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Offline tak22

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Re: Barbat low inertial mass generator
« Reply #45 on: December 13, 2007, 06:20:27 AM »
@Hans,

Thanks for the validation, but your Correction is too big!

While my research found references saying cupric oxide is a semiconductor, it also found that cuprous oxide is a better one, which explains why it's used most often. I expect it's the simple old case of efficiency (which makes you money), trumps robustness.

@all

That's enough theory searching for me for a while, so I'll continue to proceed with the "build and test" method. My gut feeling is that the Barbat patent is well thought out, and if copper wire works, then it won't matter to me if it's CuO, Cu2O, CuO and Cu2O, superconducting, semiconducting, photoconducting, or voodoo magic. I just want to get to the point where a "special" coil of copper wire is proven to be or not be, "special". If yes, then proceed with testing the gazillions of variations and variables to get something truly remarkable. How's that for positive?  :D

tak

ps. I've been asked why I feel strongly about this barbat patent. It's a good question and when I can gather more minutes together than I'm finding lately I'll post my thoughts. And I still have my research on how to get a good oxide layer onto copper wire written up.

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Re: Barbat low inertial mass generator
« Reply #45 on: December 13, 2007, 06:20:27 AM »

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« Reply #46 on: December 26, 2007, 06:28:59 AM »

I've been asked why I feel strongly about this barbat patent. It's a good question and when I can gather more minutes together than I'm finding lately I'll post my thoughts. And I still have my research on how to get a good oxide layer onto copper wire written up.

Hey Tak,

Where you at with replication of the Barbat Patent ?

- Schpankme
« Last Edit: December 26, 2007, 08:26:13 PM by Schpankme »

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« Reply #47 on: January 03, 2008, 05:44:45 AM »
@Schpankme

thanks for asking, but I'm at one of the frustration stages! I've got pages of research to distill into something sensible and not enough time to get to it.  :(

got a few more intense days coming up and hoping for a break by Sunday.

tak
« Last Edit: January 07, 2008, 06:31:45 AM by tak22 »

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Re: Barbat low inertial mass generator
« Reply #48 on: January 07, 2008, 06:46:27 AM »
CuO cupric oxide update:

I'm continuing with my BARBAT replication using the CuO oxidized wire variation. To proceed, I need some oxidized wire so I spent quite a few hours searching for references. Here are 15 ideas I found for forming a CuO cupric oxide layer on copper wire. Most all of them involve chemicals that are dangerous to work with, so please do your own research before attempting any of these methods. All methods are written by others and many details are lacking, so again, research before proceeding.

I have not attempted any of these yet, so any refinements/corrections/additions suggested are appreciated.

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ABOUT WIRE ANNEALING - When copper wire is annealed with heat in air the wire temperature is around 566 degrees Celsius, and when it is taken above about 200 degrees C, it quickly oxidizes and cupric oxide forms. To protect the hot copper wire from atmospheric oxygen, steam, nitrogen or some other reducing atmosphere is put around it until such time that the annealed copper wire is cooled down. (Preferably back to room temperature.)
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0 - HEAT (from BARBAT) - Alternatively, copper oxides are formed in place on bare copper or bronze wire by heating the wire above about 260? C in an oxygen atmosphere.

1 - 4N-NaOH - The copper was anodically oxidized at 100? C in 4N-NaOH to give a cupric oxide film.

2 - HEATED CAUSTIC OXIDIZERS -- These baths operate at 240? F and utilize caustic soda and sodium nitrate to oxidize the copper at the surface to a black cupric oxide. Since they react exclusively with the copper at the surface, a copper-rich surface favors the formation of a black deposit in the shortest time.

3 - ALKALINE AQUEOUS - The oxidizing treatment of the copper plate is to be carried out by treating the copper plate surface with an alkaline aqueous solution containing an oxidizing agent, for which agent such chlorate as sodium chlorite NaClO.sub.2 or the like, potassium persulfate K.sub.2 S.sub.2 O.sub.8. Use a concentration range of the respective components as 30-90g/1 for NaC1O.sub.2, 10-20g/1 for NaOH, and 5-15g/1 for Na.sub.3 PO.sub.4, preferably, under such treating conditions of solution temperature and treating time as 60-95 C. and 2-5 minutes, preferably.

4 - SODIUM CHLORITE + SODIUM HYDROXIDE + SODIUM PHOSPHATE - Copper was  preliminarily treated by dipping in a copper chloride solution at 25? C for 25 seconds, the solution having been prepared by mixing 2.4 kg of cupric chloride (CuCl.sub.2.2H.sub.2 O) and 18 lit. of industrial hydrochloric acid (35 wt. %) into water of 42 lit., the plates were thereafter rinsed, dipping them for 60 seconds in a hydrochloric acid solution prepared by mixing 70 lit. of the industrial hydrochloric acid (35 wt. %) with water of 155 lit., and rinsing them again. The copper was then dipped for 2 minutes in a blackening treatment solution of 95? C, the solution having been prepared in a composition of 31g/1 of sodium chlorite, 15g/1 of sodium hydroxide and 12g/1 of sodium phosphate, and the copper plates were thus blackened. The copper plates were further rinsed and dried at 120? C for 60 minutes.

5 - NaOH - Dissolve a small amount of NaOH in water and immerse the copper wire. If no color change takes place fast then add a bit more of the NaOH. Do this until you see the color change on the copper. Be sure not to get any on your skin or in your eyes and avoid breathing the fumes when dissolving the NaOH as these can hurt your lungs.

6 - "EBONOL C" #1 - Copper, if not already clean, is cleaned by immersion for typically 3 minutes in an alkaline cleaner liquid at elevated temperature of typically about 180? F and obtained by admixing "ENPLATE" 453 cleaner concentrate with water, in amount sufficient to form the alkaline cleaner liquid of about 50% by volume cleaner concentrate concentration. The copper is then water rinsed. The clean copper is then immersed in a deoxidizer liquid for typically 1-3 minutes at room temperature of the liquid and obtained by admixing "ENPLATE" AD 482 deoxidizer concentrate in water in amount sufficient to form the deoxidizer liquid of about 30% by volume deoxidizer concentrate concentration. The copper is then water rinsed.
The thus-treated clean copper, is then immersed in a blackener solution comprising 1 1/2 lbs. of "EBONOL C" blackener concentrate per gallon of water, for about 1 to 10 minutes at a solution temperature in the range of about 140? F. to about 220? F. The blackener concentrate contains a mixture of an alkali metal hydroxide, e.g. sodium hydroxide and an alkali metal chlorite, e.g. sodium chlorite. A black or dark film or coating of thickness within the range of about 0.01 mil to about 0.5 mil is thereby formed on the copper surface. The copper is then water rinsed.
The blackening solutions employed herein are those obtained by mixing 1 1/2 lbs. of either of the solid blackener concentrates A and B which follow, per gallon of water.
Blackener Concentrate A by Weight: Sodium hydroxide 66% and Sodium chlorite 34%
Blackener Concentrate B by Weight: Sodium hydroxide 50% and Sodium chlorite 50%

7 - "EBONOL C" #2 - Cupric oxide coating is formed by the method described in ASTM (American Society for Testing and Materials) Designation D
2651-79(Reapproved 1984), page 170, for forming cupric oxide coatings on copper. Copper is degreased and then immersed in a solution of 10 parts nitric acid to 90 parts water for 30 seconds at room temperature. The copper is then rinsed in running water and immersed immediately in a solution of water and Ebonol C (containing 24 ounces of "Ebonol C" per gallon of solution) for one to two minutes at 98 degrees C. "Ebonol C" is available from Ethone, Inc., New Haven, Conn. The copper is removed from the solution and rinsed in water.

8 - "EBONOL C" #3 - A copper surface dipped 5 minutes in "EBONOL C" blackener solution at 175? F. produced a coating on the surface.

9 - SULFIDE COMPOUND - The blackening agent for the second layer can easily be prepared using a sulfide compound. Many blackening agents are commercially available. "Copper black CuO", "Copper black CuS", and selenium series "Copper black No. 65" (each, trade name; product of Isolate Chemical) and "Ebonol C Special" (trade name; product of Meltex) are usable.

10 - TEMPERATURE - We have been studying copper oxidation for over two years to determine the complex reactions involved in copper oxidation at room
temperature to 500 C. Between room temperature and 100 C copper forms a thin Cu2O layer; at about 150 C a complex oxide forms Cu3O2; and at 200-300 C CuO forms. Significant oxidation occurs when CuO begins to form. You should cool copper to below 150 C to be sure that only a protective thin film has formed.

11 - AMMONIUM CHLORIDE (sal ammoniac) -  A saturated solution of commercial sal ammoniac is brush-or spray-applied. Several applications may be required to obtain the desired result.

12 - CUPROUS CHLORIDE/HYDROCHLORIC ACID - Apply by spray or brush. Consists of the following formulation:

164 g. cuprous chloride
117 ml. hydrochloric acid
69 ml. glacial acetic acid
80 g. ammonium chloride
11 g. arsenic trioxide
Water to make one (1) liter

13 - AMMONIUM SULFATE - Spray apply, six to eight applications. Consists of the following formulation:

111 g. ammonium sulfate
3.5 g. copper sulfate
1.6 ml. ammonia
1 liter water

14 - AQUEOUS SOLUTIONS - Two to ten percent aqueous solutions of ammonium sulfide, potassium sulfide (liver of sulfur), or sodium sulfide (liquid sulfur)
are swabbed or brushed on the surfaces to be treated producing the oxidized finish.

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I also need a scope to test the wire and coils with, so I've ordered one.

tak


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« Reply #49 on: January 18, 2008, 11:30:26 PM »
here's a very interesting and encouraging quote I've taken from an Oregon newspaper where William Barbat alludes to the continuing pursuit of his patent

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Unknown to almost everyone, a revolutionary non-nuclear solution is being experimented with, albeit at a slow pace.

original article from the Lake Oswego News, Jan 3/08  http://www.lakeoswegoreview.com/opinion/story.php?story_id=119932570676675000


I'm still waiting for my new DSO to be delivered, meantime I'm clearing a work space for this project in my basement, and continuing to do on-line research.

Does anyone have any progress to report? I don't mind if you're sitting back waiting for me.

tak

« Last Edit: January 19, 2008, 10:40:09 PM by tak22 »

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« Reply #50 on: January 19, 2008, 01:24:16 AM »
For me this patent presents many red flags, in the first paragraph.  Sit back and read while the buzz words flow.

"Electrical oscillations in a metallic "sending coil" radiate inductive photons toward one or more "energy-magnifying coils" comprised of a photoconductor or doped semiconductor coating a metallic conductor, or comprised of a superconductor. Electrons of low inertial mass in the energy-magnifying coil(s) receive from the sending coil a transverse force having no in-line backforce, which exempts this force from the energy-conservation rule. The low-mass electrons in the energy-magnifying coil(s) receive increased acceleration proportional to normal electron mass divided by the lesser mass. Secondarily radiated inductive-photon energy is magnified proportionally to the electrons' greater acceleration, squared."

Red Flags

1) radiate inductive photons
2) Electrons of low inertial mass in the energy-magnifying coil(s) receive from the sending coil
3) transverse force having no in-line backforce, which exempts this force from the energy-conservation rule.
4) electrons in the energy-magnifying coil(s)
5) normal electron mass divided by the lesser mass.
6) Secondarily radiated inductive-photon energy is magnified proportionally to the electrons' greater acceleration, squared.

Big Bang is dead,

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« Reply #51 on: January 19, 2008, 10:57:50 PM »
@Schpankme

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For me this patent presents many red flags, in the first paragraph.  Sit back and read while the buzz words flow.

I've read your post a few times now and I'm still not sure where you're trying to get with it.  yes, there are buzz words, but they all make sense if Barbat is correct in his discovery. yes, they're all packed into the Abstract, but that's kinda how you have to write a summary.

this patent is all about creating coils with unique physical characteristics that allow for the magnifying of incident energy, and either this is true or it isn't.  no analysis of the words used or the supporting "story/history/logic/etc" that Barbat includes in the patent will mean anything until this can be shown to be true or false, and that's what I'm working towards.

@all

I think it's very significant that Barbat is publicly saying that his patent is alive and well and being pursued.

tak

we are indulging ourselves into non-existence
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« Reply #52 on: January 20, 2008, 05:58:37 AM »
I've read your post a few times now and I'm still not sure where you're trying to get with it.

tak22,

My points speak for themselves.  Please provide factual answers to the six (6) points; or concede that Barbat has engaged in Techno-Babble; and such verbiage is useless.

1) radiate inductive photons

  "So what's a Photon? or do we chalk this up to Big Bang BS ?"

2) Electrons of low inertial mass

  "How many electron types are there (low, high, medium, normal, just right" ?  You ever seen an electron ?

3) transverse force having no in-line backforce

  "is this a poor description of BEMF"?

4) electrons in the energy-magnifying coil(s)

  "more electrons have been found - HOW" ?

5) normal electron mass divided by the lesser mass
 
  "what MASS are we dividing here, what's a normal electron"?

6) radiated inductive-photon energy is magnified proportionally to the electrons' greater acceleration, squared

  "so Barbat claims to have magnified Photon energy via the square of the accelerated electrons ... how do you verify this ... see points above"


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« Reply #53 on: January 22, 2008, 12:31:55 AM »
another William Barbat sighting today, this time from the Stanford Magazine, Jan/Feb 08 issue:

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Cosmic theorist Andrei Linde missed important breakthroughs that turned some cherished theories into science fiction. Wm. G. Tifft (1976, 1977) found that the Hubble red-shift bears no resemblance to a universal Doppler shift because it is quantized, step-like. This means that the universe is not expanding or inflating and that the Big Bang never happened.

Also Shpenkov and Kreidik (2002) found that the heat source, which sustains the cosmic background radiation at the measured peak blackbody temperature of 2.725?0.002?K, must be due to radiation from the orbital electron motion of interstellar hydrogen at its fundamental period, which they calculated to be 2.7289?K. This is another face of the internal heat source, named Nullpunktenergie (Zero Point Energy) by Einstein and Stern, that keeps helium in a liquid condition at an ambient temperature near absolute zero unless a pressure of 25 atmospheres is applied to make the helium freeze solid. This perpetual low-grade heat source was described by Joseph Larmor (1897), who realized that electric charges give off radiation when their direction of acceleration is changed (like cyclotron radiation and synchrotron radiation), so that orbiting electrons must radiate energy indefinitely.

William N. Barbat, ’51, MS ’52
Lake Oswego, Oregon

Barbat appears to be impressed by Joseph Larmor as he also references him frequently in his patent.

@Schpankme

sorry, but I can't provide facts or concede that Barbat has engaged in Techno-Babble.  facts for me will appear when I see before my own eyes that I can or can't replicate anything of significance.  it will be useless to engage me in debate on the patent language or "facts" as I don't have a suitable background.  I do think I can recognize a sincere effort to present a valid patent application, and if I'm wrong, that'll be my problem.

tak

PS. got my DSO shipment notice today! it's on it's way! hurray! 

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« Reply #54 on: January 22, 2008, 04:39:44 AM »
I do think I can recognize a sincere effort to present a valid patent application, and if I'm wrong, that'll be my problem.

tak22,

Your not thinking clearly and you've dismissed the Techno-Babble as a "sincere effort to present a valid patent application".  Personally, I hope your testing is rewarding.

Best regards,

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« Reply #55 on: January 22, 2008, 10:10:50 PM »
I think the common thread in most of these devices relates to the moray device, where radium was used to dope a copper conductor in his tubes. The radium "radiates" producing an outward bias in motion like a zero threshold diode using ionization to produce the bias. Or like an amplifier tube without the heating element to produce ionization--a cold tube. How could an amp tube "amplify" without the ionizing heater element? maybe if this cuperous oxide layer could hold residual ionization for any length of time it could act in the same way, like a cold ionizing bias source. This ionization would imply high voltage in some form if this is the case.
What everyone always assumes is that these devices utilize conventional low voltage/low frequency current which is seldom if ever the case.

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« Reply #56 on: January 23, 2008, 12:58:32 AM »
A few thoughts:

1.  In the case that the photons are generated by a coil, they are RF, and the "photoconductive" property must be active in this region of the spectrum for the device to work.  Perhaps CuO has this property.

2.  I think that the low-mass electron theory is off the mark.  Instead, what may be happening is that the presence of magnetic vortices (eddy currents) in the semiconductor film may be disrupted by the absorption of photons, thereby changing the electromagnetic properties of the coil.  This allows the material to "do work" on the overall EM field configuration as it switches between the semiconducting and conducting states (or maybe it switches between p-type and n-type -- who knows?).  Ideally, the input photon energy will be far less than the energy which can be extracted from the changing B-field.

3.  This seems to be related:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6pF36PsLQOI

In this case, the photons are in the near-visible wavelength, the substrate is fiber-optic, and the layer is YBCO.

4.  For food-grade 30% H2O2, there is a company called Oxy-Tech that sells the stuff.  Just watch out, 'cause the Feds might be watching as this is a popular reagent for producing high explosives.  You might be able to find it at a health food store.  And be careful!  This stuff can really burn you.  If you do spill some on your skin, having some vitamin C crystals (also from the health-food store) on hand could save you serious skin damage.  After flushing the affected area with lots of water, pour the vitamin C onto the skin and make a paste, and repeat.  This will short-circuit the free-radical action of the peroxide.

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« Reply #57 on: February 29, 2008, 05:06:54 AM »
an update for those that might be following this project:

- purchased a DSO and am getting familiar with how to use it

- found a local plating expert to work with me on the CuO cupric oxide on copper wire problem

- once we decide on a wire treatment method I will be able to offer wire to others that may want to experiment

- purchased a selection of variable caps for the controls

- more research and learning

tak

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« Reply #58 on: July 06, 2008, 12:10:03 AM »
Hi tak22

 
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The Barbat patent is an absolutely incredible document 

Agreed. I first learned of it this morning and can't stop reading and re-reading. Thanks for the invite here. Hope I can contribute something

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« Reply #59 on: July 09, 2008, 04:59:33 AM »
Hate to post twice in a row but things are a little dead around here, so here goes.

Several mysteries with this patent

1. Why does Barbat not put his "sending coil" co-axially inside a magnifying coil made of copper tubing with a treated inside surface (photoconductive) such that all of the photonic induction can impinge on the inside surface of the magnifying coil tube.
A co-axial approach such as this would minimize radiated losses. Alternately a long copper pipe with inside surface treated and co-axial with  a wire running from end to end as the sending coil. With suitably spaced insulating washers or beads, this assembly could be wound into a coil and put into a pot core to completely contain stray fields.

2. Barbat has me confused in saying that normal transformer action is the result of photonic induction. If this is true, the photons have no trouble going through opaque insulating paper and wire varnish in a typical transformer. But then his arrangements seem to imply the photonic induction is like visible light and carefully places his devices to optimize direct illumination as if it were light.? Barbat tries to make the case that normal radio waves are the result of photonic induction into and out of antenna structures and then extends this to normal transformer action. Wikipedia seems to agree (def:photon)

3. The magnifying coil in fig.1a, 2a and 3 represent a shorted transformer winding.  This would cause extreme absorption of energy and heating of the magnifying coil. All of the energy will go to this winding in the form of heat, and nothing will be left for the output winding. Am I missing something? Now if it works, I don't mind having such a heater, but how does he get useful work into his output winding with a shorted winding absorbing everything?

Maybe Stephan could invite Mr. Barbat to this thread to explain or clarify a few (non-proprietary) things,

Some ideas:

Does anyone think this will work? Purchase some 1/4 or 3/8 O.D. copper tubing. Clean the inside by circulating a mild acid using a small pump. Rinse with water, then circulate peroxide for as long as necessary.. Rinse again with water. Should have a nice uniform oxide coating on the inside.

Now thread a cotton insulated copper wire (sending coil)  through the center of the copper tubing.  The entire assembly can be formed onto a bobbin and set into a magnetic structure such as a large ferrite pot core.

Activating the sending coil, all of the photonic induction will impinge on the photoconductor on the inside wall of the tube, as they are co-axial. This should make the assembly highly efficient.

If you like you can add the work coil to the bobbin as an outer winding on top of the magnifying coil., but as is should make a pretty good heater if the kind of gains Barbat is claiming are anywhere near true.

Another method for oxidizing copper tubing interior would be to heat the tubing, while slowly running some pure oxygen through it.

.regards............V


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