Using more advanced materials like MPP powder cores you will get a lot more back but never more than you put in. Never!!!
So far, the only viable free energy devices possible is the ones that use a magnetic gradient to accomplish torque.
But you have build it correctly and big enough, use good materials, and the real key is the timing of the pulse (when overcoming
the sticky spot) to not loose to much energy by unnecessary long pulses. And don't forget the generator...... ;D

This guy is getting close but his main problem is that he doesn't really know much about electronics. But his motor is cool.
http://www.youtube.com/profile_videos?user=mcorrade

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« Reply #236 on: September 08, 2008, 10:03:59 PM »
Out of curiosity, why is it required in the design to  use a pulley driven generator, why not design your own generator to operate off the same shaft?  Are you using a ration with the pulleys?  They cost you a lot of friction.  If you do use pulleys, I suggest a timing pulley with timing belt instead of v belt.  The timing belt can operate with less tension(belt friction).

I suggest that you incorporate a round plate attached to the shaft in the same diameter of the inner section diameter of the 2  rows magnets.  On the plate mount one tiny magnet, then mount 8 hall sensors onto a fixed plate at 45 degrees exactly, whereas the rotating plate causes the tiny magnet to pass by the hall sensors.

The hall sensor outputs a pulse to a microprocessor which then calculates and displays on TV or LCD the average speed, acceleration, any sticky points along the 8 separate measurements it takes.  The processor controls precision timing of the pulses to the electromagnets, with compensation for acceleration and decel. 

With the processor, any control needed for PWM, pulse duration,  phase control of electromagnets, etc is managed easily.

I use the processor called the Propeller by Parallax.  80mhz, 32 i/o, with 8 processors on board, more than enough power and speed to manage the motor with minimal power consumption. An optical encoder on a shaft could make for more even more tighter precision of timing.

If I were developing a motor from scratch,  microprocessor controls and monitoring of feedback would be of utmost importance.

I have also considered whether the 2 magnet rows should not be capable of swivel, if not even motorized swivel for fine tuning and testing.








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« Reply #237 on: September 08, 2008, 10:58:18 PM »
Out of curiosity, why is it required in the design to use a pulley driven generator, why not design your own generator to operate off the same shaft?

No, it's not required. Where did you get that idea?. You should know that I have more than enough labor in my motor alone.
Designing and building a generator as well will just take even more time. And the genererator is not the important key factor of the motor.
In later versions the incorporated generator is probably a good idea. But there could be other scenarios where a pulley driven generator is better.
« Last Edit: September 08, 2008, 11:53:31 PM by Honk »

Paul-R

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« Reply #238 on: September 09, 2008, 03:48:31 PM »
You cannot refill anything from BEMF because there is always hysteresis, eddy currents and copper loss within a coil.
Every bit of loss is responsible for getting less power back than is put in. Thus no OU by returning BEMF.
I guess the Adams Pulse Motor just run for as long as it took for the battery to get drained.
Adams motors have achieved COP=8, but much depends on understanding that the pulse in the coil
is not to attract or repel, but merely to cancel out the effect of the rod once it has done its work
by attracting the magnet. The current in the coil makes the rod go away, if you follow me. The capture of
BEMF with capacitors and returning, often to a battery is important top teh COP outcome.
Paul.

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« Reply #239 on: September 09, 2008, 07:26:06 PM »
Hi Paul.

COP8, this seems just to good to be true and yet it's forgotten by the world.
The energy community ought to scream of delightment and start replicating at once.
Do you have a direct link to the performance and accurate output measurements.
Having COP 8 would easily let it run in self runner mode without any doupts about the verification.

In the setups of the Adams motor I've seen there are large areas of just air without having the rods
close enough to be attracted efficiently. Seems like a lot of torque waste.
But perhaps I just saw the bad version!

Adams motors have achieved COP=8, but much depends on understanding that the pulse in the coil
is not to attract or repel, but merely to cancel out the effect of the rod once it has done its work
by attracting the magnet. The current in the coil makes the rod go away, if you follow me. The capture of
BEMF with capacitors and returning, often to a battery is important top teh COP outcome.
Paul.