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Offline z_p_e

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TPU - General Discussion
« on: October 02, 2007, 05:32:43 AM »
For those who may still be puzzled as to why UEC has not released any information that may lead to the controller patent numbers, consider the following:

Anyone that has watched the videos and was "on the ball" at the time, would know that there are at least two sections where the audio track was edited to remove something Steven said. The edits were intentional, and the "something", although likely not all-revealing, obviously contained clues that would greatly aid anyone seeking to crack the TPU's secret. It is unfortunate that these edits were done, but  it was obviously in UEC's best interest according to their game/business plan.

The available videos have obviously been severely degraded in quality...again on purpose.

Do you see a pattern forming?

Next are the patents. Yes patents are public domain (we all understand that), but that doesn't mean they have to be "announced" publicly, or assigned to someone or some party that with a little research, would lead us to their discovery. This apparently is what UEC is doing, or not doing as is the case here. They are purposely withholding any information that could lead to the discovery of the patents, and imo, anyone who thinks that the patents would be worthless, or of little value, only need to realize the fact that UEC doesn't want them known, and it must be for a very good reason.

So UEC has gone out of their way to:

1) Edit out clues uttered by Steven Mark in the videos.
2) Severely degrade the quality of the videos.
3) Purposely withhold information that could lead to the discovery of the patents.
4) Put a kibosh on what Steven may discuss publicly about the TPU device.

Why have they done all this?

Two reasons immediately come to mind:

1) To protect UEC's IP investment.
2) Because the device's technology is perhaps new and novel, but not that difficult or complicated.

It can't be that difficult or complicated. LOOK AT THE DEVICES! I would even go out on a limb and say that most folks are achieving overkill in terms of complexity and "drive power".

My intention here is not to poo poo UEC, but rather to point out the possible reasons for the actions they have taken regarding the TPU and the lack and quality of information surrounding it. Hopefully it will also put a damper on the constant and mis-guided re-discoveries of the so-called Steven Mark patents.

Cheers,
Darren

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TPU - General Discussion
« on: October 02, 2007, 05:32:43 AM »

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Re: TPU - General Discussion
« Reply #1 on: October 02, 2007, 05:45:17 AM »
 i have to agree , from watching the videos over and over the device does not look complicated at all, yet in the forums ive never seem so much complication going on, no im not saying i have the know how to make one :P , im just saying it looks simple but it seems to be being made out to be very very complicated.

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Re: TPU - General Discussion
« Reply #2 on: October 02, 2007, 09:28:19 AM »
z_p_e

Changing the videos. Do you know after what date. I have copies of the google videos dated back to Nov 9th, 2006.

If it is possible to identify the date of such changes, you can also presume any hints he gave here after that date would be more intentional dissinformation.

Things like on the UEC video he says " I'm turning on the primary frequency, and now the secondary frequency". But to the forum he says there are three frequencies saying "apply the first, the second then the third".

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Re: TPU - General Discussion
« Reply #3 on: October 02, 2007, 02:32:34 PM »
wattsup.

I have no doubts about the authenticity of SM and the TPU, therefore I am not the best person to be discussing "fake" theories with.

In regards to the use of the "primary" and "secondary" frequencies, I've mentioned this before, but no one seems to catch on.

The minimum number of collectors for a working TPU is one. The first TPU1 unit has one collector, one feedback coil. The TPU2 unit has 4 collectors and 4 feedback coils (4 TPU1's integrated into one package). The cut TPU had 2 collectors, but I am uncertain of how many feedback coils it had. The larger 17" TPU most likely has 2 collectors as well, judging by the fact that two feedback coils are present (the two small toroids).

So the TPU17 contains 2 separate TPU units in one package. Each operates at its own set of 3 frequencies. All 6 frequencies are related. This is for better control of higher power units. Primary frequencies = F1, F2, F3; Secondary frequencies = F4, F5, F6.

You could have as many collector coils or complete separate units that you like in one package, but it would become increasingly difficult to control. 3 units is probably a practical maximum, but certainly not required to make it operational.


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Re: TPU - General Discussion
« Reply #4 on: October 02, 2007, 03:41:16 PM »
Darren hi,

I still think it all boils down to knowing what the famous kick exactly is. We know we have to create hundreds of thousands of them but still don't know what they are! Also we almost know for sure that they are created by the rotating magnetic field at near light speed. Is this what the kick is? The light speed magnetic field "kicking" the free electrons forward through the collector?? 
Once we know WHAT it is we probably know what to do to reproduce them in mass numbers.....

regards

Robert 

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Re: TPU - General Discussion
« Reply #4 on: October 02, 2007, 03:41:16 PM »
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Re: TPU - General Discussion
« Reply #5 on: October 02, 2007, 06:17:32 PM »
Hi Robert.

I agree with you on all counts, but consider this:

1) Are the kicks created by the RMF, or is the RMF created by the kicks?

2) The kicks and RMF are not necessarily co-dependent ;)

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Re: TPU - General Discussion
« Reply #6 on: October 02, 2007, 09:48:32 PM »
Hi Robert.

I agree with you on all counts, but consider this:

1) Are the kicks created by the RMF, or is the RMF created by the kicks?

2) The kicks and RMF are not necessarily co-dependent ;)

Hi Darren,

I'm pretty sure it is like the RMF creates the kicks. I say this because SM tells us how IT IS possible to create a RMF with the right combination of frequencies. That basically tells us that is what the three frequwencies are for; creating the RMF. Therefore it only leaves the option of the kicks beiong created from the RMF. It also matches better with the examples of the magnet swiping over a wire that SM has given.

Robert

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« Reply #7 on: October 02, 2007, 11:26:49 PM »
Why have they done all this?

Two reasons immediately come to mind:

1) To protect UEC's IP investment.
2) Because the device's technology is perhaps new and novel, but not that difficult or complicated.

It can't be that difficult or complicated. LOOK AT THE DEVICES! I would even go out on a limb and say that most folks are achieving overkill in terms of complexity and "drive power".

Cheers,
Darren
wattsup.

I have no doubts about the authenticity of SM and the TPU, therefore I am not the best person to be discussing "fake" theories with.

In regards to the use of the "primary" and "secondary" frequencies, I've mentioned this before, but no one seems to catch on.

The minimum number of collectors for a working TPU is one. The first TPU1 unit has one collector, one feedback coil. The TPU2 unit has 4 collectors and 4 feedback coils (4 TPU1's integrated into one package). The cut TPU had 2 collectors, but I am uncertain of how many feedback coils it had. The larger 17" TPU most likely has 2 collectors as well, judging by the fact that two feedback coils are present (the two small toroids).

So the TPU17 contains 2 separate TPU units in one package. Each operates at its own set of 3 frequencies. All 6 frequencies are related. This is for better control of higher power units. Primary frequencies = F1, F2, F3; Secondary frequencies = F4, F5, F6.

You could have as many collector coils or complete separate units that you like in one package, but it would become increasingly difficult to control. 3 units is probably a practical maximum, but certainly not required to make it operational.


Nice synopsis...

I agree with your points, especially the 'drive power' one...

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« Reply #8 on: October 02, 2007, 11:42:36 PM »
I like this re-assesment of the TPU Darren.  We need to do that once in a while.

We need to step back and re-assess what we know.

We need to step back and re-assess the theories.

We need to step back and re-view the videos.

Periodicaly!!!   LOL  :)

EM

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« Reply #9 on: October 02, 2007, 11:48:13 PM »
I like this re-assesment of the TPU Darren.  We need to do that once in a while.

We need to step back and re-assess what we know.

We need to step back and re-assess the theories.

We need to step back and re-view the videos.

Periodicaly!!!   LOL  :)

EM

I've been doing that for some years now, LOL...

One day my friends, we will solve it...

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« Reply #10 on: October 03, 2007, 12:05:17 AM »
Surely from this it would make sense to try to replicate the simplest one coil / one collector tpu first, since it should be easier than the later versions which, apart from the 17", appear to be modular progressions? Replicate the simple one first and the others will follow...

I do not want to distract from the technical discussion too much but...

I would also ask, since I do not know of the source of these grainy videos, were they released by UEC, and if so for what purpose as they do not appear to be developing the tpu? If they were not released by UEC then who released them and do they not have access to the high quality originals? Did anyone try to contact the source when they were released?

Also no-one still has proven that any patents exist, hidden or otherwise, SM is a shady character working with the lab assistant who ripped of John Searle, so his word is worth nothing when he says there are patents! If it is replicated will UEC not be forced to reveal the patents, if they exist, in order to defend their rights to the TPU? Since they are not developing the TPU, why would they even bother to patent it, which would cost a lot of money, if their intention is to kill it patents would not really help at this stage...

Also am I correct in stating that no one has even proven the existence of UEC as a corporate entity? Might it not have been something setup by SM to attract investors, or even a scam for that matter?

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« Reply #11 on: October 03, 2007, 12:07:20 AM »
Can we summarise the know facts about the simple tpu in order to clarify and focus the replications efforts? I would be tempted to try replicating it given a decent list of knows or good guesses to start from...

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« Reply #12 on: October 03, 2007, 03:58:05 PM »
In one of the videos,  SM says that the unit vibrates at 7.3 Hz

Can you tell a 7.1 Hz vibration from a 7.4 Hz vibration?

I can't, and neither can SM, so why does he say 7.3 Hz?

Possibilities:

1)   He measured it with a scope/transducer, etc..

2)   He quotes the number since it's the Schumann resonance (or close to it)  AND HIS TPU WAS DESIGNED TO TAP THAT FREQUENCY


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« Reply #13 on: October 03, 2007, 04:10:38 PM »
In one of the videos,  SM says that the unit vibrates at 7.3 Hz

Can you tell a 7.1 Hz vibration from a 7.4 Hz vibration?

I can't, and neither can SM, so why does he say 7.3 Hz?

Possibilities:

1)   He measured it with a scope/transducer, etc..

2)   He quotes the number since it's the Schumann resonance (or close to it)  AND HIS TPU WAS DESIGNED TO TAP THAT FREQUENCY


EM


I agree on those points too, 100%. Plus, considering marco's dancing magnet at 7.8Hz, and the references to the Schumann at 7.8Hz, one has to wonder why SM said 7.3Hz...

Yet in still, he must have designed it or measured it to know it is vibrating at such a value...

Considering his 'tuning off' talk, one might suggest that 7.3Hz is sufficiently 'tuned off' of the direct Schumann at 7.8Hz...

Then again, he says it VIBRATES PHYSICALLY at 7.3Hz, whereas in the other videos when he says 5000Hz/6000Hz, he is talking about it's output being DC with a slight frequency of 5000Hz/6000Hz. This means that the other devices could very well be VIBRATING PHYSICALLY at 7.3Hz too...

So, the physical side-effect of SM's 'conversion process' seems very close to the 'enhanced' physical vibration in macro's magnets nearer 7.8Hz.

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« Reply #14 on: October 03, 2007, 06:26:03 PM »
I am certain SM measured 7.3 Hz, and was not saying this because it happens to be close to the SR.

I like Marco, and respect his work, but I am not convinced his magnet demo illustrates tapping the SR. There have been no replications I know of supporting this notion, and Marco himself has not demonstrated the same effect and frequency with different mass magnets. Until such time, I don't buy into this tapping effect at all.

It is curious however that the 7.3 Hz and 5-6 kHz frequencies are specifically quoted by SM. Clues from his material does not suggest these frequencies are applied by the controller. Perhaps they manifest as an artifact of the actual applied frequencies and how they interact in the coils.

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