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Offline BEP

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Re: TPU - General Discussion
« Reply #75 on: October 05, 2007, 04:35:45 AM »
@Grumpy

Like I've said before 'I've been able to make these things do almost anything people say they can do but making extra power isn't one of them' - Yet!

For now the jumpers stay on the caps for that one. One thing I have learned since then - don't rely on designed-in limitations. If you have a longitudinal resonant device expect it to have a multitude of resonant frequencies - not just one!

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Re: TPU - General Discussion
« Reply #76 on: October 05, 2007, 06:25:40 AM »
It was meant to be a sort of Manhattan-type project where SM was supposed to PERSONALLY show up and guide us, as long as the forum was secure enough, which it was. But, SM never showed, due in part to his one letter about his meeting with gov officials which scared him to death.

@tao
What letter about his meeting with government officials? Can you post a link to it?

So SM bottled, yet again, amazing! Makes you wonder if he really did use batteries... In the time since the original grainy videos were posted here far more progress has been made on how he might have faked them than anything else? The Pied Piper anyone?


I know we should not expect him to give the TPU to us on a plate, but after all the stuff in his letters to mannix regarding his respect for UEC and their rights, and now we find out this... it seems somewhat hypocritical and like he is just arsing everyone around with BS. Since it also appears that he has tried to obscure the working of the TPU, as much as explain it, as well as purposefully obscuring the design of his devices by adding false components on some of them...

In his letters to mannix he states he will supply a coil diagram... well he didn't...

At some point he should put up or shut up... but then he appears to have shut up, no surprises there... it is a shame the weakest link is right at the start!

Acerzw
« Last Edit: October 05, 2007, 07:17:11 AM by acerzw »

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Re: TPU - General Discussion
« Reply #77 on: October 05, 2007, 07:34:13 AM »
@tao
What letter about his meeting with government officials? Can you post a link to it?

So SM bottled, yet again, amazing! Makes you wonder if he really did use batteries... In the time since the original grainy videos were posted here far more progress has been made on how he might have faked them than anything else? The Pied Piper anyone?


I know we should not expect him to give the TPU to us on a plate, but after all the stuff in his letters to mannix regarding his respect for UEC and their rights, and now we find out this... it seems somewhat hypocritical and like he is just arsing everyone around with BS. Since it also appears that he has tried to obscure the working of the TPU, as much as explain it, as well as purposefully obscuring the design of his devices by adding false components on some of them...

In his letters to mannix he states he will supply a coil diagram... well he didn't...

At some point he should put up or shut up... but then he appears to have shut up, no surprises there... it is a shame the weakest link is right at the start!

Acerzw


I believe that the TPU is authentic, considering everything known.

You really have to see SM's many letters to Mannix to see his plights. I don't have the link to the letters yet.

In regards to batteries, SM openly admitted to us that he DID use a battery, but ONLY as a mechanism for better control and EASE in the INITIAL STARTING of his devices, which again, makes perfect sense. You can even hear it in SM's voice when the videographer asks him if the OPEN TPU has a battery in it, SM seems surprised that he asked and he quickly says 'NO', and then changes the subject. But again, having one 9V battery doesn't mean fake, it means it's real...

It is true about the diagram, we never got that. Given a diagram I think we would have already easily solved the TPU. Then again, SM's 'descriptive layout' as I have been referring to it, is LIKE a verbal coil diagram, so he kind of gave us one :P
« Last Edit: October 05, 2007, 08:43:29 AM by tao »

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Re: TPU - General Discussion
« Reply #78 on: October 05, 2007, 10:07:00 AM »
Hi,

Magnetostriction and phonon emission plays a role in a TPU , but we need also have a right magnetic field strenght, because electron spin precession frequency depends on external magnetic field strenght. With a right spin precession frequency  / input pulse frequency combination we can make spin precession to wobble. This wobble effect in a spin precession is a method to pump energy from the external magnetic field. Bias magnet is useful here, and we can pump energy also from earth`s magnetic field.

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Re: TPU - General Discussion
« Reply #79 on: October 05, 2007, 10:51:57 AM »
I remember when it was mentioned that when a running tpu was put in a bath of water it was a complete disaster because  in the air some give to the vibration is allowed and the water did not allow it.

a very interesting discussion here.


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Re: TPU - General Discussion
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Re: TPU - General Discussion
« Reply #80 on: October 05, 2007, 01:47:56 PM »
@z_p_e, tao, BEP & all

Please see this post:

http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,3279.msg53042.html#msg53042

and then my subsequent post on that thread, I would appreciate your comments on my idea for the main coil construction.

Kind Regards

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Re: TPU - General Discussion
« Reply #81 on: October 05, 2007, 01:55:07 PM »
Thank you Mannix.

I believe that little bit of information is very helpful and I had not heard that.  Thinking of it this way, vibration can be cause or effect, or both.  If it were simply the by product of what was going on in the TPU, one would think that damping those vibrations would not make any difference, or perhaps only a small one.  If the operating principle were dependant on those vibrations, at 7.3 times a second on the small unit, the one could easily see why liquid damping would be a disaster.

That would seem to limit the possabilites somewhat to the motis operendi of the TPU.  It would also suggest that he was looking for the vibration effect (as in Marco's dancing magnet experiment) found close to the Shummans to further the power output.  It is mentioned by a person who attended a demonstration, that he "tuned too" 7.23 Hz.  Of course he used high frequency for the F!,2 and 3.  Thus the conundrum.

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Re: TPU - General Discussion
« Reply #82 on: October 05, 2007, 02:01:52 PM »
Might not the water also cool the coil and thus reduce whatever effect is being used, which would of course reduce the vibration as a secondary symptom...

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Re: TPU - General Discussion
« Reply #83 on: October 05, 2007, 02:17:21 PM »
Acer,

You should have the full story before bashing SM around. Give the man a break folks! Yes he was profusely "warned" about divulging TPU information....we should respect the fact that he continued to do so regardless, albeit in a metaphoric manner, but much better than nothing.

I am really tiring of seeing negative remarks about SM and the TPU. IMHO, if folks have these kinds of doubts about an inventor, they should move on to something else. This is certainly what I do. SM's and UEC's apparent motivations are of no importance to the end goal. Things are the way they are, like it or not. More clear info would be nice, but that's a given. Let's focus on understanding the TPU, and not on why SM did this or didn't do that.

Regarding your build theory and Ronotte's analysis; I have always seen and assumed that the two solid white areas at the top and bottom of the cutout section were wood formers. So, I have no comment regarding the material/layout theory.

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Re: TPU - General Discussion
« Reply #84 on: October 05, 2007, 03:42:22 PM »
I remember when it was mentioned that when a running tpu was put in a bath of water it was a complete disaster because  in the air some give to the vibration is allowed and the water did not allow it.

a very interesting discussion here.



Hi Mannix,

Do you have more information what happened when tpu was put in a bath of water?
Electrons magnetic moment in a external magnetic field causes a precession that is similar to water vortex effect caused by gravity when water flows in a tube downwards.

Magnetic force is a flow of dark energy ( zpe ) and is a static field. If we are able to wobble electron spin precession with a current pulse, we can have energy from zpe, energy from spin flips, when electron precession is aligned again to be parallel with an external magnetic field lines ( zpe flow ) during pulses.

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Re: TPU - General Discussion
« Reply #85 on: October 05, 2007, 04:15:11 PM »
I remember when it was mentioned that when a running tpu was put in a bath of water it was a complete disaster because  in the air some give to the vibration is allowed and the water did not allow it.

a very interesting discussion here.

Let's all keep in mind also that water (pure, distilled) is an excellent dielectric - best around.

Tap water usually conducts OK do to the mineerals dissolved in it, hence no longer a dielectric.

Water is different "magnetically".

Water can store enormous electrical potential.

Changing the physical properties if the environment has a huge impact on the things in it, especially if they depend on it.

The fields/potentials at work in the TPU would probably undergo a radical change in a different medium (water vs air).  Place a light and a battery in water and it stays lit.  Drop a light in water on the end of an extension cord and BAM!

So, what type of water?  and what type of disaster?  I suspect all Hell broke loose, but perhaps not immediately.

Dosn't matter.  This is a huge clue.  Huge.

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« Reply #86 on: October 05, 2007, 04:41:27 PM »
a question at what freq range do you see thease effects in the hho units ?

now what might happin if you take the water away from the system and do it with rings in air  hummmm........

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« Reply #87 on: October 05, 2007, 06:39:45 PM »
Water is diamagnetic and dipolar. Different magnetic and electric field strengths will produce different effects.
<correction - it can be dia or paramagnetic or both - depends on too many things>

These could have ranged form vortex creation or fast evaporation to instant conversion to H and O and a massive explosion. If the polarities were right the TPU may have simply blown the water out of the tub or sucked it out and drenched everyone.
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« Reply #88 on: October 06, 2007, 01:37:14 AM »
Hi all.

Just wanted to put this QAT up on this thread so you don't have to go back to see what he said during this demo.

QAT - Quotes, actions and time-stamps.
Comments will be in ( ).

START
34:07 (Opening scene in the garage.)

"This is my larger device.
Again, there's not really alot to it."

34:14 (Shows the lamps. Lamp talk.)

34:29 (He picks up the tpu without any hesitation. First grab. He knows the TPU is off.)

"Now this is the device here, that I am going to demonstrate to you.
Again, there is very very little to this device.
Wire is very important.
Coil operation is here. (He points to the silver box between the rings.)
And, if there were any batteries in here, they are very very very very small. Obviously."
(He is asked by the cameraman), "Are there any?".
(Caught off guard, he answers in a low murmur) "no".
(And quickly proceeds.)

"Now, we're going to start the device by again taking TWO VERY SMALL MAGNETS and placing them here on the receptors I have for them. The meter here is set on zero. Zero voltage. It's set at 200 volts DC. It's the meter range. It's now receiving zero voltage.

Again this unit is, is ahhh, vibrating probably around, an inherent vibration right around 6000 hertz.

First this is where I monitor voltage output here, and the device is putting out 91.1 volts, 91.0 volts, right around 91 volts.

Now to show you the current of this device.....
(He goes on talking about the multi-plug box, puts bulbs into the lamps, plugs them into the wall outlet to show the lamp brightness)

37:27 (While plugging the lamps into the plug box)

"When these are lit again it's going to be different because instead of 120 volts alternating current this device puts out 91.2 volts direct current. Actually it is an alternating current right around, ahhh, 6000 hertz. But for all intents and purposes it will show up as DC. That's why the meter is set on DC. 91.2 volts. So, the plug is in here. (plugs the first light) And look, we have electricity. And we'll give you one here. (Plugs the second light.) Again, we have electricity.

(Tells the cameraman) Come and pan across here to see what's happening.

Again I want to show you that, we'll move this box over here (moves the bulb box to the ledge) I want to show you these wires (holds the lamp wires and points to the tpu) traveling directly from this device, through here (points to the plug box) into these two lamps were we have two 60 watts light bulbs functioning. 91.2 volts is the constant voltage output according to this meter right here."

38:32 (He feels the tpu three times lightly and on the third time, he picks it up. He was expecting it to be HOT. Hot enough to want to check the heat before actually lifting it.)

"There's nothing around this machine. These things do put out a little heat. There's nothing anywhere around here, on this device, that could obviously generate 100 volts of electricity and 120 watts of power. There's no batteries. There certainly is not a computer capacitor inside this device that could generate this kind of electricity. Not possibly a battery small enough to fit inside this device that could possibly generate the amount of electricity necessary to light these two regular electric lamps."

"So... Thank you for giving me the opportunity to show you this video tape and what I have made so far. I will be producing video tapes of larger equipment that I have powered with such devices. I have a device slightly larger than this which will operate, uhhh, puts out about 200 volts of electric power at 20 amps. So as I continue to work on my project, I continue to be able to develop more electric power from the Earths natural electro-magnetic field."

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« Reply #89 on: October 06, 2007, 04:28:39 AM »
Esa,

That was the only reference to the importance of the meduim of air and it was in reply to alternate cooling methods that were discussed. I suggested using teflon hollow tube with refrigerant gas as a cooling method and it was agreed that it could be a good solution that was not yet explored.

It does suggest that during full operation the control coils may be  vibrating back and forth on the collector.

wether it is 7.3 ,5000,or 35,000 who knows?  They get hot..and NOT as a by product of current drawn...counter intuitive ...I Know !

I have always been convinced that it is the tpu config which is the "active" component.
Smashing slow dirty pulses of random spectrum square waves will just create noise.

Sine...or perhaps a ramp signal (as in tv scan coils) (as in a discharging cap) can be the only method  of  excitation as far as I can see. and i wont mention the devices that must be used to experiment with here.

Darren,
you took the words right out of my mouth.

Some "contributions" seem to offer less than nothing but out put of grief, failure and lack of responsibility....been there!. When we feel like that we should just back off  let the others get on with the great work that they are doing  rather that post.

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