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Author Topic: Stanley Meyer replication with low input power  (Read 610688 times)

Offline ravzz

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Re: Stanley Meyer replication with low input power
« Reply #45 on: August 25, 2007, 05:30:18 PM »
Alright people there's something really weird happening in the WFC.

Dave had mentioned some time ago that there's some glow in the dark.


I just checked it in pitch dark..... theres some kind of orange glow coming from the bottom of the WFC but cant make out exactly from where... tried taking pics but didnt work they got all pixulated.


Any idea what this could be??

Will get back in a day or two.


Ravi

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Offline hartiberlin

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Re: Stanley Meyer replication with low input power
« Reply #46 on: August 25, 2007, 07:36:54 PM »
Have a look at this guy,
he is actually using very cleverly the HHO output to heat water up
in a Stainless Steel bowl.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cq65lrw4-Ro



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Re: Stanley Meyer replication with low input power
« Reply #47 on: August 26, 2007, 09:06:37 PM »
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Re: Stanley Meyer replication with low input power
« Reply #48 on: August 26, 2007, 10:38:41 PM »
Have a look at this guy,
he is actually using very cleverly the HHO output to heat water up
in a Stainless Steel bowl.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cq65lrw4-Ro



Thats an awful lot of wattage to create that amount of heat, I can boil that amount of water faster with my 25 watt soldering iron.

Look, I know you guys see me as the bad guy, but try to stay in perspective, we all want to achieve as high efficiency as possible.

I'm in the process of replicating Stan Meyers work, for the moment I'm testing two stainless steel plates with an aluminum plate as the neutral(not electrically connected), the stainless steel plates are connected to approx 45 volts DC, the current being drawn presently is .510 amps, thats 510 milliamps, I will admit that the amount of HHO being given off is surprising me.

All three plates are seperated by about a 2 to 3 millimeter gap with the aluminum plate between the two stainless steel plates.


As soon as I've completed the pulse circuit I will test again.


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Re: Stanley Meyer replication with low input power
« Reply #49 on: August 27, 2007, 06:28:17 AM »
Ravi,

First off thanks for all your hard work and contributions to the forum.

I will be starting on my own replication soon, everything has been ordered and is shipping or already here. 

Initially I will going for strait replication, then move towards improvements.
I have a decent background in digital electronics and programming small processors and I look forward to incorporating some of this after successful replication.

When I ordered my tubes I went with 12 inches, It could have been a mistake. I will make sure the 100 Ohm resisters are rated heavier then .25amp in schematic.

I have some specific question about assembly. It your photos it looks like you welded the Stainless steel wire to the tubes,  then sealed them in silicone and some type of tubing.

#1. Do the stainless steel wires act as resistors?

#2. Do you think I could use copper wire sealed in silicon? (The connection too tubes will be bolts)

#3. In your notes on conditioning you state;  ? 1. Do not use any resistance on the negative side when conditioning the pipes.?   The d14 document does not show any resistors on the negative side. Could you clarify?

Thanks again,

Respectfully,

Tom

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Re: Stanley Meyer replication with low input power
« Reply #49 on: August 27, 2007, 06:28:17 AM »
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Re: Stanley Meyer replication with low input power
« Reply #50 on: August 27, 2007, 06:32:05 AM »
Aluminum has a stronger bond with oxygen than water, normally aluminum forms a oxide layer instantly..  you are actually thru electrolysis converting the alumina coating back to aluminum then it instantly grabs the water molecule and gives off H2 and keeps the O or possibly it's grabbing back the O it just split off to turn back into alumina.  Try adding Gallium or Mercury to the mix (liquid metal)  prevents the alumina from coating the aluminum..  will dissolve that aluminum plate up quick, should generate some very impressive amounts of Hydrogen.

What I've wanted to try is disolve some aluminum with gallium in water.. and also do electrolysis at the same time, once the alumina is in suspension in the water, it's in a pristine condition to be converted back to aluminum with electrolysis, which immediately may bond with water to go back to alumina.  the electrolysis of aluminum probably takes more energy than split water, but I'm wondering if partial gain from recycling in a closed system could extend your milage from 1 mile per pound of aluminum to 3-4 miles per pound or maybe more.  the gallium is not used at all, it stays in solution, and can actually be squeezed out.  Also I don't know what it will do to the stainless steel.. 


All three plates are seperated by about a 2 to 3 millimeter gap with the aluminum plate between the two stainless steel plates.


As soon as I've completed the pulse circuit I will test again.


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Re: Stanley Meyer replication with low input power
« Reply #51 on: August 27, 2007, 07:56:06 AM »
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« Last Edit: August 28, 2007, 10:42:35 AM by hydrocars »

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Re: Stanley Meyer replication with low input power
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Offline ravzz

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Re: Stanley Meyer replication with low input power
« Reply #52 on: August 27, 2007, 09:06:43 AM »
WOW Tao you seem to give a totally different perspective on what's happening......you could be right!!

Can any one throw a little more light on this?

This could make replications much easier if we can actually determine the frequency needed for a particular dimension / length of the tubes!!




Runningbare:

There is an anamoly thats not understood when neutral plates are used!  Try using three neutral plates and see how much more you generate.





TS:

You're welcome.

12" is fine. Well I went in for 9" when Dave's was 5".....you could probably throw some light on what modifications might be needed if you use longer tubes. Stan used 18" tubes so maybe I should try making a setup with 18" length tubes now.


#1. Yes the SS wires act as resistors. The specificresistance of 316L is around 75 Micro-Ohm-cm and that of copper is 1.72 Micro-Ohm-cm. The leads heat up when higher amps are drawn by the freq gen....you can see this in the videos  I posted. I've replaced the leads upto the bottom of the WFC with 4 Sqmm double insulated copper wire and the heat generation did come down. I need to check if theres any increase / decrease in generation.

#2. I have spot welded the 316L wires to the tubes. Used silicone to keep them in place and avoid shorting. The tubes are plastic for insulation. Yes you can use copper wire sealed in silicone sealant. Cover the exposed copper leads in the water with silicone sealant as well.

#3. Stan's patent 4,798,661 figure 1 has variable resistance connected to each of the inner tubes with numbers 60a....to 60n, this was what I was talking about. This is a variation you can try much later on.



Hydro:

When I tried conditioning the tubes at 3A to 5A range.....the resistors got burnt so I got them replaced with higher wattages. Its as simple as that.


Ravi

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Re: Stanley Meyer replication with low input power
« Reply #53 on: August 27, 2007, 11:15:24 AM »
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« Last Edit: August 28, 2007, 10:43:07 AM by hydrocars »

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Re: Stanley Meyer replication with low input power
« Reply #54 on: August 27, 2007, 03:58:15 PM »
Hydro:

Just pin 3....Left part of the circuit after the switch and the second part of the circuit at pin 3 before the 220 ohm resistor.

The blinking is when the switch at pin 3 of circuit 1 (left) is on.....when you switch it off its more or less continuously on....look at the wave form given there....its only the circuit 2 (right part connec to MOSFET) which is on then. If it doesnt blink then theres something wrong with the first part of the circuit!

I'm experiencing problems connecting to youtube......is it the same with you guys as well?

Ravi

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Re: Stanley Meyer replication with low input power
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Re: Stanley Meyer replication with low input power
« Reply #55 on: August 27, 2007, 04:05:47 PM »
yes. something has happened to youtube, the whole service has been completely laminated. i think its time to use http://www.videodownloader.net/ to download the clippets you have posted and retain them elsewhere.

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Re: Stanley Meyer replication with low input power
« Reply #56 on: August 27, 2007, 04:24:41 PM »
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Re: Stanley Meyer replication with low input power
« Reply #57 on: August 27, 2007, 06:03:36 PM »
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Re: Stanley Meyer replication with low input power - closing the loop?
« Reply #58 on: August 27, 2007, 06:11:59 PM »
Hi guys.

Big thank's to all the people involved with this technology. I have been following both hydrocars and Ravzz for some weeks now, and I must say that I'm impressed (who isn't).

I have been watching for a while know.
I tryed a closed looped system from ring_theory a few months ago, but never got it to work, so with nothing to contribute with, I have been holding a low profile.
But... I'm planning on getting back into business.

My main motivation for the OU hunt is not powering my home or car. My main motivation is the impact a working OU device would have on people, politicians and scientists.
The people could use a optimistic lift, and a new way of looking at the UFO phenomenon (a working OU device would, with one blow, make interstellar travel possible). People would also be more likely to belive that BigOil have been supressing OU devices for years, and that way see the world in a more clearly light.
Politicians would be forced to embrace the new paradigm. Energy and global warming agendas would be gone.
Scientists would have to stop beliving we are the top of the intellectual food chain, in a universal context, and start exploring new ideas and possibilities.

I may be naive, but that's what I hope a OU device would bring the people of the world, besides free energy :)

I think a closed loop system is absolutely nessesary for making the OU case. Thats why I wouldn't try to make a veichle run on a WFC. That woulden't be necessary. Instead, I find it very intriguing to see a moderate sized WFC, running a smaller engine (or a regular hydrogen fuel cell), pulling a generator to deliver power for the WFC.

Does anyone have input in this regard?

I'm thinking a RC Nitro car engine or alike. Can such an engine run from HHO?
What about a generator. Would a 12V accu driller motor be usable as a generator?

I thing the whole project would be to much for myself, but the project could be split into 2 or 3 stages. A WFC stage, an engine stage and a generator stage.

I know bringing free energy to the world won't be as easy as building such device, and rush down to the nearest newspaper, university or the state secretary of energy, but I consider that a positive problem.

@hydrocars
Have you abandoned you setup without the Frequency generator from the waterfuelcell.org forum?. Your HHO production seemed pretty nice.

SwinG

P.S. Any one from Denmark interested in coorporation?


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Re: Stanley Meyer replication with low input power
« Reply #59 on: August 27, 2007, 06:37:05 PM »
Hi Hydro,

Yes the tubes are Bright Annealed. You can use sand paper on the outside of the inner tube and the inside of the outer tube. See to it that you use a small grit so that you get small scratches on the surfaces....I used grit 100 with cloth backing as it can withstand the curved surfaces well.

Rest Looks good.




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