See the video about anomalous continuous charging of a capacitor by a magnet:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5iGEsVaIftk
Robby
Otto,
Im looking foward to refinement that will make this process safe happening here.
Please Can I ask that nobody goes to media about this.
Hello all,
@Robby,
a looooong time ago I posted that the 2 magnets are closing the contacts of reed relays. The TPU is a self runner. This means that its always working. Now imagine you have to make somewhere a demonstration and have to bring the TPU with you. Its raining for example.....the TPU is working......
Maybe Im totally wrong, we all will see in the future.
Otto
Hello all,
@Kokomoj0
Heeeeej, you missed something!!!! Its already done by our master!!!!!
Otto
The initial docomunt specifies that this is not patentable and that is open source. This public excution can guarantee that. Besides, let them stop us. This technology is the most dangerous on the planet while at the same time the most advantegious for the good of mankind. What are they goning to do? close down all Radio shacks? LOL
--giantkiller.
The frequencies are all asynchronous, I cannot see how you can sync them.If you are using AD9833 (10pin) DDS then you can synchronize multiple chips with this procedure:
Maybe fine tuning the phase perhaps.
I'm eager to start winding once I see some confirmation of the initial results with RMS input current readings taken along the lines already suggested using filters and a 12V battery as the power source.
I'm eager to start winding once I see some confirmation of the initial results with RMS input current readings taken along the lines already suggested using filters and a 12V battery as the power source.
Yes well put.
These test results so far are inconlusive.
I was going to draw up a diagram illustrating how the test setup should be to minimize interference to the instruments and meters, but there are already a few suggestions covering most of what I was going to suggest.
One or both of the meters (standalone and PSU) are giving erroneous readings. We should not be jumping to the conclusion that it is the PSU that is the one in error, nor the meter, but human nature sways us to choose the lower of the two.
Suggest the following to minimize interference to both the PSU and meters:
12VBat-->voltmeter-->currentmeter-->LCFilter(x3)-->RFshield-->DUT
This plattering noise can wreak havoc with all digital meters, and is evidently occuring here.
On the other side of the coin (choosing the higher of the two possible readings), 42V X 3.6A = 150W, so of course the bulb will glow brightly. And 30V X 3.6A = 108W, still enough for a bright bulb.
The PSU is supposed to be capable of only 30V, but with noise wreaking havoc inside the PSU, it could be getting "fooled" into putting out much more. All PSU units start with a higher voltage to allow for regulation, and 42V would not be an unreasonable amount.
Darren
I'm eager to start winding once I see some confirmation of the initial results with RMS input current readings taken along the lines already suggested using filters and a 12V battery as the power source.
Yes well put.
These test results so far are inconlusive.
I was going to draw up a diagram illustrating how the test setup should be to minimize interference to the instruments and meters, but there are already a few suggestions covering most of what I was going to suggest.
One or both of the meters (standalone and PSU) are giving erroneous readings. We should not be jumping to the conclusion that it is the PSU that is the one in error, nor the meter, but human nature sways us to choose the lower of the two.
Suggest the following to minimize interference to both the PSU and meters:
12VBat-->voltmeter-->currentmeter-->LCFilter(x3)-->RFshield-->DUT
This plattering noise can wreak havoc with all digital meters, and is evidently occuring here.
On the other side of the coin (choosing the higher of the two possible readings), 42V X 3.6A = 150W, so of course the bulb will glow brightly. And 30V X 3.6A = 108W, still enough for a bright bulb.
The PSU is supposed to be capable of only 30V, but with noise wreaking havoc inside the PSU, it could be getting "fooled" into putting out much more. All PSU units start with a higher voltage to allow for regulation, and 42V would not be an unreasonable amount.
Darren
I must agree with Darren.
It could be, that the meters are just getting fooled by the big RF spikes and that the
power supply put out really more.
So it was also very suspicious, that the digital ampmeter did show lower and lower
amps input but the light bulb stayed at the same brightness..
Hmm... Maybe just the batteries on this digital ampmeter were almost empty ?
Then these things also happen as I have experienced my self often when the
battery of the DVM is nearly empty...
As Jason seems not to have used any blocking caps and chokes as lowpassfilters
directly at the power supply, the current could have really been this big.
So my advice, never use digital meters with pulse measurements and only use
analog meters to measure the average input current and always use LC lowpassfilters before going into the circuit
and only measure the input infront of these LC lowpassfilters.
Regards, Stefan.
Hi Peter,I have built triple DDS generator with AD9834 and used RESET pin to synchronize them. I'm quite sure that Analog Device's documentation states stopping the clock as a way of synchronizing the multiple chips.
Excellent news.
Are you sure that if all 3 DDS chips start with same master clock after a soft reset they will stay in Sync?
I can use a different DDS chip, it does not need to be the AD9833.
Regards
Rob
Folks
I was there, I was the dude trying to calculate watts. This looks real promising, however because Jason and Otto , not to sure about Otto?s tests, but Jason is using a power supply connected to mains and like some of you have mentioned it the RF could be affecting the power supply. The last calculation based on the power source meter showed about 143 watts, this does not make sense. To prove the fact a battery needs to be used as supply. If the unit is gathering radiant energy supplying back to the battery would prove useless, remember SM used a converter to run the TV etc. A true test would be to use a battery and replace the light with a resistor, calculate the wattage draw at peak performance and the wattage output at the resistor. A battery will be more forgiving of reversing polarity and the battery can be scoped on ac to see if there is charge back. Of course I am building one. As always I don?t just sit here and post I prefer to do the work and help others. Keep it open source and free. Keep greedy capitalist out.
Earl,
Go look at the SM video's of the TPU. SM started them by placing magnets on his device. Our goal is to replicate SM's deivice, self contained, free-running with no harmful RF emissions and no need for shields.
For this research to progress, you may have to let go of your old ideas taught to you by the orthodox high priests of electromagnetic dogma. The world is not flat and the sun does not orbit the earth.
Just pay attention to the SM videos and think about what could possibly be the reason why a magnet placed on the unit by SM would make it start?
I take no offense at your cries about "stupidity". This research fundamentally demands a questioning attitude of all our postulates and theorems about electromagnetic phenomena.
The orthodox have always cried heresy against pioneers and their new ideas that forced paradigm change.
Robby
Finally..... 8)
This is just awesome.
If i understood correctly the vertical space between the two 4'and 6' coils is not really nessisairy?
otherwise i will have to adjust my diagram.
Thanks guy's awesome job.
Marco
@kokomoj0
Anyway, welcome to the 'believers- club'! Membership is free. The only other requirement is to free your mind of previously conceived or previously taught orthodox ideas of how things can and must be done!
Peace
chrisC
@Jacob,
I have had time only now to read your post.
I've no words: T H A N K
and best luck to the many guys who are now succesfully replicating ECD.
SORRY TO SAY but remember: ECD IS REALLY DANGEROUS...never forget it
Sincerely
Roberto
@ Kokomojo and others
I am a NON electronic guy who spent about $18.00 to replicate Otto's work. It took about 30 minutes to build the collectors and tonight I post some pics.
So my point is this. Just spend a few bucks, wind the coil and help us out. Test it, retest it, experiment with it, post it. You guys have all of this knowledge and experience, so just BUILD IT! ;)
No excuses, or reasons, just build it, and post. Pretty simple.. LOL
I do encourage you all in a friendly way!
Cheers,
Bruce
@ Kokomojo and others
I am a NON electronic guy who spent about $18.00 to replicate Otto's work. It took about 30 minutes to build the collectors and tonight I post some pics.
So my point is this. Just spend a few bucks, wind the coil and help us out. Test it, retest it, experiment with it, post it. You guys have all of this knowledge and experience, so just BUILD IT! ;)
No excuses, or reasons, just build it, and post. Pretty simple.. LOL
I do encourage you all in a friendly way!
Cheers,
Bruce
@ Kokomojo and others
I am a NON electronic guy who spent about $18.00 to replicate Otto's work. It took about 30 minutes to build the collectors and tonight I post some pics.
So my point is this. Just spend a few bucks, wind the coil and help us out. Test it, retest it, experiment with it, post it. You guys have all of this knowledge and experience, so just BUILD IT! ;)
No excuses, or reasons, just build it, and post. Pretty simple.. LOL
I do encourage you all in a friendly way!
Cheers,
Bruce
Bruce,
Good one! you sound like me ha!
I sometimes feel that people should either build it or be silent..the results will speak for themselves...but when will the doubters,who have never created anything, stop speaking?
The onus is on you to build it...Thats it
If this was all fantasy...what a wonderful one....however what if it isint and never was ....what have you got to lose ...nobody ever wanted your money. That my friends is what many people cannot comprehend and that is quite sad. let's hope that we are really ready for this. Mankind that is..
Hey Kind man...Man kind...see it?
Believe it ...do it...Its still early days
Dont sit in your corner and spruke your doubts ..it is old and boring now.
Bring something to this! You will feel better!
A few kind men have shown some keys to a gate..
The doubters should start a doubtfest on another thread!
love ya all
Lindsay Mannix
Lindsay and all,
If it is wrong to question and doubt, then it is also wrong to blindly accept something as true.
Have you made the device and done the measurements? Are you 100% confident they are flawless? Have you simply accepted what someone told you as the truth, when there is little evidence to support that claim?
Perhaps you should ask yourselves this...would you bet your house on it? If not, then think again.
Darren
I sometimes feel that people should either build it or be silent..the results will speak for themselves.....
Hey lets be fair about this.
Would you accept a car without kicking the tires first?
Hey lets be fair about this.
Would you accept a car without kicking the tires first?
@kokomoJ0
Hey, I went through buying 7 cars and yet to kick any tires! Somehow our assesment of what is worthy is really, just that!
A long time ago, Jesus said in parables to people of those days and I quote: (Matthew 13:11-14)
11He replied, "The knowledge of the secrets of the kingdom of heaven has been given to you, but not to them. 12Whoever has will be given more, and he will have an abundance. Whoever does not have, even what he has will be taken from him. 13This is why I speak to them in parables:
"Though seeing, they do not see;
though hearing, they do not hear or understand. 14In them is fulfilled the prophecy of Isaiah:
" 'You will be ever hearing but never understanding;
you will be ever seeing but never perceiving.
I am quoting the above scripture not to start a flame war. It's intent is just to prove in this world there will always be two views of the coin, even though the coin has fallen on the right side!
Cheers
chrisC
Hi All,
just got an email from Jason,
telling me, that he only got 1.5 hours sleep last night and that he has
to work on some school exams in the next days, so it will take
some time, until he gets again to his TPU-ECD.
So please be patient with new measurements from him.
Regards, Stefan.
Whilst waiting on the exact driver as used by Jason I thought I'd do a couple of tests.
I wanted to see if I could capture what was happening, signal wise, when say a 90khz and 180khz was 'mixed' in a coil.
To do this I wrapped a standard solenoid coil. This is the mixed signal coil. On top of this two parallel wires wrapped together to produce another two coils. i.e. As if wrapping a bifilar coil.
Into the two parallel wrapped coils I fed 90hz into one and 180hz into the other. The attached image shows the 180hz on the top trace, the 90hz I've drawn in in red, the bottom trace is the resultant output. The drawn in red line on the lower trace is the 0V level.
The staircase on the output goes down because the input signal are synchronised on a rising edge. I'll try moving the input signal to synchronise on the trailing edge so that the staircase goes up.
If this output were DC shifted up say 100V, you would have a situation where, in the case of a rising staircase, you would have progressive dc pulses WITHOUT A CURRENT REVERSAL. We know from Tesla that Radiant Energy occurs when pulses are applied in such a way that their is no current reversal... Further more, if this staircase effect was to occur on a high voltage spike, due to further mixing with other coils and you have the situation where you are generating high voltage DC, non reversing pulses.
I think part of the puzzle is to get this staircase effect happening on the leading edge of very high voltage BEMF pulses.
EDIT: I had the AC button pressed on my scope instead of the DC. I've therefore redrawn the 0V level on the attached image. The 0V level is at the bottom of the lower trace NOT centered on the lower trace.
SM told us that there are a lot of ways to built a good TPU. So, in a very short time, I suppose, there will be TPUs like the open one with the controlls wound all over the collector and a few other types. I only wanted to give the basic setup that I have. Its on you to find other possibilities to built a good TPU. Otto
Whilst waiting on the exact driver as used by Jason I thought I'd do a couple of tests.
I wanted to see if I could capture what was happening, signal wise, when say a 90khz and 180khz was 'mixed' in a coil.
To do this I wrapped a standard solenoid coil. This is the mixed signal coil. On top of this two parallel wires wrapped together to produce another two coils. i.e. As if wrapping a bifilar coil.
Into the two parallel wrapped coils I fed 90hz into one and 180hz into the other. The attached image shows the 180hz on the top trace, the 90hz I've drawn in in red, the bottom trace is the resultant output. The drawn in red line on the lower trace is the 0V level.
The staircase on the output goes down because the input signal are synchronised on a rising edge. I'll try moving the input signal to synchronise on the trailing edge so that the staircase goes up.
If this output were DC shifted up say 100V, you would have a situation where, in the case of a rising staircase, you would have progressive dc pulses WITHOUT A CURRENT REVERSAL. We know from Tesla that Radiant Energy occurs when pulses are applied in such a way that their is no current reversal... Further more, if this staircase effect was to occur on a high voltage spike, due to further mixing with other coils and you have the situation where you are generating high voltage DC, non reversing pulses.
I think part of the puzzle is to get this staircase effect happening on the leading edge of very high voltage BEMF pulses.
EDIT: I had the AC button pressed on my scope instead of the DC. I've therefore redrawn the 0V level on the attached image. The 0V level is at the bottom of the lower trace NOT centered on the lower trace.
Okay, but then your red lower frequency must have double the amplitude of your green square wave,otherwise you will
not get this staircase wave just by adding them up...
I would have expected a 3 level staircase with the same amplitude for the input square waves. 1 high, 2 and 3 in the middle, and 1 low. I checked the output from the mosfet drivers and the square waves from the drivers are the same amplitude...
I have to say I'm looking forward to replicating this device. Drivers will be here tomorrow morning !!
These are some of the tests I have in mind:
1. Once I have the two frequency lighting of the bulb. What happens if I gradually reduce the supply voltage ? Is there a sudden cut-off point where the bulb turns off or does it reduce brightness gradually ?
2. What happens if I disconnect one, or other, or both of the mobius coils ?
3. What happens if I disconnect one of the control coils ?
4. What happens if I switch in one or more bulbs in series ?
5. What happens if I switch in one or more bulbs in parallel ?
Hello all,
it should be clear that my setup is MY favorit in this moment. SM told us that there are a lot of ways to built a good TPU. So, in a very short time, I suppose, there will be TPUs like the open one with the controlls wound all over the collector and a few other types.
I only wanted to give the basic setup that I have. Its on you to find other possibilities to built a good TPU.
Otto
I would have expected a 3 level staircase with the same amplitude for the input square waves. 1 high, 2 and 3 in the middle, and 1 low. I checked the output from the mosfet drivers and the square waves from the drivers are the same amplitude...
Strange, how did you mix these 2 waveforms ?
Added them up via resistors or how ?
Time to fire up and test this unit off the grid.
is this how the outputs of the 7307 are wired, as ottos symbols are a little off.
and having never used mosfets , and having only just enough i dont want to destroy
them. i understand the gates are joined its just the other pins i was curious about.
Stefan, it took me no time to wrap the coil, man build it , it will take you no time, then we can have you in there to with your own results, i think this thread is going to have one of the most replications in it...very soon.
common Stefan go for it man.......................
Dom
Why are you using these expensive driver FETs ?
Why not just control the IRF 840 ?s gate with a parallel circuit
of 3 or 4 schmitttrigger hex inverter ICs like
MM74C14 Hex Schmitt Trigger ?
Here is a PDF File.
Just put at least 2 or 3 of them parallel and there you go.
Should have enough punch to hit the IRF 840 gate fully open !
http://www.fairchildsemi.com/ds/MM/MM74C14.pdf
@Gyulasun,
please paj attention, the schematic posted in my doc TPU=ECD is TESTED on my ECD. Anyway I've just followed the configuration suggested by the constructor of IRF7307 8International Rectifier) that you find attached, please look at fig 9. Using that approach I could use a wide range of posibilities (including the NE555) as input signal.
In my opinion the very low output impedance showed by said 7307 config is just what needed to correctly drive the power MOSFET properly charging his input capacitance augmented by the Miller effect. That's just what needed to drive the MOSFET into avalanche mode - fundamental.
Darren:
All of us are seeing effects not obvious to common understanding. It's just like driving. Do you need to know every aspect of car mechanics to enjoy the benefits of driving?
I can tell you this much. If you read the little of Otto's theory explanation in his disclosure and still needed absolute proof, you will not believe his unwritten theory. Even Einstein hasn't gone there!
Well, maybe you really should just spend $18 and 1 hour of your time and answer all the questions and then get totally excited to help us or disprove this project? I also love to disprove this myself but the dice is rolling the other way!
Cheers
chrisC
SM said that different configurations work, albeit, the final one was best. However, we can be certain that no matter what the configuration, the theory of operation, or basic concept is the same in all.
It would be interesting to read what the theory of operation or basic concept of your device is, as I have not seen this yet. Sorry if this has already been explained, but a formal writeup would be helpful to those building also, so they know what they are looking for.
I will not spend the time building this because I do not believe it works according to the claims being made. Insufficient and unrelible data is all that has been presented thus far and that won't convince me it is worthwhile to build it. I have other projects going, including the SM-TPU.
Surely Otto and Roberto must have a theory of how the device operates, or at least what effect they were trying to achieve by their configuration? They must also know if and how a RMF is created, a turbine effect exists, what the kicks are and how they manifest etc. etc.
I am sure SM knows very well how to achieve the effect, and what it is, even though he may not be positive where the energy is coming from.
SM said that different configurations work, albeit, the final one was best. However, we can be certain that no matter what the configuration, the theory of operation, or basic concept is the same in all.
Not necessarily. Two different but linked processes could be involved in the ideal configuration, and some configurations could only expose one of these processes. What is interesting about Roberto's and Otto's breakthrough is that it gives us another perspective which, combined to what we already knew, will help us us gain a better understanding of the overall phenomena.It would be interesting to read what the theory of operation or basic concept of your device is, as I have not seen this yet. Sorry if this has already been explained, but a formal writeup would be helpful to those building also, so they know what they are looking for.
Darren, before requesting more reading material, I suggest you read what is already available. Here is an excerpt from the TPU_ECD_V1_0.pdf document:
In this paper you will find few theoretical assessments: they, with the help of God,
will come later. This paper that you are going to read is to be considered just as preliminary, more data will follow as per requests also. A complete description of principles behind ECD may be found here (http://magnetism.fateback.com/Overunity.htm).I will not spend the time building this because I do not believe it works according to the claims being made. Insufficient and unrelible data is all that has been presented thus far and that won't convince me it is worthwhile to build it. I have other projects going, including the SM-TPU.
Then the appropriate question is: What are you doing here? This thread is for those who believe there is something important going on, and who want to be part of it. Others should either go for a walk or stay silent.Surely Otto and Roberto must have a theory of how the device operates, or at least what effect they were trying to achieve by their configuration? They must also know if and how a RMF is created, a turbine effect exists, what the kicks are and how they manifest etc. etc.
Surely, you know how long it takes to build a theorical frame around an unknown phenomena. This breakthough happened only a few days ago. Isn't your request somewhat unreasonable? Plus, why would you want to further your knowledge in a phenomena you don't believe in? Unless of course you have a hidden agenda...I am sure SM knows very well how to achieve the effect, and what it is, even though he may not be positive where the energy is coming from.
Since you followed what what going on in the Magnetic Reconnection thread, you must remember that in a letter to Mannix following the publication of my theory, SM plainly said that he had no idea what this effect was.
Jacob
I'd like to suggest that after the next replication is accomplished with square waves, you inject sine waves, and perhaps re-tune to verify the effect still exists.
Perhaps the square waves and related harmonics are responsible for most of the harmful effects that have been reported and this is why SM stressed pure sine waves. I realize everyone is very aware of the possibility but I have not heard anyone state it.
-Duff
Why are you using these expensive driver FETs ?
Why not just control the IRF 840 ?s gate with a parallel circuit
of 3 or 4 schmitttrigger hex inverter ICs like
MM74C14 Hex Schmitt Trigger ?
Here is a PDF File.
Just put at least 2 or 3 of them parallel and there you go.
Should have enough punch to hit the IRF 840 gate fully open !
http://www.fairchildsemi.com/ds/MM/MM74C14.pdf
@ Duff
SM said "Pure frequency", not "Pure Sine wave". I made that same false assumption in my thread, until re reading SM's words.
Cheers,
Bruce
@ Bruce & gn0stik
Thanks for the correction.
So minimum harmonic content might equal less harmful effects to deal with.
-Duff
Hi Earl,
many thanks for your experience and your circuit.
Maybe it is only required to have a fast OFF switching in this circuit,so
your circuit still needs a low ohmic resistor like 100 Ohms from Gate to ground ?
or is the lower PNP transistor enough to pull the gate down ?
Well, we are working here in the Khz ranges and I ask myself,
if we really need this fast Nanosecond switching ?
Would be intersting to see, if the TPU-ECD would also work with
being controlled by 3 different sine frequencies..
Regards, Stefan.
@ Earl
SM suggested in his posts, to build a "mini tube amp" using Mosfets, to power the TPU, to start with. He said it would be faster all around, to see something happen. Can you explain as an electronic guy, how close to what is being done, is to a mini tube amp? Is there any similarites? What would the difference be?
I think this is an important post of SM's.
Thank you,
Bruce
@ Stefan
Otto said the heat sink ONLY was hot, but NOT the MOSFET. He and Roberto were amazed by this, because where the Mosfet was seated was only warm to the touch, but the "exposed" aluminum was very hot, giving off electrons.
Cheers,
Bruce
@ Stefan
Otto said the heat sink ONLY was hot, but NOT the MOSFET. He and Roberto were amazed by this, because where the Mosfet was seated was only warm to the touch, but the "exposed" aluminum was very hot, giving off electrons.
Cheers,
Bruce
??
I had also read his patent - which is using 6 poles to roll a field about <just checked - got it in front right now - yep, Fig.1 of US 2002/0125774 A1 has 6 poles>
And. Have read a book by Tom Bearden (Free Energy Generation) in which he discusses a circuit working by creating a deep magnetic field as hard and as fast as possible - for a short time - and gathering excess energy on the rebound.
Seems to me that - the replication is working more like TB's design then SM's.
@ LindsayIt aint personal Bruce.
When can we expect to see pictures of your replication efforts? :)
Your comment on the aluminum is based on?? SM? Experimentation? Intuition?
I was simply quoting Otto and his thinking about the aluminum, for he feel VERY convinced that it is important. Now, if you say SM thinks it is unimportant, that will mean something, and we need to know it is from him.
Cheers,
Bruce
Any thing I do is about making this technology available..
The best way that I can .As I learn more, the methods will change...everybody do the same.. and we will have it.
A question that was put to me was . How long will it take for replicating people to be able to perfect the generator to the stage that Steven has?
I did not know the answer but i liked the challenge in the question..
Perhaps validation will work in their favor.
Im not answering about patents and people who want to copy....Its been covered many times..
Lindsasy
Hi Cam,
many thanks for running this demo.
I hope you can work out the last bugs from your circuit.
Did you already see any superimposing waveforms like Jason posted ?
Yes, I could see the bulb barely glowing, but how much power was going into
the system then ?
Did you see any strange waveforms at all with your setup ?
Many thanks.
UEC meeting is arranged.
The best way that I can .As I learn more, the methods will change...everybody do the same.. and we will have it.
A question that was put to me was . How long will it take for replicating people to be able to perfect the generator to the stage that Steven has?
I did not know the answer but i liked the challenge in the question..
Perhaps validation will work in their favor.
Im not answering about patents and people who want to copy....Its been covered many times.
Lindsasy
You are on the verge of being made believers very soon.
I did try adding 2 frequencies and the amps jumped to 7 but the frequency on the second was fighting the first so I got less results. As well I have a floating ball compass in the middle of the TPU but did not see any spin yet. But we need 3 frequencies matched properly to achieve this.you
Cam
...... and the unknown electrical club.
I thought I just stated in my last post that true input and output wattage needs to be determined, we need to do this be it windows motor, that guy with the newman motor, or the SM device. Please be patient, myself and the others are working real hard to provide real evidence.
I thought I just stated in my last post that true input and output wattage needs to be determined, we need to do this be it windows motor, that guy with the newman motor, or the SM device. Please be patient, myself and the others are working real hard to provide real evidence.
Kool! i will have a cold one then and await your results :)
@ Com
Your control coils looked to be made from single strand magnetic wire. Is this the case? The replication calls for STRANDED.
Also 7 amps output from your P/S in wire rated at 2.2 amps....Hmm....and they did not melt and burn up...hmm....I wonder why! LOL Think about it! :)
And besides this, you used a different circuit then the one posted. So this IS NOT a replication but your own ideas mixed with a properly wound coil. PLEASE RE READ Roberto on the NEW FAQ THREAD and then build it EXACTLY TO SPECS and then post.
Keeping it honest,
Bruce ;)
@ ComSay what, control coils are bifilar single strand primary and secondary... well that?s what I read, and collector around the rigs are multi strand. My TPU is a clone of Jason?s and I followed the tpu pdf. Have I got something wrong? Then both me and Jason got it wrong. The driving ctc, well as long as we get the pulse right , Jason was using a function generator with 50% duty mosfets. Mosfet, NPN transistor, hand switch <well maybe 180k by hand is not possible> ?.., many ways to achieve the same result. My power supply is a 12volt motorbike battery. Do you know how many amps those puppies can put out? Try it with a 50amp meter and hook it direct for a split second and see. Try to see how long you can short 28meg wire before it burns up. I have done all these tests. Gad if I can get the same results as Otto or Jason using just a battery not a mains power supply then I must have something right?. At least I hope so ;)
Your control coils looked to be made from single strand magnetic wire. Is this the case? The replication calls for STRANDED.
Also 7 amps output from your P/S in wire rated at 2.2 amps....Hmm....and they did not melt and burn up...hmm....I wonder why! LOL Think about it! :)
.....If Radiant Energy technology was allowed to supersede Fossil Fuel energy, all these recent wars in the Balkans and Middle East would possibly never have happened. I mean, isn't "The War of Terror" essentially a disguised Resource War for domination of what's left of the "Oil Patch"?
I firmly believe that energy emancipation is the most fundamental issue that prevents human civilization from making the next big leap forward. So why not change the world for the better? What is there to fear? Less pollution? Less poverty? Less war? Potentially diminished CO2 emissions that may factor into climate change?
Robby
Anyone who knows anything about transformers (especially pulse transformers) will tell you that the power is only transferred to the secondary coil when the square wave is switched on and off. In my case, ANY power the bulb would get from the power supply would HAVE to be transferred in the 46 ns that it takes for my MOSFET drivers to switch on the FETS, and an additional 46 or so ns to turn it off! the other tons of ms that the square wave is on (and drawing loads of current) is all a complete waste of the input power! I am driving my FETs with a 50% duty cycle square wave and this will be the first thing that I correct.
Lindsay:
I know you don't want to go down the "patent" path since you asserted it's already been discussed much. Somehow, I have not been able to find (at least in the USPTO public pair database) anything related to UEC as the assigned company and the only probable reference to SM is the patent on the semiconductor equipment patent (6,015,476) assigned to Applied Materials, if this is the real Steve Marks of the renown TPU!
The point is in any patented technology is for the inventor to publically disclose the invention in exchange for exclusivity of 15/20 years. So what is the big deal of disclosing where and what the supposedly patented technology is? If it is indeed patented?
This is why I am at a loss why this secrecy is in place, especially coming from you! Aren't you on the side of peopel fro free energy?
cheers
chrisC
@ Rich
My replication is coming along fine, unfortunately I live in a VERY rural area and have to Order everything online. We have parts arriving tomorrow and wire coming in Monday for my last control coil.
The document does give metric and it is difficult (impossible) to find those EXACT sizes here in the US. But it does say, stranded. If it does not matter, then it should perhaps be made clearer.
Cheers,
Bruce
Lindsay:
I know you don't want to go down the "patent" path since you asserted it's already been discussed much. Somehow, I have not been able to find (at least in the USPTO public pair database) anything related to UEC as the assigned company and the only probable reference to SM is the patent on the semiconductor equipment patent (6,015,476) assigned to Applied Materials, if this is the real Steve Marks of the renown TPU!
The point is in any patented technology is for the inventor to publically disclose the invention in exchange for exclusivity of 15/20 years. So what is the big deal of disclosing where and what the supposedly patented technology is? If it is indeed patented?
This is why I am at a loss why this secrecy is in place, especially coming from you! Aren't you on the side of peopel fro free energy?
cheers
chrisC
Jason wrote:QuoteAnyone who knows anything about transformers (especially pulse transformers) will tell you that the power is only transferred to the secondary coil when the square wave is switched on and off. In my case, ANY power the bulb would get from the power supply would HAVE to be transferred in the 46 ns that it takes for my MOSFET drivers to switch on the FETS, and an additional 46 or so ns to turn it off! the other tons of ms that the square wave is on (and drawing loads of current) is all a complete waste of the input power! I am driving my FETs with a 50% duty cycle square wave and this will be the first thing that I correct.
Jason, this is not correct.
If you recall, the RMS value of a 50% duty-cycle square wave is the Vpeak value.
If you did not have those ms of "ON-TIME", then the power transferred to the secondary would be diminished by the ratio of the duty cycle. So anything lower than 50% will decrease the output accordingly.
You may be wasting power, but ONLY if your coil is being fully energized BEFORE the pulse goes LO again. This time constant is determined by the inductance and series resistance of the coil you are driving, and the ON-TIME can be optimized by using 5X that time constant tau.
Darren
Rich,
Thanks ..you saved me ..twice!
All,
Im not surprised that some want to crucify me , I expect it!
It still hurts a bit though..
Lindsay
kokomo:
Thanks for the links. It wasn't that I can't be bothered to find the links. My point was, if indeed the controller or whatever else has been patented, then it is the public's right to know. It's not even about copying patented technology. Every invention should have been an improvement (supposedly distinctive & unobvious) over prior art.
Hence, whether it is UEC or SM himself or that lawyer, there is only one truth and that truth should not be "secret" if indeed patented. That's all really.
Thanks
chrisC
Look more detail into the circuit, It seems the output energy is delivered from the secondary of the control coil because 3 of them are typical air core step up transformer or Tesla coil. No mater the mobius coil exist or not, it already delivering energy. To prove whether the mobius coil is useful we can adjust the frequency and set to the best condition, then suddenly disconnect the mobius part from the circuit, check if any difference and adjust the frequency try to get previous max. output. By the way please waste your time to the patents and feelings until we got some anomalous result. We should concentrate to technology not OTHERS.
Ok tonight was a blast ,I used 1 frequency and I changed from transistors to a mosfet driver and mosfet?s?.. It?s the rise time that makes the difference; I tested duty cycle and no real difference. I need faster switching device, can you say tubes. Well maybe tubes next but first I want to research a controller I might be able to use. Tomorrow 24 volts to drive it and see if it performs better. When you touch the output? ya I love to feel it, it feels just like a Tesla coil discharge. This test was all battery no mains ,,, Off Grid and similar results as Jason. Trannies used 5 amps, mosfet used 1.5 amps @ 12 volts ? big difference. For all the bendini builders use mosfets you will be impressed. For those watching the camera I hope it was a really big show. It's the rise time just like Tesla said, just like static electricity on the move.
Oh Please don't touch like I do, I have years of experiance dealing with HV.
Cam
Rich,
Thanks ..you saved me ..twice!
All,
Im not surprised that some want to crucify me , I expect it!
It still hurts a bit though..
Lindsay
Not from me he didnt save you. My predictions stand.
I made my statement and i verbalized your next move in advance.
I even bet a some good brew on it, that little does he know i am a fellow brewmiester and brew connisuer and my favorite flavor is a nice flowery, goes down like milk, double decoction marzan. you and others here may not know what that means but he does. There's only one thing better and thats x rated! LOL
No one is crucifying you! You crucify yourself. The only thing you are a victim to here is yourself not us. By your own actions or inactions and the things you say.
You asked for questions and I gave you a legitimate one. When do we get to see a true DC rms filtered loaded and scoped output of sm's coil. If it comes to pass that is agreed upon that they will do it, i will tell you "exactly" how it must be performed to prove this device beyond anyones doubt as even that can be faked easily enough.
i am from missouri the "show me" state and my money is on it aint never a gonna happen.
You made the meeting with uec, i made my predictions and i made my call, now its only a matter of sitting back having that cold one and watching the truth unfold in one direction or the other.
Look at it from the bright side Lindsay, i gave you a nice challenge here so now is your chance to get "really" creative!
Again to all you builders this is between me an lindsay here, not you guys so keep on trucking and do your thing. I only want truth here and Mister Lindsay opened that door with an invitation and I chose to walk through it with a very resaonable request. The same one that is expected of me with anything i have ever designed anyway.
Ok tonight was a blast ,I used 1 frequency and I changed from transistors to a mosfet driver and mosfet?s?.. It?s the rise time that makes the difference; I tested duty cycle and no real difference. I need faster switching device, can you say tubes. Well maybe tubes next but first I want to research a controller I might be able to use. Tomorrow 24 volts to drive it and see if it performs better. When you touch the output? ya I love to feel it, it feels just like a Tesla coil discharge. This test was all battery no mains ,,, Off Grid and similar results as Jason. Trannies used 5 amps, mosfet used 1.5 amps @ 12 volts ? big difference. For all the bendini builders use mosfets you will be impressed. For those watching the camera I hope it was a really big show. It's the rise time just like Tesla said, just like static electricity on the move.
Oh Please don't touch like I do, I have years of experiance dealing with HV.
Cam
Hello all,
@Dave,
you need a proof of excess energy.
Just a question. You saw all the videos. Do they proove excess energy???
Otto
Hi all,
I must say, I am trying not to get carried away, something tells me this affect is not what people are hoping and that the power simply originates from the power supply. I do not think I will be replicating this for now! The tests done so far are not conclusive of anything.
Jason read the current on a digital meter at high frequency, no good. The digital meter on the power supply probably also got upset.
The unit is oscillating in the AM radio band, thus emission of RF, no surprise. I have had many problems in the past with my USB equipment disconnecting.
If the effect is one of conversion or gating of energy then why we need a few amps from a power supply, why not a 9v battery?
Jasons power suppy read 6 amps and 40 or so volts? It cannot go that high, so clearly something is wrong, however there is plenty of power there if you cross those figures. So Jasons supply has max 6 amps at 30v. It was reading 40v, clearly an artifact. BUT lets say the power supply was giving its max, 30v at 6 amps, thats 180 watts. Its a 40 watt bulb? The switching effect could easily convert that "power" to a higher voltage lower current and be enough to light that bulb.
Yes, the bulb doesn't light if you connect it to the power supply directly, but if you convert that same "power" to higher voltage lower current, it will light, the coil switching does this as the back emf converts the 30v higher current to higher voltage, lower current, but the power content is the same and is more than the bulbs rating.
I would say, we need to have a low current battery with a fast blow fuse. This way, no matter what the meter reads, if the fuse doesn't blow, we know we are not exceeding a certain current. We can also have a few diodes to prevent back flow to the battery if there is any.
Next, to place a bulb in a sealed box connected to the mains supply with a lux meter inside, compare proper known power to lux level. Now connect same bulb still in the box to the TPU and compare lux level. Even, using a Kill-A-Watt and a dimmer switch, chart known power to brightness levels from the mains source and chart this, then have a nice chart to compare from TPU brightness.
I know some of you will shoot me for saying this, but I think some people, including me on occasion are "too eager" to believe. We have high frequency spiking and the bulb can light from inductive heating effect. We have spikes on the leading edge and this can be caused by leakage inductance energy allowed to dissipate in the mosfet. Pleak = 1/2 Ip^2 Lleak?
Scopes blowing up are not proof either, we have 500v spikes. Scopes have a max input voltage you can apply without damaging the scope, some are 600v, some 1000v, etc, nothing sinister here, just the fact you didn't use a resistive divider to drop it down and then multiply the measurement afterwards.
So my current thoughts stand, what would I be replicating exactly? When I see proof of excess energy I will replicate it! Its not on me or anyone to prove that for someone else by replicating it! If someone else claims it, they have to prove it to others first!
So with respect to replicators so far, what exactly are you replicating? It cannot be excess energy since it hasn't been proven by the originators yet in order to be replicated by someone else?
Dave.
What the heck is scientific about being skeptical, and therefore deciding to do nothing? Do us a favor and prove us wrong!! And don't give me that burden of proof garbage. We've made our claims and provided our evidence. If you disagree with the evidence, your making claims, that need to be backed up by data!!
Build it, please, do us a favor, prove us wrong. That way, we don't have to waste any more time on this insanity. My wife would appreciate it.
Rich
What the heck is scientific about being skeptical, and therefore deciding to do nothing? Do us a favor and prove us wrong!! And don't give me that burden of proof garbage. We've made our claims and provided our evidence. If you disagree with the evidence, your making claims, that need to be backed up by data!!
Build it, please, do us a favor, prove us wrong. That way, we don't have to waste any more time on this insanity. My wife would appreciate it.
Rich
Hi Rich,
Burden of proof? If someone claims something surely they need to present proof rather than tell everyone else to go build it and prove it for them? I see no scope shots, graphs, heat or light power measurements tests? Perhaps I missed them in earlier posts as I missed your post earlier, I am at work and very busy!
Very well, as its a fairly quick project I will build this device.
But let me ask you all this, if I provide real test data and my interpretation is that it is not OU but coming from my power supply, is anyone going to believe me? I can no more prove you wrong at this time than you can prove me right.
Like I said, where are the measurements? Power on the mains side of the power supply, power from the power supply itself with scope across the power supply with one channel and a low resistance shunt inline with the other channel across that. Same for the bulb, same on each mosfet.
Lux comparison too a known source/power chart. Temperature tests, perhaps use a 1 ohm resistor as a load instead and meausure the temperature, then connect same resistor to variable DC supply and adjust until same temperature is reached and compare the DC voltage and current to find the power used to heat that resistor to the same.
Circuit which will trip from the power supply once a certain voltage and or current are reached and equivalent on TPU output, if the TPU output one goes first then there is more power in the TPU than coming from the supply, then reverse the units and try again to make sure they are equal in construction.
There are many testing methods and so far I have seen a couple of digital multimeters stuck on that cannot be trusted to sample properly above 1Khz. I dont think there is any burden on me!
I know its early days and I am sure all the testers have the above in mind to try during their testing, there is much more I have not mentioned. But you cannot measure with some multimeters and then go claiming OU.
So let me ask again, how sure are you really?
My results will follow.
Regards to all,
Dave.
does anyone have a kill-a-watt meter like this?
that would be a great test.
...remove the mobius loop! If the device still puts out the same power, then this speaks for itself...
First things first, slow down guys, and remove the mobius loop! If the device still puts out the same power, then this speaks for itself. That is the most obvious thing to change if you want to prove the device does what you believe it does. It has been brought to your attention, take the 30 seconds required, and try it.
Darren
Ok lets test this tonight. I want to first add the second frequency and log what is going on. Then lets take some of it apart. Strefan has set up a location that he feels may stream better so we can try the webcam there.
Cam
has anyone considered running this on an electronic circuit simulator.
The problem with the tests and evidence presented here so far, is it falls short of these requirements. Granted, many if not most of the testers may not be qualified electronics test people, but there are many suggestions being made here to try and help out in this respect.
Darren
ok so basicly we need to get this thing to run on something like a car battery and take some of the output and feed it back thrue a voltage regulator circuit which will furnish the power to the control circuit.
then as the system is energized from the car battery, we can disconnect it and if it keeps running, it would awnser alot of questions going round at the moment.
we can also switch in diodes to prevent the power from flowing back into the driving circuit.
Marco.
The problem with the tests and evidence presented here so far, is it falls short of these requirements. Granted, many if not most of the testers may not be qualified electronics test people, but there are many suggestions being made here to try and help out in this respect.
Darren
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Ok people have asked several important questions so here are the answers.
So for those who are interested in the truth here it is, no bias, just truth. Take it or leave it.
First; what is the most important thing above all else when designing an energy device?
*The ability to perform correct and accurate measurements.
There is NOTHING more important than this. a device is 100% worthless without it.
Most "free energy" devices fail because the inventor does not correctly measure the device.
Those who willfully fake this stuff, the con artists will never allow anyone to "properly" test their devices, that is the first mark of outright fraud.
So what do you all need to do?
Measure it properly!
If you properly measure your device taking into consideration all the things engineering people take into consideration then engineers will agree and work with you instead of drinking beer while you are winding and testing and slaving in the lab.
Inventors have to understand what a correct test is.
A correct test is properly measuring the input and properly measuring the output, then comparing the ratio of the 2.
That has not been done on the tpu according to the way an engineer would do it.
So here is how you can do it in a "crude" manner to see if you are even close to UO. If you are "close" then we can go to more accurate and sophisticated measuring techniques.
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First you start with the power source and from your power source you go to a series shunt to measure the input current.
I personally use 10 - 1 ohm 100 watt resistors in parrallel to yield .1 ohm at 1000 watts for my "series shunt" to measure input power.
We can now use the current through the shunt and th4e voltage to accurately calculate the power into the device(s).
Now from your shunt you want to block any rf feeding back into the supply so you put a big coil in series with yout your shunt. Use something like a 10milli henry coil smoothed by a 10000uf cap.
Now you have nice accurate way to easily measure your filtered source for your generator or your high power output drivers or both which ever way you go.
Put a dc rectifier on the output of your tpu run that to another filter cap and finally the load.
Scope/meter across the shunt for I, and then a meter from the shunt to ground to measure V, finally scope and meter the output across either a known load (resistor) or a shunt and a load.
The object behind this is that it significantly reduces your margin for error because even the crappiest meter can read "pure" or well filtered DC quite easily and quite accurately and so if you are all correct in your believe this will prove it beyond even an engineers doubt that you are on to something that "really" works.
As far as helping is concerned this is it. There is no better tool at your disposal than to know how to correctly assess your project and what i have given you here is a very crude and simple means of testing (most) energy devices accurately.
I hope this serves to clear up where i am coming from and why "everyone" should insist that anyone who wants them to believe in an energy device should at a minimum "insist" on clear and accurate output/input measurements before committing themselves to heavily in these sorts of things.
So here is the math.
Most have gens feeding your power circuitry.
output
CO = ----------
input (-/+) feed circuitry
Granted this is severely over simplified but i think most engineers out here would agree this is one of the most clear cut sure fire way to eliminate skeptism when presenting measured data to a professional in the industry simply because most meters read dc just fine.
Showing a light bulb or a drill or even a tv simply is not a bonafide test and no engineer will ever agree it is. (this is indisputable)
Granted this setup is crude but it will work and it will yield (with reasonable shielding techniques) accurate results.
Another important point on this is that it will tell you if your latests changes are an improvement or worsening and tell you exactly how much, so that will allow you to quantify your changes rather than kinda sorta bright and brighter dimmer etc.
If someone gets really close to unity then we can take this to the next step and account for all power used/gained in the system on a per system basis.
regards,
kj
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Darren ,many times i wanted to save you from the spinning magnets..but you were doing such a wonderful and thorough job..there was just a slight chance that ai was wrong ..I shut up!
Would you have apreciated me if I had said that I think that the cap is faulty?
Yes I had considered simulating this beast, and once I began thinking how exactly to model the ES coupling, I realized there is none, or very little.
That's when I noticed the mobius loops were not serving any purpose at all, other than providing a nice radiating element for the HF/RF. (Gee no wonder you guys were cooking yourselves ;) ) Oh, and btw, SM never mentioned any safety concerns regarding radiation, and his device does not apparently radiate much at all, in fact it is very sensitive to external EM interference.
It would be interesting to sim the circuit however without the mobius loop (couldn't sim with it anyway), and see if I can get similar waveforms Otto and Roberto got.
In theory, and if I am correct, removing the mobius loop should have little to no effect on the output power or the waveforms. However, I've been wrong before.
Regards,
Darren
@ Any answers for the Q&A needed
I'm not asking onyone to test this. I'm just asking too see if I should wind mine like this?
1) Could the frequency be sent to the primary void instead of the primary negative. By just putting a center tap on the primary when winding the bifilar CC. Is it electronically permissible?
2) Would doing number 1 permit you to remove the ground off the IRF840, or,
3) If the IRF840 needs this ground to function, would doing number 1 reduce the load comming back to ground on the IRF840? An educated guess.
I feel these are three very very important questions as this could give a whole new domension of being able to test parallel and series CCs, while trying various ring point connections.
Hi Hoppy,
Cam was the one that was in the lab, i was just his assistant, and jotted things down as we went along. In video were using 12volts (battery), note also video was done after we did alot of testing. Do not stop testing your setups, add the 3rd freq and do more tests.
We just did this because this is the time we had and we did it.
Also this is a reference point for other builders that can verify what we did.
Sincerely,
Dom
Earl.
Thanks for the heads-up on the DDS oscillator.
Unfortunately it doesn't output squares or pulses.
I suppose it one could interface it with their own zero-cross detector, and generate squares and pulses from that.
Regards, Darren
You may wish to lookup the operation of a 'regenerative' and 'Super-Regenerative' receiver.
ZPE, one thing I have been wondering, is if we were supposed to replace the mobius with a ferrite.
When we removed the mobius completely and did not replace it with anything, we could not get the bulbs to light much at all.
Rich
ZPE, one thing I have been wondering, is if we were supposed to replace the mobius with a ferrite.
When we removed the mobius completely and did not replace it with anything, we could not get the bulbs to light much at all.
Rich
What I think I said, and meant to say was, first with the two loops present, obtain some luminosity in the bulb, and note the intensity (take a snapshot of it for comparison).
Next, remove the wire loops, and again power up the device and take another snapshot to compare to the first. This is not an exact or reliable method, and is not the one I would be using myself. However, since everyone seems determined to use only bulbs, then that's what we have to work with I guess.
The bulb intensity should be about equal, if nothing else was changed. Keep in mind some tweaking of the frequency may be necessary to re-establish resonance again, if it drifted slightly for some reason. Keep the relative positions of the coils the same as when they had the wire loops going through.
Regarding the ferrite rod, there was no mention of the order in which things were done or swapped, so I am going to assume the following:
With the wire loops removed, and the ferrite rod inserted, a peak luminosity level was established. Then the ferrite rod was removed, and the intensity went to zero, or some low level.
Is this correct?
If yes, then I would expect that result. If things were done differently, please explain how.
Darren
I would agree Rich.
To be fair and correct, as I mentioned the coils should be in the same position for both scenarios.
For the test done with and without the ferrite, that's another ball game altogether.
I would expect two things to differ with and without the ferrite:
1) The bulb should be brighter with the ferrite (higher L = higher bemf?)
2) The main resonant frequency will be different with the ferrite, and should be lower.
Darren
Sorry but I dont think currently what is the importance of "3 of frequencies" and "rotating field", because it seems that the three CC coils and the Moebius "capacitor" has 1 main resonance. Maybe the Moebius has own resonance freq, if anybody from you are HAM (radio amateur) it would be greatful check it with a GDO.
Hey Rich:
With your one hose contraption, you ain't got that 44mm spacing which according to Otto, maximizes the coupling effect? Then you aren't comparing apples to apples. Just a thought.
Cheers
chrisC
Any deviation from the original signal or addition to , Harmonic and intermodulation is not good for stereo enjoyment, you know... Stereo? I have a three channel system I listen to. Sometimes the three channels combine together to create the most magnificent sound you could imagine. A whole new sound stage opens up and suddenly you are transformed to someplace else. Gosh, the reason I just hate transistors is because they are so slow and generate so much distortion!!! I think that transistors are basically useless for listening to really good high fidelity. all those harmonics somehow get through to the music output and just ruin the music... I am sure that you know what I am referring to.
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However when I want to design a new amp I always start with tubes and
when I get them perfected I move on the MOSFETS... I made an amp and had a really difficult time with a 35K resonance. I had so much trouble with it that I finally left the resonance there. I last measured it at 35.705K at a really high level. It is a good thing that I can't hear that high. But it does prove that my output transformer is capable of going up to 245K HZ. Which I measured. That makes sense to you does it? No one I have talked to realizes that yet. I use 15" speakers myself. They are 15" from the dead center of the outside flange to the other sides flange. You know transistors just don't do well at those high frequencies. They try hard but they just make all sorts of harmonics all over the place. dirty things transistors. MOSFETS are better you know if you wanted to make an amplifier that behaved as though it was a tube amp but in a smaller size. Well as soon as I get my amp finished I will let you know if I have any more problems with it. But I like the sound and the power of it already.
Take care.
Sincerely,
Hey Rich:
Are your max380 generators made from discreets or are they part of a complete instrument package (make /model)? Just curious. Trying to find a good, cheap function genertor I don't have to pay an arm/leg for.
Thanks
chrisC
Thanks Rob for the TL494 info, and the heads-up on the DDS board.
I've emailed ELV to see if they have an English version of the info pdf and if they'd ship to Canada. This one looks very promising.
Darren
I think this is a good time to remind people of something SM said.
"I ask you, what are these guys thinking about when they let their
ego's force them to ignore things i have said in the beginning and go off
trying to design and develop their own control devices using SS units.
SS units which are OUTBOARD of the collector ring i might add?
Some of them have gotten results and some of them have gotten big
power surges and dissipation of heat... all of which is wonderful and
certainly proves the point that there is truly something going on here.
BUT, i guarantee you that their SS control devices are all sitting right
beside the collector... aren't they?
They will probably never start the coil and get to catalyst.
I am not saying it is impossible, but it will Damn difficult for these guys to
get more then a big bang once in a while.
And just like me, that big bang will excite them enough to continue for a
while longer.
Maybe one of them will read back and see where I said the SS control
device must be placed inside the collector coil.
then they will explode with, MY GOD, maybe that is the reason why......
and off they will go. in the right direction at least.
God Bless
Tim.
Hey Rich:
Are your max380 generators made from discreets or are they part of a complete instrument package (make /model)? Just curious. Trying to find a good, cheap function genertor I don't have to pay an arm/leg for.
Thanks
chrisC
This setup is shown in the next picture for
the 6? ? 4? ECD. In the Fig. you will note: the 2 Mobius collector loops one inside
the other (glued to the side of a silicon hose used as support & shape), the
3 small transformers 120? apart, the heat sinks & Mosfets put near the loops,
the wing shaped solution for the coil support.
This was the time when Otto did post on Overunity Forum the ?Wing approach design?
for the shape of the Control coil & and a practical approach for implementing & positioning
of the collector coil itself.
Rich,
yes I think so..
I have my collector 90 deg to yours as this was Ottos first method ..the doc stats either way..just so we know one difference here.
I am usung non conductive black fuel hose..another difference..
As long as we know differences they shoud be of assistance us..
Of course it is not very likley that 2 will be the same however we do it.
Lindsay
@c0mster .. have u tried flipping the rig(180 degrees) to see how that affects performance?
devilzangel
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does SM use tube oscillators ???
@mrd10 .. hey .. thanks for the reply on the comment .. interesting .. and thanks for the vid upload .. (if i may suggest, in the future, please use youtube .. it makes it easier for the users to download the vid ;) )
devilzangel
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@Roberto,
Can you highlight here on this post what the seed looks like again, because in pdf theres no lines or arrows on the scope shots, so maybe were not looking at the correct thing. Again If you could post a pic with arrows on diagram, so we all know what to look for, that will help.
@ Dom,
Here is a full labelled image for all. I hope it will be of help
Roberto
In order to assist in defining what these "seeds" are, I've decided to simulate the circuit I posted.
If I can create these "seeds", I should be able to determine what they are, and what is causing them.
I will be striving only to re-create these waveforms, and will not be looking for or expecting overunity nor conversion processes nor anything of that nature. I also realize copper masses will not be accounted for here either.
I am asking anyone that has a control coil wound with the primary and secondary as per the document, and is able, please post your coil measurements.
- Primary and Secondary inductance and resistance.
OR
- coil length and diameter, and number of turns if possible, along with wire gauges.
It wouldn't hurt to compare everyone's coil specs anyway.
Thanks,
Darren
Thanks Rich...got those.
Inductance is the most important measurement I need however, and failing that, I can calculate approximate inductance from the coil dimensions I mentioned.
Darren
Folks it just occurered to me, that SM used to talk about Vacuum tubes right, well how do they function, they produce heat, same thing what Otto and Roberto have found out,
what if this is what cancels the magnetic flux and speeds up our electrons, same as what happens ina vacuum tube.
what about the imploding tv set, if the coil malfunctioned or there was heat involved, which set things in motion, wow.........................
refer to the heat magnet motor, you bring heat next to iron, with magnetic field near it like a magnet, and what happens, it looses it magnetism, so im thinking along those lines:-http://scitoys.com/scitoys/scitoys/magnets/magnets.html
Also we know that these things produced heat, so there's the other clue.
Kind Rgds,
Dom
Folks it just occurered to me, that SM used to talk about Vacuum tubes right, well how do they function, they produce heat, same thing what Otto and Roberto have found out,
what if this is what cancels the magnetic flux and speeds up our electrons, same as what happens ina vacuum tube.
what about the imploding tv set, if the coil malfunctioned or there was heat involved, which set things in motion, wow.........................
refer to the heat magnet motor, you bring heat next to iron, with magnetic field near it like a magnet, and what happens, it looses it magnetism, so im thinking along those lines:-http://scitoys.com/scitoys/scitoys/magnets/magnets.html
Also we know that these things produced heat, so there's the other clue.
Kind Rgds,
Dom
If you keep cooking your mosfets try the IRF730 they seem to perform well for me.
I will do some more test later in the week to verify the seed.
Cam
As per the document
Secondary 10.5m of .35mm wire
Primary 4.2m of .5mm ? 1mm wire
Control coils must be mass equivalent:
.5mm= 24gauge = .00122lbs per ft
1mm= 18gauge = .00492lbs per ft
4.2 meters = 13.777 feet
10.5 meters = 34.44 feet
13.777 ft * .00122Lbs per ft <24 gauge>= .01586lbs
.35mm = 28gauge = .00048Lbs per ft
.01586/.00048 = 33.04167ft of 28gauge
The doc math closely matches using 24 gauge as primary and 28 gauge as secondary.
Cam
ps .. i cant download the vid from the link or other vid downloaders .. it keeps erroring .. may be a prob on my end.
devilzangel
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Hello All,
I'm finally back from my weekend trip and thought I would take the time to draw up the the circuit diagram for my control circuit.
Hello all,
sorry I was a few days off line.
I saw the last video. A few comments:
1. there are 2 frequencies used and everything was OK. Then the 3. frequency added and nothing was OK!!!
When you use 3 frequencies, when you see that the 3rd frequency "disturbs" the other 2 frequencies then you MUST surch for better frequencies. The first 2 frequencies are NOT GOOD. You have to find a better frequency mix for your first 2 frequencies and then add the 3rd.
When all 3 frequencies are OK then you can swith off 1 frequency and the bulb shines NOT so bright as with all 3 of them. Then swith off 2 frequencies and the bulb is maybe only glowing.
In this case you know that all your 3 frequencies adds a littl power to the bulb. This is then the frequency mix you need.
This is then what I call a harmonic work off all 3 frequencies.
Otto
I was going to wind a coil, but I don't have the #24 wire, so I decided to try and calculate the inductances.
What I came up with:
Primary: 15.5uH, 0.36 Ohms, [165.32 inches of #24 wire], 90 turns
Secondary: 107.8uH, 2.28 Ohms, [413.28 inches of #28 wire], 248 turns
I used a coil length of 1", and a starting bobbin diameter of 0.5".
Hopefully a few people will add their specs for comparison.
Regards,
Darren
Hello All,
I'm finally back from my weekend trip and thought I would take the time to draw up the the circuit diagram for my control circuit.
It uses the mic4427 MOSFET drivers for the IRF840 MOSFETs. For those of you wondering where to order them, they can be purchased inexpensively from this website here:
http://www.arrow.com/
Search for mic4427BN. That is the correct chip.
I am currently modifying my control circuit to output extremely small duty cycle square waves (500 ns pulse width) to conserve input power. My firm view is that we only want to put in enough current to load the coil inductance and no more. Any extra input will simply be wasted. The attached circuit diagram does not include the ICs I will be using for the pulse width control but I will be using the 74HC423N chip. It is a Dual retriggerable monostable multivibrator which, using a resistor and capacitor allows you to vary the output pulse width from a minimum of 75ns and up. The mic4427NB drivers need a minimum 500ns pulse width to turn on and off properly.
As soon as I have finished the modifications to the control circuit, I will post an updated circuit diagram.
The board I have currently runs on a single 9V battery and the input frequencies are controlled by three separate battery-powered function generators, which I bought from here:
http://www.electronickits.com/kit/complete/meas/fg500k.htm
They have a range of 1Hz to 1MHz. Above, 500k, the square wave output really breaks down but since the FET drivers are comparator driven, it won't affect the switching of the MOSFETs.
That should be all you need to make this circuit. If you want to use 555 timers, make sure that you put some capacitors in parallel with the power supply inputs to the timer chips because the FET drivers draw a lot of power when they are running. If you have any problems, PM me and I'll see what I can do to help you.
God Bless,
Jason O
Jason:
Thanks again. can you vary the duty cycle on these?
chrisC
Jason,
your FET driver circuit has a big error. The manufacturer's spec sheet shows a test circuit which they use to determine the switching speeds. They simulate the large FET input capacity by using a 1nF on the driver output.
In the real world, when you use this FET driver, you must remove this 1nF capacitor; the FET gate already has 1nF or 2nF capacity and you don't want to have an additional capacitance in the form of a 1nF capacitor!
As additional comments,the 4uF7 capacitor should be labeled tantal
the 0uF1 capacitor should be marked ceramic
it should be mentioned that additional parallel ceramic capacitors never hurt. For example, additional 1nf and 10nF bypass capacitors.
Pay a lot of attention to the polarity of the tantal capacitor, if wrong polarity the tantal will catch fire and turn into a block of carbon. Quite a spectacle.
Regards, EarlHello All,
I'm finally back from my weekend trip and thought I would take the time to draw up the the circuit diagram for my control circuit.
@Jason,
Earl is correct: remove the 1 nF condenser on Mosfet's Gate! It will only decrease the pulse rise-time in our case! If I were you I'll remove the resistor either as it does not need except perhaps for safety rule.
Roberto
Hello all,
@Darren,
I totally agree with you. The point is, there are a lot of new people....not in electronics...
With 3 synchronised frequencies its muuuuch better and easier to work but if you have such a success as I had then there is no equipment anymore.
I wanted that the people first learn how to mix, whats going on with the current and voltage from the power supply and then synchronise the frequencies.
@Roberto
be careful.
Otto
http://www.hauntedfrog.com/gt/movies/2007/duckon/SingingTeslaShow.html
I was going to wind a coil, but I don't have the #24 wire, so I decided to try and calculate the inductances.
What I came up with:
Primary: 15.5uH, 0.36 Ohms, [165.32 inches of #24 wire], 90 turns
Secondary: 107.8uH, 2.28 Ohms, [413.28 inches of #28 wire], 248 turns
I used a coil length of 1", and a starting bobbin diameter of 0.5".
Hopefully a few people will add their specs for comparison.
Regards,
Darren
GK,
CC - Control Coils - 1" width
Tubing for collector = 1/2"
Tim
I was thinking what WaveWatcher was saying about the clues in the post from SM, maybe it was SM himself???
I was trying to figure out the tie-up between 35.705KHz harmonic and 245KHz output.
So what combination will fit them together exactly?
Maybe 245KHz was a ballpark figure so as not to give the farm away?
If you have:
249.935KHz / 7 = 35.705KHz
249.935KHz / 5 = 49.987KHz
249.935KHz / 4 = 62.48375KHz
These would all be in perfect sync if you use 3 x divide by n devices all fed from a common function generator.
Also, there has been no mention of a tuning capacitor so the coils can be tuned to their harmonic frequencies.
Regards
Rob
Sorry no input lately. Have my earlier project knocking my socks off right now. Research the effects from it I am finding direct relationships to SM stuff. Please take a gander at my attachments. Not supposed to be online right now.
I am convinced the amp goes in the middle because of time dilation and the coil is Mobius in a coaxial or waveguide construction. 180 degree seems to refer to phase angle not position or quantity of coils. The signal source is earth's core. The SM coil and my contraption are simply Farady pickup coils.
Loop antennas provide multiple gains at higher than designed resonance at almost random points of the spectrum. I am convinced his coils were flat tubing, waveguides or coaxial and Mobius.
Am I sounding weird? You would be too.
More later.
I am convinced THIS IS NO FAKE. Since mine knocked me flat last night - after it was disconnected I don't think mine is either (no caps no controller!). Maybe I've just gone nuts. I'll sleep on it.
ok guys ..
ATTACHED is a PNG file that has SCREENSHOTS of the 15" TPU, the preliminary TPU, and the open black TPU from SM's Videos.
link to post: http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,2285.msg36145.html#msg36145
The Image file is 3.79MB in size. I tried to keep it as high quality as possible + PNG format
one thing i find important to note is that i see FOUR coils in the open black TPU .. 2 thick wire windings, and 2 fine wire windings. (they might ALL be the same thickness, though hard to tell).. i have added notes in the images as well.
EDIT: ANOTHER point as WAVEWATCHER says .. the WIRES are FLAT and horizontal parallel in the 15" crosssection cutout.
I have also uploaded the same image file to ImageShack (i dont know what the fetch limit is on imageshack, so this link might stop showing after some of u DL from there)
(http://img225.imageshack.us/img225/8863/smvideosscreenshotsaz9.th.png) (http://img225.imageshack.us/my.php?image=smvideosscreenshotsaz9.png)
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devilzangel
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2 Tests tonight....
Can my triple step-up coil (Tesla Style) newman motor light a bulb on one coil?
Can the magnet bar be made to move with the addition of dc in one other coil. (as per doc posted earlier)?
Results , Yes and Yes, when 9V was applied to the upper coil the magnetic field disappeared in the device and the bar rotated freely by hand. There was no change in the output of the light.
Cam
Darren:
I totally agree with your analysis, especially the need for synchronization of the harmonics or at least some precision control of the wired OR common path. Did SM not say that there is a requirement of quality engineering equipment to be able to perform enginerring analysis? Maybe I mis-read that but I somehow remmebered the need for good tools.
Regards
chrisC
Darren:
I totally agree with your analysis, especially the need for synchronization of the harmonics or at least some precision control of the wired OR common path. Did SM not say that there is a requirement of quality engineering equipment to be able to perform enginerring analysis? Maybe I mis-read that but I somehow remmebered the need for good tools.
Regards
chrisC
Chris,
Yes precision frequency adjustment would be necessary I would think. This is why I'm not sure using DIP switches for frequency selection (if I read that correctly) will be useful for capturing the desired frequency. It sounded like Roberto and Jason are going that route.
Please note that my last posted representation of the circuit, is merely that. It was not intended as a circuit to build. I was trying to illustrate how the primaries are being switched, and to make it easier to visualize what happens with different input scenarios.
One could build this circuit, and it would work, but it won't be the same as the original. I recommend everyone build a divider and drive it with a single (quality) oscillator with fine frequency adjustment. If there is a 3 frequency combination that makes this thing sing, then this is the only way you are going to find it. Also, stay with the 3 FETs and 3 coils the same as Otto's, then you'll be comparing apples with apples.
SM mentioned the use of expensive lab instrumentation to analyse and perhaps detect the overunity he talked about so much involving the piece of wire. This has always troubled me because he mentions that it is so simple and we should start with this in our research, yet we may never be able to detect the effect it supposedly achieves, especially when we are not certain what exactly the effect is we are looking for, i.e. the "kick".
Darren
One thing ran into another and I tied the pulse from one coil to another with some LC (no, not big enough mFd to hold a shock) to phase it so it is useful and next thing I know I have two small hacked RS transformers with PM inserted linked as one howling, audibly, about 300hZ with no signal applied.
Have you guys noticed what WaveWatcher said:QuoteOne thing ran into another and I tied the pulse from one coil to another with some LC (no, not big enough mFd to hold a shock) to phase it so it is useful and next thing I know I have two small hacked RS transformers with PM inserted linked as one howling, audibly, about 300hZ with no signal applied.
Note: "RS" stands for RadioShack, I believe, "PM" for Permanent Magnet, and "LC" for Inductor and Capacitor (to make a resonant tank and also change the phase a bit so it adds in feedback)
EM
Have you guys noticed what WaveWatcher said:QuoteOne thing ran into another and I tied the pulse from one coil to another with some LC (no, not big enough mFd to hold a shock) to phase it so it is useful and next thing I know I have two small hacked RS transformers with PM inserted linked as one howling, audibly, about 300hZ with no signal applied.
Note: "RS" stands for RadioShack, I believe, "PM" for Permanent Magnet, and "LC" for Inductor and Capacitor (to make a resonant tank and also change the phase a bit so it adds in feedback)
EM
High all,
please look at Otto's mixer: what is implemented is not OR but rather a sort of 'WIRED AND'.
Have you asked yourselves what happen when for example the lower freq oscillator is in it's 1 level? Well the connected Mosfet's Drain is locked to zero level so locking the same for all the others!! (no matter what they are doing).
Although I've used sine waves for the calculations the same principle still applies because your coils are physically spaced at different degrees apart around a circle. Becauase you are dealing with pulses into the kilohertz and even mega hertz which create magnetic waves that mix, the exact position of your coils, to the nearest 0.5mm will be critical to the phase required between your pulses. My guess is that 1st, 2nd and 3rd harmonics will work when the coils are identical AND they are positioned precisely around a circle equal distances apart. If your coils are slightly different and not quite in the correct place, your sweet spot frequencies don't lie on the 1st, 2nd, 3rd harmonics, resulting in only partial conversions.
Hmm i always thought the sweet spot frq was a system response?
Below is to Anyone? Everyone?
I would really and truely like to know the following:
1) What exactly is a kick?
2) What Exactly is a seed?
3) Does anyone have the algorythm or whatever math is used for "majic" please?
Last the question I keep asking over and over and have yet to get any kind of reasonable answer on:
4) How do you combine the "harmonics"?
5) Exactly what do you expect to see when combining those harmonics?
@Wavewatcher,
Here's another thought I have been having:
Maybe the three coils can setup a magnetic magnifying lens that pulls in a massive concentration of magnetic earths field from above and below the ring. This magnetic field (vortex) induces the power in the output coils of the TPU.
@Darren,
Yes, in that sense we are speaking of the same final effect which is important.
For what I've seen the 'Seed' is created by a sweet combination of the 3 frequencies and from the catalyst field produced by the Mobius loops which MUST accelerate any particles (electrons, ions...) that appear to be in the nearings (tested experimentally: if you increase the heath sink modules distance from the ring...the Seed disappears!). Then saying how is the creation process is really for now impossible. I urge every body to think about this!
Roberto
@Wavewatcher,
Here's another thought I have been having:
Maybe the three coils can setup a magnetic magnifying lens that pulls in a massive concentration of magnetic earths field from above and below the ring. This magnetic field (vortex) induces the power in the output coils of the TPU.
Thats what I said, vortexes!
Yes, Darren,
Wave watcher , Fantastic stuff, but Please do another thread! This one is for Otto and Roberto replication.
All else here, I urge you to do the replication.
You have the document??
What's stopping you?
It may not be a running generator yet but Please If have the skill its is time to do something..Common ground you know.
A walK to first base?
Before long most of the discussions will only be relevent to those who have a little tornado...and some "seeds".
Threads may become a bit disjointed as new people parachute in!
Great Days!!
Lindsay Mannix
please describe for us what exactly a tornado is and how one can produce it?
Is that something taken from maxwell's sets of equations?
The opposite of distain! I did not want to take wind away from anyone. Right now I wish I kept my mouth shut.
If ANYONE wants to query me - look for a new thread. I'll make one. Don't bother asking me for info about my current project on this thread. I will not respond.
I have already started my own TPU because the amount and quality being learned here would be a great asset for my project. At some point info from mine may aid in a TPU design. If so I'll post - no need to ask for it.
The work on this thread is to important and the TPU appears likely to be a much better method to achieve same. Self-running doesn't mean squat if the thing wants to explode.
Any ideas/reports I post here will only have to do with Otto and Roberto's work or the replication thereof.
Argh! Supposedly I have an IQ that scares folks but that doesn't mean I'm not stupid.
:-X
@ Bob R.
HELP...please verify!!!
I did an edit of somethings:
3.5 volts input
Square Wave
7.23 Hz <------ I have said this frequency is in the TPU because of the clues!!
OUTPUT
30.36 KV
What do I say, I am speechless!
@ Bob R.
HELP...please verify!!!
I did an edit of somethings:
3.5 volts input
Square Wave
7.23 Hz <------ I have said this frequency is in the TPU because of the clues!!
OUTPUT
30.36 KV
What do I say, I am speechless!
so you put 3.5 volts in at 7 htz and got 30,000 volts out?
What was the input current and the output current?
Yes, Darren,
Wave watcher , Fantastic stuff, but Please do another thread! This one is for Otto and Roberto replication.
All else here, I urge you to do the replication.
You have the document??
What's stopping you?
It may not be a running generator yet but Please If have the skill its is time to do something..Common ground you know.
A walK to first base?
Before long most of the discussions will only be relevent to those who have a little tornado...and some "seeds".
Threads may become a bit disjointed as new people parachute in!
Great Days!!
Lindsay Mannix
please describe for us what exactly a tornado is and how one can produce it?
Is that something taken from maxwell's sets of equations?
Yes, the tornado is part of maxwell's equations.
Please Kokomo, if you have blatant disdain for what we are doing, why do you torture yourself here?
Awesome! I guess i must have either overlooked it or we are using different text books?
Would you please be so kind as to give me the ISDN number or the title and publisher of your reference for that so I can go to the library and look it up? Or URL i am not picky..... I would very much appreciate it because I cannot find it in my stuff. TIA
Then what about "kick" and "seed" and finally that long unanswered question of "how can harmonics be lined up"?
Who did the work on them, Lorentz? Faraday? Hertz? Tesla? I have not been able to find reference to any of them either and maybe you can help me better understand what is going on here by either explaining exactly what those are or by providing me with the appropriate references so that i may do my own research and look them up for myself. Again TIA.
No not disdain or torture at all. i have no idea how asking for references and definitions would possibly be interpreted as disdain, do you use a different dictionary than the rest of the world?
I simply want to know what all that means before i consider winding a coil.
A kick (in the ass) is something my father did when we were naughty children.
A seed is something we planted in the garden and a plant would grown.
Harmonics is garbage as a result of the fundamental.
So you can imagine how totally confused i am when i hear all these terms thrown around that simply do not make any sense to me, so that is why i am asking.
Very simple questions i would think for researchers like yourselves. no?
@ Bob R.
HELP...please verify!!!
I did an edit of somethings:
3.5 volts input
Square Wave
7.23 Hz <------ I have said this frequency is in the TPU because of the clues!!
OUTPUT
30.36 KV
What do I say, I am speechless!
so you put 3.5 volts in at 7 htz and got 30,000 volts out?
What was the input current and the output current?
kokomojo, put brain in gear before operating mouth!
It's clear from the last few thread posts that we're talking about the simulator.
Get off the case with the input/output stuff. It's getting boring.
At this point we're examining anomalies.
We believe that identifying and then fully utilising these anomalies will result FURTHER DOWN THE ROAD, in an overunity device.
I can categorically say that now the device is NOT OVERUNITY in its present form.
my apologies. Just curious man... My multisim indicates input and output.
Not sure why that is such a problem for everyone since that is how "over unity" is determined after all.
Yeh and that is anoth4er thing that is confusing to me; if it is not over unity how can anyone claim a "successful replication of the tpu ecd" as the title of this thread says? i simpy dont get it?
I'm a total newbee here but completely captivated by this thread.
I've downloaded all the PDF files... watched the videos, and am totally excited about this potential.
The question that I have however is simple...
Why doesn't anyone simply contact Steven Mark and ask him for help?
FB
Yes, Darren,
Wave watcher , Fantastic stuff, but Please do another thread! This one is for Otto and Roberto replication.
All else here, I urge you to do the replication.
You have the document??
What's stopping you?
It may not be a running generator yet but Please If have the skill its is time to do something..Common ground you know.
A walK to first base?
Before long most of the discussions will only be relevent to those who have a little tornado...and some "seeds".
Threads may become a bit disjointed as new people parachute in!
Great Days!!
Lindsay Mannix
please describe for us what exactly a tornado is and how one can produce it?
Is that something taken from maxwell's sets of equations?
Yes, the tornado is part of maxwell's equations.
Please Kokomo, if you have blatant disdain for what we are doing, why do you torture yourself here?
Awesome! I guess i must have either overlooked it or we are using different text books?
Would you please be so kind as to give me the ISDN number or the title and publisher of your reference for that so I can go to the library and look it up? Or URL i am not picky..... I would very much appreciate it because I cannot find it in my stuff. TIA
Then what about "kick" and "seed" and finally that long unanswered question of "how can harmonics be lined up"?
Who did the work on them, Lorentz? Faraday? Hertz? Tesla? I have not been able to find reference to any of them either and maybe you can help me better understand what is going on here by either explaining exactly what those are or by providing me with the appropriate references so that i may do my own research and look them up for myself. Again TIA.
No not disdain or torture at all. i have no idea how asking for references and definitions would possibly be interpreted as disdain, do you use a different dictionary than the rest of the world?
I simply want to know what all that means before i consider winding a coil.
A kick (in the ass) is something my father did when we were naughty children.
A seed is something we planted in the garden and a plant would grown.
Harmonics is garbage as a result of the fundamental.
So you can imagine how totally confused i am when i hear all these terms thrown around that simply do not make any sense to me, so that is why i am asking.
Very simple questions i would think for researchers like yourselves. no?
kokomoj0,
..... perhaps you're being a sillybugger at times with them?
Regards,
Darren
@ WaveWatcher
I have read through both of your downloads. Very impressive information. Now I see how you came to the time dilation theory. General relativistic electromagnetic effects explains it fairly well.
The other download CERTAINLY makes the case for Alternating current being used in the control coils rather than Direct Current. I too have said this for some time now, and I am convinced that this is what SM did. But your download give the scientific reason "why" I do believe.
As far as winding the collectors as an antenna, I and my researchers had thought of that but then had set that idea aside. So, in your theory of operation, we have collectors with mobius, wound as an antenna, tuned to resonate. Alternating Current for the input to control coils, and then the frequencies to bring resonance = electrical power output. And "tuning" the Alternating Current to the core (7.23 Hz) would be best. Is this your thoughts? (It sure sounds alot like mine! LOL)
Thank you for your time
Bruce
7.23 hz is quite close to, but slightly off, the figure of 7.83 -
the Earth's field - might this be because a more precise tuning would result in the very situation SM warned against? a runaway event?
Magnetite
YES THERE IS A ROTATING FEILD WHICH CAUSES ELECTRONS TO FLOW IN COPPER WIRE AND BE USED TO PROVIDE USEFULL WORK FORCE. THERE ARE MANY WIRES PERPINDICULAR TO THE MAIN
COLLECTOR.(Control coils) THIS IS A NECESSARY PART OF THE DEVICE.
SINCERELY,
SM.
i cant help but wonder .. SM, if he is reading this thread, might be laughing his ass off seeing how complicated we are making this thing ..
what i think:
2 horizontal rings (connected in some fashion) (maybe a 1 turn mobius)
4 vert. coils in a cross pattern over the bottom ring (approx 10-11 turns each)
2 neo mags placed across each other, in between 2 of the vertical coils
and somehow this thing is pulsed in some fashion .. (1 carrier wave (noise), 1 base freq, 2 harmonics... uggh .. dont know)
for reference, look at the few pics at the bottom of the screenshots i put up here: http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,2285.msg36145.html#msg36145
MANNIX .. please ask SM WHY there are 4 COILS .. we are under the impression that there are 3 total coils oriented in a 120degree fashion (from all the letters i read) .. but this is NOT the case when looking at the video screenshots.
i hope to someday start my own experiments on this thing .. unfortunately this is not right now; my dad would go crazy seeing me working with this stuff, especially when i am getting a degree in finance!! lol.
Jesus .. over 500 posts .. how the heck am i supposed to keep up .. ???
devilzangel
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Okay, kokomoj0 I have set you now on Read Only access.
Regards, Stefan.
Also, the 50 Hz signal you are now getting is probably coming from your mains supply. Do you have fluorescent fixtures near by?
Tim
Otto,
It has been 3 months now since you claimed you had a WORKING TPU and you claimed you could PROVE it.
That certainly catched my attention and i dropped all my experiments aswell as all my research activities to catch up with you.
You told "us" we were wasting our time and all our coils were wound the wrong way.....etc.
I was wondering how can you be so sure since you do not have any idea of what i was actually doing.
Now you are talking about the number of turns...
This makes me think....
I guess we all know what happens when we wrap bifilar coils with variable number of turns.
It is called stepping up.
untill now i have not seen any real indication of your so called "creation of energy"
Here is a pdf, so you can see what you claimed, in case you forgot.
I am going to contin
ue my own experiments because they were going quite nicely before all of this.....
Marco.
I've taken a stab at simulating the circuit as I posted earlier, with the 3 bifilar coils, and 3 switches.
A single frequency f1 at 40kHz was used, and the results are shown in the pdf.
Notice the component I added at the output? Look at the waveforms in Otto's and Roberto's pdf, and perhaps you'll see why I did this.
Did they use this component also, as there would certainly be portions of the waveforms below the 0 line as well?
Also notice the "artifact" in between the bemf pulses?
Cheers,
Darren
PS. Although it is stated in their pdf that 40kHz was used, it appears to be closer to 55kHz.
Hello all,
Im 4 days at home. Must not go to work. So Im playing with coils.
Today I wanted to know how many turns should have my primary coil of my little transformer. I did a loooot of tests. I spent a lot of hours, cutted my primary coil, measured....result NOTHING!!!!!
The point is: THE DIAMETER AND THE LENGHT OF THE PRIMARY COIL IS NOT IMPORTANT!!!!!
First I had a 12m long coil and pulsed this coil. Signals fine....then shorter and shorter and then I saw it: at a frequency between 50 kHz and 60 kHz I could clearly see SINE WAVES!!!!! This happens at 12m or 2m lenghtof my coil.
Yes, I know what Im wrighting. The lenght and diameter is NOT important. To see sine waves the frequency is important.
This sine waves I saw with a 0,5mm diameter coil even less then 2m long!!! Just 1 frequency and a wire. But I have to say that everything is connected like in a TPU: I have the Mobius and my pulsed MOSFET is on a copper plate arround 5 x 3 cm in dimensions and 1cm thick. Of course I can also see the seeds. They are so little that my scope is in the range of 200mV. Then I can see the seeds.
Dont ask for a picture because my camera is "out of house". The seeds and the sines are the same as in the pdf. Oh, no, not the same because I have no secondary coil. The sines are arround 10 - 15V.
Now, Its clear why we need a secondary coil, or to say it better, why we need a little transformer in our TPU:
In the primary at 50 - 60kHz sine waves are created and the secondary coil is an amplifier.
Just look at the open TPU. Try to see how many red wired windings you can see.
Otto
Hi Roberto,
One other thing looking at your scope shots. I find it quite remarkable that your partial sine wave seems to have a period of about 40 uS, which is only 25 kHz! This is amazing to see considering the extremely short lengths of wire on your TPU! Does the sine wave appear to be the same frequency for all your TPUs or does it, in fact, vary with the coil's circumference? This is a clear sign that there is something else going on than simple coil resonance!
Hopefully I won't be too far behind you in the testing department. There are just so many other life distractions slowing me down.
God Bless,
Jason O
@Darren,
your SPICE simulation is really nice and useful: if you like I can mesaure the coils parameters in order to make a more correct simulation. Unfortunately for us it cannot take in account the mag fields interactions into Mobius coils. I've also SPICE and have used it extensively in the past, now it is impossible because it will clobber my Notebooks...Hmmm I've to use another computer and reload it (I've PSPICE).
Ciao
Roberto
“If the rate at which a current traverses the circuit, including the coil, be one hundred and eighty-five thousand miles per second, then a frequency of nine hundred and twenty-five per second would maintain nine hundred and twenty-five stationary waves in a circuit one hundred and eighty-five thousand miles long, and each wave would be two hundred miles in length. For such a frequency I should use a secondary fifty miles in length, so that at one terminal the potential would be zero and at the other maximum."
... so that at one terminal the potential would be zero and at the other maximum
And if your frequency was not quite on target, then it would appear from a standing point to be passing by.
Just did a test of a twin coil with each frequency originating from opposite ends. Input about 12 p/p on each. Output to scope > 250. Alas, no power tho. Bulb load killed it completely to a 90 degree coil. Resonant point about 350k. Same direction, nada.
sugra
@Btenzer:
That is correct, that was two seperate gens running using only the positive lead from each. No grounds were hooked up. I have been trying to figure out how to achive some sort of terminating point for each signal with out using the grounds. Not sure how I would do it.
If and when I get my fet drives in the mail, I will be trying that again with really short pulse durations. Then I will see if that output has any power asociated to it. Laterz
@Darren,
hi, here are the measures done on my 6" ECD equipped with CC as per my TPU=ECD doc:
- Primary - R=0.5Ohm, L= 15nH
- Secondary - R=3Ohm, L=0.23mH
-Primary/Secondary intercapacitance = 485pf
-Mobius interwire capacitance = 74pf
It would be interesting to insert them on your model and compare the results!
Roberto
Hello all,
@chrisC
exactly. But to measure the current would be a problem. The frequency is too high and my analog meter would not be a good idea. Anyway I will try it.
Otto
Ronotte:
The video can't be downloaded. It says something like 'error' in Italian. Maybe it's too large?
Thanks anyway.
chrisC
Hello all,
@Clive,
I can only say that I cant exact measure the amps because I havent the needed equipment.
Of course, its totally clear that with my analog meter I cant measure the input and output power.
I will ask Roberto if he can make this job. I hope he has such meters and a battery.
Otto
Thank you for posting the DDS-20 kit. I sure would love to see your kit running. Please let us know if the output driver will drive the Control Coils directly or do you still need special fast switching output drivers?
Also, are you in Europe or the UK where you can buy these parts. Apparently there is no distributor in the US.
@Darren,
yes it's probably a typo...sorry. For sure I'll double check it today and let you know. Of course I'll measure the bulb hot & warm resistance, please specify how you want me to measure it's capacitance: do you mean against ground?
For the Mobius I could also measure its capacitance between the two wires and against the ground...what do you suggest?
Roberto
@Darren,
here are the correct values:
Prymary: 0.023 mH
Secundary: 0.22mH
Cold bulb Resistance = 59.6 Ohm
Hot bulb Resistance = 420 Ohm (similar light emission)
regards
Roberto
Hello all,
@Clive,
I can only say that I cant exact measure the amps because I havent the needed equipment.
Of course, its totally clear that with my analog meter I cant measure the input and output power.
I will ask Roberto if he can make this job. I hope he has such meters and a battery.
Otto
@ChriscThank you for posting the DDS-20 kit. I sure would love to see your kit running. Please let us know if the output driver will drive the Control Coils directly or do you still need special fast switching output drivers?
Also, are you in Europe or the UK where you can buy these parts. Apparently there is no distributor in the US.
No, it needs to drive a mosfet driver then mosfet.
I tried to drive the mosfet directly but I think it overloads the output stage and it shuts down at the higher frequencies, say 5MHz.
Yes, I am in the UK, the kit was purchased from ELV in Germany, you should be able to order it for the US too.
http://shop.elv.de
Search for DDS 20 or 6847138
The kit does not include the AD811 so you can buy that from them or like I am doing, buy it from somewhere cheaper.
Its an easy kit to build and if you do decide to go for it I can help out if you get problems.
I have translated most of the manual now in English.
Rob
Hi Darren,
it's very interesting, now I can see that the waveform on pulse leading edge is similar to that ECD. Just in order to be able to compare the results could you please run the following tests?:
- 1 coil 1 freq (ok 55KHz).. In this situation you should see no sinus trace, jus bursts of RE
-1 coil 2 freq (55KHz, 60 KHz)...In this situation you should see a complete different burst of RE: the peaks are summing up and on ZERO point only you should see the piece of sinus appearing at 50KHz.
I forgot to say that generally I put scope probe on ZERO and PHASE (scope ground is to PS ground) and please in all the tests take out for the moment the diode as the load is always direct connected.
Thanks very much
Roberto
If you want to generate fundamental, first and second harmonics, you are going to require a divide by 1.5.
@Darren,If you want to generate fundamental, first and second harmonics, you are going to require a divide by 1.5.
Thats easy, double the master clock frequency and do a divide by 3.
You just need to multiply up all the divisors to integers then use the divide by whole numbers, much easier and a lot more flexible I think you'll agree.
Rob
Easier depends on what you want to achieve for flexibility. For pure f1, f2, f3, the circuit I posted is the easiest, and was not meant to be flexible in regards to generating anything other than f1, f2, and f3.Your circuit posted here:
Going back to SM's material, this is what is required, and I tend to stick to what the inventor has told us. Any changes or deviations, and we're no longer building strictly to the few undisputable facts he has given us.Do we know for a fact that the frequency ratios are 1 : 1.5 : 3 ?
Sorry Ronotte, but as i see IMGP2296 i guessed the bulb brightness consumes about 30W, and now i see your specs and the input power is in that range. Looks like ecd is a transformer up to now. ??
d.
Attached is a very rough copy of what I have so far:
@Darren,Easier depends on what you want to achieve for flexibility. For pure f1, f2, f3, the circuit I posted is the easiest, and was not meant to be flexible in regards to generating anything other than f1, f2, and f3.Your circuit posted here:
http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,2535.msg36260.html#msg36260
Not sure if the flip flops U1A & U1B will start off correctly.
Also the duty cycle is a bit strange, and the sync seems lop-sided.
All avenues need exploring so give it a go.Going back to SM's material, this is what is required, and I tend to stick to what the inventor has told us. Any changes or deviations, and we're no longer building strictly to the few undisputable facts he has given us.Do we know for a fact that the frequency ratios are 1 : 1.5 : 3 ?
Did ELV get back to you about shipping to Canada?
Email customer services and ask Stephanie about shipping.
I am still translating the manual into English and I will add some of my own photos.
[edited]
Attached is a very rough copy of what I have so far:
Regards
Rob
The first frequency, then second harmonic component into the second, then the third.
...This is what he (SM) says exactly:QuoteThe first frequency, then second harmonic component into the second, then the third.
How do you interpret the above? ...
Thanks,
Darren
@ Jason:
This is actually not really related here but then it is. I am so taken with the scope that you have in the background that I would love to know who makes it and the specific model number. I am in the market for a new one and want a good one to boot. Thanks
sugra
The signal source is earth's core. The SM coil and my contraption are simply Farady pickup coils.
Loop antennas provide multiple gains at higher than designed resonance at almost random points of the spectrum. I am convinced his coils were flat tubing, waveguides or coaxial and Mobius.
Darren, I've not jet reconnected the original ECD so be patience hope to do it today. I wonder if you could in some way to take in account the Mobius turn..at the end it is similar to a 1 turn coil so I could find a way to give you the L R and Q if not too outside my LCR meter range.
Roberto
It could be read as:
"The first frequency, then second harmonic component into the second, then the third frequency"
...he could have been cryptically refering to using octaves.
e.g. 220, 440, 880
440 IS the second harmonic but 880 is 3rd Octave (or 4th harmonic).
1) Frequencies will always be subject to the particular device.Surely unless you have at least several different sizes of working TPU/ECD then you cannot know this for sure.
2) You will not find one set of frequencies that will work for all devices.See point 1.
3) There will eventually be a tighter range to work with, as Ronotte is trying to explain, but you will always have to fine tune each one individually.I agree with this if you mean tune the physical device to match the frequency/harmonics/beat frequency.
4) Nature has its own way of dealing with harmonics that is generally not in a uniform, cut and dry manner, such as mathematical or musical designs. Random events can produce the best homogeneous results.As I understand it, harmonics are mathematically based on the frequency(ies).
@all
1) Frequencies will always be subject to the particular device.
2) You will not find one set of frequencies that will work for all devices.
3) There will eventually be a tighter range to work with, as Ronotte is trying to explain, but you will always have to fine tune each one individually.
4) Nature has its own way of dealing with harmonics that is generally not in a uniform, cut and dry manner, such as mathematical or musical designs. Random events can produce the best homogeneous results.
For me, the most important thing right now to find out is, if you are destined to make this device eventually self-operating, then you have to consider the device to be operated in two stages.
First stage start up with only mV input, pulsed into the primary CC and captured by the secondary CC into a capacitor plus capture the BEMF into another capacitor until you have enough power to run the power hungry frequencies (or you have to reduce the power consumption of the frequencies).
If these pulses (without a frequency) can produce enough start-up current, then you know your CC configuration is on the right track and you can then look to stage two.
But if you only look and work on stage two (massive current with frequencies) and the device cannot start-up with only mV's. Then this device will never be self-operating and you will have to re-work the start-up.
So my question would be, can the CCs alone, if pulsed with mVs or 1 volt, produce at least 6 volts into a capacitor. If you can just achieve this one criteria, then things look good and you can start with 1 frequency. If not, then the CC's or the general design has to be modified first to accomplish this. Afterwards you can work to get the right frequencies. Macedonian started a thread on something that could be a good place to start stage one. He's using a bifilar using only a few watts.
So some of you, like me, who are not on the top of the electronics ladder can start doing some easy pulsing tests into the ECD (no frequencies required) to see how this can produce a successful stage one. Maybe start a new ECD thread for stage one only to not crowd these guys. If this is impossible, then the overal design is flawed. While this is being done by some of you, others can continue working to better understand the frequencies, especially, where the hell these frequencies should actually be injected without wasting so much juice.
If any of you can supply any easy (nyophite proof) pulsing circuit that can work on 1 volt or less, 1/2 for the circuit, 1/2 to pulse into the CC primary at around 250,000 cycles per second, I think this will do. If the pulse could be variable, this would be better.
Last point, but you are not going to like it. Stop talking about SM. He is a total distraction to this endeavor. Stop talking about him and start using your own brains. There is over 9000 posts on SM so what more is there to say? Take back your power. THIS IS NOT A TPU, THIS IS AN ECD. The only power that SM's TPU is drawing in, is your will power. Every few posts and someone starts saying SM said this, SM said that, Enough already. I feel like we're being wacthed by the SM police. Who's spending all these hours, days and months? The guy's a loser for having shafted the world and you guys venerate his every word. I can say alot about this but will not say more here. Stefan, I know. Stay tuned to a new thread near you.
Hey guys,
Just a heads up... An OU claim is coming tonight. It is a "type" of TPU is all I can say. They will tell you all about it and post pictures. Just please do not overwhelm or bombard this person. But stay tuned, it could be a very exciting night!
Happy, Happy Days! ;D
Bruce
Due to time zones 'tonight' can be hard to determine. How many hours from now approx. will that be ?
Due to time zones 'tonight' can be hard to determine. How many hours from now approx. will that be ?
@ Bob R.
...
I enjoy your experiments very much! Theory only gives direction until proven true/false and that is what experiments are all about.
I am glad that you did what BEP suggested with the diodes on the bifilar. I was wondering what would happen...
....
Bruce :)
Hey guys,
Just a heads up... An OU claim is coming tonight. It is a "type" of TPU is all I can say. They will tell you all about it and post pictures. Just please do not overwhelm or bombard this person. But stay tuned, it could be a very exciting night!
Happy, Happy Days! ;D
Bruce
Due to time zones 'tonight' can be hard to determine. How many hours from now approx. will that be ?
Bob, how can this test ALSO be conducted on the ECD?? This so fits into TAO's statement that SM so approved of. I am just so excited because piece by little piece we are going to make this happen. His TPU is (easy, think diode, signal pulses) but it's complexity, very deep.
Happy, Happy Days!
Bruce :)
@ Darren
He is a youth. And there is never a reason to be unkind. (Well, hardly ever! Kokomojo was perhaps an exception! LOL)
Hello All
While I have heard of Steven Marks of course, and the replications you all have been attempting for a while now, I had not been following the threads on this site. It wasn't until a recent post on a thread on the oupower.com forum that someone brought the parent thread of this topic to my attention. I am glad they did this, as I had not been to this site in a long time.
[snip]
Carry on guys, you're doing great!
Bob Boyce
Great to have you here, Bob Boyce.
Your projects with hydrogen generation are legendary! That broken diode on the alternator that started it all off - are you able to give us the idea behind why the broken diode was causing the extra power anomaly you observed ?
As far as I could see the pulses from two of the 3 phase coils would each be fed back as DC pulse spikes into the coil with the broken diode.
With regards to phase could you expand on what aspect of the phase is important ?
Are we trying to get pulses exactly lined up ?
Sequentially staggered by a very small amount in time ?
My current thoughts are that the accurate physical placement of the coils in a circle is critical and that the phase timing is to do with how long it takes the magnetic field ( or is it electric field ?) from one coil to travel to the other coils. The idea being that the other coils are pulsed at exactly the right time to coincide with a certain point of the magnetic/electric waveform that is going past the coil. Question is what point in the waveform !!?
Thanks, Bob Rennips
@Darren,
thanks for your simulation Darren, it seems that the peak frequency summation is really equal to reality. What I don't see is:
- by product of freqs heterodying ... could you try to just offset the freq values I gave You (like in actual operation...is difficult to centre the exact value) and see the effects?
- signal difference by Phase and Zero point against the ground: on Zero point you should see mostly spike waveform on the first quadrant and the signal are of two kinds: RE spikes and single big spikes between 2 subsequent RE spikes. On Phase point the waveforms are mainly on 4th quadrant and are composed by a sine wave part (initial part) and a spike part to -600 - 800V, the beginning (the first -40V) is generally a partial sine wave ...just have a look at my paper.
Please if you need any clarification don't hesitate to contact me.
Hope you will find the time to do that kind of search!
Roberto
Darren,
yes to all Roberto said,
Thanks for your valuable input. I dont think any of us expected the simulation to take into account the interactions of the high speed field and its effect/interaction with its local environment.
However simulations are fantastic for good circuit design. and a valuable tool in context.Thanks again.
Lindsay Mannix
@Darren,
thanks for your simulation Darren, it seems that the peak frequency summation is really equal to reality. What I don't see is:
- by product of freqs heterodying ... could you try to just offset the freq values I gave You (like in actual operation...is difficult to centre the exact value) and see the effects?
[snip]
Roberto
Hi all. Great stuff you have here. Congrats. I too believe SM has it, as Tesla and Henry Moray before him. I have watched the videos, read the correspondences, and most of this posting here. I would like to make a few comments regarding SMs' words from the PDF on PESwiki and one video......He does mention earth resonant frequencies. (7.83Hz) He also speaks ALOT about Tesla, and his wacky TV story. I have been getting into "natural radio" (ELF) quite a bit lately. If I understand Schumann resonances and frequency harmonics at all, our "earth-resonant antenna" becomes 31.42' long @ 7.83MHz, or 314' @ 783KHz. I could be wrong. I have read that our 60Hz power system resonates with the Schumann cavity. I believe one of the coils acts as an antenna. Calculating toriod antennas may be different, but I know they are used for satellite. When he said to "never tune to exact frequencies of conversion" I suspected he meant this one. For it also appeared to me that the discord in the other frequencis is where the useable power comes from. The fact that the unit produces RF burns was another clue to me. The gyroscopic effect another. He also mentioned Tesla and "tuned magnetometers" His commentary could also be a bunch of B.S. too. Very good to see Bob Boyce here.
Now I have some questions:
1: Has anybody seen the UEC patents? I think the MPT are rubbish
2: Are you all in concensus that there is a battery in play here?
Its an honor to be here with such an astute group of folks, doing some of the greatest energy research for REAL public good in probably a century. Three words for the experimenters: SAFTEY, SAFTEY, SAFTEY! Don't cook yerself off with these great toys.
@Earl,
In ECD THERE's a MIXER and it's highly non-linear (logical kind mixer): all Mosfet's Drain pins are connected together.... there all the frequencies are indeed mixed and putting a scope probe there (ZERO point) you will see every kind of said by-products they make almost impossible to synch the scope trigger! There you can also appreciate some of the main mixing envelopes as if you select the right scope 'time line' it is possible to appreciate the main produced sum & differences frequencies just looking at the waveforms's envelope.
Roberto
Otto and brnbrade (as well as myself and others here) followed the erfinder posts and drew inspiration from them. Otto based some ideas off of the VTA, or DTO, diagram, and brnbrade off of the mcfarland cook patent. Have you noticed how similar they are?
I have to say, if Otto's device is related, then so is brnbrades.
Otto has made claims that his device loses weight, has inertia, etc. already, on ctglabs. when dave asked him more about it he didn't answer. Nobody else has seen this yet. And we've seen lots of behavior of otto's coil that are most definitely not present in SM's device. SM has no problem touching his coils, it's quite dangerous in otto's. Although there is RF in SM's judging by the fire output, there doesn't seem to be massive fields in the room. Much more testing needs to be done. Otto only has bits and pieces of the whole picture. Others will have other parts.
Otto has already said his device is not overunity. From all accounts, that is correct. It's not. No thunder is being stolen, but we have to look at other angles in order to find the missing pieces that will make it overunity.
Have that thread moved back. It's a valid line of research and is clearly NOT disrespectful to SM. And is NOT distracting from Ottos work. They are very closely related, if you look closer..
Regards,
Rich
@ Stefan
I suggest upon successful replication of the brnbrade coil, it be moved BACK to this forum. I concur completely with Rich in this matter.
Thank you,
Bruce :)
While it is VERY true that HAARP modifies the natural resonance, as with EEG attenuation/entrainment, when they shut it off, she (earth) returns to around 7.8Hz +/-, (as do our brains)....lol. There are many ELF, and other study groups that periodically measure and record this data. There are some that exclusively keep an eye on HAARP also. Recent data is available.
SM says "like a simple radio receiver", "variable tuning device", "the multiple frequencies are of too high a frequency to provide any motive effort", re-read the part about magnetometers....very telling. Why would the frequencies be "directly related to coil circumference"? Sadly. I was in a design process of an idea of my own based on Tesla and Henry Morays' work when I accidentally found SMs' work and you all less than a month ago. After reading all this, I kinda thought you almost the hard part figured out. So can you get even a LITTLE electricity out of a EM wave?...of course. How does a radio work. A CRYSTAL RADIO EVEN? But what component of the wave? How does a wideband ELF antenna work? dunno. You all are WAAAY more knowledgeable than I about electronics....very smart people. I think you need a hardcore ham radio guy in here. Unless he was another Stan Meyers, trying to throw youns off the path of his patents (which never surfaced, UEC or otherwise), I think he was trying to give you a COMPLETE pile of puzzle peices, as Tesla did.
I hate to cross post but I feel a patent I posted in http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,2624.msg38233.html#msg38233
should be looked by all those interested in the theory of TPU operation.
@ gk
i got me one of those flashlights too the cheep one had 2 watch batterys and a cap. the large light had no batery as such but a battery like cap, will get # later for you.
now have a drawing
wer
ps found me some 4 ga audio wire 700 strands per cable was not cheep
@z_p_e
Yes you are very right. I should read up another 1000 hours. Fine. Then explain to me what the object is of having that secondary outside the primary. What are you trying to achieve is the question. Next question is, is it acheiving its purpose. If yes, why. and if no, why?
A basic step-up transformer is not banking on its core acting like a ring. Very different. The ECD and ALT1 are very different if you look at it from the rings' perspective.
My basic idea is that the outer portion of the secondary is being kept outside by the internal primary field, hence the outer secondary has no effect on the ring, because the ring is being cloaked by the primary being to close to the ring. What you are talking about is the current effect, what I am talking about is the field effect. Simple as that.
All I wanted to do is put forth an idea. Wrapping another primary over the CC as in the ECD+ is very easy to do and try so I will do it myself.
No sweat.
But both windings are tied together at the cw input side so this will not make a step up.
Otto, a while ago, on dave's forums you siad that you could confirm that there were inertial effects, that it lost weight, and that there was a rotating field.
Can you please explain this a bit further, and what we must do in order to see these effects?
Regards,
Rich
Hi guys,
If you look at the ECD doc the primary is wrapped around the secondary. But both windings are tied together at the cw input side so this will not make a step up.
Otto, a while ago, on dave's forums you siad that you could confirm that there were inertial effects, that it lost weight, and that there was a rotating field.
Can you please explain this a bit further, and what we must do in order to see these effects?
Regards,
Rich
Rich, i have asked him the same question more then once, you know.
He just ignores it.
M.
There's one very, very, very, very important factor that seems to not have been taken into account in any of the measurements: power factor conversion. This factor is most prevalent when you're dealing with large inductive or capacitive loads, such as the coils you're using.
Ohm's law works fine when you're working with pure DC, but when you have AC, square waves, or whatnot, things get kind of funky. Current and voltage go out of phase; in other words, the average current might be 2A, and the average voltage might be 5V, but at the instant the current is 2A, there might be 0V, and at the instant there's 5V there's only 0A. In this case, the apparent power (which is what you calculate and measure using the resistor voltage drop / standard DC measurement techniques) would probably be around 10W, while the real power provided is much less. You pretty much have to add up V*I at every instant of time to get a good real average power reading. I suspect this may be what's happening in some of the videos documenting this "TPU". The best way I know of to measure real power from the AC mains is a device called the kill-a-watt; it'll measure the PFC and real watts for you. I'm not sure how you'd do it for lower voltage AC; you might have to design your own circuit to do it, or somehow interpose a current and voltage graph on an oscilloscope, ensuring they're perfectly in phase, and then calculating the power coming out at every instant (unfortunately not very easy or fun).
There's a entry on power factor conversion in wikipedia, and probably much more across the web. This is a very big area of concern for power supplies, UPSes, and electric companies; usually low PFC devices (those where apparent power > real power) are pretty nasty and pollute the power grid.
Also keep in mind that power <> energy. For example, you can charge a capacitor in 5s using 100W, and get out 500W in 1s without breaking conservation of energy.
good luck with all your endeavors!
Quote from: giantkiller link=topic=2535.msg38896#msg38896Hi guys,
If you look at the ECD doc the primary is wrapped around the secondary. But both windings are tied together at the cw input side so this will not make a step up.
GK,
I'm not sure which document you are referring to, but if it is Roberto's pdf, I can't agree with your statement that the primary is wrapped around the secondary.
The CC is bifilar for as long as the primary winding lasts. After that, the secondary continues wrapping over top of the primary/secondary bifilar. So if anything, your statement should be reversed.
In regards to the CC being a step-up transformer or not, it quite clearly is. Secondary windings and inductance is higher than that of the primary's.
Attached here is Figure 4 from an ignition coil patent #4,516,559. If you look at either the "otto_roberto_simplified01.pdf" or "otto_roberto_simplified02.pdf" files that I posted some time ago, you will see they are almost exactly like the patent figure below. I found this patent diagram only now for illustration purposes of this post.
If you agree that an ignition coil is a step-up transformer (which it is), then you must also agree that the CC is a step-up transformer as well.
Darren
I have created a document with my results so far recreating the TPU. You can see it here: http://www.freeenergygroup.com/FEG-Results.pdf
Hello all,
@Rich
[snip]
I measured the weight of my TPU. Then I got an idea:
To measure the weight of my TPU while pulsing it. And so I did it.
At a very low frequency of about 1 - 5 Hz I pulsed my TPU. In the same time I could clearly see that this TPU changes its weight.
So, its clear that the TPU pulsed in the needed frequency ranges should produce energy and in the same time its weight should and will decrease.
Otto
Hello all,
@Rich
sorry, Im weekends at my workbench and dont even look at the forum.
About the weight of a TPU:
A looong time ago I made a TPU, as we all did. 4 segments and the Tesla patent 390721 for a rotational magnetic field.
The weight of a 6" should be ...gramms (sorry, dont remember).
I measured the weight of my TPU. Then I got an idea:
To measure the weight of my TPU while pulsing it. And so I did it.
At a very low frequency of about 1 - 5 Hz I pulsed my TPU. In the same time I could clearly see that this TPU changes its weight.
So, its clear that the TPU pulsed in the needed frequency ranges should produce energy and in the same time its weight should and will decrease.
Otto
Tonight i will stare out of the window for a couple of minutes to see if there are any Tesla transformers flying by.
Marco.
A disc 30 1/2 " in diameter, circular in shape, it is dished like a saucer and actually there is a saucer whithin a saucer in the manner of cymbals. On one surface there is attached a plastic dome described as about 14" in diameter and affixed by 8 bolts in a rather rough manner. The bolts can best be described as similar to stove bolts. On the other surface is another dome of metal which is gold in color on one side and on the inside is silver in color, which looks like tin. Through the plastic dome can be observed three tubes similar to radio tubes and there is some wiring. The disc generally is 10" thick and at the point where the domes are located about 14" in thickness. There is an object on it similar to electric coil which has some type of an arm on it and bears the words "Inspected TS". Some of the wiring has been burned off and it looks as though something might be missing.
Where are you going with this, Tao?
SM thought your were on the edge of discovery - wasted emotion. Now the prodigal son has returned with gifts for all. Makes bile rise into my throat.
Are you going to tell us that the Holy Grail sits within a rotating magnet field? Tell us about bias perhaps, or phase shifts, or maybe about tensors and potentials, gradients, divergences, curls? Or maybe how the RMF is able to magnify itself, after all, the magnetic field is elastic, unlike the tempic field which is pretty damn solid. Do you think no one sees? That no one has the intuitive skills? That we lack the understanding? Do you wish to show us the light? Perhaps we already know. Very strong magnetic field can "catch" a UFO - stop it on a dime, but better be a damn strong field or they will park that ship up your arse. You can rotate it and project it. You can rotate the potential that creates it - much stronger by the way - really make something happen with that one.
So, spare us the endless string of "pearls of knowledge" and build the damn thing.
I'll put it in simple terms - "shit or get off the pot". Theories are like assholes - everybody has one, so put it to use or put a cork in it. I'm freakin' sick of theories, ideas, concepts - they are not tangible - they are not real - they bequeath nothing but hot air and a reaking stinch of fear.
Build it - just freakin' build it!!!
I think that's the right idea tao, you're heading in the right direction looking at the UFO patents. I was just about to start researching patents from the 1940 related to rings and UFOs :)
I wonder why the blazerlabs guys didn't show a lifting disk from a coil or magnet? They talk about it, they do the calculations, but don't show it. Why I wonder? I'll tell you why I think that is, I did the same calculations he did, but from another perspective, and the 'B' field is so small, extreamly small. Notice they didn't plug in any values into their equations. By theway, this relationship between spinning charges and magnetic fields was also researched by some of the early guys like Faraday, I found the experiment in a book at Barnes and Noble, a while ago. I should of bought the book but I have too many already :)
Anyway, what's apparent and logical is that a rotating magnetic field will do wonderful things. I read all those FOIA documents in 2000 but I was reading them with another frame of mind. Now that I've been involved with the TPU, it all seems to click. It makes sense why SM was visited by the FBI folks. They don't want people flying around, THEY COULD GET HURT !!! Ha Ha Ha :)
EM
Not to mention, without theories or any THOUGHT, how could you EVER hope to build anything?!?
Well, i hope to see we will all be flying around in suspicious devices soon... :)
This brings me to the point where i am thinking about a normal galvanic insulated tranformer.
As we put an AC on the primary winding of the transformer, it induces a current in the secondary winding, but the major thing is, the electrons flowing in the secondary circuit has got nothing to do with the electrons running in the primary circuit.
They cannot reach each other since the circuits are isolated from each other.
So the thing is, the electrons running in the secondary circuit are not comming from the wall!!
They can't because they cannot reach the wall socked since they are not connected to it.
That gives me a new view on things and i need to think about it some more...
Pherhaps the electrons in the secondary circuit are the ones sitting in the wires already, i mean they have to come from somewhere don't they?
Then it would be a matter of only pumping them around.
...
Marco.
Well, i hope to see we will all be flying around in suspicious devices soon... :)
This brings me to the point where i am thinking about a normal galvanic insulated tranformer.
As we put an AC on the primary winding of the transformer, it induces a current in the secondary winding, but the major thing is, the electrons flowing in the secondary circuit has got nothing to do with the electrons running in the primary circuit.
They cannot reach each other since the circuits are isolated from each other.
So the thing is, the electrons running in the secondary circuit are not comming from the wall!!
They can't because they cannot reach the wall socked since they are not connected to it.
That gives me a new view on things and i need to think about it some more...
Pherhaps the electrons in the secondary circuit are the ones sitting in the wires already, i mean they have to come from somewhere don't they?
Then it would be a matter of only pumping them around.
...
Marco.
Exactly, and that is why THIS WORKS: http://rexresearch.com/markov/markov.htm
A transformer where there are TWO primaries that DIRECTLY oppose each other and CANCEL/NULL the magnetic flux, YET, on the ONE secondary, there is OUTPUT POWER...
Windings ratios mean NOTHING for Markov's transformer...
Well, i hope to see we will all be flying around in suspicious devices soon... :)
This brings me to the point where i am thinking about a normal galvanic insulated tranformer.
As we put an AC on the primary winding of the transformer, it induces a current in the secondary winding, but the major thing is, the electrons flowing in the secondary circuit has got nothing to do with the electrons running in the primary circuit.
They cannot reach each other since the circuits are isolated from each other.
So the thing is, the electrons running in the secondary circuit are not comming from the wall!!
They can't because they cannot reach the wall socked since they are not connected to it.
That gives me a new view on things and i need to think about it some more...
Pherhaps the electrons in the secondary circuit are the ones sitting in the wires already, i mean they have to come from somewhere don't they?
Then it would be a matter of only pumping them around.
...
Marco.
Exactly, and that is why THIS WORKS: http://rexresearch.com/markov/markov.htm
A transformer where there are TWO primaries that DIRECTLY oppose each other and CANCEL/NULL the magnetic flux, YET, on the ONE secondary, there is OUTPUT POWER...
Windings ratios mean NOTHING for Markov's transformer...
Thank you Tao, quite intresting.
This actually deals with cancelling the flux Litterally :)
if this does work maybe we can tweak it so it put's out alot of free energy :D
Marco.
Exactly, and that is why THIS WORKS: http://rexresearch.com/markov/markov.htm
A transformer where there are TWO primaries that DIRECTLY oppose each other and CANCEL/NULL the magnetic flux, YET, on the ONE secondary, there is OUTPUT POWER...
Windings ratios mean NOTHING for Markov's transformer...
Exactly, and that is why THIS WORKS: http://rexresearch.com/markov/markov.htm
A transformer where there are TWO primaries that DIRECTLY oppose each other and CANCEL/NULL the magnetic flux, YET, on the ONE secondary, there is OUTPUT POWER...
Windings ratios mean NOTHING for Markov's transformer...
This is new? Really, I am surprized.
In winding transformers it is common to wind from one end to the other and return the opposite direction and continue. This allows lower grade cores because the cancelling flux allows the core to remain closer to the ideal state of 'idle' - like an unloaded transformer. In old fashioned switchboard class metering separate phases were wound on the same core to improve precision. All three phases came out on the secondaries. And yes, going by the above experience - I already believed you can have separate magnetic circuits traveling through the same 'conductor' just like electric current flow.
There must be a difference but I don't see it in the text.
@Otto and Grumpy
On the two watch thingy... may I suggest checking those dials while the thing is running. The one in the middle tends to 'race back in sync' when the power is removed ;)
On the NSA type stuff... There is supposed to be a 30 year limit on classified information. It is not always true. It depends on what the information is. Those folks are very good at keeping doors closed ;D
Wouldn't it be interesting if members of this forum - and others- were the actual reason for the flying saucer stories?
Hmmm.... Maybe that part of history didn't exist until we started mucking around now.
Most of the descriptions sound like TPUs being built by hobbyists in their garage. A circular saw blade?
On second thought maybe I better try one.
EVERYBODY DUCK!
In other words, I suggest:
Mark the 3 thirds of the TOTAL COLLECTOR LENGTH BEFORE you fold the M?bius loop. And then place the 3 CCs on those points.
So 2 CCs would be on the big circle and 1 CC on the small circle.
What I would like to do is set the pulse on-time equal to one-quarter of the primary coil resonant frequency, using a diode at the ground side of the coil. Then flip a second diode around at that same node and connect it to the ground point of the next coil; using six diodes all around the total path. In this way I hope to use the relaxing coil to help the circuit drive the next coil in line.
.....three feet total length for each of the dual leads. Placing my CC's as above would mean one foot spacings along the total three foot length....
...I connect the 6" outer-loop and 4" inner-loop with about 2.3" lengths of wire per side ...
...If you missed this lenght than you missed the 6" TPU!!!! End result - NOTHING!!!
I and others have repeatedly called for Otto and Roberto to carry out some proper tests to establish the true power consumption of the device when powering the lamp load. They know the importance of doing this if nothing else but to confirm to themeselves that it is more than induction lighting their lamp. Their documentation is very good but unfortunately lacks this vital information.
Clive
I and others have repeatedly called for Otto and Roberto to carry out some proper tests to establish the true power consumption of the device when powering the lamp load. They know the importance of doing this if nothing else but to confirm to themeselves that it is more than induction lighting their lamp. Their documentation is very good but unfortunately lacks this vital information.Which of course is one of the most typical signs of energy scammers.
Clive
Have a look at #9 of this link. http://amasci.com/freenrg/fnrg.html
Quote:
The inventor doesn't publish successful scientific research papers (i.e. he doesn't publish detailed replication instructions,)
or if he does, other researchers can't get them to work. Something vital wasn't included.
@Earl, GkSometimes, ya just have to get the flyswatter out.
Ditto
Roberto
Hello all,
@Earl, GK, Roberto
let the PC heroes wright what they want.
WE KNOW WHATS OUR JOB.
This PC heroes are soooo......
Otto
Hello tao,
Im refering to people that are only wrighting and wrighting but wrighting crap.
In this forum there are 3 groups of people:
1. the theorists
you tao gave us as the first the points how a TPU works, and a lot of good theorists that helps us. This was very helpful because in the beginning we didnt know what and how....
2. the workers
GK, Roberto....and a lot of people building and trying to use your ideas and of course thinking a lot of the theories too
3.PC heroes
this people are f...g the forum and all us. They are "working" on the theories but never builded even 1 coil. But the point is that they think to have the right to critisise everyone here. They know "everything", pisses on all the work done .....
Otto
Hello all,
What do you understand under the therm of "Lamp wire"????
Is this a 2 stranded kable or can this be something else???
The more answers the better.
Otto
Hello tao,
Im refering to people that are only wrighting and wrighting but wrighting crap.
In this forum there are 3 groups of people:
1. the theorists
you tao gave us as the first the points how a TPU works, and a lot of good theorists that helps us. This was very helpful because in the beginning we didnt know what and how....
2. the workers
GK, Roberto....and a lot of people building and trying to use your ideas and of course thinking a lot of the theories too
3.PC heroes
this people are f...g the forum and all us. They are "working" on the theories but never builded even 1 coil. But the point is that they think to have the right to critisise everyone here. They know "everything", pisses on all the work done .....
Otto
I see, and I agree...
I have seen some of these PC heroes myself lol. They come in here with a real EGO too, when the sole function of ALL of OUR combined work is to merely get a TPU working and then given away to all. There should be no EGO involved...
On another note:
@The advanced builder dudes,
Maybe we should all feel tremendously flattered that we make it look so easy to the un-initiated and that greater things are expected from us. :D
I have to depart for the beach now. I am expected to walk on water.
-giantkiller.
Short of naming anyone, perhaps someone could explain what a "pc hero" is.
I'm wondering if I fall into this category myself.
I gather that according to some folks, if one doesn't build your circuit or coil, or if one asks reasonable questions about it, or doesn't necessarily or whole-heartedly endorse your project, or points out the odd error, they are by default labeled "pc heros".
I have certainly done that, and I know many others have also, though not necessarily publicly.
From time to time, guys like "Ergo" are going to chime in and cast their doubt. I wish all would relax a little and refrain from giving this type of thing so much attention, because it's going to happen again...get it? Let it go.
This thread is starting to look like a cheap soap.
and Rich, you would be the king of pc heroes, i have never seen you build a single coil or posting a image as my memory serves me right ;D
did you get the generators and finish your ECD type TPU ?
i am intrested in your results.
The people who are waiting for the right tpu diagram are heading towards a verry hard time if/when it becomes available that would mean they start to build their first coil and then they will face all the things the others faced much earlier becuse they did various coils and develloped certain winding techniques.
i don't think one can wind the perfect coil when it is his first one, you really need to get the experience and you will get better as you build more coils.
Marco.
I remember the Hans Coler Report and my invention of the Mobius Diode Coil, which did the similar operation except it was totally DC in nature. Is it possible to build a Mobius Diode Coil using the flat Mobius Coil they have done here and get a DC output through the coils?
I remember the Hans Coler Report and my invention of the Mobius Diode Coil, which did the similar operation except it was totally DC in nature. Is it possible to build a Mobius Diode Coil using the flat Mobius Coil they have done here and get a DC output through the coils?
Thousands of years ago a Chinaman invented this circuit and he was prosecuted by the local townspeople and government for sorcery.
Anyway, I will once again build the Mobius Diode Coil circuit but with the flat Mobius Coil design you have posted on this site and the control and output coils. We will see what happens.
@Darren,
the pin numbers on my diagram are correct. You can check-it on IR 7307 Application attached. Of course remember that you can drive the 7307 with +12V without any problems (on past I used only the +6V for safety purposes...but it doesn't need).
Best luck for your work!
@GK,
thanks for assembling my speech! ...are you ready for firing your Mobius?
@Darren,
the pin numbers on my diagram are correct. You can check-it on IR 7307 Application attached. Of course remember that you can drive the 7307 with +12V without any problems (on past I used only the +6V for safety purposes...but it doesn't need).
Best luck for your work!
@GK,
thanks for assembling my speech! ...are you ready for firing your Mobius?
Thank you nong for that very good writeup :)Review: http://datasheets.maxim-ic.com/en/ds/MAX4420-MXT429.pdf
Ok, Roberto, I've done a little more studying of that circuit connection.
It is not an error per se, but it is somewhat unconventional to configure the driver that way. What IR has done is configured the MOSFETs in a Source-Follower topology.
This is good for a low impedance drive, but has other disadvantages. There is a minimum 3.5V loss in the drive voltage due to the Vgs threshold, which explains why there were problems driving the Power MOSFET fully ON and OFF with only a 6V supply. Also, there is a rather large "gap" in the switching, which amounts to a "break-before-make" switch sequence.
At any rate, it will work if sufficient voltage drive is implemented, but it still is unconventional in the sense that Driver chips using complementary MOSFETs on the output, do not do this. They use an inverter topology. I would encourage you to try a "purpose-designed" MOSFET driver to see if there are any differences/improvements.
I'm using the MAX4420 as a driver chip. There are many good ones to choose from. No sense in redesigning the wheel ;)
Regards,
Darren
Hello all,
what to say??
In short:
I made a magnetic amplifier, pulsed it and now again, I have nothing anymore. Everything burned. A lot of smoke and power supply and oscillators are damaged. Totally. Scope, OK, because it was NOT connected.
As Im on vacation from next Monday so please, dont sent me PMs and mails because I cant answer.
For at least I month Im out of "Game".
I wish and I KNOW that the people here can built a good TPU in this month.
Good luck to you all, be very carefull.
Otto
... got more than +280VDC that I routed to only one side of a spare coil parallel winded on one of my 2 CCs.
....Similar results was obtained just hooking up the P.S output +12V to the same coil...
...
I don't understand the reason for the small toroid on the center that you mentioned. May you be clearer?
...while the Bias is correctly applyied the ECD tunig appear to be much sharper and output power increased! Do you have an explanation?
Is or has anyone release any drawings of the successful prototype?
I have access to a lab full of equipment, a machine shop, and Labview
If I could assist you folks to get some things some things verified let me know.
Best Regards
Tim C.
SM told us that there are a lot of ways to built a good TPU. So, in a very short time, I suppose, there will be TPUs like the open one with the controlls wound all over the collector and a few other types. I only wanted to give the basic setup that I have. Its on you to find other possibilities to built a good TPU. Otto
With that in mind I wonder if there would be any merit in considering how a TPU may be wound in a Tensor or Caduceus Coil manner.
"This coil has repeatedly been found to violate established laws of electrodynamics and hertzian wave theory when high frequency is injected into it."
"This apparatus has zero impedance - unlike an ordinary coil."
"It has infinite resonance - unlike an ordinary coil which will resonate chiefly at its natural fundamental frequency and weakly on the 2nd or 3rd harmonic, the Tensor coil is capable of resonating strongly on any number of frequencies randomly spaced in the spectrum."
"A few investigators have also reported unexpected bizarre inertial effects (READ: "gyroscopic effects"?) in conjunction with these coils."
Perhaps if one modeled a TPU after the omni-resonant antenna-like features of human DNA (caduceus style), one "may" inherently solve the problem of TPU super nova ("spontanious combustion")... ?
- http://uncletaz.com/library/scimath/cadcoil.html
- http://www.keelynet.com/time/cadsmith.htm
- http://jlnlabs.imars.com/spgen/
ECD-Mobius IS DANGEROUS ?..
Assuming that the Mobious coil is a scalar wave antenna :
http://www.mathematik.tu-darmstadt.de/~bruhn/Commentary-Oschman.htm
This document ?Capt. Robert M. Collins (TQTR), "Soviet Research On The A-Vector Potential and Scalar Waves (U)," Unknown? from: http://www.unusualresearch.com/scalarbib/scalarbib.htm
give possible conseguence of the use of dual mobious coil, see the page 5 para ?Ad hoc Theories on Scalar Waves? Summing two scalar waves??.the ultimate ecological catastophe?
Ciao Marzio
Hello all,
Im on vacation and fixing my equipment.
My HAMEG HM oscilloskop is fixed. Finally.
Now I have a new problem:
Maybe someone of you have a shematic of a TECTRONIX 2445B scope??? I have to fix this scope too.
Thanks.
Otto
Proposal for a wiring schematic of CCs.
Signals/pulses would travel 720? (i.e. twice round the circle).
Collector is not shown.
Coil assembly A consists of 2 insulated coils on the same core. These coils A1 and A2 are wound in opposite direction.
Coil assemblies B and C are made up in the same way as A.
1) What happens:
Pulse Pn has just left A1. At that moment A2 could be called the secondary.
The collapsing field (BEMF of Pn) leads to induction in A2.
If A2 was wound in the same direction as A1 the induced potential would be opposed to Pn.
Since A2 is wound in the opposite direction, the resulting Voltage V in the secondary will have the same potential as pulse Pn and such add to the potential of all pulses Px.
Yes? No?
2) How can the augmented potential which in the drawing is routed to GND, be partially recycled?
3) An additional thought:
If the black coils A1, B1, and C1 (OR the orange coils) were wound from iron wire and thus became magnetic while they act as secondaries,
could this effect be called a dynamic magnetic bias?
And would that be helpful?
edit: attempt to clarify my understanding of this circuit:
- A1 and A2 act as a transformer. B and C work in the same way - but these transformers are not isolation transformers. Note:
primary and secondary of each transformer are connected in series, as the circular connection goes round twice.
So energy in the primary and secondary of each transformer
are kept in one circuit and are phase shifted in respect to each other. So they should add up.
Soliton waves (originally identified by J. Scott Russell in 1884) are non-dissipative waves that occur at the boundary between differing tendencies of waves. Thus, in water, the mathematics used to describe low amplitude waves are relatively simple -- linear in fact. Low amplitude waves have a tendency to dissipate, as when we drop a pebble in a pond and observe the waves spreading out. Also, the various frequencies that might comprise a low amplitude wave will gradually separate as a result of the different speeds at which they travel. High amplitude waves, on the other hand, behave non-linearly. They have a tendency to compress and cause criticality, white water, turbulence. However, just like low amplitude waves, the result is a rapid dissipation of energy and structure.
Right at the boundary between these two tendencies we find soliton waves. Examples of soliton waves include tsunami and certain types of vortices; Jupiter's Red Spot may well be a soliton wave. What makes these waves so interesting is their robustness. A tsunami may travel the length of the Pacific Ocean with relatively little dissipation. Soliton waves are practically frictionless. It seems that at the boundary the non-dissipative (or compressive) tendency of high amplitude waves exactly cancels out the dissipative tendency of low amplitude waves. Also, solitons can be found in a number of mediums. If physicists exactly balance two properties of light - refraction and diffraction, for example, solitons may be formed.
If you are familiar with bill beaty (excellant site) http://www.eskimo.com/~billb/weird.html he does some quite interesting experiments. Check out this one: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KGGbCuf2-2I
This is a classic, but why I bring it up, is the important reason. No matter how I visualize particle interaction with the ZP or Quantum flux, it looks pretty much like the floating dry ice experiment. Every particle (dry ice) comes from the quantum flux (the vapors). Anything penetrating the vapor will have to "shove it aside" to pass through (inertia). I wonder if "quantum tunneling" isn't in fact the Flux absorbing the particle, then re-emitting another like particle elsewhere.
Understand that there is nothing else truly in the universe than the Quantum Flux....... The particles are some form of lower frequency of the flux itself, in a stabilized format. Everything is energy, and what we like to conceptualize as solid... there is no such critter. Sometimes it can be difficult to express or convey mental imagry with such a flawed and fallable device as language, so I apologize if I have done poorly.
That is why any properly high enough frequency in any medium or energy could therefore be assumed to interact directly with the flux.
What I meant by a resonant trap earlier, is something I envision in my mind. We know that in a truly resonant form, the voltage no longer leads the amperage, but is in fact of the same period. If two waves of sufficient difference of cycle are interposed upon the same path, and at all places along the path of the longest wave where the potential crosses 0v, that the shorter or higher frequency waves also cross 0v at exactly the same point, the two waves should travel simultaneously without interference, they should in fact strengthen each other.
Another byproduct is the time gaps between the peaks of the resonant waves. It is no longer filled with current lag, but is at higher or zero excitation. At the points, my mind shows what I refer to as a "resonant trap", or a dead space where the ZP Flux is forced by the inertia of the moving electrons to flow in the same direction as the path of the current.
This may be just BS, as I am using my mental chalkboard to envision the event, but that is what I am perceiving as what is happening. Your thoughts on this are welcomed.
Paul Andrulis
Bull Or ??
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Sent a email will see if he responds :/
Bull Or ??
THIS UNIT MAKES APPROXIMATELY
120VOLT 4MAMP
http://www.ncbookz.com/
OUR FAMOUS INVENTION
WE ARE GIVING THIS TO THE WORLD FOR PRACTICALLY FREE BELOW
IF YOU WANT TO BUY THIS FREE ENERGY SET OF PLANS, JUST FOLLOW THE GOOGLE CHECK OUT RIGHT HERE. I WOULD LIKE TO SAY THIS, I HAVE DELAYED MY EXPERIMENTING WITH THIS UNIT BECAUSE I KNOW IT WORKS BUT I CAN BUILD THIS IN MY SPARE TIME THE AVERAGE TURN AROUND TIME IS 3-4 WEEKS. TO BUY THE WHOLE UNIT BUILT FROM SCRATCH IT IS $295.00(EMAIL ME FOR DETAILS) BUT THE PLANS ARE HERE IF YOU WANT TO TRY YOURSELF. THANKS AGAIN, I AM JUST PAYING FOR THE SERVER COST AND ALSO EBAY COST. I HOPE EVERYONE GETS OFF GRID SOON SO WE DON'T SUPPORT THE SAVAGES WHO ARE MAKING MILLIONS THE COST FOR PLAN IS $52.00
FREE ENERGY DEVICE $52.00 includes shipping
HERE IS THE CHECKOUT FOR THE ACTUAL BUILD ($295.00)
Sent a email will see if he responds :/
Steve Mark,
it is two decades now that the circus about this invention endures.
Be a man and step forward. Do not fear for your life if you can save millions from poverty and suffering.
Do not fear to breach the contract which bounds you to secrecy. Post the plans simultaneously on at least 10 forums and on youtube. If this device works this or at least the next President will pardon you and you still will be a millionaire.
If they are going to whack you then you will be remembered as a genius like Tesla, Moray and others. But you can at least say: I've tried everything to share this knowledge with humanity.
Steve, be a hero.
Greg
it's quite expensive too ;)
how about removing the sticky so this thread can sink to the bottom?
where it belongs.
Marco.
Hello all,
@Marco
how about to erase all my work here??? I have really no problem with this!!!
You look like a little dissapointed?? Frustrated???
Otto
Hello all,
@Marco
how about to erase all my work here??? I have really no problem with this!!!
You look like a little dissapointed?? Frustrated???
Otto
Hi Otto, i'm not frustrated ,but dissapointed ,yes i guess.
On the first hand it seemed like we were close to finish with this thing, and then well you dissapeard....
i have to say i expected more then that.
it's understandable don't you think?
@13th hour, i am not talking about the scammer on e-bay ,i am talking about what this research already cost me..
it's quite a bit of money already.
so i decided to not spend too much on it until i get intresting results, that is understandable too don't you think?
M.
To otto, marco, innovation, and 13thhour.
You do not know me, but I find you all to be quite intelligent. Understand, almost everyone truly is smart, but most refuse to use their own abilities, which is a self-introduced mental handicap. The ones that do generally cannot bypass self-induced mental bias and personal ego. I define intelligence as thus, one whom is not only smart, but willing and able to bypass egoistic lazyness and examine thoroughly every discernable aspect of a problem, even if it means challenging thought restructuring.
I see this in many here at this forum, including you whom I specifically mentioned.
Everything is generally a matter of perspective. I think this is the problem here. Especially in situations where you have been mentally intimate for long periods of time with a concept, you unknowingly find yourself mentally "trapped" in a logical thought loop, thinking that what was previous guesswork is now definitive "knowledge". It is the most difficult to overcome bias of which I myself have had to deal with. Our ego's are powerfull things indeed, and unfortunately are generally counterproductive.
You are close, "I can feel it in my bones", so to speak.
What you may need is outside perspective on the subject, and possibly to step outside your current train of thought yourselves. Apply what I like to call your "mental sledgehammer". This is a form of agressive mental contemplation useable to determine flawed thinking. The most awesome concept is only as strong as its weakest part (the flaws). So, you emotionally set your theories aside, and start swinging the hammer, starting with the basic ideas, and going from there. Smash the theories apart into pieces, then bash the pieces until they fracture. Those pieces which refuse to fracture are true.
Rebuild the theory with these pieces, as you do not need to "throw out the baby with the bathwater". You will also have a much clearer picture afterwards then you had previously, and will see new avenues to approach your goal.
This technique sounds harsh, but actually is not. To re-build a more perfect sidewalk, you must first remove the old one, learning from its flawed aspects so as to not repeat them inadvertantly..
As long as anyone refuses to critically examine their own beliefs, they cannot subjectively examine anothers in an unbiased manner (having separated from pre-assuming what is or is not already true or false).
For instance, fuzzy and self-contradictory illogic prevails where bias is introduced, and flawed thinking is permitted. There are a great number of highly intelligent people whom would claim the TPU device violates the 2nd law of thermodynamics, and is in fact a "perpetual motion machine", without examining the fact that THE UNIVERSE ITSELF IS BASED UPON PERPETUAL MOTION MACHINES, CALLED ATOMS..... (by definition they qualify as both machines and perpetual motion).
When one does not understand a thing, it is MUCH easier to ridicule than to think, that is the basis for the statement "sarcasm is the refuge of a weak mind". Not weak by nature, but by choice. People will ridicule your efforts, ESPECIALLY those intimately conversant with the concept, as your concept is a directly percieved challenge to their already biased viewpoints, upon which in many cases their entire lifes work might well be based, not to mention peer reviewed funding for future research.
I am willing to help in what manner I am able. However I am familiar the the TPU concept only in passing. Write out the best description of what you believe to be witnessing, and I will apply the hammer. Then we can build a new understanding and apply the hammer again.
The "Hit and miss", try this and then try that approach, will only go so far. I am willing to help since you have all publicly proclaimed your lack of greed in this matter, willing to share this knowledge with all, from what I remember in your collective posts. I will not guarantee that I can find any flaws, but if I do, I will try to clearly explain what flaw and why. I CAN guarantee that I have not been previously biased by in-depth TPU research.
It is merely an offer, which can be accepted or denied at will with absolutely no hard feelings either way. :)
Paul Andrulis
hello all
my memery is not the best but i did read some where that
im not sure if it was charged particles any how it was some kind of partical that was the only thing that defiys the laws i wish i could find the webpage for you all
meaning there is and always has been overunity if 1 thing will defiy the laws there are more things ;)
if by chance i find where i read this i will post the link
ist
well i have taken a likeing to the camara flash circuit i have if not for the tpu it will a good basis to produce some other overunity device why?
cus it works from an aa battery ;) and the power out is a lot so take power out put some back to power in and fire agin each time building up the stored power in a cap because you will not need all of the power produced to fire it agin you will only need 1.5 volts not the 300 it puts out ;) i donot know of the mimiamps that is required to operate but i bet there is plenty of power there to spare so even if you have to use a battery full time with it then you will have all of the output power for extrnal use now if i could make that circuit charge the cap faster and release in a closed loop then sounds like it would keep producing power as it was used
just more craxy thoughts
this thought just came to me if i replaced the alk battery with a nicad and trickle charged it from the cap you would only need to charge the battery the first time after that it would recharge its self from the output cap but it would only use a fraction of the aviabale power to recharge the batt
hummmm
anyone think it wont work?
any one think this is similar to how the tpu works? using the right freqs of course
the thing is this sm said it was not hard at all and that what is just explained it hot hard at all and in my thinking it will be overunity i saw the sparks from that battery there is some massive power there from almost nothing for input this is in my opinion just about the smallest setup if you had a desire for more out put you could always use a stun gunn
last thought 4 right now what will happin if....
you used the power out from that cap to power a mag amp? and then ampflyed the the magnetic waves inside of the amp for even larger usable power i do realize that this hardly fits with sm's words but hummm i just dont know just sounds verry posibile to me any ways
Opening up and being truthful is important, but their are some issues with TPU's as Tesla discovered in his higher kick energy coils that result in rather alarming results.
So when some users are reluctant to publish some findings, this is not always about keeping it close to their chest, often they are torn between scientific sharing and moral counter arguments that such a disclosure could raise.
TPU's don't just gradually increase as you raise the efficiency of the device, their output grows exponentially (not always in electrical form) . So the difficulty is harnessing this in a way, that is not so dangerous to reseracher or the locality in which it is being tested.
Where Scalar (Soliton) waves are concerned, conventional methods of protection do not work, as they will tunnel through most objects.
@otto
I am in the process of reading your TPU pdf file. VERY INTERESTING! Some of the conclusions you investigated and tabled brought to remembrance some avenues of approach I used in my primary resonant design. In essence, if I remember correctly, a resonant long wire antenna, tuned for 1/4 wavelength, coiled to the resonant frequency diameter, with overall coild spaced to give proper inductance for said frequency.
Since the TPU does not employ a capacitive disruptive discharge system, this should be much simpler to figure. Since I will be dealing with only winding capacitance.
Then, it would follow that all of the other coils then be tuned inductively to this same frequency, at either 1/2 wavelength (the impulse coils) and 1/4 wavelength for the collector. With each coil precisely "tuned" to the overall system frequency, heat production should drop, and efficiency should rise.
Remeber that a coil has a different frequency than a straight wire, unless properly wound, since you gain both inductance and capacitance. A given length of straight wire will resonate at one frequency, but when rolled into a close wound coil of a given diameter, will resonate at a different frequency. Change the coil length with the same number of turns, and the frequency changes again. Change the coil diameter, and the resonant frequency changes again. The resonant frequency of any coil is dependant upon its length, diameter, inductance, and capacitance, and wire diameter (inductance and capacitance, since less wire area leaves less capacitance, and closer winding spacing of smaller wire more inductance).
I am either going to see whether I can find the grotesque formula I used to use if I can find it in my notes, or re-formulate it again from scratch for everyone to try.
Mismatched coils will "fight" each other at any frequency, producing excess heat, and lessened efficiency.
I used to think only in terms of coil resonance, but found that the combination of the antenna/resonant coil formulas gave both extra voltage "kick" as well as high efficiency.
If anyone has a particular frequency they wished computed, I can attempt it.
By the way, has anyone used GM starter field winding wire? 1/4" wide flat strip about 1/8" thick (makes GREAT tesla primary winding)
@everyone concerning heat
Try immersing your TPU in distilled water, making sure that all wires are long enough to leave all connections outside of the water/TPU container. The TPU should be waterproof, with rubber and enamel insulation, and distilled water should work beutifully as a heatsink.
Paul Andrulis
Paul Andrulis
Hi Paul:
This gives rise to an idea I had back some time ago. What you are saying here is that each of the three coils would have to be a different size. The 15" said the first freq was 35K and the third was 245K. For each of these coils to transfer energy at the highest power level, they would have to resonate at that specific frequency. Your formula may well be the key to finding the link between all three frequencies and what frequency the collector has to be to collect the product of the three. I would like to see this formula for sure. EM did a sim of two frequencies and showed a revolving third product of the two.
With this in mind, would the product of the three produce the frequency of the output? Seeing how short the collectors have been, that would put it rather high but SM specificly said 5K with some hash.
Anyhow, plz share the info as it may take us another step closer.
thanks
thaelin
Would the real Otto please stand up!
AM
Are these tpus working at all or is it a wild goose chase? Was Steven Mark a fraud? Are the videos on YouTube a scam? Just curious.
By the way...if Steven Marks is really under a patent confinement, couldn't he tell someone, who told some, who told someone. How could that get back to him. I mean hints are just as bad aren't they? At this point he could just reveal it to someone and no one would know if it was b/c of his hints or otherwise.
Also, as far as the batteries in the 80s. How do we even know the films were made in the 80s. Is it because the film says 80 something. I could do that with my camcorder now. Can we trace back the date the films were made public?
Do you guys also believe the guy on YouTube that has the two rods, one made of 54 elements and one made of 53 that powers the 100 watt light bulb?
If this is real, what is the single experiment that produces odd results that idiots such as myself can understand? Perhaps someone could translate this in idiot terms for the hundreds of other idiots that purchase stuff from this site like myself. Also what does this experiment tell you in idiot terms?
Thanks a lot.
"Shoot...I don't even understand half of what you guys talk about."
By the way...if Steven Marks is really under a patent confinement, couldn't he tell someone, who told some, who told someone. How could that get back to him. I mean hints are just as bad aren't they? At this point he could just reveal it to someone and no one would know if it was b/c of his hints or otherwise.
Also, as far as the batteries in the 80s. How do we even know the films were made in the 80s. Is it because the film says 80 something. I could do that with my camcorder now. Can we trace back the date the films were made public?
Do you guys also believe the guy on YouTube that has the two rods, one made of 54 elements and one made of 53 that powers the 100 watt light bulb?
If this is real, what is the single experiment that produces odd results that idiots such as myself can understand? Perhaps someone could translate this in idiot terms for the hundreds of other idiots that purchase stuff from this site like myself. Also what does this experiment tell you in idiot terms?
Thanks a lot.Quote"Shoot...I don't even understand half of what you guys talk about."
That's because they have their own special language here. It's called gobbltygooktechnospeak.
The idea of a "patent confinement" is pure silliness. I like the good hard pointed questions you are asking. These TPU guys are a breed of their own and off on many tangents. I don't see anything yet that remotely resembles what we all saw on SM's videos. The reason Steven Mark doesn't tell all is that it's either a fraud or he has been bought or scared off. I have no opinion on which it is.
http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,962.0.html (http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,962.0.html)
Humbugger
What do you understand under the therm of "Lamp wire"????
Is this a 2 stranded kable or can this be something else???
To the "skeptics".... Yes, you are smarter and wiser than the US government! Hunh? Steve Mark was given a patent... that is all I should need to say, but maybe you dont have a clue about getting a patent. IT HAS TO BE PROVEN TO GET A PATENT. In the case of "free energy devices", "over unity devices", etc. etc. etc. you have to prove your concept extremely well, since patents are not generally given in these areas. Generally speaking, in these specific areas, you have to have affidavits from legitimate scientists/engineers agreeing that your device actually does what you claim.
Scamsters can't get patents on verbal statements, hearsay, or videos. Inventors get patents upon explained and demonstrated working prototypes with descriptive working theory. Patents are not like stamps, you can't just "slap your money down" and get one, and in these areas even legitimate devices are rejected.
Steven Mark recieved a patent, period, end of story. The TPU concept is as real as the air you breathe. Since steven sold the patent, and therefore all rights to it, then YES he does have to worry, unless he desires to be broke, spending a good portion of his life in court, and possibly a good number of years in jail if convicted. I think I myself would be quite circumspect in what I said, and to whom myself, being extremely carefull not to breach contract.
Paul Andrulis
@innovation
It is a good concept, and I intend to see it through. My motivation is not altogether altruistic either. I want off the energy grid, and now I have found a sound and suitable means to do so.
@humbug
You tried hard, for you, to make me look the imbecile. I have one of two possible conclusions to draw from your statements: either you did not do your research, or your statements wre intentional. I choose to see you in the better light, as not having done your research, but that is just my opinion. :D
1. Patents are not granted on perpetual motion devices, which information is overabundant everywhere you look. "Free energy" and "overunity" devices fall under said description with the patent office.
2. "Jesse McQueen" did have a prototype in '06 according to a link in the thread you referred to, which lead to a posting of a news article from said year by blacknews.com, and I could nowhere find a spot where he admitted that he didn't have one. Maybe I missed it. I did find several spots where he stated he would eventually "release" his prototype, but that he was trying to get money. His words (JMAC) were taken out of context, from what I read.
3. If your "catalyst" argument is to hold water, then why did you refer me to a link with you stating how it was impossible? I cannot use my own words as authoritative to validate a point I am making, and neither can you. As to the individual, I wonder if it refers to the man who was trying to build a means to fight cancer with RF, and discovered by accident that his medical machine would break down salt water into hydrogen and oxygen? His machine works, and the principle works, which you would know if you did your research.
4. Concerning "silly patents". I have perused many a good book concerning silly patents. However, patent laws have changed radically since the early part of the last century. You probably could still patent a self-tipping hat, for instance, yet today you would have to provide evidence of it's workability..... Amazingly enough, it is not a perpetual motion machine now is it?
You have voiced your opinion, and I have voiced mine. The people here have the ability to discern from our words whom is more credible, if such even needs be done. I personally do not think such is at all necessary, but that is just me. I researched your words giving you the benefit of the doubt, now you do the reciprocal.
I will not engage in a flamewar with you. If you wish to speak nicely to me, I have no problem with the concept, and even encourage it, and will respond in kind. From the other thread, it appears you like to engage in such, unless I misunderstand. I would rather be wrong on this then right, so prove me wrong.
Paul Andrulis
@watts, ron, innovation, & all
You are entirely right. This has no place here. It is not a problem anyway, as my last post was the end of the subject on my end. I have no intention of arguing here, or elsewhere for that matter. :)
Paul Andrulis
@wings
very interesting, good link to more info:
http://jnaudin.free.fr/html/gseamnu.htm
Acerzw
Hello all,
Dont ask me why my coils are cold, I dont know. Fact is that I dont know whats going on in my coils. My biggest "problem" is that I dont wright down what Im doing......I saw a lot of effects that are impossible but, as mentioned, I didnt made drawings and how I got this effects.....
Of course, I have all my crazy effects with my ECD - fast coils. As my oscillators are a s..t and as I think my "fast" coils are solving this problem,
Hmmmm, I see that I have to work much slower and wright every new "discovery" down and then I can really wright a book about pulsed coils. Not bad idea to earn some money, ha,ha.
Otto
@Tosky
hot = sooo hot that you easily can burn your fingers.
cold = maybe colder as the air arround me.
Otto
Is J.L.Naudin claiming that you can get more energy out than in with longitudinal/scalar waves at this page. Is there experimental evidence to back it up?
http://jnaudin.free.fr/html/lmdtem.htm
Singerxyz
Thanks for the confirmation that this works, I had posted on another thread regarding this possibility, it is good to hear that it works, it will simplify experimenting a great deal.
Acerzw
Wait...
@acerzw & singerxyz:
are you shure that soundcards and/or final stages of audio amplifiers do arrive at the required frquencies?! If this thing works without any function generator but with an ordinary soundcard and heterodyning that would be great! With "Adobe Audition" I can generate just all the waveforms I want!
Hi all,
I have replicated to my best ability the LMD/TEM test. It can be seen here: http://www.ctglabs.com/TEM_LMD.htm
I have seen no excess power, but I can confirm heat appearing at the far end and not at the output end, etc, when in LMD mode.
I can also confirm signals in LMD are IN PHASE, not lagging! This should mean more real power?!
It should be noted that JLNs test results appear in a computer simulation using microcap software!
Regards,
Dave.
Hi all,
I have replicated to my best ability the LMD/TEM test. It can be seen here: http://www.ctglabs.com/TEM_LMD.htm
I have seen no excess power, but I can confirm heat appearing at the far end and not at the output end, etc, when in LMD mode.
I can also confirm signals in LMD are IN PHASE, not lagging! This should mean more real power?!
It should be noted that JLNs test results appear in a computer simulation using microcap software!
Regards,
Dave.
Singerxyz
Thanks for the confirmation that this works, I had posted on another thread regarding this possibility, it is good to hear that it works, it will simplify experimenting a great deal.
Acerzw
It also means that once the proper frequencies are found, they can be mass produced/replicated as easily sending an mp3!
That little jump into DC on pic 47 is MOST interesting!
@Jason,
at the end you are still here...glad to hear from you.
I mostly agree with what you are saying but.........remember: SM did it almost without any electronics so we are speaking about coils, air and some magnets: that's all. I fear that if we seek the hi-tech way we are going out of the context. I do confirm AS I HAVE ALREADY TESTED IT that using a DC high voltage bias does produce increase in the output (about 4-8%). In my case actually it sufficed a voltage of about 60V...increasing that voltage up to 500V did not produced any more output. I did it just rectifying the ECD output itself and putting it onto an annular aluminum plate fitted under the ECD. Same effect is obtained by just polarizing a secondary winding in the control coils.
I wonder if BB project is successfull as it will be great! Probably you are building on DDS just to control it. GOOD LUCK!
Roberto
@Jason
When you are ready name your price. I'll find some way to pay for it!
I never put much stock in fancy electronics. Some of my wildest low power results were with 2N2222's :)
The fanciest toys I ever had was an old IFR120 and a TBert.
But with that beast? Who knows!
Jason,
if you could use a USB interface chip,
this would be much easier,
as some PCs don?t have a serial port anymore.
Regards, Stefan.
Two functions I always like are 'scripted' and 'hunt'.
If you don't see what those could mean and haven't written such code before it could be a real chore. The 'hunt' mode requires input from the real world - kind of a SCADA subset.
A good way to make this possible is when you write your code include DDE OLE OPC or whatever hooks into the visual controls. Then folks could write scripts with (Heaven Forbid!) MS Excel.
You may want to throw in some ferrite beads for those USB cables ;D
some of the guys at Aliastairs Cooper desulpahating site have gone to JIL soft ware and easy to use. They say the learning curve is easeier, and it's all free download for the code. and has a user group to help out.
@ Mark
I did same test with 3 ORed generators some time ag? using only one Mosfet's driver + Power Mosfet (IRFP460) but not using your upper/lower side driver. Well it's not the same as using the Otto's way. I don't know the reason why...difficult to find a concrete reason! Anyway with that arrangement I've not been able to obtain the same output as in standard configuration.
Roberto
@ Otto . I've gone back to where you started and have wound some coils to go on the 2 aluminum rings I posted way back somewhere. the photos are self explanitory . see what you think about the winding directions one set for the top and one set for the bottom. I just wondering about the CW and CCW wind. back BEMF and waht direction at the monent, thanks Mike (edit) gee thats funny I posted this fifteen minutes ago and already have had 18 views and there are only 19 people online , lerkers ,,guess i won't post here anymore. no ones working ,,,,,,,,,, edit .. now we got 54 views and no comments gezzz collages guy wnat to know and you just donb;'t know mm call martion not a kop lol ...... tooling it's a tool
@Mark
YES I'm speaking of my standard test-ECD with 3 Control Coils standard connected and incorporating the last improvements. I disconnect only the other 2 Mosfet mini-board switches and connected the remain switch to an OR of 3 generators. To summarize ONLY one Mosfet switch + OR circuitry.
It happened an interesting thing:
- if I put the output OR polarity in such a way that the waveform most of time was at Zero level, I'd almost no power consumption (only few milliamps @ 12V), regular (?) waveforms on Drain, but NO power output on lamp for any (?) input mix of the 3 freqs.
-if I put the output OR polarity in such a way that the waveform most of time was at 1 level, I'd about 40W on load-lamp: no OU but an interesting power ...anyway less than that obtainable with the 3 separated switches all connected ( about 70 -80 W on lamp).
If you want I'm able to quickly re-build that situation and document it appropriately.
Roberto
Welcome all.
Does anyone have a (good quality) pic of any of his devices, so as to be able to see any detailed device construction?
There are a few floating around - lok in the "sticky" topics for the TPU.
When I first saw a construction layout, (circa - beginning of this thread), I was surprised to see what appeared to be an Open Ended loop, with 3 (sub) coils on it - usually at 0, 120, & 240 degrees.
These first thoughts were probably misleading, as it's not actually Open-Ended at all.
But one thing I am now wondering about is the 120 degree spacing of the sub coils, to pick off the power.
I think I have also heard some people mention that they get something coming from the "Zero" rather than the node, and were surprised at this.
The coils you are referring to are known as "control coils" and are used to somehow cause energy to manifest in the "collector" (the open loop).
I think you will find that this is because the behavior you are experiencing is due to SWR - Standing Wave Ratio.
(SWR for those that don't know is an AC only situation. ie: Has no relevance to DC).
It's the taught rope scenario: One end attached to the wall, the other in your hand. Introduce a wave in the rope, and it will bounce back to you from the wall.
When you get the wave in the rope in 'resonance', it's like certain points of the rope are stationary, with the sections in between going up & down in perfect unison, rather than random waves traveling back & fourth.
This is much the same electrically.
Curiously, standing waves have been discussed to some degree "offline". Funny that is now appears here. Since you brought it up, I will offer that if the "collector" is resonant and open-ended - nodes will be at the ends and no potential will exist between them. Not usre what happens when you bias the collector or start applying other signals.
Next important point regarding this, is that in a (perfect world) setup, ZERO power is consumed at the Maximum & zero voltage points.
EG: At the SWR Maximum voltage point, it has reached maximum voltage due to no load (in its perfect setup), equating to (acting like) an Open Circuit.
So: Maximum voltage but infinite resistance = no current, therefore no power.
When at its (SWR) Zero voltage point, its acting like a Short-circuit: Maximum current but no voltage, so Zero volts x current = zero power.
But - In your circuits though, maximum current = magnetic field, which you can probably 'tap' into, and collect some usable power.
How many people have tried calculating & designing a perfect resonant setup of the (mobius) coil ?
I saw someone mentioned theirs tuned for 180kHz (?)
I'm wondering if the lack of significant success of many designs is the lack of this resonant tuning for the frequencies being used.
Also, as in radio designs, poor or unclear understanding of the complexities/complications of producing a good resonant setup (often more due to physical rather than electrical considerations), can lead to cross-couplings, interferences, cancellations etc, which can completely destroy its worth.
I was also very interested in the first post of this thread (Successful replication...) where they mentioned what they described as a Shock-wave coming from it when they first turned it on. Would you describe this as an (inaudible) audio frequency wave (such as an ultrasonic wave, which you certainly can feel but not hear [when loud enough]), or perhaps some form of an electro-gravitational wave ??
How does this sit so far ?
I'm completely open to any & all discussion/criticism on this.
I realise there are some things in this caboodle which step Outside normal electrical theories, while some (observed phenomenon) will easily fall within them.
Thanks for listening, Hope you haven't chewed your leg off from boredom...
Jeff.
PS: Sorry, but I'm also another one of "Those" Apple Mac fanatics. Death to Microsoft ! *grin*
September 27, 2006
It is really great to see more "hands on" activity here. It may be relevant to convey the importance of the relationship
between the resonances/wire lengths of the control/collector coils. I think of it a a rotational magnetic reciever. Some of
the tests that I have carried on the coiols that have visible control windings indicate frequencies in the megahertz range
which would make pc scopes un usable ...I could be wrong...we will see. We are Searching for a rotational Kicking
field.that can be accelerated by applying harmonics This could take a while. It is unconventional. Sharing results..even
failures will help every body. Sharing limitations will slow everybody down. It would be great if more those who seem to
have a clear understanding would do some winding to confirm their expectations. Perhaps Luck will come into it I
remember a fellow who said "The more I work and act the more luck I seem to get"
Actually, thinking about this, and relating it to the "Helix" model, has anyone tried winding their collector as a Stacked in-line coil (ie: like the thread of a screw), rather than just next to each other ?
Hello all,
@All
You all have to understand 1 thing: with SS - MOSFETs - its almost NOT possible to have a good working TPU!! Yes, I had 3 runaways with my SS driven TPUs but I was working like a idiot to achieve this.
With TUBES its not sooo a hard work. Of course you all have to understand how a tube works, how to connect it....
NO, dont ask me how to connect it. Im a newbi with tubes but a lot of you missed how the output signal of a TPU looks like: SINE WAVES AND ON TOP OF THIS SINES ARE KICKS.
Now imagine the plate voltage of a tube is 200VDC!!!! WOOOOW!!!! And now imagine the heating voltage of this tube is 12,6VAC. Again: WOOOOW!!!!!
END RESULT WHEN THIS 2 VOLTAGES COMES TOGETHER: SINE WAVES WITH KICKS ON TOP.
Otto
Im using a ECC82 = 12AU7 tubes.Double triodes. 3 of them for 3 oscillators. Heating voltage is 12,6VAC.
Of course, youre right. Output should be sine waves. Yes, the tubes will be a part of the TPU.
The point is that I now "convert" my kicks into sine waves directly on my bulb. The input signals are square waves (kicks) and at my bulb I have connected a oridinary cap that converts my signals. I have arround 200VAC on my bulb. OK, input is 12V or 24VDC from the power supply and the current is the same 4-5A. And I saw that I can mix my square waves in the coils and have a fine output on my bulb.
With a voltage of say 250V from the tube it would be interesting to see whats going on in my coils. Yes, I know that the plate voltage is only in miliamperes but there is a heater with his current. So, when I connect the plate VOLTAGE and the heater CURRENT.....so they work together....50Hz + a high frequency...I dont know what will happen. For sure I know that there will be a vibration because yesterday I feeded a unknown AC voltage (12V??) 50Hz to my pulsed coils and I had a vibration.
Otto
Hello all,
I can only say that tubes are a MUST!! Sorry guys with MOSFETs. For myself I can say that Im on MOSFETs and building my sine wave oscillators with tubes. I burned a lot of MOSFETs and finally after over a year Im now cleverer.
TUBES, nothing else.
Otto
@Jeff
in this moment Im using just 1 ECC or to say it better 1/2 of the ECC just for 1 oscillator. Now Im learning how to change the frequencies in this oscillator. I need frequencies from 1Hz - 300kHz. For now Im in the MHz region and looking for a circuit that can give me kHz or lower. HA!! Im not sure too how to make my oscillators not to mention how to connect everything together. Im....hmmm....at a zero point.
Otto
@Otto,
all the mentioned tube oscillators are FOR HIGH FREQUENCY operations. For our range of operations: Hz to at least 300KHz you need a low frequency ocillator: so better don't use Colpitt, Hartley, etc.
Roberto
@Marco,
Try to make a 20Hz Hartley or Colpitt ... it's practically very, very difficult so nobody use it :'(
Otto,
After considerable reading of the various threads, they always talk about fast turn on looking for the generation of the RE from the fast rising pulse edge in the TPU device. Now I am hearing that you are trying to use clean sine waves for excitation. Boy did I miss something. Could you please set me straight on this.
Thank You,
John
Unfortunately I have allot to learn yet. I still want to stick with SS for now which I have started. I am trying to fuse, isolate the circuitry as best I can to prevent having to replace my MOSFETS.Using sine waves instead of square waves might help alleviate blowing up parts.
Is there an advantage to using iron wire as the collector as compared to copper?
Its great that there are people here that you can learn from.
John
@Otto
But - I would like to say this:
My suggestion is to Forget about trying to create a Valve Oscillator - just for the short term.
Use your signal generator (sinewave) to do the frequency, and the amp for the power & robustness to deliver it to the coil.
This will save lots of time trying to create oscillators, and give you stable frequencies to test with.
- Just for Ease of use, and Time/Labor savings -
Jeff.
PS: I would NEVER mention Batteries...
@Otto
My suggestion is ...............
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Jeff.
PS: I would NEVER mention Batteries...
oops wrong turn....
it is tubes you need.
and batteries too, no i mean two ;D
you need two seperate controllable DC sources.
Marco.
Nothing to do ay?
i just added that because i know there are some folks that find this intresting.
Jou Sugest to take the SS route because you think it will save you time ,and i sugest you use TUBES.
M.
.... you need two seperate controllable DC sources.
This is important to create the MDC
The MDC is a polarized DC wave in one direction yet constantly changing.
It is a sine wave like classic AC but it never reverses.
MDC stands for MODULATED DIRECT CURRENT always dropping and rising but never reverses.
You can create this type of current simply by taking an AC wave and switch it in series with a DC source, the AC signal now simply ADDS on top of the DC source.
For example we take a 9 volt AC sine wave and we switch it in series with a 9 volt batterie,
The resulting wave will be cycling between zero and 18 volts but it will never REVERSE it's direction.
in other words ,it does not alternate like AC does , but it does cause induction ,the field is still always changing.
you cannot create an MDC wave with one source because you cannot add the same source in series with itself....this is why two DC sources are needed.
The output of the tpu was called ADC, Alternating Direct Current , i prefer to call it MDC
the same thing applies to tubes, some people forget tubes are still DIODES.
Diodes conduct in one way only.
if we want to amplify let's say a signal from a microphone, which puts out AC signal, we cannot feed this directly into the tube because it will only handle one half of the AC signal.
Therefore we switch in again the DC source in series with the mic so it becomes polarized and the AC signal simply adds to the DC and again we have our MDC which the tube can handle, it is always positive or negative.
The dancing magnet video i made was created with this type of current.
It was fed an AC 5 volt signal in series with a 12 volt DC current.
The resulting wave was cycling between + 7 and +17 volt always positive but yet it caused the effect.
@GK,
My images you posted are wrong.
Marco.
@marco,
Re: Dirty SS devices: I really do think this was a silly statement.
Use SS it will save you time.
Your statement reads that there are no clean devices except tubes, and that without tubes, we
cannot get the perfect frequency.
Your whole statement revolves around the SS frequency generator giving Dirty signals.
But To What tolerance ?
We can't easily produce a perfect sine wave, by any means.
Anyway - I'm NOT trying to insult you or anything.
I'm just saying there are practical tolerances with any piece of equipment - Valve or
otherwise - that you can't escape from.
My PREVIOUS statement to Otto, was simply that I thought it would save him time to use the SS
freq gen, put through his Valve amp.
I though that this approach would simply speed up his search for finding the required frequencies.
ONCE HE FOUND THEM, then he could do as much as he liked to use his valves as the oscillator, and
refine their stability to see how much change/extra gain he could find from the TPU/ECD.
Oh yes - and you said (about a TV yoke) "i do know that on the yoke the magnets are used to set up
a carefully balanced magnetic field which helps to drive the electron beam."
Incorrect. Not Driving anything.
On a 3 beam (colour) TV tube, the electron guns have a physical offsett.
The magnets do set up a carefully balanced magnetic field, but just to slightly deflect the 3 individual
beams, so they converge at the same point on the front of the screen (on their respective colour
phosphors).
This is probably what you meant, but just phrased it wrongly.
I'm sorry guys -
I don't mind criticism, but I simply wrote down a few comments previously, and I got my head bitten
off for doing so.
I was just trying to balance speed & versatility with "time to get a result".
Have a nice evening, but try to take it easy on the next guy,
Jeff.
@BEP
I accept your statement about charged particles, but I would have thought that the Driving Valve Amp would have supplied this.
Would it change anything if the frequency source connected to its gate Wasn't a valve ?
Hello all,
@dfro
First I have to say that Im not working on the ECD anymore. The ECD was working great but I always wanted to follow our master and that was "controls all over the collectors in segments....".
For me, the ECD was only for learning about coils....
Yes, the vertical part of a TPU is what we need to explore. The height of such a 6" TPU is 44mm or 1 3/4". My previous TPU had 4 turns of lamp wire on top and 1 turn of lamp wire on bottom (4" loop) for the collectors. All arround was wound a primary and secondary control coil, in sections....it was a "wild" TPU. I was almost not able to control it with MOSFETs and I burned a lot of them. Yes, yes, the tubers would say that I finally have to build tube oscillators but as I have to work all the days long I have no time .
My newest TPU has equal number of turns for each collector and this newest is not a wild one. This means that one part of the stability of a TPU depends on the collector lenght or the difference of the collectors wires (top bottom) or call it what you want.
I dont think that the controls are essential for the stability but who knows??
Youre right about vertical coils BETWEEN the collectors. They really help. But the spacing between the collectors is important. I mentioned this a looooong time ago. The reason is that all collectors are working together in the vertical direction and when you think about the thickness of the TPU = 2" you can see that there is a lot going on in the horizontal direction too.
All the time Im working only with coils without caps, diodes.....if you think that I need cups to step up the voltage then youre wrong. I can get a lot of voltage only with coils but we dont need a very high voltage for a working TPU. We also dont need a lot of current for a working TPU. We also dont need a lot of wires for a working TPU (remember the open TPU).
What DO we need then???
Our master said: controls wound all over the collectors in sections.......
Otto
PS: Im following my - our master!!
@all
Have you notice this post from MACEDONIA CD http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,3564.msg59232.html#msg59232
The guy seems to have discovered - similar to wave form - dynamics for the magnetic fields in different-material coils interaction. AT LEAST from learning point of view it it highly interesting. In addition it if mastered it may help simplify the controlling electronics. The English is not good but the idea/experiment is definitely something worth looking at.
Hope this is helpful to all.
Hello all,
@dfro
First I have to say that Im not working on the ECD anymore. The ECD was working great but I always wanted to follow our master and that was "controls all over the collectors in segments....".
For me, the ECD was only for learning about coils....
Yes, the vertical part of a TPU is what we need to explore. The height of such a 6" TPU is 44mm or 1 3/4". My previous TPU had 4 turns of lamp wire on top and 1 turn of lamp wire on bottom (4" loop) for the collectors. All arround was wound a primary and secondary control coil, in sections....it was a "wild" TPU. I was almost not able to control it with MOSFETs and I burned a lot of them. Yes, yes, the tubers would say that I finally have to build tube oscillators but as I have to work all the days long I have no time .
My newest TPU has equal number of turns for each collector and this newest is not a wild one. This means that one part of the stability of a TPU depends on the collector lenght or the difference of the collectors wires (top bottom) or call it what you want.
I dont think that the controls are essential for the stability but who knows??
Youre right about vertical coils BETWEEN the collectors. They really help. But the spacing between the collectors is important. I mentioned this a looooong time ago. The reason is that all collectors are working together in the vertical direction and when you think about the thickness of the TPU = 2" you can see that there is a lot going on in the horizontal direction too.
All the time Im working only with coils without caps, diodes.....if you think that I need cups to step up the voltage then youre wrong. I can get a lot of voltage only with coils but we dont need a very high voltage for a working TPU. We also dont need a lot of current for a working TPU. We also dont need a lot of wires for a working TPU (remember the open TPU).
What DO we need then???
Our master said: controls wound all over the collectors in sections.......
Otto
PS: Im following my - our master!!
Platonic geometry:
I wanted to also share a new insight on frequency, if you have time to read the material, it may open a new comprehension as it did with myself. As we are usually talking rotating spherical fields.
http://www.timstouse.com/EarthChanges/ScienceOneness/chapter13.htm (http://www.timstouse.com/EarthChanges/ScienceOneness/chapter13.htm)
Hi Dave L,
I like your drawing.
I did a similar one here:
http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,1848.msg31317.html#msg31317
Maybe it means something to you.
I marked the double leads of the 6" and 4" collector in blue and red.
It might be worthwhile to calculate the frequencies - or rather the harmonic relationships - involved, based on the info given in your previous postings.
Unfortunately my understanding of the matter is not precise enough to attempt this, yet.
For people (like me) not acquainted with NMR (Nuclear Magnetic Resonance), here is a good start:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_magnetic_resonance
For an excellent "Beginners Guide to", go here: (A very well written introduction to NMR Spectroscopy. Lots of animations.)
http://www.cem.msu.edu/~reusch/VirtualText/Spectrpy/nmr/nmr1.htm
The second link in particular, is really helpful for understanding the whole field, even though it's bias is the Spectroscopy field
Just sheds light on everything, without extreme Brain-Strain. ::)
Jeff.
merry Christmas.
Otto
@sparks 'energy form' got me thinking....
@all
I have a radical solid-state vacuum energy device idea which I want to run past you..... it is as usual with me a bit far out... but here goes...
To fully understand this idea I recommend you read this great page, a link to which I posted on page 39...
http://www.timstouse.com/EarthChanges/ScienceOneness/chapter13.htm
You could search google video for "cymatics" too, an example:
http://myspacetv.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=vids.individual&videoid=5860842
In summary a two or three dimensional form is created when a standing wave (or moving wave with the right frequencies) is contained or restricted by a barrier which is impermeable to it but reflects it. Adjusting the frequency of the wave source and the size of the barrier changes the shape created, so:
Now suppose we create a metal/wire sphere, which might need to be electromagnetically charged. Now we place in the centre of this sphere a perfect electromagnetic energy broadcast source perhaps a small metallic sphere, such that it can radiate electromagnetic pulses outward in an almost perfect spherical wave.
Using the principles of cymatics, we then tune the electromagnetic pulses from our central source so that they create a cymatic energy form inside the wire/metal sphere. This form of our choosing will have either node points (in the case of platonic solid forms) or points of high energy concentration (in the case of other patterns). Now I suspect if the pressure/stress created in the ether at these points was high enough then a specially designed energy capture probe placed at these points, by inserting through the spherical metal sphere/mesh, might have a reaction caused in it that allows it to extract vacuum energy. If the device was a metal sphere perhaps the probes could just be round plates built into its walls at the node intervals. (There might be anti-nodes to if Russell is correct that could be tapped too, or perhaps the potential between nodes and anti-nodes could be used?)
The design of the probe would probably have to include severals parts/elements organised in a specific way in order to create a potential which the vacuum energy under the extreme stresses would be obliged to fill in order to attempt to bring the system back into equilibrium. This might mean pulsing the probes with a field of some type.
In order to make the containment barrier effective it might need to be charged or pulsed in some way... as it needs to reflect the contained pulses... not absorb them...
This is kind of based on Russell and Keeley, but particularly Schauberger, who showed a very high pressure energy vortex has a central hi-stress nodal point at the center which can tap vacuum energy... The shape of the device also reminds me of Tesla's Wardenclyffe tower...
The tuning would have to be very specific in terms of the size of the sphere, the frequencies and materials used. But it seems logical to me that it would work. Plus depending on the Cymatic form created due to the frequencies used the number of nodes/high energy points can be increased (made very dense indeed) and thus the number of probes, increasing the output. Indeed if the correct structure design/material were used it might be possible to replace the probes with an internal three dimensional energy collection mesh made of wire in order to be able to tap internal high energy/stress points within the form, if the more complex forms were used... we must remember here that materials can be invisible to waves of certain frequencies so the right material could support a grid of collection devices yet not interfere with the wave energy.
This basic theory is semi-supported by the comment I have seen on other energy forums that the "Joe Cell" energy device is designed around a wave form, its concentric rings coincide with a wave form as shown in the Walter Russel energy diagram at the end of this post.
I do not think the input energy's would necessarily need to be high, just the frequencies, so the input output ratio might be pretty good. I can think of many variations of this idea, it seems to me to be a potentially important key...
Waves are three dimensional, we only use two dimensions in our current devices so are wasting tons of energy, we need to go 3D! Surely a "Joe Cell" of concentric spheres would be more efficient than the current design. 8)
If the sphere were filled with hydrogen, helium or water using the right frequency (possibly of sound) there might be enough energy at the high stress points to disassociate the molecules and produce excess heat (as described in my page 39 post). If the metal sphere of the liquid/gas is placed in a pressurised compartment filled with water the heat from the sphere would heat the water producing steam which could run a turbine to produce more energy. The liquid/gas in the internal sphere would need to be pumped through it and cooled at a later stage which would cause it to recombine and then it could be passed through the system again... a closed system. The energy produced on the output could be used to power the internal frequency generator thus creating a self-running system. This reactor design is documented in "Occult Ether Physics" by William Lyne. Can we say super efficient cold fusion reactor!
Someone, Tesla? probably did this already? A Cymatic Energy Form Generator...
A
This guy is selling plans to make a TPU for $39.00 USD
looks like the same as SM's TPU.
http://www.ncbookz.com/
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p1Eh-6hjBLY
Yes!This guy is selling plans to make a TPU for $39.00 USD
looks like the same as SM's TPU.
http://www.ncbookz.com/
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p1Eh-6hjBLY
This guy again...sigh... Apparently this guy has fooled quite a few people.. Someone should post a video response to his utube videos so that no one else is scammed.. If you you want to replicate nc's device just forget the toroid and connect the your multimeter directly to the lamp cord, way better..
Yes!
I just got a reply from an email he sent me.... basicaly It dont sound like if recreated anything, other than the look of the TPU itself. He does sound like a scam.
Yes!This guy is selling plans to make a TPU for $39.00 USD
looks like the same as SM's TPU.
http://www.ncbookz.com/
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p1Eh-6hjBLY
This guy again...sigh... Apparently this guy has fooled quite a few people.. Someone should post a video response to his utube videos so that no one else is scammed.. If you you want to replicate nc's device just forget the toroid and connect the your multimeter directly to the lamp cord, way better..
I just got a reply from an email he sent me.... basicaly It dont sound like if recreated anything, other than the look of the TPU itself. He does sound like a scam.
Yes!This guy is selling plans to make a TPU for $39.00 USD
looks like the same as SM's TPU.
http://www.ncbookz.com/
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p1Eh-6hjBLY
This guy again...sigh... Apparently this guy has fooled quite a few people.. Someone should post a video response to his utube videos so that no one else is scammed.. If you you want to replicate nc's device just forget the toroid and connect the your multimeter directly to the lamp cord, way better..
I just got a reply from an email he sent me.... basicaly It dont sound like if recreated anything, other than the look of the TPU itself. He does sound like a scam.
Stop saying b******, you are probably the guys selling this crap. New member with only 2 posts related to this crap.
This is scam.
Yes!This guy is selling plans to make a TPU for $39.00 USD
looks like the same as SM's TPU.
http://www.ncbookz.com/
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p1Eh-6hjBLY
This guy again...sigh... Apparently this guy has fooled quite a few people.. Someone should post a video response to his utube videos so that no one else is scammed.. If you you want to replicate nc's device just forget the toroid and connect the your multimeter directly to the lamp cord, way better..
I just got a reply from an email he sent me.... basicaly It dont sound like if recreated anything, other than the look of the TPU itself. He does sound like a scam.
Stop saying b******, you are probably the guys selling this crap. New member with only 2 posts related to this crap.
This is scam.
Are you talking about me? lol no I have nothing to do with this guy thats selling... I just found the site and thought it would have been useful information, wich obviously I was wrong.
Accusing people just cause there a new member is just stupid. Am I expected to read every forum and post before I register? This site wont get many users if thats the case.
You must be "TheOne" from ATS as well.... ;oP Am I right?
@Ergo
First off, if Steven Mark were a scam artist, he would be asking for money. Steven Mark has not asked for money, the information he gave us, he gave without charge. Second, there have been a number of people here who have had their TPUs output some impressive amounts of power. Some of the TPUs people here have built had enough output power to fry their control circuits and even their oscilloscopes. The technology is real. If you are not going to help out the cause through experimenting with coils you build, then please go somewhere else. Thank you.
Drossen
Some of the TPUs people here have built had enough output power to fry their control circuits and even their oscilloscopes. The technology is real.
Drossen
I am building a better frequency controller.
I would suggest reading Tesla's patents and works. He was a genius with a very passionate heart for this technology and compassionate heart for mankind.
Otherwise at this time the Nazis would be telling us what we can and cannot do. And some of us would have been anihilated.
All the great dreams of all the great visionaries have been, are, and forever will be told 'NO, you can't do that'.
No one here cannot tell any one that that has not happend in their own lives also.
History is rife with those naysayers that speak with pompous authority that have never made a valid, positive contribution to society. They are in control only for the sake of demoralizing, squandering, subverting any valid efforts of anybody that would stand up and present a diferent view that is positive.
Once upon a time, two bicycle mechanics wanted to fly. Now we are beyond the stars.
Since these threads are so convoluted and strewn about with no real connection of terms, the newbies coming in are very subject to the current postings, Care should be taken not to subvert the long term goal with short term denial.
All the builders have something in their possession that does not exist any where else in the world. The representation of that object is also quite unique. When I look at what has been built and demoed so far I can see farther and deeper into the universe that ever before. I have experienced a large group of people that have spurred me into new realms of thinking and action that no no else on this dirt ball has done before. I like the collection of people and devices I have experienced here. That is the stuff that makes dreams happen. Dreams into reality. If anyone can't handle this then enjoy your nightmare.
--giantkiller. Just build something....
ps. Damage control on full.
No matter what people think or believe they should first consult the laws of Occam's Razor.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Occam's_Razor
No matter what people think or believe they should first consult the laws of Occam's Razor.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Occam's_Razor
A quick and dirty test if one doesn't want to build or figure these beasties out is to:All of these experiments and claimed results can be explained by completly normal electrical rules.
Take a microwave oven. Rig the safety switch on. Leave the door open. Put a voltmeter (digital or analog) in the oven cavity. Set the timer for 1 hour. Press start. Put an aluminum foil suit on.
Now every 1 second run by the microwave oven and quickly take a reading off the meter for 10 minutes.
What does it say? And how do you feel? Tingly all over? That isn't love. The burning sensation? It isn't athletes foot of the upper extremities either. Do parts of your skin feel like you just applied warm jello to those areas?
Are you on your ass in other room from a flight through sheetrock?
That, my friend, is what we are up against. Be careful. I don't turn mine on anymore. I have downsized another build in copper mass. I am building a better frequency controller. Mannix told me to build a failsafe in front of the coil driver. I did. Now I have an incredible armada of objects and controls to throw in the cage with the monster to see if I can trap it further.
Mine kicked my ass. Otto's blew up his equipment. Jason received two shock blasts to the chest. And SM reported that his hands are still messed up to this day. :( A builder on HHO got blown off his feet. In the exploding pop can experiment, aluminum is vaporized. Hello?
I was given more than enough warnings and I heeded them. So who won't? Your first step is to write out a will.
Oppenheiny suggested he stand near the Safe at Alamogordo to see what would happen. Einstein told him '50 miles'. Damn, another war monger lives to wreak havoc.
--giantkiller. Be safe, please.
Some of the TPUs people here have built had enough output power to fry their control circuits and even their oscilloscopes. The technology is real.The statement above proves nothing. I can fry any electronic setup or oscilloscope by trying to measure the high voltage and high frequency
Drossen
Also, the LCD backlight controls operate between 10 and 200 KHz with output voltages up to 5.8 volts with up to 200 mA..
This is well below 2 watts of power.
Drossen
Actually, the strike voltage for a CCFL is dependant on the length and diameter of the CCFL. For a typical CCFL used in the average sized LCD computer monitors, the strike voltage is around 500V and uses around 3 mA, which is still less than 2 watts.
It is clear to me that it would take a significant amount of power to fry even a cheap oscilloscope.
@ErgoPerhaps there is a path to free energy but I'll bet anything that a TPU is not one of those roads.
The fact that people are frying oscilloscopes, observing cooling in coils, etc from 20-40V pulsed DC power input suggests to me that (in some of these devices) there is probably radiant energy input from the active vacuum. I am especially interested because these strange effects are occurring during "sharp gradients," which are known in physics journals to be violations of the second law of thermodynamics. (which only applies to equilibrium systems anyway). In any case, Radiant energy can contain both positive and negative components. The negative component is responsible for system cooling, antigravity (mass reduction) effects, and so on. Anytime you have impedance you have the potential for energy from the active environment to enter the system (be it positive or negative vacuum energy). These are the same principles as "back EMF" which powers the Bedini systems. . . Same stuff, different names.
Now, that said, I share your feelings that there have been no systematic experiments. What really needs to be done is full documentation and posting of lab notes, components, etc. I can think of a few experiments.
Experiment 1:The difference is between a sine and square wave is the harmonic content. The sharper flank the higher harmonic content.
Compare sine wave to square wave... A) see if resonant frequency of TPU changes. B) See if power output is effected.
Experiment 2:There are many ways to measure an output. If the output is difficult, like high frequency waves, then controlled heating in a non inductive resistor is the prefered methode.
Systematically measure resonant frequencies using a photovoltaic cell pointed at the output lamp. Then it's not "does it look brightest" , but rather a physical quantity which can be measured. A) Measure the voltage potential on the output coil at different resonant frequencies. B) Measure the photovoltaic output potential with various combinations of the strongest resonant waves
Experiment 3:No, it won't. The benefit of bifilar/trifilar winding is the posibility to increase or decrease inductance depending on how the coil is wound.
Try different coils (trifilar , bifilar, etc). Do these effect the power output?
Experiment 4:Knock yourself out.
Vary the sharpness of the gradiant (in a square wave oscillator). Does this effect the power output? (SCOPE TRACES PLZ)
Experiment 5:There is no existing rotating magnetic field. This is not possible in a "Toroid" or any other magnetic or non magnetic core.
In the coils which seem to have a rotating magnetic scalar potential , put compasses around the coil periphery to measure the change in B-field at any given point in space-time during an interval of TPU operation. Can we see rotating B potential? What frequency is it rotating at? If none exists or is observable, why is this so?
In any case, to get sustained over-unity in these TPU devices, I can almost guarentee it will need to use switching circuitry to capture negative energy to charge capacitors or batteries to power a conventional load. Hitting the right resonance of the local vacuum might only be good for burning out equipment unless there are some bright ideas regarding "energy routing", so to speak. This will require timing circuitry...There will be no overunity from any captured "negative" energy. Your'e talking about inductive kickback. This is not overunity.
Another way I can see to get sustained over-unity in TPU is if there exists a rotating instantaneous magnetic scalar potential. This has been speculated upon during this thread. If the rotating magnetic potential can be controlled via input oscillator dynamics, and is generated by E-amp effects from the active vacuum, then you may have a COP>1 system ready to be harvested. So think of this as a rotating concentrated magnetic potential (a "superpole" perhaps) on the coil . If this is happening , then you could mechanically couple the potential to convert it back to positive EM energy, through an old fashioned generator shaft. Now, it will only be COP>1 if the vacuum input is helping create a strong rotating B potential. This speculation may be clarified through Experiment 5.Sorry, but this will never happen.
I'm sure there's more ways than outlined above. Just keep thinking outside the lies which pass for official wisdom.Yes, it's good to have ideas. And it's even better to try them out. Any of you wanting to continue the holy graal "TPU" hunt, please continue.
ErgoI'm just telling you how coils work so you can avoid repeating the same mistakes over and over....
Just one question: What are you doing here?
Trust me, you cant assure nobody here, and as i see nobody can assure you. So, wtf are you doing here?You don't seem to handle the truth.... To bad for you.
Perhaps there is a path to free energy but I'll bet anything that a TPU is not one of those roads.
The difference is between a sine and square wave is the harmonic content. The sharper flank the higher harmonic content.
But it's still just voltage, not magic.
There is no existing rotating magnetic field.
There will be no overunity from any captured "negative" energy. Your'e talking about inductive kickback. This is not overunity. Inductive kickback is a well understood behavior of coils. There's no magic happening. What you put in is what you get back in reverse (minus the losses).
Sorry, but this will never happen.Maybe not, but how to we know anything without experiments?
Are you familiar with Bedini's COP > 1 systems ? If you are not, it might be good to examine their operation.
They are free energy, and anyone can build them.
I don't understand this part. . . you seem to be ignoring the steepness of the gradient (dV/dT). Sharp gradients are already known to violate the second law of thermodynamics. A square wave has a sharper gradient than a sine wave.
Sharp gradients are already known to violate the second law of thermodynamics.Here we go again. You show me one single proof on sharp gradients violating any thermodynamics law.
So why can't you make a magnetic potential rotate?Yes, you can, if you use a mechanical force, like in a motor.
It doesn't move. It couldn't move unless you could make the wiring jump around by itself.If a coil is made from a ferromagnetic material, then it can indeed jump around "by itself" when bathed in a magnetic field, and when currents oscillate.
the magnetic field will immediately surround the wires and also be conducted throung the core if you chose to have one.If the ferromagnetic core is also a loop of conducting wire, then we can create a curious situation wherein the magnetic flux and the electric flux are in parallel within the same material. Also, the magnetization within the core material is neither linear nor instantaneous. There is a hysteresis curve with a time dependence. Folklore indicates that the TPU core vibrates and heats up, which is consistent with the notion that the wire itself is being driven mechanically. Also, the hysteresis of the material would no doubt be subjected to some sort of wacky modulation.
Any waveform is immediately present when applied, there is no delay, no rotation.There is delay. The maximum speed of electromagnetic interaction is the speed of light in vacuum, and is slower inside any dielectric. When pulsing long lengths of wire with voltage, the speed of light within the material is significant. The material properties of the wire (magnetization, velocity) are dynamic, not static.
It doesn't matter what you try. It will be static as long as the wiring is static.
@Ergo
Here is an excerpt from wikipedia relating to rotating magnetic fields:
"A rotating magnetic field can be constructed using two orthogonal coils with 90 degrees phase difference in their AC currents. However, in practice such a system would be supplied through a three-wire arrangement with unequal currents. This inequality would cause serious problems in standardization of the conductor size and so, in order to overcome it, three-phase systems are used where the three currents are equal in magnitude and have 120 degrees phase difference. Three similar coils having mutual geometrical angles of 120 degrees will create the rotating magnetic field in this case. The ability of the three-phase system to create a rotating field, utilized in electric motors, is one of the main reasons why three-phase systems dominate the world's electrical power supply systems."
When the coils in an electric motor are pulsed in a certain sequence, a rotating magnetic field is created. The TPU has control coils that are arranged in a similar fashion to that of an electric motor. When these control coils are pulsed in the right order, a rotating magnetic field is generated.
You may argue that the coils are being rotated, but there are electric motors where the coils are stationary (static) and the permanent magnets are on the rotor. The magnets cause the rotor to turn as they follow the rotating magnetic field generated by the coils. Your statement about rotating magnetic fields in a static coil just proves how ignorant you are. You should do more research before you post your opinions as facts.
Drossen
@ergo said:QuoteIt doesn't move. It couldn't move unless you could make the wiring jump around by itself.If a coil is made from a ferromagnetic material, then it can indeed jump around "by itself" when bathed in a magnetic field, and when currents oscillate.Quotethe magnetic field will immediately surround the wires and also be conducted throung the core if you chose to have one.If the ferromagnetic core is also a loop of conducting wire, then we can create a curious situation wherein the magnetic flux and the electric flux are in parallel within the same material. Also, the magnetization within the core material is neither linear nor instantaneous. There is a hysteresis curve with a time dependence. Folklore indicates that the TPU core vibrates and heats up, which is consistent with the notion that the wire itself is being driven mechanically. Also, the hysteresis of the material would no doubt be subjected to some sort of wacky modulation.QuoteAny waveform is immediately present when applied, there is no delay, no rotation.There is delay. The maximum speed of electromagnetic interaction is the speed of light in vacuum, and is slower inside any dielectric. When pulsing long lengths of wire with voltage, the speed of light within the material is significant. The material properties of the wire (magnetization, velocity) are dynamic, not static.
It doesn't matter what you try. It will be static as long as the wiring is static.
Ergo: I appreciate your thoughts since you appear to be highly educated in conventional EM theory. . . but I feel like you are ignoring certain experimental facts, as well as the implications of quantum electrodynamics (broken symmetry, assymetrical reguaging, etc). There are have been many replications of Bedini motors with overunity using a two battery system.
Here is your reference :
As stated, strong gradients are an area already known and recognized to violate the second law of thermodynamics, and not much is known about them, either theoretically or experimentally. For confirmation, see Dilip Kondepudi and Illya Prigogine, Modern Thermodynamics: From Heat Engines to Dissipative Structures, Wiley, Revised and Corrected, 1999, p. 459.
In recent years, some physicists have conducted experiments in which faster-than-light (FTL) speeds were measured. On the other hand, Einstein's theory of special relativity gives light speed as the absolute speed limit for matter and information! If information is transmitted faster, then a host of strange effects can be produced, e.g. for some observers it looks like the information was received even before it was sent (how this comes about should be described in elementary literature on special relativity). This violation of causality is very worrysome, and thus special relativity's demand that neither matter nor information should move faster than light is a pretty fundamental one, not at all comparable to the objections some physicists had about faster-than-sound travel in the first half of this century.
So, has special relativity been disproved, now that FTL speeds have been measured? The first problem with this naive conclusion is that, while in special relativity neither information nor energy are allowed to be transmitted faster than light, but that certain velocities in connection with the phenomena of wave transmission may well excede light speed. For instance, the phase velocity of a wave or the group velocity of a wave packet are not in principle restricted below light speed.
Nothing you said made any sense....
Be advised that Marco has said he cannot achieve certain TPU effects using digital oscillators. He has recommended using tube-based Colpitts oscillators. I am hoping we can 'scan' using digital equipment even if the actual power oscillators must be constructed using tubes. This may simplify finding the right component and frequency values in a tube colpitts oscillator. Or maybe we will get lucky and a digital waveform will produce interesting effects.
I'm a 60hz tech so what do I know?
I'm a 60hz tech so what do I know?
That is quite alright sparks. Your still learning just like the majority of us. ;D
Could a physical displacement of a conductor, in a vibrational sense, allow for this phase displacement for setting up for the 7.3 beat.
The materials used and the structural shape of the TPUs have been curious to me. It's almost another way for him to tune his coil(s) if we throw in physical vibration.
So not only do we need to consider the L and C configurations but we have to consider tension on the coils if we were to include displacement of the wire. It seems to me that the construction of (the non-open ones at least) the TPUs allowed for the conductor coils to dimensionally vibrate and he could adjust this.
Please continue sparks. Thanks for good insights.
Take care.
nap
@slapper
Another insight. :) AC motors on vfd drives sing. Years ago I investigated this and thought that it was vibration from the external parts of the motor like the connection box or fan shroud. What was happening was that the whole motor was vibrating at the carrier freq. The shaft could be barely turning and the motor was just singing away. The carrier freq was 4khz with a 0-60hz modulation on top of it. I thought at the time how much power it would take for me to get 70-100 lbs of mass vibrating at 4khz and what an inefficient system this whole circuit really was.
Hello all,
@Paul
500kHz is a low frequeny (I tried this). We need a higher frequency. In the low MHz range.
Otto
Dear sirs, Giantkiller and Otto, would share a MHz range working diagram with me?
@Spider
I only have paint to work with also.
Hello all,
@Bill
welcome on board here.
You need 3 oscillators, a scope, a lot of wires ......lot of time.....a mind that is open for new knowledge....
As said, welcome.
Otto
PS: we are here to help and share our results
"I made more electricity with steel than I ever made with copper."
Edward Leedskalnin, creator of Coral Castle.
I did his steel experiment and I win.
--giantkiller.
When I look at Stevens smallest devices, there can't be much electronics in there. I think he used the simplest version to get high voltage. BackEMF from low inductance coils. Thats the key...
A.
Low Inductance = low 'BackEMF'.
If he was going for 'BackEMF' I would think all units would have weighed a great deal because of huge amounts of wire and heavy cores.
None appear to weight much at all.
low inductance and a choke will return tonnes when run fast....
from an aa battery you can draw 26 amps at .5 volts :o with almost a dead short .... hummmmm
and impose the returning kick to the source for output 8) so you have 26 amps plus the imposed hv spikes lol not 120v at many amp ;)
no way it will work like that eh?
ist!
Low Inductance = low 'BackEMF'.
If he was going for 'BackEMF' I would think all units would have weighed a great deal because of huge amounts of wire and heavy cores.
None appear to weight much at all.
Wrong. It depends on the switching speed. The faster you switch the higher the voltage. It works with low inductance coils. You have to switch in nanoseconds.
A.
'BEMF' is one step back after a single step forward. I seriously doubt a TPU uses 'BEMF' for anything as there is no gain unless you move in one direction only.
I havent said that the TPU effect, where the energy comes from, is the BackEMF. I have said that Steven used this method to generate high voltage, nothing more. And it is possible with low inductance coils, i have 500V with low inductance and IRF840 and you know the IRF840 is not the fastest one.
Please read before writing.
A.
I'm pretty darn sure that SM charged caps - not inductors - but you are the expert... :o
Sorry Antimon.
I did write before understanding. I pursued BEMF as a source of extra power for to many years. I've even managed to create some very damaging and confusing effects from it. I finally decided the most pronounced effects are either destructive or illusion.
This BEMF term is flouted constantly in OU communities as some form of magic (for the ones that don't understand what it is). After about 30 or 40 cycles of 'new' ideas using BEMF my skin grew very thin. I'll refrain from responding to such claims in the future.
Used to produce high voltage? That idea is reasonable even with an 840.
No large caps in the small TPUs - agreed. Why? Because with the right coil design you can have massive amounts of capacitance in the coil alone. Yes, even with low turn counts.
Right now I design to totally eliminate BEMF without simply shorting it. In my mind when BEMF is there then the speed I want is not.
I have a suggestion for all you TPU builders out there. Why don't you sprinkle several gallons of gasoline around your house and light a match? If you want to kill yourself this would be a quicker and more conveniant way of doing so.
Feedomfuel my friend,
I have no doubt in my mind that Steven's devices are real, but I think your over exuberance to persuade the heard in another direction is highly unjustified.
.99
I believe that too, but not in the small ones :)
A.
We must have some of the same friends.
FreedomFuel:
I am still at a loss as to why you let this spook you away from it. If handled
with standard protocols for research with safety in mind, it is not that bad. Would
you care to elaborate?
@
Where in the World do you get so much BS at once??
Hi All,
Jasons too excited it's late, 5 in the morning and what weve witnessed is amazing.
There were 7 of us conferenced call tonight, This was including Roberto, who worked very closely with Otto.
This is not a joke , The power is real.
The globe you'll see light up bright when we mixed 2 frequencies only, we saw power supply voltage go back into the power supply, in other words the power supply was reading 44volts now and the current draw fell down to 300mA's, The globe is a 110volt, 40 watt globe.
Im too ecstatic myself, seeing this thing work, just no words to describe it.
Jason will be posting soon.
I've attached Picture of Jasons TPU, there's not much in the construction as you can see.
kind Rgds,
Dom
Edit from admin: the PDF file documentation of Otto?s and Roberto?s TPU-ECD experiments
can be found here:
http://www.overunity.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=2383.0;attach=9524
Here's a short movie done by Jason and 2 pics of the TPU:-
It don't?
I followed the instructions verbatim. After hearing Otto blowing himself up and the pulse of energy that hit Jason in the chest I'd be a fool to turn mine on. I did somewhat but avoided the settings for the event. Already been there done that. I am dangerous enough as it is with my own devices. ;D
--giantkiller.
Hello all,
here is the Sweet paper: http://www.magnetism.fateback.com/Sweet.htm
Otto
Hello all,
here is the Sweet paper: http://www.magnetism.fateback.com/Sweet.htm
Otto
Sorry, we couldn't find www.magnetism.fateback.com
Having studied this subject for three years I have concluded that everything that was said to Steven at the FBI interview is true, although probably exaggerated. At least I hope so! If that is so then clearly the authorities are justified in demanding that he shut up about the device and cease putting info about it on the internet using his proxy Lindsay. There are many fanciful theories about the source of the energy received by this device, but once you understand what is really involved in free energy technology it becomes clear that this is something frault with danger. I see it as similar to nuclear fission in that an explosive process is slowed down and controlled. I call it controlled lightning. It does not take much imagination to understand what could happen when you get uncontrolled lightning. If you carefully read the SM letters you will see that he does allude to this phenomenon as a possible safety issue, but he makes it sound like a trivial matter. It is not. The phenomenon is not really lightning but something more powerful. This phenomenon has been the cause of fatal accidents among free energy researchers recently and there were a series of fatal accidents in government labs in the 1940s and 1950s which led them to introduce special safety measures. There was one incident a long time ago which not only led to fatalities but made it necessary to call the fire brigade. Any reasonable person would conclude that if a technology has the potential to be harmful to people and property then only qualified people should be allowed to work with it. Think about it. Would you permit an unqualified person to service your gas central heating boiler? At the moment the only people qualified to work with the TPU and other free energy devices work for the government in military research institues, but since the technology is so simple it is difficult to prevent unqaulified people from meddling with it. Hence the secrecy.
People on this forum always reply that they are intrepid explorers who care not for their own safety in the pursuit of something that could change the world. However, death or injury they may suffer is a pointless sacrifice since it should be obvious from SM's FBI interview that this device cannot be manufactured for sale to the public at the present time.[/] Any claims that there are national security issues with this device that demand that it be kept secret are dismissed as a pretext to prevent it being brought to the market and competing with nuclear and fossil fuel power generation. Surely if you can accidentaly harm your self wih something then the possibility exists to deliberately harm other with it. In fact the atomic energy commissioner was not exagerating when he said that you can make a crater in the ground with device. I have seen evidence from a reliable source that suggests that this is, indeed, possible with this and other devices. Here is a quote from someone who claims to work for Lockhed Martin that you may like to consider.
'Hezbullah has been trying to develop anti-gravity and free-energy for decades coming very close 3-4 times only to have their top scientists and researchers go missing..
It's not that lockheed or the governments are greedy, they are, don't get me wrong, but if you think that it is because of greed than how can you argue a point of not releasing this technology?
Wouldn't lockheed martin's quarterly earnings go up by 500%-1500% with the release of free energy? Our shareholders will be very much pleased with a 500% jump in quarterly earnings!
Hi All,
Jasons too excited it's late, 5 in the morning and what weve witnessed is amazing.
There were 7 of us conferenced call tonight, This was including Roberto, who worked very closely with Otto.
This is not a joke , The power is real.
The globe you'll see light up bright when we mixed 2 frequencies only, we saw power supply voltage go back into the power supply, in other words the power supply was reading 44volts now and the current draw fell down to 300mA's, The globe is a 110volt, 40 watt globe.
Im too ecstatic myself, seeing this thing work, just no words to describe it.
Jason will be posting soon.
I've attached Picture of Jasons TPU, there's not much in the construction as you can see.
kind Rgds,
Dom
Edit from admin: the PDF file documentation of Otto?s and Roberto?s TPU-ECD experiments
can be found here:
http://www.overunity.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=2383.0;attach=9524
Here's a short movie done by Jason and 2 pics of the TPU:-
Is the TPU more dangerous than homemade fusion devices? Perhaps you should frequent the Fusor forum and disuade them from their research:
A TPU has nothing to do with a Tesla coil.
The TPU and Tesla's Magnifying Transformer have common principles.
Hello all,
@otits
sorry to say but youre wrong.
A TPU has nothing to do with a Tesla coil.
With a TPU we are tapping into the "sea of energy that is all around us".
Read Morays papers, Teslas papers.....
Its only the therm they used: radiant energy, aether (energy), ...........its all the same.
This IS the main reason Im working on TPUs.
Otto
Shockwave transmitter :)
--giantkiller.
very very cool, does it do anything? if so would you be kind enough to draw up some quick plans , schematic , parts used etc?
thanks
That is an ECD right from the Ronotte's & Otto's pdf by specification.
Mucho grazias GK and wattsup ;D
An old AM " analogue" radio set to mid band on a noise free position surely makes some interesting noises as well when we try to spin these rings.
Many people have worked hard to pulse them with square waves and multiple harmonics from the source rather than heed the guidance that distortion is of no use.
This is NOT a digital device
PN junctions just shut down when we need them most, according to the inventor.
The fields DO NEED TO SPIN! "Revolving fields" "inertia"
An old AM " analogue" radio set to mid band on a noise free position surely makes some interesting noises as well when we try to spin these rings.
Many people have worked hard to pulse them with square waves and multiple harmonics from the source rather than heed the guidance that distortion is of no use.
This is NOT a digital device
PN junctions just shut down when we need them most, according to the inventor.
The fields DO NEED TO SPIN! "Revolving fields" "inertia"
SM was poor in his description of his coil config.
Actually he was quite clear in that....
Why do you say he was poor in description?
He practically wrote a 86 paged book about his device...
I can't help people who only read half of it.
But don't go saying he was poor in description because he was not.
Marco.
I always start with tubes.
I wish people could use vacuum tubes.
Remember i told you that it was easer to experiment with tubes.
However if you NEED exact frequency then use tubes.
It should be a lot easer to use tubes.
Using tubes to control the unit is easer at first TUBES are NOT as sensitive as SS control devices and DO NOT require the massive amounts of feed back to operate.
There is an advantage in tubes just from that standpoint alone
It was much easer to make one of these things work if you use tubes as a control system
Use tubes from the beginning and then try to switch to SS for the control unit.
I have said, there is a difference between solid state control devices and tube based control.
I believe it has something to do with the fact that solid state devices in of themselves are so very dirty and also that they require such a large amount of feedback to operate.
Tube control systems are stable in themselves!
I am sure this will be helpful to anyone who has not been able to understand why using tubes to control the unit is easer at first then trying to use solid state devices in the beginning of research.
NONE of us could think of a reason why SS devices would not work. After all they did the same things as tubes, just better, didn't they?
The reason it took soooooo long to make a successful SS control unit is because we maintained that attitude for so long. Finally we came to the conclusion that there must be SOMETHING that tube control devices did differently then SS devices.
That would depend on how you define core.
If you mean copper collectors,then yes i use a core...
But if you are talking about a ferromagnetic core or a core like in transformers then no.
Why?
Because IT DISTURBS THE EARTHS MAGNETIC FIELD.
Any piece of ferromagnetic metal will alter the field,that is why the units stop when you bring iron close.
Also if it is running UHF or even 245Khz like Steven talked about....which core can handle that Otto?
Don't you know aircore is the prefered methode in high frequency applications?
Steven NEVER mentioned the word CORE in his writings, NEVER so WHY are you talking continously about it Otto??
He did mention TUBES many,MANY times...who is using them?? Besides me??
Why does nobody seem to understand it is a very small road to sucess.
You have to examine the signs and information carefully.
That means there is no room for going off road and do things in a diffrent way....
Marco.
SM used a negative plasma as a core intentionally or not. Then there seems to be introduced some phased compression of the magnetic field within the copper mass which takes on the form of a coil.could it be a lot easier than that?could it be like cyclically compressing the flux that surround the conductive core(copper or not)?
If we replace a choke coils core with a copper core what happens when we hit the copper core choke with various pulses at various duty cycles. Normally setting and resetting the magnetic domains of the core material converts the hf spikes (kicks?) to heat as the core goes into hysterics. But with a copper core something else must happen.
@mac
i mean just that ;compress the field that surround a conductive core.
squeeze the water hose.
the whole thing has tremendous emp capabilities - that's why the secrecy.
Hello, guys!why not just use multi stranded(litz-) wire where each strand is insulated?
I've already read a lot of this thread (but not all). Sorry, if this idea already was here? or maybe I've got somthing wrong. I just really want to help you.
I assume that TPU is heating very much, and particulary thick copper wires are being heated.
What if we use not a thick copper wire, but a copper tube with a clean (distilled or not - it is for you to decide) water which is being pumped thru the tube by a small water pump (which is frequently used in small fountains). This tube will be connected with a reservoir with a cold water. This may be, for instance, a central hot-water heating system of your house (if it is a privat house).
Besides that might be possible to use water as an electricity conductor (in this case it shouldn't be distilled) instead of (or together with !) copper conductor you are using now. Remember solder wire from the PDF file - it's negative property is low melting temperature - it's difficult to use it. Water is already a liquid, conducting electricity!
Take into consideration that water is a substance that has very high thermal/heat capacity.
If wated can be used instead of copper, tube can be plastic.
Also it's possible to use any other coolant (like coolant in cars) but I know nothing about their electro-conducting properties.
Thank you for your efforts, I will try to help you as much as I can.
why not just use multi stranded(litz-) wire where each strand is insulated?Because in this case anyway a lot of heat will be produced and not being removed from the wire
Because in this case anyway a lot of heat will be produced and not being removed from the wireanyway we're diverging from the real problem here and that would be how to make that thing hot in the first place. give me a working unit, i'll handle the heat somehow
anyway we're diverging from the real problem here and that would be how to make that thing hot in the first place. give me a working unit, i'll handle the heat somehow
An induction cooker uses a type of induction heating for cooking. A coil of copper wire is placed underneath the cooking pot. An oscillating current is applied to this coil, which produces an oscillating magnetic field. This magnetic field creates heat in two different ways. It induces a current in an electrically conductive pot, which produces Joule (I2R) heat. It also creates magnetic hysteresis losses in a ferromagnetic pot. The former effect dominates; hysteresis losses typically account for less than ten percent of the total heat generated.[1]
It would be possible to build an induction cooker that worked with any conductive pot (for example, an aluminum or copper pot), whether or not the pot was ferromagnetic. But the increased permeability of an iron or steel pot makes the system more practical, by increasing the inductance seen at the drive coil and by decreasing the skin depth of the current in the pot, which increases the AC resistance for the I2R heating. [2] Most practical induction cookers are designed for ferromagnetic pots; consumers are generally advised that the cooker will work only with pots that will stick to a magnet. It would not be possible to build an induction cooker that worked with an electrically insulating (for example, glass or ceramic) pot under any conditions.
More like squeezing a hoola hoop. With the phasing of the squeeze at different points around the hoop we start to get like a moving magnetic field compression within the core.
could it be a lot easier than that?could it be like cyclically compressing the flux that surround the conductive core(copper or not)?
My question is :
assume you have created nice rotating magnetic field around Tesla like ring transformer, then you find a wav to create kicks
DO KICKS ROTATE WITH MAGNETIC FIELD ?
...
Doesn't current get hot?
...
Sm discovered kicks when he was feeding a couple of vacuum tube filament circuits and the reluctance of the transformerers used was different. The two transformers fed with a common voltage scource develop a voltage between the two ouputs of the transfos due to the reactance of the transfo cores. This could be a very hf kick and since the current from transfo to transfo is still going to be used in the load at either tube the kick is for free.as far as i know some tube filaments are not straight wire but more like coils
Hi guys!
Russian researcher created free energy device using Steven Mark principles. I post his information here to spread the knowledge.
DESCRIPTION
The principle is simple. Two types of load current (inductive and capacitive) do not disturb vibration of magnetic field inside core.
Because of this you can connect any number of such pairs of coils.
I do advice you to disassemble impulse transformer, replace core by Hall detector, connect it to oscilloscope and you will start to understand reality of the happening processes.
Here is magic schema.
L1 is inductor - primary winding
L2 - is ordinary solenoid which should be loaded only together with L3L4 (bifilar coil)
It is possible to use schema of parallel load - I have chosen this schema.
Connection of bifilar is not a mistake!
With this connection bifilar produces capacitive current (light diode is not lit, but ordinary filament bulb - does).
Main point is that solenoid and bifilar provide opposite influence on power supply. I investigated this schema on frequency of 700 kilo Hertz (bifilar resonance).
Two-ray oscilloscope (on primary winding) showed that current phase was approximately 1/4 of period ahead of voltage phase (probably parasitic capacity of the coil).
When I loaded solenoid - phase difference has increased. After that I added load to bifilar - phase difference decreased (cos phi stabilized).
Therefore by choosing right regime it is possible to leave cos phi intact (same as in idle mode).
Therefore it is possible to add unlimited number of such pairs of coils to magnetic circuit - they do not influence the circuit and mutually cancel each other.
To maximize COP input circuit should operate on resonant frequency of the bifilar-solenoid circuit (serial load).
It is also possible to use capacitor tape from non-polar capacitors (in a form as is) and get inductive current from the tape. In this case this current field will be enclosed in between tape plates.
Now I am busy creating test setup for 10 watt. The principle is confirmed on practice by me.
You should wind large coils and spend substantial amount of effort on fine tuning. All materials are ordinary but coil core is ferrite. Preferably with higher frequency.
Core material does not relate to the effect but as a magnetic circuit it should correspond to required frequency.
Bifilar coil should have larger number of winds (to have larger capacitance).
Solenoid is better to wind with litz wire or with thick wire with step to ensure higher Q.
Mutual position of coils and coil winding direction are also important. In short - circuit tuning will take about a week.
To find resonant frequency of bifilar coil you should:
1) connect load as drawn on schema
2) connect primary winding to broadband generator up to 10MHz THROUGH filament bulb (do not connect bulb to circuit yet)
3) and tune generator frequency until maximum brightness of the bulb
The circuit is quite complex to tuneup so it is not suitable for young amateurs.
And remember about mutual orientation and winding direction of coils! It is very important but I cannot tell you exactly what I use - I wound my bifilar coil quite a while ago and just use it since then.
Using capacitor tape imposes additional difficulties. It will have longitudinal component of voltage. So to draw current you will need to connect "start" and "end" from different sides of the foil width.
I advice you to start assembly from bifilar coil instead of capacitor tape.
Thanks for posting this. I´ve read it twice, I like the sound of this!
When scoping the primary winding for power factor, what type of resistor did you use for a current shunt?
I am very sorry - I am just translator. I cannot answer any questions. If I see additional information from author - I will post. At the moment author is not very generous on details.
Russian researcher created free energy device using Steven Mark principles. I post his information here to spread the knowledge.
Hi guys!
Russian researcher created free energy device using Steven Mark principles. I post his information here to spread the knowledge.
Seems like we have seen this before...
After a little modification it fits right in place.
--gk.
The circuit is quite complex to tuneup so it is not suitable for young amateurs.
LOL :D ;D
"young amateurs" go outside and play..... lol
This is all crap !!!
When you see a schematic block labeled GENERATOR you already know for a fact it's crap !! Do people think that every resonant transfer of energy is now a Steven Mark invention? Give me a f*%? break, were dealing with mental midgets here!
This is partially your fault Mannix, for posting all those "letters" from SM that talk about pulsing coils.... now everybody has the idea that they need to INPUT energy into a "TPU"/core, instead of tuning to a frequency with "no mass circuitry" involved, and "just the knowledge of the coils and how they interact with each other". The videos were enough.
The mass confusion is spreading...
EM
@Mannix,
I'm not shooting the messenger, I'm shooting the message found in that Russian document, and by association all the other postings that include generators.
So Steven never said to pulse coils? I thought he told us to input 1 frequency then it's 2nd harmonic then the 3rd. You know it doesn't matter, this seems to be a playing field where everybody is bringing all sorts of things related or not, but what gets me is when people bring nonsense in the name of Steven Mark. That bothers me. It shouldn't but it does.
EM
I HATE THE DIRTY MOSFETS. Otto
That's a collection of fakes from members here ...still haunting them!
why do you think it is a fakes?
Hello all,
OK, I see there is an unofficial "MOSFET hater club".
Let us think about how to pulse a TPU with a high frequency without MOSFETs.
Otto
Let us think about how to pulse a TPU with a high frequency without MOSFETs.
Otto
Does this ring any bells, Otto?
Let us think about how to pulse a TPU with a high frequency without MOSFETs.why do you want to pulse a tpu anyway? the tpu is the pulser.
why do you want to pulse a tpu anyway? the tpu is the pulser.
look at it as it were a PFL. the tpus with additional outer winding(s) are looking damn close to a nested blumlein PFL generator with a common ground.
and btw blumlein was a "audio guy" also (the father of the stereo )
why do you want to pulse a tpu anyway? the tpu is the pulser.
look at it as it were a PFL. the tpus with additional outer winding(s) are looking damn close to a nested blumlein PFL generator with a common ground.
and btw blumlein was a "audio guy" also (the father of the stereo )
Armstrong would heve been nowhere without De Forrest audion.You've missed John Ambrose Fleming, Robert von Lieben and others.
De Forrest invented the Vacuumtube he is the father of audio.
Read up on how he modified normal filament bulbs and discoverd how he could control electron flow.
He showed it to Tesla and not long after that Tesla was driving the free energy pierce arrow.....
The TPU was discoverd with Vacuum tubes so Steven Mark and his TPU would have been nowhere aswell without Lee De Forrest.
However, for the father of television it would be Philco Farnsworth.
So tell me how does blumlein fit into this picture?
Marco.
You've missed John Ambrose Fleming, Robert von Lieben and others.
Anyway, what's your point? Are we discussing here some sort of paternity?
It was not my intent to bring up something like this.My only point was this:
look at the tpu as it were a pulse forming line by itself- and there comes Blumlein, with his nested arrangement... nothing more.
PFL's don't run with gain, so how is a PFN part of a tpu? Are you implying that there is some effect casued by a PFN that has gone unnoticed?from otto:
Triodes have another mode of operation that offers much lower rise time at much reduced amplification.
Let us think about how to pulse a TPU with a high frequency without MOSFETs.the way i proposed is just another way of pulsing
"In the case of my power unit, you create several frequencies within a space of the collectors coils circumference.so that's for me another way to do just that.creating several freqs around a collector.if this the right way i don't know. but i do know it's different and that was otto asking for, new ways ;)
Frequencies are directly related to the circumference of the collector coil."
i'm not implying that a pfn is part of the tpu but the tpu is a multiple pulse "former". sm stated the tpu work by creating multiple frequencies around the collector.actually it was
and 12AU7's were used for multivibrators
What's next? Square pulses?
Did you see the bifilar stuff in another thread? There's your pulse forming in action.
I originally got the idea from electron circuits which use vacuum rectifiers like the 5U4 GB or 5AR4 etc.
As my memory tells me, I originally used three old tube type frequency generators coupled to tube amplifiers composed of a 12BY7- input tube and a driver coupled to a 6AS7G output tube. It was using this apparatus that enabled me to first strike those magical tones.
No no no Gobaga :) not 12AU7's it was 12BY7's
At least that is what he used in the amp.
We do not know which frequency generators he used but i think any tube based generator with a good range and clean signal will do.
Here:
For the record:
12BY-7
Penthode for tv videoamplifier applications.
Heater 12,6 Volt
Plate dissipation 6.5 Watts, where 12au7= 2.75 Watts
Amplfication Factor 28.5, where 12au7= 19.5
6AS7G
High Power twin Triode
Heater 6,3 Volt
And Plate dissipation per plate 14 Watts
Hi Otto,
I want just to say, that the internal diode seems like work for us. Otto, please just do this test and check if You can get any conversion. You can use MOS FETs or Tubes but the biggest different between them is this internal diode in FET transistor. Just see how different works your TPU.
S-Q
@Dearest Tito
it seems that youre nervous because of me?
Otto
Successful TPU-ECD REPLICATION wow ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D :P
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Opb0LvX7jZY
Real??
Can anybody translate?
Spider
He is right, it is already long time ago, they show there units here on OU.com an later it comes out it was a fake.
Belief me, i am here since beginning and Mannix of course also.
fets work great .. if you know how to use them ...
Hello all,
@sn7401
I see youre a great worker.
Can you give me your email adress??
Otto
I see youre a great worker.
I would be a total idiot if if would say its bad.
Hello all,
So, as its easy to build just do it!! Build it, test it and tell us what you have.
1. maybe, just maybe to read my docu and to try it?I read your document many times. Should I say how much did it impress me? I take your ECD setup as the departing point. My goal is to show something simple which demonstrates "over unity" to my so serious scientific friends from a local university to get them involved. Till then they will keep considering me as another simple-minded who believes it's possible to create a perpetuum mobile. The Mark's videos doesn't mean anything to them. Why I do this? I respect their knowledge very much. I hope they could find the key.
2. I hope you mean to convert squares into sines? This is how "mother nature works but "mother nature" cant give you squares from sines. THIS IS IMPOSSIBLE!!!Somehow it is possible when using semiconductors. But FETs are too slow and too noisy. I haven't tried tubes yet. On the other hand I don't see anything like tubes on the Mark's videos. That's why I think there's another way.
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Guys!!! Everything works fine!!!!! After reading http://selftrans.narod.ru/v3_1/brus/brus72/brus72.html and a bit of thinking of how to put it all together you can finally get what you want. This is a schema of a working generator which needs some improvements nevertheless.
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Wait for a while!!! Everything will be recorded on video in a good quality including the building process. Sorry about the language. I don't speak english.
Tutor
DO NOT APPROACH THESE PEOPLE
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Which people are you referring to??
Chet
Speaking of translations??
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qqiYDxMsayw
Anybody?
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Chet
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Hi guys any of a good working TPU?
Thanks
What I don't understand is why any replicators are not using Steven Mark's coil method, he used 300 ohm flat double stranded antenna wire, I revealed his technique but I don't see anybody trying to duplicate it.
I think that if Steven Mark's coil really does work then it should be copied exactly as his until it is fully figured out.
Thats not a laughing face!
This is what Tito looks like.
Its his "Mug" shot
See> ;D
Scary huh?
Chet
What I don't understand is why any replicators are not using Steven Mark's coil method, he used 300 ohm flat double stranded antenna wire, I revealed his technique but I don't see anybody trying to duplicate it.
I think that if Steven Mark's coil really does work then it should be copied exactly as his until it is fully figured out.
he used 300 ohm flat double stranded antenna wire, I revealed his technique but I don't see anybody trying to duplicate it.
Otto recently said the ECD is not the way but it was a stepping stone to his present works.
Also.......................
Please show me where this is seen, said, referred to, etc.
@ramset
Here is the A of my ftp OU site.
http://purco.qc.ca/ftp/
Thanks for pointing out @Edges (for short lol) post.
I wonder why it was put in the JuleThief thread.
Really interesting idea of the antenna wire, but I do not think it is, simply because that pattern could be caused by the outer taping of the toroid. The width of the tape could be hugging inside a wire turn and give that effect, that is not visible anywhere else around the toroid.
Then you would have to ask yourself, if it is antenna wire on the LTPU, then where is it in the other tpus.
But one thing is very funny that I have just noticed on that photo. It shows the two center toroids, one in the front of the other. Now if those toroids are the exact same size and build, and given the perspective of the photo, the front toroid should be seen as bigger then the back toroid. But take a good look at them. lol
Now look at his second photo of the LTPU ring, I don't think it is made of metal or magnets. It could have an inner channel with wires going around like a tesla coil primary but this also I doubt. For me the use of that ring is totally useless as a structural requirement, but, if the platform on the inside of the LTPU was raised (to hide the starter batteries), as I have shown before, then that outer ring would help keep the illusion from being too visible.
But good work and I am glad some are still looking at the tpus and finding interesting things.
wattsup
@ramset
Here is the location of my ftp OU site.
http://purco.qc.ca/ftp/
Thanks for pointing out @Edges (for short lol) post.
I wonder why it was put in the JuleThief thread.
Really interesting idea of the antenna wire, but I do not think it is, simply because that pattern could be caused by the outer taping of the toroid. The width of the tape could be hugging inside a wire turn and give that effect, that is not visible anywhere else around the toroid.
Then you would have to ask yourself, if it is antenna wire on the LTPU, then where is it in the other tpus.
But one thing is very funny that I have just noticed on that photo. It shows the two center toroids, one in the front of the other. Now if those toroids are the exact same size and build, and given the perspective of the photo, the front toroid should be seen as bigger then the back toroid. But take a good look at them. lol
Now look at his second photo of the LTPU ring, I don't think it is made of metal or magnets. It could have an inner channel with wires going around like a tesla coil primary but this also I doubt. For me the use of that ring is totally useless as a structural requirement, but, if the platform on the inside of the LTPU was raised (to hide the starter batteries), as I have shown before, then that outer ring would help keep the illusion from being too visible.
But good work and I am glad some are still looking at the tpus and finding interesting things.
wattsup
@guruji
I suppose you have my pdf and all needed to build a ECD TPU.
It was made for grown up people that could understand what I did but as I see here are a lot of children.
Otto
there was one video in Steven Mark's History where some clients had cut his coil in half, I can't seem to find that video anymore, maybe some of you have it/quote]
Hello All,
@Qwert
Videoclip of the SM-TPU peswiki.com seems not to have the video to your @ onthecuttingedge2005. . . With a videoclip with the image of a person using the saw cut horizontally Toroidal let people see that what it contains. . .
@GK
Regarding your post of the back of the LTPU, The antenna wire your are pointing too is the same wire as the "small gauge" wire your are pointing too. It is all the same wire.
I had done an LTPU control coils turn count in the past and came up with 426 turns for the total circumference of the LTPU. Now consider these turns to be exclusive to the top ring and then the same would apply for a bottom ring so total of 852 turns at approx 1 volt per turn equals the output rating of the LTPU.
Regarding your last youtube video, nice going. I think you need to start using a center toroid core wound in bucking mode. I will be making a video soon on this. The bucking mode wind of the toroid has proven to me to be the most versatile wind method, and does two things. Provides direct coupling to any lower secondary winds and provides great electro-static potential for energizing the outer rings, all in one toroid. So you pulse the primary to energize the outer coils, but you also have an inside secondary in the toroid to catch as much of the pulse power and send it back to source. Then to put this into a Tesla Ozone pulsing scheme to get two pulses from every one pulse of the FG. I will show this soon also.
Tomorrow belongs to the dreamers.
@sparks
My post about the small toroid being identical to devices used in flights during the cold war was a comparison to betatrons not klystrons. Klystrons were used but that was during conventional electronic warfare. The items I mentioned are strictly an offensive weapon. Klystrons are just whopping powerful tubes, great for jamming. They won't kill landline commo or wipe out circuits at least not normally.
Never heard of a klystron used for receiving but it might work.
I believe the small toroid is nothing more than a small TPU used to provide the right fields to the larger portions.
Awesome!!
Has anyone tried replicating the Chauncy Britten "Atmospheric Electrical Generator" ?
http://www.rexresearch.com/feg/britten.htm
Most interested in devices which do not have any moving parts: Tesla Magnifying Transmitter, Peter Markovich's ATREE, Lester Hindershot Reciprocative Oscillating Coils, etc...
Thank you,
electric777
@ Macmep
Is that a working TPU unit ?
Sorry I'm not able to understand russian language.
sincerely
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Opb0LvX7jZY&feature=player_embedded
I'am very interested in this gadget. I want to order one with next parametres: 220 volt, 40 watt.No one knows how to build such a device yet. That's why we are here. Be aware of a scam.
I'am live in Moscow, it's so dangerous days come, so i need some help.
this one ?:@all
http://magnetism.otc.co.nz/Sweet.htm
Two things:the tpu converting the gravity into electrical energy trough the electromagnetic fields.it is similar to hendershot and hubbard.the earliest hendershot unit working only when it's put on the n/s direction(for collecting the earth electromagnetic field,like testatika ).the key is in the correct interaction from 2 frequencies! see the work of dr. hooper( it's like to hubbard-the core likewise as a single winding )....
The ring configuration is in the vein of the ECD and the scope shot shows major promise. The ringing shows up symmetrically in the on time. But the off time has a higher peak to peak and faster oscillations. This is most important! The self oscillation start is in the off time. His scope shots show the same pattern I started with. The next test is to reduce the on time or change the on time to 25%. His signals are 75%/25%. You want the off time oscillations to overlap the back end of the on time ringing. In other words 'The two sets of waves will overlap'. ;) Then you see the consecutive spikes building. We push the swing at the correct time...
The constant DC at the back end of the on time stabilizes the polarity of the electron torque. All is quiet. This stops the oscillatory function. Then the off transistion has to start up again only to lose any reverberation that might happen. The reverb or echo is necessary to start an acoustic or wave tidal imposition. This whole process uses the established wave content or standing wave as a bias or stored energy. That is the constant resource that resonance supplies.
Here is what I have seen: The coil produces intense noise in the off time. If the duty cycle is lowered the next check is to see where the off time oscillatory function stops along the off time window. If it stops short of the impending on time occurance then 2 things have to occur. Change the input frequency or the coil winding/configuration. Sm stated he 'snipped wires'. This can happen in alot of ways and do alot of things.
Now the unfortunate news:
This is the feedback process that is like a teseract in a house of mirrors. You change one parameter then go to another part of the configuration and adjust something else. It could be electrical or mechanical. That is the nature of the beast. I got to this point and the next step is to work the power output stage. In other words: Once you have established the echo you then need a target. Whoa!
Previous efforts have attempted to drive a coil to get power. This is basic transformer action and will not work. Doesn't matter if you use square, sine, or spark gaps. Just because you step on the gas doesn't mean you'll make it around the corner faster. >:(
http://amasci.com/freenrg/a-vectFE.html (http://amasci.com/freenrg/a-vectFE.html)
http://amasci.com/tesla/tesceive.html (http://amasci.com/tesla/tesceive.html)
variable length pendulum
two frequencies : internal faster and external slower
innovative way of creating and capturing radiant energy
@all
otto said in Reply #1446 that the address above was good.
Sorry I get an error page on it and http://www.magnetism.fateback.com/Sweet.htm was the same way as well.
--Lee
I found the page........ I took out the Sweet.htm in the co.nz url, and it came up with the vfedtec url.Thank you; very good. I didn't know exactly who drew the circuit. Now, I know it was Sweet's work. I downloaded another copy for my notes. Good detective work.
http://magnetism.vfedtec.com/Sweet.htm
I am thinking the same exactly. Can I ask where did you get that information?Hi Chef if you read in the rexresearch web site the articles about Hooper and Hubburd you discover the core is the same .probably for starting ALL device is need an electrical input,the reallineament of electron when the flux change capturing the earth electromagnetic field trough the help of magnet and run itself.the problem is created the correct frequencies or similar....cheers
I'm going to build a TPU Otto. I need a detailed description of the assembly. Also, I need full control scheme. Please send all on email: itmakerxxx@gmail.com
In turn, I lay out a scheme of my invention on the basis of the TPU.
Thanks in advance :)
There is alot of @ottos stuff that I have accumulated on my OU FTP site...Hi! I'm in a possession of an Otto's document which I couldn't find in your collection and I think it should be there. It's 14 pages in MS Word but I'm unable to attach it to this message because it's to large (over 300KB). Any suggestion what to do with it? E-mail?
@Qwert
Thanks for sending me this document of Otto. I transferred the word doc file to a pdf file in case some like that format better. Both are located here;
http://purco.qc.ca/ftp/Overunity.com%20-%20Forum%20members/otto/ottos-open-tpu/
All the best.
wattsup
GK, Have you seen this youtube posted yesterday?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Efvq65RVTo
Could it be this simple? Not exactly a TPU but this torroid and the person doing the vid seem to be very precise in their methods and it looks like he's getting free electricity.
wind it on torroid in opposite directions exactly the same amount of turns it should nullify then slight change of phase to generate spike but at 50Hz it is weak
the point is : why the lamp is pulsating ?
how about that ?
Hi e2matrix,I am thankful for those like yourself here who understand this so much more than I do. I think I might have tried his setup but thankfully I now believe it would not yield the results I'd like to have. Thanks!
Please see my post here as an answer to your question:
http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=9854.msg260811#msg260811
Gyula