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Offline triffid

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Re: Barbat low inertial mass generator
« Reply #60 on: July 20, 2008, 11:19:01 PM »
test,just wanted a link to this thread.triffid

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Re: Barbat low inertial mass generator
« Reply #61 on: July 22, 2008, 01:34:22 AM »
Not sure if this has been mentioned, and if everyone is aware, but look at Teslas patent with the copper disk.

It is almost surely oxidized and it is exposed to light.
It therefore produces these low mass electrons, no I'm not quoting Barbat I am quoting Tesla, that is what he said of his copper plate radiant energy collector.

Maybe Barbat mentions it in the patent, so if this is obvious and old news then ignore me.

Tesla noted that these electrons can rupture diecectrics even at low voltages, this connects to Stiffler/ATGroup's TMB: http://www.stifflerscientific.com/tmb.asp

Where despite the extremely low voltages it arcs through air!

IMO these 'low mass electrons' are really 'orgone charged electrons'.

Offline aether22

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Re: Barbat low inertial mass generator
« Reply #62 on: July 22, 2008, 02:41:23 AM »
I too hate to make 2 posts in a row, but Vortex1, you are missing the point.

What is happening here is the main OU principle in electromagnetic devices.
It is the act of increasing coupling from a source of flux to a pickup coil which are in an otherwise loose coupling, the coupling is unidirectionaly increased by various aetheric methods and this is just one way, there are many more.

The point is the coupling must be low or else first there will be nothing to increase, and second the pickup coil will have too much effect back on the source of flux.

There are a few things you should know, first is that the pickup coil and any other receiving coil (the magnifying coil) should preferably not be grounded.

Another is that motors or buzzers are an ideal source of flux, although any open ferrous core coil can work.

Also the pickup coils should be no where near a ferrous core, you want them to produce as little magnetism as possible.

My suggestion would be to take a large copper plate, let it oxidize naturally (unless you already have the gear to do CuO in a more deliberate manner) and then coat it in something clear, maybe a spray on polyurethane or something, insulate everything very well and connect this to your coil.

There is one catch though, These aetherically mediated EM waves (photons if you like, but not photons as you are thinking, not optical wavelength but massive sizes that have different views on what is transparent and what is opaque) are attracted to positively charged metal, and so I am not totally convinced that any method that charges it negatively is going to be all that effective.



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Re: Barbat low inertial mass generator
« Reply #63 on: March 19, 2009, 09:55:35 PM »
So what happened? This thread showed so much promise when it started. I see that you have all given it up for dead. Hellooo......hellooo.......echoe.......echoe..............echoe....

Free energy is our right but like every thing else we have to work for it. When I have read all of this thread I hope I can kick start this again.

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Re: Barbat low inertial mass generator
« Reply #64 on: March 20, 2009, 12:01:02 AM »
Well, for me it's all about available time, equipment, and knowledge/experience,
and I haven't stopped trying to acquire enough of these to move forward with this.

This is my #1 OU interest and am willing to work with anyone that is serious about
discussing how to get this dis or proven.

all the best,

tak

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Offline AhuraMazda

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Re: Barbat low inertial mass generator
« Reply #65 on: March 20, 2009, 12:59:14 AM »
I am sure you are aware that the patent is not an instruction set for replicating the idea. Even if you had all the materials, Barrat would have used a part of his intelligence to prevent any would be researcher from duplicating his work. Still I think his patent has some significant revelations that can be used else where,

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Re: Barbat low inertial mass generator
« Reply #66 on: March 20, 2009, 08:29:01 PM »
Distance:

I believe that the distance between the loose coupled coils may be criticle.

The three fields:

E field or voltage
M field or magnetic
T field called the "A" field for toroidal coils

The magnetic field of course is the shortest range effect force. The E field of voltage is stronger to a much further distance, and the T field has furthest reach.

Thing about the T field is what happens when you cancel it.

If you short out two wires with voltage across them you get a spark and blow a fuse from the heat produced by electrons flowing.

If you try to cancel the magnetic field you get opposition and physical push.

If you short out opposing T fields you get something very different. An increase in light volocity, the Aether is altered. This is because the T field is a nuclear spin force like gravity.

http://magnetism.50webs.com/Tensor.htm

If you scan down to the Joe Cell power supply diagrams offered here you will notice the circuits do not make any sense whatsoever from an electronics stand point. The reversed diodes are supposed to stop all EM currents. However it is discovered they only stop the electron flow and not the T field flows.
In AC electric currents, there are also two opposing spin field running the wire in opposite directions through the load and these are what actually transfer the power. They will fly right through the diodes if the circuit has an actual load on it.

You can then play with sending them into other things to see the response or you can even cancel them by shorting. The effect builds up slowly and can create very strange effects. Be careful!

When you add the lamp dimmer and set it about to half these T fields really power up strongly and can start to interact with one another.

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Offline tak22

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Re: Barbat low inertial mass generator
« Reply #67 on: March 20, 2009, 08:51:04 PM »
Dave,

Thanks for adding this perspective on the T field and it's association with light velocity
and nuclear spin, both of which are directly related to what Barbat is implying.

When you say coupling distance may be important, do you think the tolerance is going
to be very very small and it'll be extremely dependent on coil configuration and the
LC achieved?

tak

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Re: Barbat low inertial mass generator
« Reply #68 on: March 20, 2009, 09:59:22 PM »
An example is Joe Cell spacing.

A Joe Cell will get the effect in the water from about 1/4" up to a little over 1/2". Any closer the effect dies. We use 1/8" spacing for making hydrogen without getting the torsion effect in water.

Your coil setup is much different however, If you are powering a coil, then how ever far out the magnetic field reaches the E field will go further and the T field furthest. So you can experiment with distance and driving voltage and current to see how far you need.

The main thing with trying to build a powering device is get a load on it. Try to study the loaded circuit first from the mains. Sweet said his VTA wouldl not work with less then about 100 watt load on it as I recall. Hubbard always had the light bulb on top or was starting up the unit with a motor attached. Don't expect to see your voltage setting there ready to power something when before the load is connected.

Since I set up the light bulb, and started to see how everything changes with it actually lit I realized two things.

1 - Work with the load connected.

2 - Use a triac or light dimmer to increase the T fields for experiment.

This can be a little more dangerous so use caution.

I can go into EM theory to show why this is necessary if you like, but the voltage and current need to be loaded drawing power to have the T field pop out to a place where you can set both sides against one another. The atoms can no longer fully compensate and so they keep trying harder because you have set dimagnetic field against diamagnetic field. I believe at resonance the T filed has no need to become external or extend its reach very far to bring harmony back to the copper atoms. But the other approach is to achieve a resonance and this is Roterverter technology. Very effecient, but may never go far into OU, don't know. Only experiment will show this over time.

If you arrange two coils, both loaded, and position them such that T fields cancel, you may see effects, as long as E and M do not cancel.
The diodes can be used to seperate them also because T field will move right down a copper wire.

Dave L

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Re: Barbat low inertial mass generator
« Reply #69 on: June 16, 2010, 11:17:41 PM »
I am working on constructing the Barbat device. I almost have it finished. Just finished creating the magnifying coils. I used a heat to create the oxide crystals. I have both red, brown and black oxide build up on them. I have built home made solar cells this way and you just don't get that much electricity out on it. If I remember correctly you just get mV. I am thinking that may not be the case with a sending coil. I will try this first and see what happens. Next I will try putting a solar cell in series with the magnifying coils and place one on top and one on bottom. I will remove the sending coil when doing this and add LED lights as the exciter. I plan of lossing the plastic plates and adding wood in place of them. Here are some pix of the A.
« Last Edit: June 16, 2010, 11:48:49 PM by kfstevens2370 »

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Offline tak22

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Re: Barbat low inertial mass generator
« Reply #70 on: June 17, 2010, 12:15:37 AM »
Hi,

Glad to see you're interested in the Barbat patent! I've put my replication
on hold while I tackle 'easier' projects, and until I get a better understanding
of resonance and how to induce/control/monitor it for this application.

Can you tell us how the SEC will fit into the driving circuit?

tak

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Re: Barbat low inertial mass generator
« Reply #71 on: June 17, 2010, 09:15:52 AM »
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Everyone here that has wound a coil or tinkered with electronics, or desperately wanted to, will find inspiration in the sheer simplicity of Barbat's generator.
...

rather, everyone seriously involved in electronics and physics knows that things are not so simple. Real life is not pseudo-inventor's dreams.


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Re: Barbat low inertial mass generator
« Reply #72 on: December 15, 2010, 12:34:47 AM »
Looks like there's a little more interest in Barbat lately so I'll give a short update.

1. Other things have kept me from the workbench for over a year now.

2. Grumpy posted a link for a DIY cuprous oxide coating over at overunityresearch.com

    http://www.hpfriedrichs.com/rr-cu-diode.htm

3. I'll continue to be interested in this until I see it NOT work.

tak

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Re: Barbat low inertial mass generator
« Reply #73 on: December 15, 2010, 12:36:47 AM »
NICE!!

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Re: Barbat low inertial mass generator
« Reply #74 on: March 03, 2013, 05:24:07 PM »
I'm told that bathing the coils in acid a few times helps very much.


DC.


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