Bob Boyce TPU thread

[Bob Boyce]

Bob in the Tesla patents they talk about the AG material being as of equal weight on the secondaries and the primaries, Does this stay true to what we are doing on this coil.  Mike

Not on this type of unit.

Bob

[Bruce_TPU]

Hi Bob,

You sure do some nice winding!  I think that seeing with our eyes, the precision involved, will cause all of us to take our time and to do it correctly.  We need to source some Beeswax as well.  Do you know a supplier for the large block that you showed in your other picture?

Any guesses on what will happen when you fire up the top and bottom windings?  Will they be low voltage or high voltage static bias'?   Or will you try both?

@ All
Tomorrow, I will be starting a new thread that will be locked.  It is the Builders Update and will include each weeks progress update from each builder.  This will act as both a build diary, and resource if you need to know if someone is working on something that perhaps you either need help on, or can be of assistance.  At a later date it will turn into the builders experiments update thread.

Bruce

[Bob Boyce]

Hi Bob,

You sure do some nice winding!  I think that seeing with our eyes, the precision involved, will cause all of us to take our time and to do it correctly.  We need to source some Beeswax as well.  Do you know a supplier for the large block that you showed in your other picture?

Any guesses on what will happen when you fire up the top and bottom windings?  Will they be low voltage or high voltage static bias'?  Or will you try both?

Bruce

Thank you. I do try to make accurate windings, even when they are not so critical as in these longitudinals. The secondary and primaries are always a challenge for me, as I attemp to get a tight wind at the toroid center while keeping each turn spaced the same from one another around the periphery. The primaries are the most critical of course, as the accuracy there directly affects timing.

My beeswax was sourced from eBay. The not-so-local health food store only had tiny 1 ounce blocks for US $1 each, while a seller on eBay had 1 lb blocks for about US $10 each. I had stocked up so have plenty of it.

Those top and bottom windings were not planned for use as bias windings. I wanted to see if adding these would allow for additional output in homopolar fashion without affecting operation. This is why they are both wound CCW from inside to outside when looking down from above.

Bob

[Motorcoach1]

Bee's wax get this from Home Depot , go to pluming and get tolite bowl seal ring made from Bee's wax ! dada                                                                                I have a steel ring here so I'm going to practice winding this one. get my skill level in.  and dahh I forgot the tolite bowl ring when I  was at the store. :0

[Bruce_TPU]

@ Mike

A bright idea.  Though it will read funny on the "build page" when I get it together.  One toilet bowl seal...   I had no idea it was made of Bee's wax!

I have verified it is 100% bee's wax.  I won't ask how you knew that Mike!  LOL     So we now have a ready, cheap souce at our disposal (no pun intended! Ha!) from any local building supply.

Bruce

[Bob Boyce]

I'm glad to know that as well. Of course, they will probably try to outlaw beeswax when they find out it is being used for coil winding once again. Just like the Consumer Product Safety Commission has tried to eliminate non-blended sodium hydroxide drain cleaners from store shelves here in the US.

Well, the last longitudinal winding is finally finished. I turned a short piece of 3" ABS pipe down on my lathe and used that as a preform to make winding the inside hole a bit easier. I wrapped the 48 turns onto the preform, then smeared them with beeswax before transferring them over to the core one turn at a time.

Bob

[Bruce_TPU]

Well, the last longitudinal winding is finally finished. I turned a short piece of 3" ABS pipe down on my lathe and used that as a preform to make winding the inside hole a bit easier. I wrapped the 48 turns onto the preform, then smeared them with beeswax before transferring them over to the core one turn at a time.

Bob

Hi Bob,

It is easy to see that you have wound a few coils in your day!  I do have two questions.

With the first winding, for the magnetic bias, do you smear bee's wax first over the surface of the toroid, and then simply wind on top of that?

And what is the yellow paper like stuff you have waxed, glued on top of everything?  It does not look like electrical tape.  Would electrical tape work, or would you recommend this yellow stuff?

Bruce

[Bob Boyce]

Hi Bob,

It is easy to see that you have wound a few coils in your day!  I do have two questions.

With the first winding, for the magnetic bias, do you smear bee's wax first over the surface of the toroid, and then simply wind on top of that?

And what is the yellow paper like stuff you have waxed, glued on top of everything?  It does not look like electrical tape.  Would electrical tape work, or would you recommend this yellow stuff?

Bruce

I rub cold beeswax over the core surface first to make it just a bit tacky. Then as I wind, I rub wax into the windings by hand to secure those windings. I work this wax with my fingers to soften it as I wind. After I finish, I rub in a good dose of wax to seal the windings well. Beeswax makes an excellent inert potting to hold the windings in place until they can be securely wrapped with winding tape.

Which brings us to the winding tape. It is very strong and thin, and has almost no stretch to it. It is available in many colors and widths. Some has adhesive and some does not, I have both types. PVC electrical tape will work, but it stretches, especially when it warms up, so it provides very little in the way of support for the windings. Winding tape can be obtained from suppliers that carry electric motor and transformer rewind supplies.

In the late 70s I had the opportunity to train in electric motor/transformer rewind. I then worked in a motor/transformer rewind shop for a short time. This experience helped me greatly. Back then we used wax and waxed chord to tie windings up. We then heated and dipped them in varnish, while exposed to vacuum to draw out air and excess wax, then allowed atmospheric pressure to push the varnish in. Then we would bake the windings to set the varnish.

One thing I learned from that is to make darned sure that all underwinding leads are covered with good dielectric strength woven fiberglass sleeving. This can add a good 5KV or more of dielectric strength to the flying leads of magnet wire windings. I will be adding this to my longitudinal winding leads prior to winding my secondary.

Bob

[Bob Boyce]

Taped up and awaiting the woven fiberglass sleeving prior to winding the secondary.

Bob

[Bruce_TPU]

Hi Bob,

Great information as always.  We look forward to seeing and learning more of the fiberglass sleeve.  This is indeed feeling like we are winding a generator.

If you test your new longitudal windings on top, bottom and inside core, and it indeed gives output, we will add these windings to ours as well and I will add those photo's to the page 2 photo journal

@ Everyone

Page 1 Build page is active.  Need sources for the winding tape and I will add it.  Please check it out.  Also Page 2 is a Photo Journal for easy viewing all in one place, when our cores arrive.

Bruce

[tao]

@ Mike

A bright idea.  Though it will read funny on the "build page" when I get it together.  One toilet bowl seal...   I had no idea it was made of Bee's wax!

I have verified it is 100% bee's wax.  I won't ask how you knew that Mike!  LOL     So we now have a ready, cheap souce at our disposal (no pun intended! Ha!) from any local building supply.

Bruce

I indeed found the wax at Home Depot today, guised as a toilet seal, lol.

May I suggest also though, lol, they have many forms of wax and like materials at Hobby Lobby stores around the US...

[Grumpy]

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[Grumpy]

Sorry, thought about that after I had posted. I should have offered the following;

Polar = anomolous electrical / magnetic effects
Parapolar = anomolous heating / cooling effects
Diapolar = anomolous gravitational effects

3 variations of a common thread. Many anomolies observed are results of unbalanced mixes of 2 or more of these. It's just a theory and I really don't care about theory as much as actual hands-on research and experimentation.

Bob

Hello Bob,

In the above orientations, or states, are you referring to the orientations of the fields in the ring?  Just wondering what would could be expected with phase coils with same poles turned inward or wrapped with current primary method but with poles opposing.

You mentioned that the lightening strike entered your hand - was this by chance the palm or some other portion?  I ask this specifically because the palm of the hand is thought to be sensitive to torsion fields.  The lingering field that you spoke of is consistent with many people's experiences with torsion fields.  Dave Lowrance has experimented with coil arrangements that create torsion fields without applied power and others that are very difficult to shut off once active.  Very strange stuff indead.

Do you have any ideas on why the rind does not function when flipped over or rotating CW?  This is obviously and indication of where the energy comes from - (as in - not from the ground beneath you) - but the source could be Earth or something outside it.  Aside from the gravitational field, the Earth has a torsion field as do many other celestial entities and they appear to effect each other. 

Have you ever placed two rings side-by-side when operating? 

Have you ever placed a ring inside another ring - perhaps with the inner ring rotating CW and the outer ring rotating CCW and collection in the middle between the two?

Sorry about all the questions - bored at work and can't work on the ring here.

Thanks Much,

Grumpy


EDIT:
surplus source for electrical winding tape:

http://www.surplussales.com/RF/RFTeflon-Mylar.html

The yellow, non-stretchy, thin stuff is polyester (Mylar is a brand name - of 3M - I think) - look for the yellow roll on the page.

These prices are a little cheaper than standard pricing.

[HumblePie]

Hey Y'all,

You all better read everything twice if you are like me.  Make time.

Humble

[Bob Boyce]

Sorry, thought about that after I had posted. I should have offered the following;

Polar = anomolous electrical / magnetic effects
Parapolar = anomolous heating / cooling effects
Diapolar = anomolous gravitational effects

3 variations of a common thread. Many anomolies observed are results of unbalanced mixes of 2 or more of these. It's just a theory and I really don't care about theory as much as actual hands-on research and experimentation.

Bob

Hello Bob,

In the above orientations, or states, are you referring to the orientations of the fields in the ring?  Just wondering what would could be expected with phase coils with same poles turned inward or wrapped with current primary method but with poles opposing.

You mentioned that the lightening strike entered your hand - was this by chance the palm or some other portion?  I ask this specifically because the palm of the hand is thought to be sensitive to torsion fields.  The lingering field that you spoke of is consistent with many people's experiences with torsion fields.  Dave Lowrance has experimented with coil arrangements that create torsion fields without applied power and others that are very difficult to shut off once active.  Very strange stuff indead.

Do you have any ideas on why the rind does not function when flipped over or rotating CW?  This is obviously and indication of where the energy comes from - (as in - not from the ground beneath you) - but the source could be Earth or something outside it.  Aside from the gravitational field, the Earth has a torsion field as do many other celestial entities and they appear to effect each other. 

Have you ever placed two rings side-by-side when operating? 

Have you ever placed a ring inside another ring - perhaps with the inner ring rotating CW and the outer ring rotating CCW and collection in the middle between the two?

Sorry about all the questions - bored at work and can't work on the ring here.

Thanks Much,

Grumpy

EDIT:
surplus source for electrical winding tape:

http://www.surplussales.com/RF/RFTeflon-Mylar.html

The yellow, non-stretchy, thin stuff is polyester (Mylar is a brand name - of 3M - I think) - look for the yellow roll on the page.

These prices are a little cheaper than standard pricing.

As far as I can tell, the states have nothing to do with the orientation of the windings. I do not have these other anomolous affects mapped out to a specific interference (standing wave) pattern. Some resonance points will give a different set of anomolies than others, and the frequencies at which these occur will vary based on the resonances of your particular core and windings.

The lightning entered the palm of my right hand with no entry wound. My right hand was resting on the shelf of a metal book rack that was next to the wall where the lightning entered the room. The exit wound was on the outside of my right ankle where it jumped from there to the telephone 3 feet away. I was laying in bed at the time.

I had not tried turning it on its side or upside down when it was running. I do not like going near strong EM fields for health reasons. There are some subtle measurement differences that can be observed when testing at low power when wound and driven in one direction vs the other. For example, when wound  and driven correctly, far field radiated EMF as read with an EMF meter seems to vanish when a load is connected.

I have not messed around with multiple rings. In all the testing I have done, closed rings of conductive material just seems to introduce eddy current losses and the resultant heat from those eddy current losses. I have always strived to obtain the best results I can with the least amount of power input.

Bob