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Bob Boyce

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Re: Bob Boyce TPU thread
« Reply #75 on: August 06, 2007, 11:49:06 AM »
Bob i'm not so sure it was a bang . when you wraped the core with the outside windings and the inside wind and added the flat wind on top and bottom. there may be a thing that happens in the passive side. as the natural freq's change you think that the mag lev might have been in tune and when it moved the resonant freq's changed and fell ?  I noticed you shot Pics in front of your monitor and thats a real strong mag feild , if the monitor went to sleep the field would change. I would put the Torriod in the frezzer for a week and if you can get dry ice that would be better, realine the molecular structure in the core before resuming the windings.  self regenaration field ?  when you strike the torriod that will set up a mag field.                                                                                                 @ phase the windings that are diffrent colors in that coil, are the phase condishoners cycle in the winding. I'm not sure why there are 3 coils but it seams that 2 are sufficient the 3ed one might be a control winding when needed in the circut, pulse on pulse off as needed, kind of a twek to the amp levels so it dosen't over drive the curcut.?     

No worries mate. That 21" Sun monitor is off when I am working on the bench in front of it. I swept my K-II EMF meter back and forth over the core several times in all directions, and not so much as a tiny blip of magnetic field is showing as present.

It is odd that the core took that dive across the room while I was in the house. It ended up nearly 20 feet away from the bench, behind my lathe stand. I am keeping the shop door always locked now just in case it had some help of the 2 legged variety. That little mishap cost me the use of a 125' spool of hard to afford 16 guage silver plated solid wire, and a couple of days of labor.

Bob

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Bob Boyce TPU thread
« Reply #76 on: August 06, 2007, 02:03:45 PM »
Beautiful work Bob.  I've heard about torroids on steroids, but I never heard until now about torroids on vitamin C.  ;)

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Re: Bob Boyce TPU thread
« Reply #77 on: August 06, 2007, 04:05:10 PM »
It is odd that the core took that dive across the room while I was in the house. It ended up nearly 20 feet away from the bench, behind my lathe stand. I am keeping the shop door always locked now just in case it had some help of the 2 legged variety. That little mishap cost me the use of a 125' spool of hard to afford 16 guage silver plated solid wire, and a couple of days of labor.

Bob


Hey Bob,

That certainly sounded like a 20 foot assisted fall to me.  Unless you have discovered a new form of toroidal propulsion!   ;)

Your coil is looking awesome!  If you have an opportunity to take a picture of your secondary winding tool you described, that would be a great little addition for the .PDF

Great Job!  We are looking very forward to the primary windings.

Bruce

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Re: Bob Boyce TPU thread
« Reply #78 on: August 06, 2007, 06:09:32 PM »
Hey Bob,

That certainly sounded like a 20 foot assisted fall to me. Unless you have discovered a new form of toroidal propulsion!   ;)

Your coil is looking awesome!  If you have an opportunity to take a picture of your secondary winding tool you described, that would be a great little addition for the .PDF

Great Job!  We are looking very forward to the primary windings.

Bruce

Yes, I thought that I heard the shop door slam right after the loud bang, but thought I was just hearing things. Since it occured after midnight, wifey was asleep, so nobody was at the helm of the CCTV security system to see if any intruder entered the shop. I had the passive IR motion detector alarm on the CCTV system disabled due to the large number of nocturnal critters that roam this area during the summer months, otherwise I would have heard an alarm sound off.

I already posted a picture of my winding spool, loaded with the wire that I had removed from the 8" hydroxy toroid. That picture is on the end of the last page.

Bob

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« Reply #79 on: August 06, 2007, 06:32:46 PM »
Hi All,

after a massive effort and a lot of hours, here is the latest version of my TPU calculator.

Each section separated by continuous colored lines is independent.
You can be playing around with input parameters in different sections for different TPUs.

There is no rhyme nor reason for the input parameters as given.  While I was writing the spreadsheet I just grabbed numbers that fell down from the sky.

My end goal is a stable TPU with air core and n excitation coils, where n could easily be 8, 16, or even 32.  As n increases so should the stability, but the mechanical tolerances decrease so you have to have more precision as n increases.

Please test drive it and let me know what you think.  I have included just about everything including the kitchen sink.

If you find any math errors, please let me know.

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Re: Bob Boyce TPU thread
« Reply #80 on: August 06, 2007, 06:44:42 PM »
I already posted a picture of my winding spool, loaded with the wire that I had removed from the 8" hydroxy toroid. That picture is on the end of the last page.

Bob


Thanks Bob,

Somehow, I had missed it.

Bruce

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Bob Boyce TPU thread
« Reply #81 on: August 06, 2007, 06:58:38 PM »
Hi All,

attached are modified drawings.

Purpose is to have wires referrenced that everyone can refer to.

Second purpose is to show windings a bit clearer.  Mark, when you return, would you please rerender my two drawings to clearly show winding directions.  I removed the twisted windings on purpose to clearly have a reference for each wire end.  One end of all coils is soldered to the metal cylinder and the other ends enter the cylinder through holes.  For example, the cylinder could be at +12VDC and the holes lead to FET drains.
Another example would be to have the cylinder at "ground" and both coil ends are floating and differential, both going through holes into the cylinder electronics.

The blue inner cylinder that I added shows my hypothetical, cylindrical electronics enclosure made from tinned sheet metal.  This provides electrical, and magnetic shielding to a certain extent.
In addition this cylinder is in the "eye of the tornado vortex" and provides equal length wires to both ends of all excitation coils.

Some of you may now see where my thinking is heading to, with rat race of order n.  I don't envision any stuttering or pulse swallowing, only a smooth-running rat race, steady as a Swiss sewing machine.  Then open up a hole for a vortex creation by providing an orthogonal electrostatic or magnetostatic field.  Anyway, that is how my thinking goes today.  Difficult trying to be an aether Engineer since I can't even spell Neanderthalz.  There are hundreds of experiments to try:  counter-rotating excitation, orthogonal electrodynamic excitation of 110/220 VAC 50/60 Hz, etc., etc.

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Re: Bob Boyce TPU thread
« Reply #82 on: August 06, 2007, 09:04:49 PM »
@ Earl

Very nice! I wish I had the ability to make drawings like that. About the closest I can get is to just build the device and take pictures as I go. My artistic abilities using the MicroShaft Paint program in windows is limited to rather crude stick drawings. I can't even draw very good looking coils with that.

Yes, I agree, there is much experimentation yet to be done. I spent a lot of time working to improve upon the hydroxy tech, for the benefit of others, while my true interests have always been in direct energy tech. Unfortunately, the research funding for direct energy was just not available, so I had to make do. Thank goodness that at the power supply end of things, they were inter-related, and I was able to sneak in some experimenting here and there in between the hydroxy research projects. The hydroxy research allowed me to build a fairly well equipped shop with some limited machining abilities. Now that the hydroxy projects are largely over and done with, I will have more time to experiment where my true interests are. I would like to explore with adding additional field modulation patterns that may increase the versatility of the power output.

Bob

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Re: Bob Boyce TPU thread
« Reply #83 on: August 06, 2007, 11:13:46 PM »
If you were to power-up a ring underground, say in a basement or cellar, could you expect tha same results as above ground and would it be as safe?

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Re: Bob Boyce TPU thread
« Reply #84 on: August 07, 2007, 03:54:25 AM »
If you were to power-up a ring underground, say in a basement or cellar, could you expect tha same results as above ground and would it be as safe?

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Never tried it, as I don't have a basement.

Bob

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Re: Bob Boyce TPU thread
« Reply #85 on: August 07, 2007, 10:38:02 PM »
Thanks Bob.  Never hurts to ask those odd questions.

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Re: Bob Boyce TPU thread
« Reply #86 on: August 08, 2007, 03:29:04 AM »
@  Bob B.
   Down to the wire on my controller so need to ask what amount of phase shift would you recommend as the upper limit? I would like to go ahead and install the shift circuit on channel 2 and 3 with a cut out switch to disable it. thanks

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Re: Bob Boyce TPU thread
« Reply #87 on: August 08, 2007, 07:10:41 PM »
Bob,

I have a few questions for you if you don't mind. :)

1.) Is the attached core connection diagram correct?
2.) I understand that the bias supply controls extractable power out, and that it should be 160VDC.  What amplitude should the primary coil pulse signals be set to?
3.) I have heard on some of this kind of technology that voltage reversals in the primaries kill the effect.  Is that true here as well?
4.) What base primary frequency (ballpark) will a coil like this operate at?  Or is it dependent on the load and individual core?
5.) With regards to the magnetic bias, I just wanted to verify that I can pulse the magnetic bias coil without killing the effect?

Thank you.  I know it's a lot of questions--I have been thinking about the TPU for a while, and would like it to work on the first try! ;D

Eldarion

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« Reply #88 on: August 08, 2007, 10:37:06 PM »
@  Bob B.
Down to the wire on my controller so need to ask what amount of phase shift would you recommend as the upper limit? I would like to go ahead and install the shift circuit on channel 2 and 3 with a cut out switch to disable it. thanks

thaelin
@ thaelin

You will only need +/- a fraction of a degree, but I would opt for a bit more. +/- 1 degree would be more than enough.

Bob

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Re: Bob Boyce TPU thread
« Reply #89 on: August 09, 2007, 01:14:59 AM »
Bob,

I have a few questions for you if you don't mind. :)

1.) Is the attached core connection diagram correct?
2.) I understand that the bias supply controls extractable power out, and that it should be 160VDC.  What amplitude should the primary coil pulse signals be set to?
3.) I have heard on some of this kind of technology that voltage reversals in the primaries kill the effect.  Is that true here as well?
4.) What base primary frequency (ballpark) will a coil like this operate at?  Or is it dependent on the load and individual core?
5.) With regards to the magnetic bias, I just wanted to verify that I can pulse the magnetic bias coil without killing the effect?

Thank you.  I know it's a lot of questions--I have been thinking about the TPU for a while, and would like it to work on the first try! ;D

Eldarion

1. Mostly correct. The common tie point of the 3 coil positives is fed through a low pass filter, similar to that you have drawn in for the HVDC bias.

2. Primary pulse potential can be 13.8 VDC, as in the hydroxy gas toroidal power system, or you can drive it with higher potential - if you have it available. Similar to HVDC bias potential, the higher it is, the more effect it has.

3. What do you mean by voltage reversals? If you are referring to reversing which lead is positive and which lead is negative, then yes.

4. I don't have any answer for you, as the frequencies used will be determined by the size and construction of your coils and core. Do you have a sweep generator?

5. The magnetic bias power supply leads should be filtered as well. While you may get some interesting effects by allowing modulation to pass through into the magnetic bias field, I have not tested this yet.

Please try to understand, most of my recent experience with the construction and use of these toroidal power systems has been limited to the hydroxy gas version, which is a very mild pulsed mode version. I have done a lot of testing of rotational variants, and much of that ended in catastrophic failure. This has taught me many things not to do. Primary lesson learned was to always maintain tight control over the operation of the system.

My Tesla radiant energy research and resulting experiments really helped me with this toroidal power system research, as I truly feel that they are very closely related.

Bob

Edit: You may want to eliminate capacitors on the toroidal winding side of the chokes, C3 for the LPF in your drawing.
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