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Author Topic: Formular to calculate energy per liter of HHO gas  (Read 114941 times)

Offline llewgnal

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Re: Formular to calculate energy per liter of HHO gas
« Reply #60 on: August 19, 2009, 02:50:53 PM »
lol... you know i hope none of you here with these calculations of thousands of liters per minute actually get a cell or setup that can actually create this... Your gonna blow your entire engine apart... Your calculations are based purly on the petrol numbers... i think you should consider the explosive force and rate at which HHO burns before you start throwing numbers around on what you need to run a car. Lets consider some points first. You will need something in your cylinder besides HHO and atmosphere in order to slow the reaction down (and to cool your exhaust valves) alot of people run steam to do both in high end performance cars. There is now a 3rd item to put into your ratio equation. HHO : Atmosphere : Steam ratio's.
Also being the budding scientists that you are (yes all sarcasm intended) what is the explosive force of HHO compared to petrol??? I hear numbers of around 2.5 times being thrown around (and that is calculated on explosive force) so now to get the same bang per cycle you should be dividing your required amount by 2.5 minimum. Next off the bat is to those of you wanting to run a closed system with HHO... It has been reported that pure HHO when ignited IMPLODES at 4x the power of normal reaction. THATS 4 TIMES THE POWER OF YOUR 2.5 TIMES THE POWER OF PETROL!!! AND IMPLODES i can't see anyone flooding their engine with excessive amounts off straight HHO having it implode mid cycle causing any problems when their cyclinders try to eat their block from the amounts of force they will have to withstand (be aware that engines are designed to run on EXplosive reactions not INplosive) BUT!!! i may be wrong and if you guy do run engines on a closed cycle HHO can you film it and also if/when your engine eats its own cyclinders can you put it on youtube...

Ok so now the sarcasm is out the way some serious thoughts... Off a guestimate from previous experiances i would say you would need a way of distributing your HHO better. From the look of things most peoples cells "might" be able to run an engine (don't get excited) but your delivery system is now where you need to look at things. i would say its now your "air to fuel ratio" that is screwing this up. There is no way you will be able to create enough HHO to feed the vacuum of your air intake to run your car BUT if your not going to use petrol there is now a "free" port that could be used as a controlled delivery system...
Stanley mayers talked about recirculating Co back into gas mixture to slow burn rate...

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Offline JimH

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Re: Formular to calculate energy per liter of HHO gas
« Reply #61 on: August 20, 2009, 01:10:12 PM »
Hello everyone... I need a little help please.
I worked with piezo electrics many moons ago and have finally managed to built an hho cell incorperating peizo electrics... the results have me baffled... can you help by taking a look at my video
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C_4sCArs1-0

Am I really achieving extra/free Volts and amps?
I checked with both volt meters and have been very conservative with all values... but 70 to 80% efficient... surely not!   ???


Offline triffid

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Re: Formular to calculate energy per liter of HHO gas
« Reply #62 on: August 21, 2009, 05:30:56 AM »
Hello,there is about 49 mls of heavy water in every liter of regular water that comes out of the tap.I see no one ever talk about "heavy water" in electroylsis of water.Basically it takes more energy to break it apart than normal water and gets left behind in a water bath.In time all that is left is heavy water.Triffid

Offline JimH

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Re: Formular to calculate energy per liter of HHO gas
« Reply #63 on: August 21, 2009, 03:44:50 PM »

I checked with both volt meters and have been very conservative with all values... but 70 to 80% efficient... surely not!   ???
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Hi all, I found that my measuring tube was only 0.1L and not 0.2L as I had remembered... please disregard my efficiency test.   :-[


Offline IM2L844

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Re: Formular to calculate energy per liter of HHO gas
« Reply #64 on: September 16, 2009, 09:33:06 PM »
I've built an online efficiency calculator for HHO. It's available here:
http://nicksrealm.com/HHO/Calculator.html

If you have any problems, instructions are available in the drop down menu or if you have specific questions, I will be happy to try and answer them in the forums.

Nick

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Re: Formular to calculate energy per liter of HHO gas
« Reply #64 on: September 16, 2009, 09:33:06 PM »
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Offline Justalabrat

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Re: Formular to calculate energy per liter of HHO gas
« Reply #65 on: September 16, 2009, 10:17:21 PM »
I've built an online efficiency calculator for HHO. It's available here:
http://nicksrealm.com/HHO/Calculator.html

If you have any problems, instructions are available in the drop down menu or if you have specific questions, I will be happy to try and answer them in the forums.

Nick

Hey! Very handy Nick!  ;D


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Re: Formular to calculate energy per liter of HHO gas
« Reply #66 on: September 17, 2009, 09:02:20 AM »
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Offline d3adp00l

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Re: Formular to calculate energy per liter of HHO gas
« Reply #67 on: September 18, 2009, 09:17:37 AM »
One the gibbs energy comparison

Ok now take that info and set it asside, and use the energy content of H2 to find the mmw needed to make the hho. in other words, at 100% eff. the energy content should equal the energy input.

then cross refernece that answer.

when your done with that compare the actual energy output of a generator running on hho, vs the production cost, and the energy eff. of the engine, to see what mmw would be needed to self run.

calc it from many different angles and see if the numbers match.

Short answer, they don't

Offline Cloxxki

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Re: Formular to calculate energy per liter of HHO gas
« Reply #68 on: September 19, 2009, 11:49:47 AM »
I've built an online efficiency calculator for HHO. It's available here:
http://nicksrealm.com/HHO/Calculator.html

If you have any problems, instructions are available in the drop down menu or if you have specific questions, I will be happy to try and answer them in the forums.

Nick
Excellent! This should be the ultimate reference for all HHO makers, presuming your master data is sound.
I would be extremely, EXTREMELY interested to know which technology is "beating" this calculator by the greatest factor. I have reason to believe, and this is not my idea originally, that with an efficient combustion engine, a bubbler doesn't need many magnitudes greater HHO production to be able to make the energy loop, and have a car running on water almost as if it were low-temperature combustible like petrol. Fill up with water, drive 1000 miles or so with your family car. Bring a jerrycan of more water, for practical purposes and when just missing a fill-up station.

Thanks!

[Off topic, but I just figured tat gas stations might make more profit selling tap water at 1/5th or 1/10th the price of current petrol, than petrol at current prices. There will be plenty of people selling you the convenience of water supply. Even if it's near free from the tap or river, convenience will always be worth it. I, too, would pay the neighbour's kid a couple of Euro's to go through the effort of filling up my car with my own tap water. A full tank of petrol costs almost 100 Euro's now.]

Offline ydeardorff

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Re: Formular to calculate energy per liter of HHO gas
« Reply #69 on: February 16, 2012, 10:10:34 PM »
Has anyone, looked into the metal equation here?

electrochemical potential of metals?

half reactions?

Certain electrodes give off a higher quality of gas than others?

Wouldn't this throw off the calculations, and degrade or improve efficiency?

What is the hp to amp conversion for the alternator?

These formula's are of great interest to me. To get the proper answers/results.

Has anyone analyzed the gas produced from the cell with varying metals and configurations, voltages/amps etc to find the best "sweet spot"? I contacted a conventional producer of hydrogen gas a couple of years ago, and they stated they use iron nickel electrodes, and no more than 8 VDC / AMPs. After that the production quality suffers.

I would as well as many of us would I'm sure, like to get a set of irrefutable, factual calculations, that can describe in crayon to the naysayers what these units do, how, and why. Then be able to lay out a standard answer for the calculation.


Is there a (in a nut shell) formulaic version of what to do, how to do it, and why, to get X results that cant be argued to death?


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Re: Formular to calculate energy per liter of HHO gas
« Reply #69 on: February 16, 2012, 10:10:34 PM »
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