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Author Topic: Bruce's TPU Theory and Experiments ver.1.2  (Read 1049276 times)

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Re: Bruce's TPU Theory and Experiments ver.1.2
« Reply #15 on: May 15, 2007, 04:08:06 AM »
This next formula is how to determine the amount of wire for each collector.  I am going to be using stranded wire as SM said to for the collectors.  I am going to be building a new TPU.

(Please see post above to learn how to determine the resonant frequency of your collector.)

Step 1.  I will use the following formula to determine length of wire for each collector:

"Desired impedance (DC resistance) between 7 & 8 Ω.  Find DC resistance of 1 m of wire to determine overall length of wire needed."

This is the formula that is used to limit the current from the amplifier.  Tube amp circuit in my case!
Example:
I measured 1 yard of the stranded wire I will be using for my three collectors on my next coil.  Next I measured the ohms resistance of that wire.  It was 1.5 ohms.  So at exactly 5 yards of this wire, I will be at 7.5 ohms.  This will be per collector on my next TPU.

Hmmm...I feel like the puzzle pieces are starting to fall together.  What good is pure high frequency if the collector/speaker is wrong.  All of that work to pump tube pure frequency into the collectors, and to not know what frequency it will resonate, and to have too little or too much wire.

One good thing...It my TPU doesn't work, I will have one heck of start for a great sound system!!! LOL    :D

Step 2:
I will take one of the collectors and follow the instructions to find the resonant frequency.  This will be the frequency I input into the first collector from my Tube circuit.
Then I will double this for my harmonic in my second collector.
Then I will add both the first and second into the third, creating a intermodulation.
And then I will have POWER!!  (I hope!) LOL

Bruce
« Last Edit: May 15, 2007, 04:35:38 AM by btentzer »

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Re: Bruce's TPU Theory and Experiments ver.1.2
« Reply #16 on: May 15, 2007, 05:07:27 AM »
Just a word of caution regarding the loudspeaker/TPU diameter analogies.

Speaker resonance is determined by a few factors, one of which is the diameter of the cone. There is also the cone mass and voicecoil inductance, so it is not that simple an analogy. The speaker diameter mostly determines how much air is being moved, and thus will represent a certain "resistance" to movement, which will affect the resonance frequency.

I'm sure there are some loudspeaker experts out there that can correct any errors I may have made, but the point is that the comparison can not be made simply based on diameter alone.

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Re: Bruce's TPU Theory and Experiments ver.1.2
« Reply #17 on: May 15, 2007, 05:34:10 AM »
Actually, you are correct Darren. 

If you click the link that goes through how to measure the resonant frequency, diameter is not one of the parameters.  But the diameter of the speaker affects all of the parameters that are needed to find the "open air" resonant frequency. 

SM didn't just mention high frequency and give number in khz, but he used the term "resonance" with one of the numbers two times.  So every attempt should be made to find the resonance frequency for the collector.  This is the "primary" frequency the other two are made with.

That website had some easy to follow steps to find the resonant frequency.  We don't need the "enclosure" frequency, just the "open air".  Should you or anyone else find another website with instructions that will help us with this, please post here.

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Re: Bruce's TPU Theory and Experiments ver.1.2
« Reply #18 on: May 15, 2007, 11:18:47 AM »
   Just did a quick check of the ohms per foot on my #20 stranded wire. Twenty five feet equals .5 ohms.  That makes it 375 feet of wire for one coil. How big of a tpu did you say you have.  I might see using enamel wire but coated multi stand is impracticle at best.    Just a simple fact I figured out. How do you intend to make it fit??

   In the past I read one of teslas patents on resonance. Simplest is a coil and a cap. Most efficent way of doing it. Each coil I feel should be tuned to the frequency it will have in it.  That brings up parallel or series wired?  One will be like a short to the circuit and one an open.

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Re: Bruce's TPU Theory and Experiments ver.1.2
« Reply #19 on: May 15, 2007, 05:51:24 PM »
Hi Sugra,

The OHMS test is to simply limit the current going to the wire (resistance).  From my case a tube circuit.  I will be wiring each collector as you would a speaker for one of my experiments.  It is not a magic formula.  The MAIN thing is the resonant frequency of the collector/speaker.  I am using 16# stranded at 1.5 OHMS a yard.  5 yards rap easily. it is a variable of what kind of wire you want to use.     

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« Reply #20 on: May 15, 2007, 10:10:49 PM »

I have come to the conclusion based on SM statements and continued research, that the TPU "function" is similar to a vacuum tube rectifier. 

Best regards,
Bruce


hi Bruce i like your theory.
Turbo.

a electron at rest has no kinetic energy.
when it is fired,it has kinetic energy because of it's motion.
when it stops,it's kinetic energy changes into heat and sound energy.

imagine,if you will, a number of individuals within a circle formed by a number of men standing shoulder to shoulder or holding hands.
the men who form the ring are determined that the individuals inside will not get out, and those who are encircled make but a feeble effort to get out.
although they are milling around,those of the inner group who come in contact with this human barrier bounce back or are deflected in diffrent directions and remain inside the circle.
as a result of the slowness of their movements, the kinetic energy possessed by those within does not enable them to overcome the work being done by the encirclers to keep those who are inside within the circle.

but suddenly those inside the circle speed up their movements.
instead of moving slowly towards the encircling ring of people, they start running rapidly and thereby gain kinetic energy, the energy of motion.
when they reach the barrier the energy they possess is converted into work, and if it is greater than the work being done by those trying to keep them inside, they break through the human barrier and are free...

in a general way this is what's happening inside a metal.
at the surface of the metal a sort of barrier exits which tends to keep the electrons within the confines of the metal.
inside the metal some of the free electrons move very slowly and others move more rapidly.
some move with sufficient speed so that the energy they possess,is sufficient to permit them to break through the barier but, these are extremly few in number.

assume now that something is done to the metal, which causes increased speed of movement of all electrons.
as the electron speed of movement increases, the kinetic energy aquired by the electrons also increases untill finally great number of them break through the surface and escape from the metal.
this is the phenomenon of electron emission.
electron emmision is the liberation of electrons from substances under particular conditions.

electron emission caused by energy conversion.

naturally ,we are intrested in what is done to the metal to cause such emissions of electrons.
what will speed up the motion of the electrons so that the work they can do is sufficient to cause them to break through the surface?

numerous conditions will create such a state, for there are a number of ways in which additional energy can be imparted to the electrons within the metal.
for example,

1.there is the application of heat.
heat is a form of energy, and if the temperature of a piece of metal is raised by any one of a number of heating processes, some of the energy in the heat is transferred to the electrons and they are made to move faster than their normal speed of motion.
this is the equivalent of conversion of heat energy into kinetic energy.
when electrons are freed by heating a metal it is called [1] thermionic emission.

2.then there is the application of light.
light,which is an electromagnetic radiation,is a form of energy.
although the exact mechanism whereby electrons are liberated from substances when electromagnetic waves of the proper frequency impinge upon them has not as yet been determined,it is a well established fact thet electron emission does take place.
very many diffrent electrical systems are in use today which depend upon this phenomenon for operation.
we can accept the statement that the energy contained in light rays which strike the substance under consideration is in some way transferred to the electrons in the substance ,and that their motion is accelerated sufficiently so that they are liberated from the substance.
this action is called photo electric emission.

3.a third type of emission is called secondary emission.
this is the liberation of electrons from a substance as a result of the [2] bombardment of the substance with fast moving electrons.
in other words ,the energy contained in these high speed electronic bullets is given up to the electrons and atoms which they strike ,and in so doing increases the kinetic energy of the electrons in the metal and thereby enables them to gather sufficient speed so that they can break through the surface of the metal and be liberated.
the existance of this condition is undesirable in certain vacuum tubes and provision has been made to prevent it.
on the other hand this is a deliberatly created condition in other tubes.
naturally the high speed electrons which are used as the bullets,are also secured from some source by the process of emission.
in secondary emission electron emission is also attained by means of the transfer of energy.

4. a fourth method is indentified as [3] cold cathode emission.
in a normal vacuum tube ,the vacuum prevents the tungsten wire from burning up which happens when heated in open air in a matter of seconds.
in the cold cathode methode electrons are litterally pulled [5] out of a substance by the attracting power of an extremely strong electric attracting force.
since the electron is a negative particle,the existance of a point which is positive with respect to the electron source ,the cathode, will tend to draw electrons towards it.
if this attracting source is sufficiently powerfull it will pull electrons out of a metal,without any heat being applied or the application of any other action which would tend to free the electrons from the metal.
due to the extremely [4] high voltages involved ,such cold cathode forms of emissions are not commonly used.......

[1] Remember that it is like a furnace which feeds itself.  The hotter it gets the more fuel it gives itself to burn.

I originally got the idea from electron circuits which use vacuum rectifiers like the 5U4 GB or 5AR4 etc.
The plate has a [4] high voltage potential with lots of useable power available.
You cant get to it or use it for anything without applying a heating voltage to the cathode or what is the cathode potential of the tube?
So, you put in a small voltage of 5 volts AC 60 Hz which heats up the cathode and welcomes the electron stream from the plate.
Or actually the other way around [5], but not important for this example of my thoughts.

You know it is common knowledge in the electron tube world that aside from the fact that a [3] cold filament conducts more electricity then when hot, one of the things that destroys the filament in electron tubes for that matter is this [2] kick when you first turn on the juice.  The kick is there whether the filament is hot or cold.  The kick helps destroy the filament and cathodes integrity.

Perhaps a smaller one is safer because the only thing that will stop a red collector is the disintegration of the matter acting as a receiver.  IE, the wires all burn up. 

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Re: Bruce's TPU Theory and Experiments ver.1.2
« Reply #21 on: May 15, 2007, 11:04:19 PM »
so to say thing short,

if it does function like a vacuum tube, my guess is that it starts as a cold cathode tube.
this tube does not need the vacuum to prevent the burn up of the heater.
so we get rid of the vacuum and doing so ,we created a new situation.
in this "open cold tube" we can react with the environments free electrons.
basicly pull them out of the sky by using high voltage bombardment with kicks.
then when the thing heats up a bit we will get even more emissions.
so it looks like a all in one tube  ;D
Turbo.
 

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Re: Bruce's TPU Theory and Experiments ver.1.2
« Reply #22 on: May 15, 2007, 11:36:36 PM »
Hi Turbo!

You said that so well...Thank you!  Yes, that is exactly right, but you said it so much better than I.  Perhaps others will take this more serious. 

The only thing I wish to add here is that it is not high voltage that produces the Kicks, it is within the clash of the frequencies, that provide the additional density of electrons..and that is all I will say until the promised post!  It will describe exactly how SM heated the coil and much much more.  The man is brilliant!

I have so much more information as to how this process is really taking place within the collectors.  It is very complex and to be honest, downright scary.  The last of the puzzle pieces have fallen together within the last 18 hours.  I have written my helpers, build team, and as soon as I hear back from them I will make a bombshell of a post. 

I will just say this,  SM really did tell us everything we needed to understand this tech.  As he said the electronic principles are simple but the complexity of the TPU is astounding and everyday my respect and admiration of SM's genius grows.  And I will add that when he warned about the dangers of these he was neither lying or exagerating.  I had even considered no longer posting after the "events" process was discovered.  The TPU can be very dangerous, and not like you think.  What has made me decide to post it in the near future, is that SM did want everyone to know and he told us.  Just no one has connected all of the dots, done the research, etc...til now.  So I figure it was his decision to make and he made it.  So I will post with the last of the puzzle pieces and let the chips fall where they will.  I could not just aimlessly wind coils without understanding what is going on....Now I build.

To SM, the modern KING of Electrons!
Bruce
« Last Edit: May 16, 2007, 01:13:47 AM by btentzer »

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Re: Bruce's TPU Theory and Experiments ver.1.2
« Reply #23 on: May 16, 2007, 12:12:05 AM »
Hi Bruce:

Thank you for posting your potential "bombshell" development. We eagerly await your good news. I do admire your persistence even though you've admitted a lack of a electronics background. Time to prove them wrong?

As a newbie I have difficulty following the hundreds of threads just on TPU engineering. Ideally, this Forum should have a 'summary' on a weekly basis or so, what each TPU hacker wants updated or where they are in their TPU cycle. Sort and succinct so everyone don't need to ask repeated questions. Only the important structure/issues (working or on-going success) should be documented.

I have just gotten permission from Stephan to initiate such a request from TPU engineers to send me important information so it can be updated on a say, weekly basis, with references to diagrams, circuitry etc etc. This way people don't have to jump through hoops to find the most relevant information. The updates will be in a HTML Table form and will be posted to the Forum. I will get a sample out tonight when I have some time.

btw, which corner of the woods are you residing in?

Thanks

ChrisC

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« Reply #24 on: May 16, 2007, 12:28:02 AM »
Hi Chris.

That is an outstanding idea.  I and my helper, build team member had a very similar idea.  I am glad to have someone take everyones research seriously and place it into an "easy to reach" format.

I live in Texas. btw. :)

Honestly, SM gave the information.  I have spent hundreds of freetime hours research every word and this reached a climax last night.  He wanted us to understand, and we will.

Will experimentation still be needed?  Of course.  But it will be with knowledge and understanding, not blind guessing.  This I think is the important thing, for me anyway.

Even after SM learned how to produce power, he said they wrapped over 300 coils to perfect it.  We are on the verge.  And I hope with SM's remaining clues revealed, we will all be on the right tract.  Will some still try their own way?  Of course.  But enough here will try it SM's way, and listen to him, and someone (I hope I am first! LOL) will produce that first power.  Then we are all off to the races...to make it SS and have it work!

To SM, King of electrons!
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« Reply #25 on: May 16, 2007, 12:47:59 AM »
Hi Bruce & All:

Great! Hopefully I will find some time tonight to post a simple HTML Table format and get the ball rolling on a weekly Summary for TPU research & over time detailing the fine details where each researcher's important results will be readily available.

Btw, I'm in San Jose, CA. Thanks.

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Re: Bruce's TPU Theory and Experiments ver.1.2
« Reply #26 on: May 16, 2007, 08:48:46 AM »
@btentzer .. i am glad your R&D is coming along at a nice pace. Hope to here your final instructions on how the tpu is made. ;D

I live in Htown, TX; and i would love to help, but i dont like to reinvent. Plus i am a student, and work 2 jobs .. hardly have time or the money to do a credible and well thought out R&D project. I am truly glad others are taking out the time and putting their own money into finding out how this TPU thing is made and works.

if one of you can decipher the code SM talks in .. that is fantastic.  :) .. one-up for free energy to the world!!!  ;D

one thing is always bugging me - the legal aspect of this .. if his technology is owned by UEC .. and if someone else "finds out" through independent R&D how it is made and works .. will UEC (or whoever they really are) step in and stop the person from publishing the info bc the technology is already someone else's?? Does this only apply for patents? as far as i know, SM or UEC don't have any patents on a TPU device.  ??? .. if they do have a patent .. then they can just bury the thing for 20 years or so by not giving out licenses for anyone to commercialize it.

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Re: Bruce's TPU Theory and Experiments ver.1.2
« Reply #27 on: May 16, 2007, 02:56:00 PM »
Okay folks, this is the promised post.  The last of SM's Clues that I am able to research and figure out.  After this post, it is to the bench to build a proper coil and await my tube circuit.  I can't tell you the hours spent working on this.  My build team members were enthusiastic to say the least! LOL

Thank you for taking the time to download and read.  Pardon the advertisement in the pdf, but is the only pdf converter I could find for free.

To SM, the modern King of electrons,
Bruce
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nice going Bruce  8)

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« Reply #29 on: May 16, 2007, 11:42:28 PM »
Okay folks, this is the promised post.  The last of SM's Clues that I am able to research and figure out.  After this post, it is to the bench to build a proper coil and await my tube circuit.  I can't tell you the hours spent working on this.  My build team members were enthusiastic to say the least! LOL

Thank you for taking the time to download and read.  Pardon the advertisement in the pdf, but is the only pdf converter I could find for free.

To SM, the modern King of electrons,
Bruce

THANKS .. keep us updated on your bench experiments!!!

core? .. thought SM didnt have a core in the TPU

also, all the equations in the PDF are garbled up .. i cant understand what u r referring to without the equations.

(also, i think it would have been better if u also added the things u want us to know from your posts here INTO the PDF .. for documentation purposes; it also makes it easier on new users to understand where u r coming from)

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