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Offline gauschor

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Re: Source of energy, Testatika
« Reply #75 on: May 23, 2011, 07:37:24 PM »
take two baloons, same size, charge one and hang it next to the other.
not touching, but near. and one will induce a like charge in the other, they will both begin to push away from one another.
now lets say that these ballons had a charge-capacity of 700V
so you charge one baloon to 700v, place it next to the other,
the baloons will create an ionized current path between them, and both find an equilibrium at approx 350V, now if this ionized air is maintained, both baloons will discharge simultaneously and twice as much current would flow out of  the discharged baloon as it normally would

Hi sm0key2,
I found your post a very interesting read (read it 3 times). However I don't agree with the balloon examples: if you put 2 balloons with different charge next to each other they will attract each other and not repell.
There indeed will happen an ionized path between them though since they want to discharge (slowly) against each other to achieve equilibrium.
But they will only repell each other if they actually touch each other (which will make equilibirum) and both still have excess charge.

The remaining hypothesis from your post sounds very logical though. So these sheets in the cans are to create a potential between each layer. And each new layer will rise the potential from the previous one.

Then you would need to put the load between the most outer sheet of can#1 to the most outer sheeter of can#2?

If "yes" this probably would not instantly discharge (the porblem we have on the wimshurst), because the inner core never loses its charge. I still wonder if the charge would be maintained through the remaining sheets... or if the potential would continuosly lose its power when a bulb is attached.
Because when a bulb is attached - I assume - the 2 outer sheets always have a potential of 0 against each other... or maybe the potential even rises.... hmmm I can only guess and speculate now...


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Re: Source of energy, Testatika
« Reply #75 on: May 23, 2011, 07:37:24 PM »

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Re: Source of energy, Testatika
« Reply #76 on: May 24, 2011, 07:49:29 PM »
 I know you guys don't know me well but I was active on another forum till my banning. I wanted to join this discussion because out of all of this threads points it occurred to me that I might have some insight to this discussion.

 I see everyone discussing positive and negatives as distinct units. I might assert that you are in error when you state this. What if there is only one charge polarity of positive and only one. It would seem that some have mistaken the point that polarity is for. If there is only one polarity of positive then it completely describes statics. You either have x units of positive or you have less. Take for example this reference. When working on the concept of the Tesla switch I learned that you can have a positive potential between two batteries and if these two batteries are of different scales or voltages you can drive your electronics between only the positives of the batteries if the negatives are connected together.

 Well this is my point I guess. What if the condensers in this example are just that. Two potential of like polarity (+) static but are of a different potential values to each other. Meaning surface charge area difference. The flow would be the same as from the example of the Tesla switch and one would not need any device to convert it since the two want to balance by natures law. It is in this balancing that we get the direction of flow and it stands to scrutiny from the many examples we know to be true about static interactions, just like in the balloon example that was stated earlier.

 You are looking for a magic bullet to convert when I think there is none to be had. Also I believe we are seriously mistaken when we think there is a negative at all. In that respect it is all a matter of reference to each point. Example: point a has 1200 units of charge and point b has 2. when referenced together one looks to be positive and the other looks to be negative but in reality they are both positive just having a difference in value when compared to each other.

 We do know that Tesla was able to design a system that used electricity to appear much like static discharges. His transformer was a great step in that direction.

 I got this while I was researching Tesla and his effect.
 
Reference: http://www.tfcbooks.com/tesla/1892-02-03.htm

 Figure 3 is the transformer but the whole thing is a good read.

 I hope this helps you guys out. If not then I am sorry for intruding to your most excellent conversation...

 One other thing of note if one wants to keep the unit from discharging then all one needs to do is let induction do it's job. Static induction works like regular induction but it is in reference to surface area and location of the source. Lets say you have a metal block and you expose it to a static source the side closest to the source will accumulate the positives that are trapped in the material to that side and the other side will indeed have a lowering of the positives making it appear to be negative. As long as a flow isn't established between the two (source and inductive material) it should stay negative on that side. I haven't figured that one out yet to utilize this process but it might be beneficial to this conversation.

 jbignes5
« Last Edit: May 24, 2011, 08:17:26 PM by jbignes5 »


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Re: Source of energy, Testatika
« Reply #77 on: February 27, 2012, 11:05:09 PM »
<copy from a german thread>

Testatika:

As I said,
In one of the videos or interviews, but I think saying that NO magnets are in the 2 large containers (which

my guess would refute the moment), but it was said that the segments were magnetized in the rotating disk -

and that it would not work without the (of course this can also be related to the grid, so that without these

Would not work "lattice trapping"). Perhaps both are important.

Since the Thestatika has 60 segments, it would mean that the capacitor is charging 60x per second. This is important

so that sufficient current density for current devices is achieved.

But also in the film speaks Thestatika the speaker believes that the charges are "ordered" to be. it
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The statement by Wolfgang reparations must never be forgotten:
"The Testatika is a high-frequency energy heat pump!"
My gut tells me that he and his team were on the right solution or not yet!

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Stefan Marinov was once told me on the phone when he was still alive and I had called him,
that are included in the back of the bottle Leidner 3kw machine loud rock crystals.

Which are then pulsed with high-voltage pulses and then emit beta radiation,
which in turn charges the Leyden jars capacitors.

One can think of it as if you skin with a hammer on the crystal
and by the beta radiation Radioactive decay doller then the hammer
is reflected.

This then leads to more energy than you for the food-high-voltage pulse
needs.

If the capacity of the Leyden jars large enough, then the voltage increases
in this capacity then continuously to between the high-voltage pulses and
You can then take a considerable current.

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Re: Source of energy, Testatika
« Reply #78 on: February 28, 2012, 01:02:09 AM »
Watch the first few seconds of this vid the vanes are running in the electric field of a high voltage pulsed coil
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g5hBsQBz7Nw




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Re: Source of energy, Testatika
« Reply #79 on: April 18, 2012, 10:25:40 AM »
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Testatika:

As I said,
In one of the videos or interviews, but I think saying that NO magnets are in the 2 large containers (which

my guess would refute the moment), but it was said that the segments were magnetized in the rotating disk -

and that it would not work without the (of course this can also be related to the grid, so that without these

Would not work "lattice trapping"). Perhaps both are important.

Since the Thestatika has 60 segments, it would mean that the capacitor is charging 60x per second. This is important

so that sufficient current density for current devices is achieved.

But also in the film speaks Thestatika the speaker believes that the charges are "ordered" to be. it
------

The statement by Wolfgang reparations must never be forgotten:
"The Testatika is a high-frequency energy heat pump!"
My gut tells me that he and his team were on the right solution or not yet!

-------

Stefan Marinov was once told me on the phone when he was still alive and I had called him,
that are included in the back of the bottle Leidner 3kw machine loud rock crystals.

Which are then pulsed with high-voltage pulses and then emit beta radiation,
which in turn charges the Leyden jars capacitors.

One can think of it as if you skin with a hammer on the crystal
and by the beta radiation Radioactive decay doller then the hammer
is reflected.

This then leads to more energy than you for the food-high-voltage pulse
needs.

If the capacity of the Leyden jars large enough, then the voltage increases
in this capacity then continuously to between the high-voltage pulses and
You can then take a considerable current.


the testatika take energy from the earth e.m.f. trough the scalar waves

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Re: Source of energy, Testatika
« Reply #80 on: April 29, 2012, 11:32:41 AM »
How will you know it takes energy from scalar waves? Can you explain a little more, because this assumption sounds very fuzzy to me.

Maybe the only trick of the machine is, that they found a way to release static electricity as continuous flow and not by a short lightning (as is the nature of static electricity). Also I recall from a written interview that Baumann himself said that the trick is to NOT let the static energy discharge itself immediately.
Though I don't know how this could be achieved. If you put a resistor in the wire it has no influence because the static electricity omitts the resistor. The static charge seems to be on the surface of the wire, in comparison to the elcetricity from batteries, which provides the flow of energy within the wire itself.
Now if there was a way to convert the static energy from the surface into the wire, it might work... Maybe this could be achieved with the magic of magnets (there were at least 2 U-shaped magnets in the Testatika), but again how should this work? I could be entirely wrong too with my way of thinking though...

Very unfortunate that no one has ever revealed the principle of the Thestatika, because I believe this device is the only one out of hundreds of so claimed overunity devices which would actually work.

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Re: Source of energy, Testatika
« Reply #81 on: April 29, 2012, 03:20:48 PM »
How will you know it takes energy from scalar waves? Can you explain a little more, because this assumption sounds very fuzzy to me.

For me the answer to this is easy. Other than the use of radioactive material (which I hope isn't the answer) what else but energy from scalar waves could account for the videos we see of 3kW continuously coming from the 3kW machine or 100W from the single disk small machine? Assuming it's not a hoax of course. (I tend to use the term vacuum energy but it's the same thing.)

Maybe the only trick of the machine is, that they found a way to release static electricity as continuous flow and not by a short lightning (as is the nature of static electricity). Also I recall from a written interview that Baumann himself said that the trick is to NOT let the static energy discharge itself immediately.

He could simply have been talking about one aspect of the machine. Since most people on seeing the testatika think Wimshurst machine where you do take electrons from the disks, he may have simply been saying that that's not the case with the testatika disks. That's the way I've always interpreted that. Plus, if you release the static electricity slowly then you don't get 3kW. Also, you had to supply the energy to build up that static electricity in the first place so that's not a solution as to how it works.
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Re: Source of energy, Testatika
« Reply #82 on: April 29, 2012, 08:32:47 PM »
Indeed, it could only be a part of the system. Also I have heard once that the electrostatics is only used to drive the discs (which is claimed in some video to have very very good bearings. Since the power of electrostatic attraction/repulsion are very weak this would be an indicator for it. And this is only possible (as well as another indicator) because the discs have no resistance, for the so called "Taster" do not touch the segments at all). Yeah, indeed the power could come from somewhere else. Or maybe they can produce scalar waves with the machine? I'm still not convinced that they take scalar waves from the earth, but rather produce them within the machine itself.

Btw. I just looked for a definition of scalar waves and found some article in peswiki which seems to be an interesting lecture for this evening: http://www.peswiki.com/index.php/OS:Tesla,_Meyl,_and_Jackson%27s_Wireless_Aetheric_Power_Transmission

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Re: Source of energy, Testatika
« Reply #83 on: April 30, 2012, 12:54:03 PM »
I did read the initial post with the balloon example. These balloons works like an electric capacitor. I did happen to experiment with a doubble capacitor many years ago. This capacitor was extracted from some military equipment back in the early 90's. This psrticular capacitor was a doubble capacitor - two capacitors in one can. When I charged one, I could take energy out of the other.


The principles of build was 4 layers of aluminium foil (For a single capacitor you need 2 layers). I experimented with this 4 layer capacitor and found that I could use this capacitor as a DC transformer. One capacitor had approx 4uF and the other 10uf - in one unit. Depending on which capacitor I charged, the other capacitor had an output voltage approx equal to the difference in capacity.


However, I also found that the energy in = energy out (approx), and the output voltage dropped when loaded, and input current stabilized at a given value at constant input voltage. I cannot remember the actual readings for current and voltage.


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Re: Source of energy, Testatika
« Reply #84 on: April 30, 2012, 07:31:58 PM »
How will you know it takes energy from scalar waves? Can you explain a little more, because this assumption sounds very fuzzy to me.

Maybe the only trick of the machine is, that they found a way to release static electricity as continuous flow and not by a short lightning (as is the nature of static electricity). Also I recall from a written interview that Baumann himself said that the trick is to NOT let the static energy discharge itself immediately.
Though I don't know how this could be achieved. If you put a resistor in the wire it has no influence because the static electricity omitts the resistor. The static charge seems to be on the surface of the wire, in comparison to the elcetricity from batteries, which provides the flow of energy within the wire itself.
Now if there was a way to convert the static energy from the surface into the wire, it might work... Maybe this could be achieved with the magic of magnets (there were at least 2 U-shaped magnets in the Testatika), but again how should this work? I could be entirely wrong too with my way of thinking though...

Very unfortunate that no one has ever revealed the principle of the Thestatika, because I believe this device is the only one out of hundreds of so claimed overunity devices which would actually work.


Like Hendershot when apply one motor at the output ,that burnig out. the type of output current is  the same: DC+HF component.the two frequency mixed together generated an third frequency in resonance with the E.E.M.F.The magnets are used to rectifing the flux.in ALL bauman's device have magnet. in the report of two engineer Sauder and Sniker Baumann make the capturing device with one magnet , one loop coil and two plates.probably the machine running in the adiacent room again.Bob  Boyce said the flux operated in 100 feet of radius....

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« Reply #85 on: May 02, 2012, 11:12:52 PM »
For me the answer to this is easy. Other than the use of radioactive material (which I hope isn't the answer) what else but energy from scalar waves could account for the videos we see of 3kW continuously coming from the 3kW machine or 100W from the single disk small machine? Assuming it's not a hoax of course. (I tend to use the term vacuum energy but it's the same thing.)

He could simply have been talking about one aspect of the machine. Since most people on seeing the testatika think Wimshurst machine where you do take electrons from the disks, he may have simply been saying that that's not the case with the testatika disks. That's the way I've always interpreted that. Plus, if you release the static electricity slowly then you don't get 3kW. Also, you had to supply the energy to build up that static electricity in the first place so that's not a solution as to how it works.
-Steve
http://rimstar.org/sdenergy/testa


If you see the video of dieter dienst (d.d.interview luzi cathomen) at min 3:57 he ask about the cilindrical object in front.the KEY of the device is in that component!!! probably bifilar coil drived with 2 frequency.the first machine  build of baumann in the jail is made from scrap material....The energy go down from the sky (remember the words of steven mark!!) and is colllectorized/ rectified from magnet and coil.only this.the problem is the correct frequencies for the magnetic collection.Started from electrostatic charge,run itself from motor drived with one part of the energy rectified from the upper cilindrical object (made from magnet and coil -like potentiometer- and 2 high power resistor for short out the spikes).the motor in the rear side probably had the armature build of aluminium for reduce the focoult currents.if you oriented the machine E/W it stop to work.WHY???? .........

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« Reply #86 on: May 03, 2012, 04:20:09 AM »

If you see the video of dieter dienst (d.d.interview luzi cathomen) at min 3:57 he ask about the cilindrical object in front.the KEY of the device is in that component!!! probably bifilar coil drived with 2 frequency.the first machine  build of baumann in the jail is made from scrap material....The energy go down from the sky (remember the words of steven mark!!) and is colllectorized/ rectified from magnet and coil.only this.the problem is the correct frequencies for the magnetic collection.Started from electrostatic charge,run itself from motor drived with one part of the energy rectified from the upper cilindrical object (made from magnet and coil -like potentiometer- and 2 high power resistor for short out the spikes).the motor in the rear side probably had the armature build of aluminium for reduce the focoult currents.if you oriented the machine E/W it stop to work.WHY? ??? .........


Maybe its so simple that no one thinked about it, see that, its not related to testatika, http://www.angelfire.com/ak5/energy21/capacitorcharger.htm
but after re-seeing the [size=78%]video that stephan put today on youtube, I got this light up in my brain :) and re-thinking about it, I think all the small cylinders are just like car ignition coil that take up the high voltage and the current drop voltage and with the back-emf are returned as current, now how its connected its maybe as simple as this drawing from the link. Just the negative static side on the negative side of the coil and the positive static charge on the positive side of the coil, but as well something like a sparkplug or just spacing between wire to generate the spark. This can be all together in the small cylinder, the big cylinder are just big caps that is used to make the wheel turn using the current from maybe just one of the coil.[/size]
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Re: Source of energy, Testatika
« Reply #87 on: May 03, 2012, 06:39:41 PM »
That is indeed an interesting article. That said, I have also tried to pulse a battery with sparks from my electrostatic device, but it wasn't successful in charging up the battery. Maybe I should have tested longer. I mean, there must be some truth to it, if it worked dozens of years ago. I also didn't use a large coil, but directly pulsed it from the Wimshurst device. Now I think the energy was way too less (maybe around 2 KV per spark and probably the charge had only pico or nano amperage) too charge the battery. A large coil would build up much more charge and would deliver much higher amperage per discharge. Obviously this is necessary anyway to charge a battery. I've read recently that today's battery chargers all work that way, like brutal stoneage: the device with more energy pushes its charge into the other device. So yeah, it actually makes sense to have good long antenna which will discharge a huge load and pushes it into the battery.

Though if the principle of the Thestatika was based on this they must have configured and perfectionized in remarkable way. For all in all the battery in the above mentioned article took at least 2-3 days to charge up again.

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« Reply #88 on: May 03, 2012, 07:17:31 PM »
The article is good, I think its possible to do something on the line with a Wimshurst, I will for sure try it this summer but to many stuff to do right now, need to do one thing at the time :)[/size]

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With Wimshurst, I don't think you need a battery, the idea is to self run the device at first using sparkplug/wire space, ignition coil and caps, the testatika is a big device, its should generate a lot of static charge, I dont know the energy you can extract from it, maybe some but I dont think all the town where the testatika is located, is powered by only one machine, I beleive one can generate less then 1kw, prob few hundred watts. Unless they have made a very big one and the smaller one was just to show...[/size]


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Re: Source of energy, Testatika
« Reply #89 on: May 05, 2012, 07:36:25 PM »
Some years ago I made a Wimshurst (actually not a Wimshurst, but a Toepler device with 1 disc) , which had 8 or 16 iron plate segments on the rotating disc. The plates were quite large with about 10x16 square centimeters. If you got electrocuted by touching this plate with a finger the pain was much stronger compared to my other device with small segments only. It really hurt, so be careful. The lightnings were only very short but once you saw it discharge you got a very thick intense lightning. I guess this would have charged up a battery.

It is as someone else described:
small segments create higher voltage / less amperage
large segments create lower voltage / higher amperage

Unfortunately the larger the segment is, the longer it takes to charge it. I wonder if this is essential in regards to the Thestatika: if a large coil is better to hold a charge or if you use metal sheets instead? I am not sure what they used in the Thestatika... sometimes it looks like they have huge coils in their mysterious cylinders, but on the other side it is told that had multiple perforated (copper?) sheets within these cylinders. It would actually make sense to use metal sheets only, because it would deliver more amperage. The one thing that is mysterious is, how could they charge the sheets so fast?

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