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Author Topic: Bruce's TPU Theory and Experiments ver.1.2  (Read 1105923 times)

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Re: Bruce's TPU Theory and Experiments ver.1.2
« Reply #2190 on: January 01, 2018, 11:00:33 PM »
Bruce, like I said I'm still waiting for parts, but until I get everything that I need I made setup to see the effects. I need a battery and coils.
Let me know what do you think.
Thanks
https://youtu.be/daJtsV9_Yt4


Hi Ari,


Look at the data sheet for your pnp you have and look at the rise and fall times.  Now compare that to the rise and fall times of the pnp that I recommend and tell me what you think?


Rise and fall times definitely matter to see more electrons freed from the wire.


Can you not get the one I suggest?


Other than that, the battery pack looks good.


Cheers,


Bruce


Oh... And remember your quick blow fuses to protect your signal Gen!

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Re: Bruce's TPU Theory and Experiments ver.1.2
« Reply #2190 on: January 01, 2018, 11:00:33 PM »

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Re: Bruce's TPU Theory and Experiments ver.1.2
« Reply #2191 on: January 02, 2018, 02:37:29 AM »

Hi Ari,


Look at the data sheet for your pnp you have and look at the rise and fall times.  Now compare that to the rise and fall times of the pnp that I recommend and tell me what you think?


Rise and fall times definitely matter to see more electrons freed from the wire.


Can you not get the one I suggest?


Other than that, the battery pack looks good.


Cheers,


Bruce


Oh... And remember your quick blow fuses to protect your signal Gen!


After I posted the video I checked the mail box and got the transistors. Definitely I need to get the fuses. I already burned some transistors that I received. I need to get some more... next weekend I will play a little bit more. Thanks for the tips.

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Re: Bruce's TPU Theory and Experiments ver.1.2
« Reply #2192 on: January 02, 2018, 10:57:16 AM »

After I posted the video I checked the mail box and got the transistors. Definitely I need to get the fuses. I already burned some transistors that I received. I need to get some more... next weekend I will play a little bit more. Thanks for the tips.

Ari,

Your TIP36C devices are bipolar transistors, not mosfets as called for on Bruce's schematic.

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Re: Bruce's TPU Theory and Experiments ver.1.2
« Reply #2193 on: January 02, 2018, 12:21:48 PM »
Bruce


In most cases, free air electrons drift at
V = 400-600m/s, per 4500v gradient per cm
variant by such factors as humidity and barometric pressure
and an unknown localized factor that has not been identified.
(rough estimate with minimal data)




If you want to increase or decrease the frequency
Multiply or divide by 4.
(allow for slight adjustments based on a proportionality
   between wavelength and wire thickness, in general
   if wire is less than half a wavelength, the adjustment
   is minimal)










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Re: Bruce's TPU Theory and Experiments ver.1.2
« Reply #2194 on: January 02, 2018, 01:33:48 PM »
Ari,

Your TIP36C devices are bipolar transistors, not mosfets as called for on Bruce's schematic.


Those ones were just for test. I received the right ones but I burned best part of those. I’m waiting some others, as the diodes and the signal generator 

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Re: Bruce's TPU Theory and Experiments ver.1.2
« Reply #2194 on: January 02, 2018, 01:33:48 PM »
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Re: Bruce's TPU Theory and Experiments ver.1.2
« Reply #2195 on: January 02, 2018, 02:14:11 PM »

Those ones were just for test. I received the right ones but I burned best part of those. I’m waiting some others, as the diodes and the signal generator


Check your voltages across the pnp transistor
as the relationship between V and Power will
govern your operating temperature. this is best done
from the input side, as the power across the c-b junction
is a temperature gradient scale. Higher heat means less c-b power
throughput, as you reach burn-out temps, the gate is wide open.
and is no longer controlled by the base current.
excess power from c-e is dissipated as heat, ultimately
destroying your transistor.


When using npn, it is the current you want to really watch.
They can handle a larger range of voltages, but increased
current causes the same situation as above.


they are both subjectable to EM so a shield is recommended
between transistors and any closely situated inductors.
(except when this effect is desirable)




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Re: Bruce's TPU Theory and Experiments ver.1.2
« Reply #2196 on: January 03, 2018, 05:23:21 PM »

Hi Hoppy,


Trust me when I tell you that they are caused by electrons loose from the wire.. Lol


This is a 'starter" circuit for you guys.  I can collect the electrons from the air with no electrical or magnetic connection, if I choose... Lol


So I would encourage you give it a go and see what you see.


Also it IS frequency dependant.  Go up in frequency except for one other frequency I found and power generated drops.  Go down and it drops.


Haven't figured that reason out yet but would like to.  I need a longer wavelength.


Does anyone know how fast an electron off of the wire moves?  Facinating stuff... Lol


Oh.... And the electrons can be tasted... Kind of a metallic taste. 


Imagine if I had a significant gen that put out hv square wave??  Wow could I speed up the magnets!


Cheers,


Bruce

Bruce,

How did you determine that there was no current in the 'wire' and what instrumentation did you use?

Please provide more details on the 'wire'. Your schematic visually suggests that the 'wire' is formed into a coil with a number of turns. What is its measured inductance and physical characteristics please?

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Re: Bruce's TPU Theory and Experiments ver.1.2
« Reply #2196 on: January 03, 2018, 05:23:21 PM »
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Re: Bruce's TPU Theory and Experiments ver.1.2
« Reply #2197 on: January 04, 2018, 04:26:47 AM »
Bruce,

How did you determine that there was no current in the 'wire' and what instrumentation did you use?

Please provide more details on the 'wire'. Your schematic visually suggests that the 'wire' is formed into a coil with a number of turns. What is its measured inductance and physical characteristics please?


Hi Hoppy,


Use any size wire you'd like to... Lol


I use a combination.  Experiment with different lengths.  Some work better than others.


You call yourselves experimenters...
Experiment... Lol


I've given all I am going to give and gave y'all a thousand times more than anyone ever gave me.


Current?  Bwahahaha


Have you ever compared the magnetic field strength of loose from the wire electrons compared to the magnetic field of current?  Trust me when I say no comparison... Lol


Try and see or wait for someone else to is all I can say.  ;)


Cheers,


Bruce

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Re: Bruce's TPU Theory and Experiments ver.1.2
« Reply #2198 on: January 04, 2018, 10:07:19 AM »
OK Bruce, thanks for your reply from which I'll take it that you did not use any instrumentation to determine if there is current in the wire and just assumed that there is not because the wire is open circuit.

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Re: Bruce's TPU Theory and Experiments ver.1.2
« Reply #2199 on: January 04, 2018, 11:17:23 AM »
OK Bruce, thanks for your reply from which I'll take it that you did not use any instrumentation to determine if there is current in the wire and just assumed that there is not because the wire is open circuit.


How would you go about testing for current in an open circuit
Without closing said circuit?
Aside from capacitance effects, and hv flow through the air medium,
An ‘open’ circuit implies no current, in principle.


The presence of electric and magnetic fields, is not current-dependent.




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Re: Bruce's TPU Theory and Experiments ver.1.2
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Re: Bruce's TPU Theory and Experiments ver.1.2
« Reply #2200 on: January 04, 2018, 12:45:25 PM »

How would you go about testing for current in an open circuit
Without closing said circuit?
Aside from capacitance effects, and hv flow through the air medium,
An ‘open’ circuit implies no current, in principle.


The presence of electric and magnetic fields, is not current-dependent.

The 'wire' cannot be a completely electrically open circuit if flux is induced into the secondary 'pick-up' winding and the induced current is affected by the frequency driving the DUT.

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Re: Bruce's TPU Theory and Experiments ver.1.2
« Reply #2201 on: January 05, 2018, 01:11:59 AM »
The 'wire' cannot be a completely electrically open circuit if flux is induced into the secondary 'pick-up' winding and the induced current is affected by the frequency driving the DUT.


Hoppy,


I ALWAYS use instrumentation... Lol


And I encourage you to build it to find out.  This is a little bitty baby starter I gave to you guys.  Not for me to prove something... Lol


But I gave it as a gift for experimenters.  So no answer doesn't mean no answer..


It simply means if anyone is curious enough to explore it, there they go.


Are there electrons on the wire?  Oh yes! Do you want to call that current??  I would not...


Anyone want to find out more?  It's about fifty dollars in parts.. Lol


I tell you again, when you see the STRENGTH of the magnetic field you will know it is not some measly current.  Then put all of the instruments you choose to. 


Build it and you will see.  Or blow it off as nothing here.  Or wait for someone else.  I am over a year past what I gave you guys and further developing the TPU.  Generating power from electrons and learning to move them.  There is a HUGE learning curve!!  Not for the faint of heart... Bwahahaha


Cheers,


Bruce

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Re: Bruce's TPU Theory and Experiments ver.1.2
« Reply #2202 on: January 05, 2018, 02:01:39 AM »
The 'wire' cannot be a completely electrically open circuit if flux is induced into the secondary 'pick-up' winding and the induced current is affected by the frequency driving the DUT.


Place a compass next to a long wire and touch one end to the + side of a battery

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Re: Bruce's TPU Theory and Experiments ver.1.2
« Reply #2203 on: January 05, 2018, 02:05:37 AM »
Take a non-magnetic stainless, like 305 or something
And electrify it.
Where is the magnetic field?
Why can a magnet be attracted TO something, but not stick to it
And the object NOT be attracted to the magnet?


but the Field is?


Think about what Bruce is trying to teach you.
None of you are in a position to argue with him....

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Re: Bruce's TPU Theory and Experiments ver.1.2
« Reply #2204 on: January 05, 2018, 10:06:27 AM »

Place a compass next to a long wire and touch one end to the + side of a battery

Maybe that's a better starting point.  :-\ However, my compass needle does not move / kick.

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Re: Bruce's TPU Theory and Experiments ver.1.2
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