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Author Topic: Bruce's TPU Theory and Experiments ver.1.2  (Read 1071442 times)

Offline itsu

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Re: Bruce's TPU Theory and Experiments ver.1.2
« Reply #2220 on: January 17, 2018, 10:11:47 PM »

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I find the circuit in Itsu's photograph difficult to follow. Would someone draw it up as a regular circuit diagram?

This is the diagram as i have it (almost)

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Re: Bruce's TPU Theory and Experiments ver.1.2
« Reply #2220 on: January 17, 2018, 10:11:47 PM »

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Re: Bruce's TPU Theory and Experiments ver.1.2
« Reply #2221 on: January 18, 2018, 03:10:41 PM »
Made again some minor changes while still waiting for the dual ch FG, like using 36V on the MOSFETs and shortening the supply wires as much as possible.

Using 2 current probes to monitor the 36V input current and the WIRE current (between WIRE and floating 12V battery).

First thing i noticed is that the pickup loop does NOT pick up as much energy as earlier, with the amp meter in the supply line showing 7.5mA, no energy is picked up at all!

I had to increase the current through the MOSFETs (by adjusting the gate signal amplitudes) to about 20mA for any reaction on the pickup loop.

Another thing to notice is that the ringing frequency on the 36V input current is now increased from 8.3Mhz to 12.5Mhz.
I think this has to do with the shortend leads between circuit and batteries.

All together i think that the shortend leads and therefor the higher ringing frequency influences the amount of energy (reflected) in(to) the WIRE negatively

Screenshot shows the 2 current probe signals:
purple is current in the 36V supply lead  (value needs to be taken x 10, so 404mA pp)
green is current in the WIRE (at the end near the 12V floating battery)

Video here:  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6PuNvVTiHaA


Hmmmm, changing the 36V return lead with a longer wire increases the pickup loop signal again, increasing the length of the 36V supply lead seems to have no influence on it!


Regards Itsu

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Re: Bruce's TPU Theory and Experiments ver.1.2
« Reply #2222 on: January 18, 2018, 05:43:54 PM »
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Hmmmm, changing the 36V return lead with a longer wire increases the pickup loop signal again, increasing the length of the 36V supply lead seems to have no influence on it!


Extending this 36V return line to the extreme by using 11m of wire shows that the ringing frequency lowers till 4.46Mhz and the WIRE current increases where
it pegs my pickup loop VU meter (with the same 7.5mA input current in the 36V input lead).

Extending it even further to 18m almost removes the ringing.

The WIRE length in its looped form is still the same at about 10m long.

Screenshot shows in:
purple the 36V lead input current
green the WIRE current


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Re: Bruce's TPU Theory and Experiments ver.1.2
« Reply #2223 on: January 19, 2018, 10:12:37 PM »

I sweeped my pickup loop VU meter device to see if it does not give false indications due to self resonance peaks (thanks Itzon),
and the result can be seen below.

I sweep from 1Khz (left) to 30Mhz (right), so each horizontal division is 3Mhz.
I used a single turn from my FG.

The result is a fairly flat range from 1Khz to about 15Mhz (note the influence of the BAT48 Schottky diode) followed by a sharp resonance peak at 21Mhz.
As we primarily use this device in the lower MHz range, i guess this will do.

   
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Re: Bruce's TPU Theory and Experiments ver.1.2
« Reply #2224 on: January 19, 2018, 10:20:25 PM »
I used my Spectrum Analyzer to look at the frequency spectrum of the WIRE / device.
Sweeping from 9Khz to 170Mhz.

I have the short leads connected so we nicely see the 12Mhz ringing frequency pop up, but it also shows there is activity on this WIRE / device up till 150Mhz.
Picture 1 is with the device OFF, picture 2 with the device ON.
I use a single loop from my SA to the loop in the WIRE.

This can also been seen in the raggedness of the green current traces above which reveals the many frequencies on the WIRE (thanks MuDped).

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Re: Bruce's TPU Theory and Experiments ver.1.2
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Re: Bruce's TPU Theory and Experiments ver.1.2
« Reply #2225 on: January 20, 2018, 04:28:12 PM »

I received my UDB 1308S FG, and set it up like mentioned in the post from Bruce here:
http://overunity.com/2300/bruces-tpu-theory-and-experiments-ver-1-2/msg514687/#msg514687


CH1 square wave (AC, so NOT DC negative), 330KHz, 96% Duty Cycle, 0° Phase shift.
CH2 square wave (AC, so NOT DC negative), 330KHz, 95% Duty Cycle, 1° Phase shift.


When attaching the channels to the (not activated device), the scope shows these signals:
yellow is CH1 signal
Blue    is CH2 signal

We see more then 1° phase shift (negative) between the channels, probably due to the quality of this FG.

 
Itsu

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Re: Bruce's TPU Theory and Experiments ver.1.2
« Reply #2226 on: January 20, 2018, 04:42:28 PM »

I now have connected up the circuit as in Bruce his initial post mentioned above.
Using a fairly long (0.5m) 36V return lead to have some indication on the pickup loop VU meter.

New FG set as above mentioned.

1st screenshot shows again the currents in the 36V supply lead (purple, take values x10), and in the WIRE next to the floating battery (green).

2th screenshot shows the frequency spectrum generated across the WIRE.

The current in the analoge AC meter in the 36V supply line was set to 7.5mA (which is max. obtainable) with the new FG amplitude pots
I do not notice that much difference when using the single channel FG, but need to do some more experiments though.

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Re: Bruce's TPU Theory and Experiments ver.1.2
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Re: Bruce's TPU Theory and Experiments ver.1.2
« Reply #2227 on: January 20, 2018, 10:09:20 PM »

So the circuit as presented by Bruce here: http://overunity.com/2300/bruces-tpu-theory-and-experiments-ver-1-2/msg514687/#msg514687
is complete, and i am doing some tests with it using different AWG values and lengths for the WIRE and for the 36V return lead.

Also manipulating the CH2 (B) phase shift (initial 1°) has a big influences on the signal on the WIRE while the 36V input currents stays constant (7.5mA on the analoge meter)

Video here:  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P3IJRkZ13io



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Re: Bruce's TPU Theory and Experiments ver.1.2
« Reply #2228 on: January 21, 2018, 02:02:23 AM »
So the circuit as presented by Bruce here: http://overunity.com/2300/bruces-tpu-theory-and-experiments-ver-1-2/msg514687/#msg514687
is complete, and i am doing some tests with it using different AWG values and lengths for the WIRE and for the 36V return lead.

Also manipulating the CH2 (B) phase shift (initial 1°) has a big influences on the signal on the WIRE while the 36V input currents stays constant (7.5mA on the analoge meter)

Video here:  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P3IJRkZ13io

Regards Itsu

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Re: Bruce's TPU Theory and Experiments ver.1.2
« Reply #2229 on: January 21, 2018, 02:09:42 AM »
I received my UDB 1308S FG, and set it up like mentioned in the post from Bruce here:
http://overunity.com/2300/bruces-tpu-theory-and-experiments-ver-1-2/msg514687/#msg514687


CH1 square wave (AC, so NOT DC negative), 330KHz, 96% Duty Cycle, 0° Phase shift.
CH2 square wave (AC, so NOT DC negative), 330KHz, 95% Duty Cycle, 1° Phase shift.


When attaching the channels to the (not activated device), the scope shows these signals:
yellow is CH1 signal
Blue    is CH2 signal

We see more then 1° phase shift (negative) between the channels, probably due to the quality of this FG.

 
Itsu


Well done setup. Mine is already prepared to be tested. Tomorrow morning I will try.

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Re: Bruce's TPU Theory and Experiments ver.1.2
« Reply #2230 on: January 23, 2018, 02:51:04 AM »

My first test using the components suggested by Bruce. I need to check the signal generator to understand why the channel 1 isn't working.

https://youtu.be/GSDAa_T6EGU




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Re: Bruce's TPU Theory and Experiments ver.1.2
« Reply #2231 on: January 23, 2018, 03:41:40 AM »
My first test using the components suggested by Bruce. I need to check the signal generator to understand why the channel 1 isn't working.

https://youtu.be/GSDAa_T6EGU




Thanks


After test, the conclusion is the FG isn't ok. I will find out what I need to do to send it back.

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Re: Bruce's TPU Theory and Experiments ver.1.2
« Reply #2232 on: January 23, 2018, 10:20:08 AM »

Hi ariovaldo,


thanks for showing your setup, your led is very bright, mine will hardly glow, only when extending the 36V return lead it gets better.

You should be able to check out your FG channel A amplitude setting with a led and resistor, and/or swap the channels to the circuit to see if the error goes with it.

It will take weeks to get it replaced  :(

Regards Itsu

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Re: Bruce's TPU Theory and Experiments ver.1.2
« Reply #2233 on: January 23, 2018, 01:12:22 PM »
Good job itsu and Ari,


Please do not judge output by led brightness. It can be deceiving.  Simply measure the voltage across the 8 ohm resistor to compare between set up.


My guess is that itsu has the stronger magnetic field in the open ended wire. 


Ari, please make sure that the amplitude knob is turned up on both channels please.  And scope channel 1.  I sent you a pm.


Good start guys!


Every one else.. Why is there a magnetic field in an open ended wire?


Why does that field strength grow or diminish based on frequency and wire length?


How can this information be used to generate electricity?


Cheers,


Bruce

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Re: Bruce's TPU Theory and Experiments ver.1.2
« Reply #2234 on: January 23, 2018, 03:01:53 PM »
Dear Bruce


I agree that LED's are not a reliable test. (eyeball test)


What actual claims do you make for the gift circuit?


Do you have a workable  hypothesis of what is supposed to occur in the circuit?


Do you have a test method that proves beyond doubt the hypothesis?


Have you instituted control experiments to prove / disprove the hypothesis?


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Re: Bruce's TPU Theory and Experiments ver.1.2
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