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Offline MeggerMan

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Re: Successful TPU-ECD replication !
« Reply #45 on: June 12, 2007, 06:25:55 PM »
Hi Peter,
Excellent news.

Are you sure that if all 3 DDS chips start with same master clock after a soft reset they will stay in Sync?
I can use a different DDS chip, it does not need to be the AD9833.

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« Reply #46 on: June 12, 2007, 06:27:40 PM »
I'm eager to start winding once I see some confirmation of the initial results with RMS input current readings taken along the lines already suggested using filters and a 12V battery as the power source.  

Yes well put.

These test results so far are inconlusive.

I was going to draw up a diagram illustrating how the test setup should be to minimize interference to the instruments and meters, but there are already a few suggestions covering most of what I was going to suggest.

One or both of the meters (standalone and PSU) are giving erroneous readings. We should not be jumping to the conclusion that it is the PSU that is the one in error, nor the meter, but human nature sways us to choose the lower of the two.

Suggest the following to minimize interference to both the PSU and meters:

12VBat-->voltmeter-->currentmeter-->LCFilter(x3)-->RFshield-->DUT

This plattering noise can wreak havoc with all digital meters, and is evidently occuring here.

On the other side of the coin (choosing the higher of the two possible readings), 42V X 3.6A = 150W, so of course the bulb will glow brightly. And 30V X 3.6A = 108W, still enough for a bright bulb.

The PSU is supposed to be capable of only 30V, but with noise wreaking havoc inside the PSU, it could be getting "fooled" into putting out much more. All PSU units start with a higher voltage to allow for regulation, and 42V would not be an unreasonable amount.

Darren


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Re: Successful TPU-ECD replication !
« Reply #47 on: June 12, 2007, 06:29:18 PM »
Hi Rob:

Please count me in for a couple of your DDS boards when done. Much appreciate your role in this effort.

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Re: Successful TPU-ECD replication !
« Reply #48 on: June 12, 2007, 06:37:58 PM »
I'm eager to start winding once I see some confirmation of the initial results with RMS input current readings taken along the lines already suggested using filters and a 12V battery as the power source. 

Yes well put.

These test results so far are inconlusive.

I was going to draw up a diagram illustrating how the test setup should be to minimize interference to the instruments and meters, but there are already a few suggestions covering most of what I was going to suggest.

One or both of the meters (standalone and PSU) are giving erroneous readings. We should not be jumping to the conclusion that it is the PSU that is the one in error, nor the meter, but human nature sways us to choose the lower of the two.

Suggest the following to minimize interference to both the PSU and meters:

12VBat-->voltmeter-->currentmeter-->LCFilter(x3)-->RFshield-->DUT

This plattering noise can wreak havoc with all digital meters, and is evidently occuring here.

On the other side of the coin (choosing the higher of the two possible readings), 42V X 3.6A = 150W, so of course the bulb will glow brightly. And 30V X 3.6A = 108W, still enough for a bright bulb.

The PSU is supposed to be capable of only 30V, but with noise wreaking havoc inside the PSU, it could be getting "fooled" into putting out much more. All PSU units start with a higher voltage to allow for regulation, and 42V would not be an unreasonable amount.

Darren

I must agree with Darren.
It could be, that the meters are just getting fooled by the big RF spikes and that the
power supply put out really more.
So it was also very suspicious, that the digital ampmeter did show lower and lower
amps input but the light bulb stayed at the same brightness..

Hmm... Maybe just the batteries on this digital ampmeter were almost empty ?
Then these things also happen as I have experienced my self often when the
battery of the DVM is nearly empty...

As Jason seems not to have used any blocking caps and chokes as lowpassfilters
directly at the power supply, the current could have really been this big.
So my advice, never use digital meters with pulse measurements and only use
analog meters to measure the average input current and always use LC lowpassfilters before going into the circuit
and only measure the input infront of these LC lowpassfilters.

Regards, Stefan.


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Re: Successful TPU-ECD replication !
« Reply #49 on: June 12, 2007, 06:44:18 PM »
I'm eager to start winding once I see some confirmation of the initial results with RMS input current readings taken along the lines already suggested using filters and a 12V battery as the power source. 

Yes well put.

These test results so far are inconlusive.

I was going to draw up a diagram illustrating how the test setup should be to minimize interference to the instruments and meters, but there are already a few suggestions covering most of what I was going to suggest.

One or both of the meters (standalone and PSU) are giving erroneous readings. We should not be jumping to the conclusion that it is the PSU that is the one in error, nor the meter, but human nature sways us to choose the lower of the two.

Suggest the following to minimize interference to both the PSU and meters:

12VBat-->voltmeter-->currentmeter-->LCFilter(x3)-->RFshield-->DUT

This plattering noise can wreak havoc with all digital meters, and is evidently occuring here.

On the other side of the coin (choosing the higher of the two possible readings), 42V X 3.6A = 150W, so of course the bulb will glow brightly. And 30V X 3.6A = 108W, still enough for a bright bulb.

The PSU is supposed to be capable of only 30V, but with noise wreaking havoc inside the PSU, it could be getting "fooled" into putting out much more. All PSU units start with a higher voltage to allow for regulation, and 42V would not be an unreasonable amount.

Darren

I must agree with Darren.
It could be, that the meters are just getting fooled by the big RF spikes and that the
power supply put out really more.
So it was also very suspicious, that the digital ampmeter did show lower and lower
amps input but the light bulb stayed at the same brightness..

Hmm... Maybe just the batteries on this digital ampmeter were almost empty ?
Then these things also happen as I have experienced my self often when the
battery of the DVM is nearly empty...

As Jason seems not to have used any blocking caps and chokes as lowpassfilters
directly at the power supply, the current could have really been this big.
So my advice, never use digital meters with pulse measurements and only use
analog meters to measure the average input current and always use LC lowpassfilters before going into the circuit
and only measure the input infront of these LC lowpassfilters.

Regards, Stefan.

Sure could be...

Or it could be that it's doing what's been claimed from the beginning.

Your guy's tests should confirm or refute this however.

Anxious to see your results guys!!!

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Re: Successful TPU-ECD replication !
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Re: Successful TPU-ECD replication !
« Reply #50 on: June 12, 2007, 06:46:12 PM »
Folks
I was there, I was the dude trying to calculate watts. This looks real promising, however because Jason and Otto , not to sure about Otto?s tests, but Jason is using a power supply connected to mains and like some of you have mentioned it the RF could be affecting the power supply. The last calculation based on the power source meter showed about 143 watts, this does not make sense. To prove the fact a battery needs to be used as supply. If  the unit is gathering radiant energy supplying back to the battery would prove useless, remember SM used a converter to run the TV etc. A true test would be to use a battery and replace the light with a resistor, calculate the wattage draw at peak performance and the wattage output at the resistor. A battery will be more forgiving of reversing polarity and the battery can be scoped on ac to see if there is charge back. Of course I am building one. As always I don?t just sit here and post I prefer to do the work and help others. Keep it open source and free. Keep greedy capitalist out.      

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Re: Successful TPU-ECD replication !
« Reply #51 on: June 12, 2007, 06:57:25 PM »
Hi Peter,
Excellent news.

Are you sure that if all 3 DDS chips start with same master clock after a soft reset they will stay in Sync?
I can use a different DDS chip, it does not need to be the AD9833.

Regards
Rob
I have built triple DDS generator with AD9834 and used RESET pin to synchronize them. I'm quite sure that Analog Device's documentation states stopping the clock as a way of synchronizing the multiple chips.
Here's the schematic of my DDS generator I built in January. I'm controlling them with AT91SAM7 board.

Initially I used PC program to program DDS via ARM7 board. I'm currently building a separate keypad and LCD display to for attaching to ARM7 board to have it self contained and independent of a PC.

Peter

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Re: Successful TPU-ECD replication !
« Reply #52 on: June 12, 2007, 07:15:56 PM »
Folks
I was there, I was the dude trying to calculate watts. This looks real promising, however because Jason and Otto , not to sure about Otto?s tests, but Jason is using a power supply connected to mains and like some of you have mentioned it the RF could be affecting the power supply. The last calculation based on the power source meter showed about 143 watts, this does not make sense. To prove the fact a battery needs to be used as supply. If  the unit is gathering radiant energy supplying back to the battery would prove useless, remember SM used a converter to run the TV etc. A true test would be to use a battery and replace the light with a resistor, calculate the wattage draw at peak performance and the wattage output at the resistor. A battery will be more forgiving of reversing polarity and the battery can be scoped on ac to see if there is charge back. Of course I am building one. As always I don?t just sit here and post I prefer to do the work and help others. Keep it open source and free. Keep greedy capitalist out.      



I very much agree. I've been working for a couple of years with Bedini technology and have witnessed all the effects being described. I've had 12v / 50W lamps blow on what appeared to be low bench readings. I've had more than one bench PSU destroyed and in consequence I no longer use these when experimenting with Bedini Energisers. I would therefore urge all those currently testing TPU's to pay special attention to what has been suggested in the way of properly checking current and voltage levels. My bench supplies failed  to regulate because of the HV spiking and delivered their full power to my energiser. You should have seen the brightness of my lamps! Take another look at the video and notice how the LED / LCD meter readings are wildly fluctuating. 

Like all of us I'm aching for a breakthrough but what I'm reading so far seems to be very familiar to me.

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« Reply #53 on: June 12, 2007, 07:57:00 PM »
You can ramble on about this and that, but it doesn't change the hard, card facts.
The mentioned video was made by someone, who in my opinion has no brain and did not make it through kindergarten.  You obviously have no clue about what constitutes power or you would not have mentioned this video.  Don't lecture me about letting old ideas go, I was researching FE and thinking outside the box probably before you were even born.  Being infinitely stupid has nothing to do with furthering research into the unknown.  Sorry to be so frank, but just because any idiot can post a YouTube video with the phrase "Free Energy" and I get upset does not mean that I think the world is flat.

With my experience I have the obligation to speak up when a novice attempts to turn the group down a road that is hopeless.  Before you make any reply, watch the video again, write down the results, and calculate the power levels involved, including instrument accuracy and allowance of noise levels.

SM's TPU doesn't need a magnet to operate; he only uses it to eliminate an internal battery.

Regards, Earl

Earl,

Go look at the SM video's of the TPU. SM started them by placing magnets on his device. Our goal is to replicate SM's deivice, self contained, free-running with no harmful RF emissions and no need for shields.

For this research to progress, you may have to let go of your old ideas taught to you by the orthodox high priests of electromagnetic dogma. The world is not flat and the sun does not orbit the earth.

Just pay attention to the SM videos and think about what could possibly be the reason why a magnet placed on the unit by SM would make it start?

I take no offense at your cries about "stupidity". This research fundamentally demands a questioning attitude of all our postulates and theorems about electromagnetic phenomena.

The orthodox have always cried heresy against pioneers and their new ideas that forced paradigm change.

Robby

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« Reply #54 on: June 12, 2007, 08:09:08 PM »
Finally..... 8)

This is just awesome.
If i understood correctly the vertical space between the two 4'and 6' coils is not really nessisairy?

otherwise i will have to adjust my diagram.

Thanks guy's awesome job.
Marco

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Re: Successful TPU-ECD replication !
« Reply #55 on: June 12, 2007, 08:15:59 PM »
@marco

I think the man said it was 44mm? Jason's first pic has a cardboard structure which showed the two rings are separated by about that distance for maximum coupling effects? I don't know for sure not having started any replication work.

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Re: Successful TPU-ECD replication !
« Reply #56 on: June 12, 2007, 08:25:13 PM »
Hello Robby & Earl,

refer to my pose at http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,2084.60.html

I did this super Cap. experiment, result is mini-Volt could be read. It is because the digital Volt meter has a very little bias current to be charged up to the Cap. Therefore the magic power source is your (digital Volt meter). If use the high impedance good  needle volt meter that does not included electronics will not have the effect. The magnet  is unnecessary, it is only a tool in the magic show.


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Re: Successful TPU-ECD replication !
« Reply #57 on: June 12, 2007, 08:30:31 PM »
For all of you working so hard, I just want to say

Congratulations!




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Re: Successful TPU-ECD replication !
« Reply #58 on: June 12, 2007, 08:39:34 PM »
Finally..... 8)

This is just awesome.
If i understood correctly the vertical space between the two 4'and 6' coils is not really nessisairy?

otherwise i will have to adjust my diagram.

Thanks guy's awesome job.
Marco


Marco,

I know Otto said the output power is higher when the vertical space is there. So I guess it is best to have it raised....

Robert


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Re: Successful TPU-ECD replication !
« Reply #59 on: June 12, 2007, 08:42:19 PM »
dom can you post the first vid to google with your account? and link back?

Thanks.
Rich

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