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Offline Motorcoach1

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Re: Source of energy, Testatika
« Reply #60 on: January 05, 2008, 11:03:16 PM »
@ Allcanadian - when i read about the machine I was working on another project and was studying atmospheric conditions and anomalies in the static feild. this is most helpfull in understanding the appradious and Teslas radient energy. in building and testing parts of the machine and reading all I can , Steven was most helpful in this area of the disks on his web site. now that I have tested and look more closely at the photos of the working machine I get better understanding of it's workings. The thing I had not taken into concideration was the tower in the back of the mounting of the disks and the bearing mounts. now I belive in this post or tower holding the disks , is the drive system and ,maybe a belt like a vanDegraph like setup to increase the ion output to the center of the disks. if this is the case then on my next test I'll use blank CD's as collestors on the bearing hubs as collectors to the large flat disk area. In the photos of the working Model from Testanika I noticed that the front disk has no shaft mount so this is brought from the tower as the bearing mount and the back disk floats on it own bearing , so to spin in the oppisit direction. the front disk has a flat hub and a grid in front of it , this may be a ion feed to the center as the belt in the back feeds the ion feild to the center hubs and holds them in the 0 point vortex that is created like in a tornato ( high + charge ) the negative charges flow to the outer regins of the disks at this point (natural migration of the partical)  I hope this may help you in your design and expieriments. At this time I'm only involved in getting the best results from the Wimhurst part of the machine. and the next step will be the convertion of the static feild to useable tension. as soon as my glass gets here I'll be building the latenjars and testing them seperatly , I don't want to accidently electricute meself  :o that would mess up my whole day. Mike    PS i'll post my results as I move on,  Thank you

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Re: Source of energy, Testatika
« Reply #61 on: January 09, 2008, 12:15:46 AM »
Whalla - you can easily see that you've put into the machine approx 1 / 216th of the required energy to melt the stel balls.
(using the 8g steel balls i melted with a 9v battery)

now, obviously the energy is comming from the ions in the air, and the energy i put into the system was from the 9v battery, but the energy comming OUT of the system is exponentially greater tan the energy put in.

Dont make this more complicated than it truly is. The ONLY reason we dont use these mahcine to power the entire planet is we cannot figure out how to convert it into usable electricity,. the stuff sparks jumps, burns, and leaks out all over the place.

If anyone knows how methernithia is converting this stuff

If you can do what you just said, then you can use a 9 volt battery to melt a large number of iron balls, dropping the molten metal into water, convert steam to electricity, and remove the cooled metal and melt it again (use the same metal in perpetuity).  You have already achieved OU.  Even if this steam generator is only 0.4% efficient. (Considering the first reaction 21,600% efficient)

The reason why we can't figure out how methernithia is converting this stuff is because they probably aren't.

Next time in Switzerland I will personally drive to methernithia and check to see if their homes are connected to the grid.  If so, this is a hoax folks.

Great ideas though.

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Re: Source of energy, Testatika
« Reply #62 on: January 09, 2008, 06:01:32 PM »
@spooner
Melting metal balls ? I don't think so  ???, fortunately a man named Nikola Tesla solved this problem you seem to be having on November 3, 1891. I want you to think about that date 1891, that's 117 years ago, this problem of what to do with a high potential "static" DC source was solved 117 years ago! I have attached 2 pictures, one is Teslas original patent and the other is modified so everyone can understand how easy this is. In the modified picture the inductance can be a step down transformer OR an electric motor. In case your not getting this I will explain, the HV jumps the spark gap into a resonant tank circuit (C, C)and oscillates (AC), the energy flow is unidirectional into the tank circuit, the tank circuit frequency is determined by the values L (inductance) and C (small capacitance), an LC resonant circuit. What no one has considered is the DURATION of the AC oscillation in this circuit, how long a single HV impulse would oscillate back and forth in this circuit, remember we are dealing with tens of thousands of volts.
Now tell me how technologically advanced we are, tell me how everything is understood, I don't think so---- we have a lot to learn.

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Re: Source of energy, Testatika
« Reply #63 on: January 12, 2008, 06:21:24 AM »
I find some interresting video about the same guys that make the rotor magnet showed yesturday

He his able to convert the static electricity to mechanical by moving a rotor http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ZVCXAxoIDo&NR=1
maybe its one of the way to convert the spark in some usable energy

Do you have any more info on this youtube video you mentioned? It seems the user removed the video.

Here is a patent that mentions static conversion using a rotor
http://india.bigpatents.org/view/27904/d1edbf7f239


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Re: Source of energy, Testatika
« Reply #64 on: January 12, 2008, 09:26:23 AM »
gesssb hhoo well some one had to figure it iut for them NASA guys harhar

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Re: Source of energy, Testatika
« Reply #65 on: January 26, 2008, 01:35:10 AM »
Hello group,

Very impressive flow happening here!

Adressing the thoughts of converting the static E field to a usable current that can deliver E x I = P actual power to a closed circuit.
I would consider the output cases on the two outer sides of the device very carefully, not as capacitors but more like Joe Cells or Morray tubes.
The spacing between tubes can become very criticle for the transfer of torsion operating between them.

Somewhere I saw a diagram of these portraid as concentric rings of even spacing, with a stack of toroidal coils down the center at even spacing. As this begins to resemble more the Morray tube with concentric tubes at specific distance, I feel it note worthy to point out some of the research I am involved in. The laden jar idea reflects a capacitor without regard to the spacing between concentric tubes as having an actual effect on the torsion of the system. Setting the E field into a rotation would seem the only way, but also possibly setting the torsion at the correct angle to interact with the voltage to produce an actual rotating EM wave of some kind.

You guys have identified the keys here I believe, and even something as simple as a current transformer can be used to produce incredible high voltages, with no ability to deliver current to a load. This is a donut of ferrite around a conductor with coils of wire on it, with opened circuit the voltage will skyrocket.

http://magnetism.fateback.com/Matrix.htm

Here is some data we have collected on spacing that gives some kind of torsion effects yet to be conclusivly evaluated by combining it with voltage. I feel at this point that identification of the torsion field is one of the parts we are missing in the alternate energy field.

Hope this stimulates some more thought!

Thanks,
Dave L

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Re: Source of energy, Testatika
« Reply #66 on: July 27, 2009, 12:03:16 PM »
the problem is, the background radiation is not that big here in earth to convert it
to Watts of power in a local point.
I'd say the neutrino radiation it's quite dense and powerful on Earth. The problem is that it's very hard to intercept neutrinos

Without charge and without mass  neutrinos show hardly any interactions with matter and as a consequence they possess the enormous ability of penetration - as is well-known. They are said to participate in the ,,weak interaction", which should trigger a conversion of the concerned particles, which is their decay. Pauli already has postulated the neutrino 1930 theoretically, because the transition from a half-integer spin to an integer spin for the n0 decay otherwise wouldn't have been explicable.

Making a transmitter or a device that can capture neutrinos can prove quite a challenge since the neutrinos don't interact with anything because of their properties. However, the neutrino flux coming from the Sun (and not only) is quite large (67 billion neutrinos /cm^2) and can become a viable power source if correctly intercepted.

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Re: Source of energy, Testatika
« Reply #67 on: September 01, 2009, 09:39:35 PM »
However, the neutrino flux coming from the Sun (and not only) is quite large (67 billion neutrinos /cm^2) and can become a viable power source if correctly intercepted.

Maybe this is why the earth inner mass never gets cold and builds Lava and
the earth is growing in size cause this huge mass of the earth is slowing down the Neutrinos
and converts them to mass and heats the earth´s inner mass  up ?

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Replying to Hartiberlin & Overmind, I have to say that I have focus my researches with the hypothesis that maybe the origin & source of the energy came from the neutrino radiation, and what is called the "Waterfall of electrons", which supposedly takes place inside the coil of the linden experiment. What we have really clear by the way, is that supposing that the result of the Linden Experiment is true, and lets have faith and assume that, and that's it, the 700 V output, we are pretty sure that the effect should be a resonant effect.

By the way, I truly recommend to everyone, the lecture of Scalar Waves by Konstantin Meyl, which you can read herehttp://www.scribd.com/doc/24773695/Konstantin-Meyl-Scalar-Waves. According to professor's Meyl researches, the electron is a spherical vortex potential, which 511 Kv fall potential from its center to its surface. That's why upper this limit, the High Voltage Transmission presents deep losses, due to the fact that every electron under this high voltage falls in ring like vortex that physics known as the beta decay (it's not exactly this, but for our purpose would be). Just in this crucial moment, and that's the point of what I want to say, the electrons transforms themselves into neutrinos or scalar waves, and thats is the sea of energy in which we all live, & the truly manifestation of the Radiant Energy. This high voltages are pretty easy to find in the surface of the stars, & it seems that the plasma have certain resonant property, & could absorb part of this "elusives" particles. That's why Earth's inner core presents always this high temperatures, which is the most by the way mysterious unsolved problem in geology, and that why the earth grown & grown, as Hartiberlin referred in a previous post, due to this neutrino radiation (aprox 66 billion neutrinos per cm2).

According to professor Meyl, Scalar waves have a critical point of resonance. That's why the seek of this frequencies, became crucial. ABSOLUTELY CRUCIAL. I beg to anyone who read this post, to give certain kind of information about this possible frequencies.

Some clues.
Neutrinos are practically massless. Contrary, electrons are 0,511 Mev, & all this energy should be taken over by the neutrino, according to E = mc2 Einstein relation. But is not clear enough, that if in this conversion, the Einstein's relation is applicable for the electron-neutrino conversion, but also vice-versa, that's it, what we are looking for, the desired neutrino to electron conversion, or what is called "the waterfall of electrons".

That's why I concluded that if these assumptions are true, the seek of free energy from magnetic motors, like Newman's, Bedinis etc... became absolutely ruled out, not only for the low COPs they present, but also for the amount of batteries needed, in order to catch the radiant spikes, & store them as negative energy. You may wonder why I'm so sure about this. Well, I have to say that I saw a machine constructed apparently under this principle, in the house of a very enigmatic old men, in the remote town of Cehegin, in Spain. This man, named Honorio Perez Picasso, who presumes in his own words to be practically illiterate, construct a very bizarre machine, that gives and incredible outputs of three-phase 380 Volts of al least 15 Kw & probably much more. This old men, didn't gave to me many clues, or I must say, no clue, or relevant information (typic off all the inventors, keep their secrets to the tomb). If someone's interest in this case, could see this links (in spanish);

http://www.lusired.net/ea4eiu/index.htm?docs%5Cvar%5Ccurios%5CRF-AC.txt
http://www.cochevolador.es/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=36

Sorry for my horrible english, but I mailed from Barcelona, & the amount of information, the staggering difficulty to resume & to understand these, added to my difficulty to translate all of this in a language which is not my native language at all, makes me literally "burn my head".

I hope you will understand me.

At last, Pg 323 325 of scalar waves, regarding to Testatika.

15.9 The Testatika
An electrostatic device, which produces open electric field lines, is situated in Linden in
Switzerland. It optically is very imposing and belongs to a religious community, which
has called it Testatika and is of the opinion that it is a free energy converter.
Inexplicably the Testatika does not serve the community, which generates their electric
power conventionally and to a large extent by itself, as a source of energy. Instead the 2
kW device only very seldom is demonstrated for special occasions or to select groups of
visitors. The religious community after that explains the astonished observers humanity
not yet is mature for the technology.
Perhaps just the opposite is correct and the technology not yet is mature. According to my
personal assessment such an electrostatic device in principle is entirely unsuitable for the
continuous operation.
It can be expected that the open field lines sooner or later will interrelate with the
electricity of the air and thunderstorms are being attracted by the infernal machine so long
until lightning strikes and the demonstration with that has finished. That's why the
Testatika may be switched on only for a short time, only at sure weather situation and not
too humid air, and many a registered visitor has been sent away without having seen the
"thunderstorm machine".
As an object of demonstration and study the Testatika however is well suited. Alone the
circumstance that no cable leads to the device and it nevertheless releases energy in the
order of magnitude of 1 till 2 kW, surprises all visitors. At least the impression is mediated
as if the machine would violate the law of conservation of energy, which is not correct.
The Testatika is similar to an induction machine, which works with friction electricity.
Thereby the unlikely charged bodies do not have to unconditionally touch and rub at each
other, it already is sufficient, if they are brought in the immediate vicinity of each other. In
the case of the Testatika the electrostatics of two against one another rotating discs is
taken off by brushes.
The excitation energy presumably is taken out of the natural E-field, which just like that
can amount to 200 Volts per meter (see chapter 2.9). The large diameter of 80 cm of the
discs and their bad conductivity (acrylic glass) permit this conclusion. The charge taken
off by the brushes afterwards is temporarily stored in two capacitors of 2 Farad at 300
Volt, so-called Leyden jars. This far one actually is reminded of a Wimhurst generator, in
which the energy is supplied the system by turning the disc. Large powers cannot be
drawn by that. Plans to build such an induction machine by yourself have been
published<i>.
In the case of the Testatika however two discs are used and by hand stimulate to rotate
oppositely. This rotational energy in this case isn't used to produce power, otherwise the
discs quickly would stand still again, but that doesn't happen.
Until now apparently no-one has discovered the secret, which is kept strict by the
members of the community. In my opinion the energy situation on our earth however is
too serious, as that we would be able to afford playing hide-and-seek and egoistical
secretiveness.

15.10 The secret of the Testatika
The crucial point is the opposite direction of rotation of both discs. If we assume the static
earth electric field is the cause and serves as an excitation field, then as an effect a field
arises, which stands perpendicular to that. The axial component now points out of the
centre of the disc.
In the case of only one disc the field lines in front and behind the disc again are closed, so
that no open lines can form. With one disc or with two discs rotating in the same direction
hence no unknown charges can be attracted.
In the case of two oppositely rotating discs however shows one component along the axis
of rotation to the observer, that of the other disc exactly in the opposite direction. In that
way between both discs a pole is ,,pinned", which no longer is able to close all field lines
on the outside around the machine. Thus open field lines and a, however incomplete,
unipolar arrangement are formed.
The charge carriers sucked from the electricity of the air as a result support the natural
electrostatics and speedy recharge the capacitors, even if up to 10 Amperes are taken out
by the consumers.
The ingenious thing of the machine is its extremely simple construction and the simple
concept.
If one includes the collected particles also in the balance sheet of energy, then it thus will
turn out that the law of conservation of energy is not violated at all. There thus can't be
talked of free energy. In this context the Testatika may rather be given as a
counterexample. Air ions are the carriers of the electricity of the air and not carriers of
free energy.
Negative air ions are indispensable for our welfare. One should only remember the first
men in space, who after the landing were pulled out of their capsule more dead than alive,
after they had to stay in the unhealthy atmosphere of the capsule for a longer period of
time. Only the installation of ionising devices for negative air ions made possible longer
staying in space.
The taking out of the air of negative ions hence is not unproblematic and not particularly
ecologically compatible. An atmosphere harmful to life is formed which Dr. Wilhelm
Reich has called DOR-state. He by the way has designed a Cloud-Buster, with which he
could take static electricity, forming above the desert sand, out of the air. In that way the
negatively charged rain clouds no longer are repelled and driven away. Reich has tested
his weather machine 1954 in the desert of Arizona. After he had freed the atmosphere of
the ,,DOR-strain", as he expressed himself, in the desert area the atmospheric humidity
steadily increased from 15% up to 95%, there grew prairie grass and everything started to
turn green, and eventually after many years for the first time rain fell again.
Static electricity, as far as the right polarity is chosen, may conditionally be used for the
mechanics of rain making. For free energy concepts it however isn't suitable. Already
Nikola Tesla has pointed to the circumstance that our hopes will be in vain if the free
energy would be of static nature (see fig. 9.5). He in his speech, which he gave 1891
before the AIEE, has left no doubt that free energy exists, which is kinetic and with that
energy technically usable for us,.
Chapter 16 will be occupied solely with this case<i>.


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Re: Source of energy, Testatika
« Reply #69 on: January 11, 2010, 03:17:08 PM »
Don't know if anyone mentioned it already, but could it be that the Testatika simply puts its electrostatic charges via a spark gap into a tesla coil (such as the pictures of jorge resines show), transforming it into high frequency and therefore probably getting enough to light a bulb?

Or would that even work in theory?

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Re: Source of energy, Testatika
« Reply #70 on: January 11, 2010, 03:41:15 PM »
Don't know if anyone mentioned it already, but could it be that the Testatika simply puts its electrostatic charges via a spark gap into a tesla coil (such as the pictures of jorge resines show), transforming it into high frequency and therefore probably getting enough to light a bulb?

Or would that even work in theory?

Sure, but some step in the sequence you mention has to tap into an energy source otherwise it wouldn't keep running.
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Re: Source of energy, Testatika
« Reply #71 on: March 23, 2010, 02:30:33 PM »
So, long time no actualisation here... I have investigated some pictures again and tried to
Determine what is *not* important on the device regarding conversion into electricity: (sorry, this stuff is maybe old for most of you)

Linden Experiment: I think everyone has read Potters claim that he thinks the Testatika uses an electrode avalanche effect. But of course this is no big help, since an avalanche effect takes place already if you'll get a spark breakthrough between 2 electrodes. There is plenty of avalanches in this whole device...
The one possible additional function I can think of is that the cable wound around the magnet shall show that Baumann uses a resonant circuit. But then again.. isn't this effect only for smoothing the electricity? Therefore it could be "skipped".
This U-shaped magnet with Copper/Plexiglass/Alu capacitors in between the latest Testatika pictures could be "irrelevant" to the function of the Testatika because: the very first Testatika worked without such U-shaped magnets. The yellow marked areas in the picture below are only for driving the disc by electrostatic push and pull principles (besides that the electrostatic charge is also the power source).
Also you certainly remember Potters picture showing about 20 cylindrical aluminium +1 copper sheet in the large can. But then look again at the very first Testatika device: I don't think that Baumann put 20 sheets into this small cylinder. It doesn't fit in my opinion. Instead he put in something small with a principle we don't understand but which amplifies the current. Maybe a row of magnet rings in it causing quenched spark gaps (like Potter has shown on his sketch)?

To determine which parts of the device are really important:
The main conversion must take place in these 2 mystic cylinders. If you look on the left can you see some copper through the grid, so there could be a huge transformer coil. But if you look on the right cylinder you don't see a coil, but somehow dark hexagon like openings under the grid. The question is what happens really in them?

What I want to say by that paragraph is, that I guess, all the later Testatikas are only improved versions and make people more confused than necessary. It is the small Testatika that must be disclosed first. Although this is not possible so easy...

I'm adding: I always wondered how it can work that you produce 1 pole (+) on the left can and the other pole (-) on the other can. If you had a common step down transformer in 1 cylinder that would be charged via a sparkgap you would get AC as the result. So with a rectifier you would already receive DC. But what for is the second can then?


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« Reply #72 on: March 24, 2010, 12:17:40 AM »
I'm adding: I always wondered how it can A that you produce 1 A (+) on the left can and the other pole (-) on the other can. If you had a common step down transformer in 1 cylinder that would be charged via a sparkgap you would get AC as the result. So with a rectifier you would already receive DC. But what for is the second can then?

I can see the reason for two cans and in fact was thinking about the problem this morning. But it has to do with my particle creation via vacuum energy idea:
 http://rimstar.org/sdenergy/vacuum_energy
and so there is no rectifier or step down transformer.

To do some basic tests of my idea I realized that Aaron Murakami's EV Gray tube circuit, matches exactly the process that would happen if my idea were right. See the first attached diagram below, Aaron's circuit modified to use a Van de Graaff machine. According to my idea, C2's voltage must be built up so that the grid (the dashed lines beside the rod in the tube) will have sufficient negative charge so that when the spark gap between the two rods fires, a bunch more negative particles are created from vacuum energy in the grid's holes. But then this sudden increased negative charge on the grid causes an arc between the grid and the rod and C2 is discharged. This also results in a large current in the coil. However, we've lost the voltage on C2 and have to build it up again before the effect can repeat.

What'd be nice is if we could have a circuit that allows the effect without C2 becoming discharged as a result. Basically we want to isolate the vacuum energy side of the circuit from the driving circuit. The two cans of the testatika may be doing that. See the second attached diagram below.

In this case the output cylinders are electrically isolated from anything else in the cans. According to my current idea, under control of the other stuff, one of the output cylinders would have positive charges created from vacuum energy while the other output cylinder would have negative charges created from vacuum energy. When this happens there would be current through the load. Meanwhile, the other stuff would retain it's charge - though it would of course be temporarily redistributed during the particle creation event.

So the purpose of the cans may be for purposes of isolating the output flow part of the circuit from the driving part.

More on the EV Gray circuit here (and more to come):
 http://rimstar.org/sdenergy/ev_gray/ev_gray_van_de_graaff_01.htm
More on particle creation in the testatika here:
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Re: Source of energy, Testatika
« Reply #73 on: April 22, 2010, 01:51:11 PM »
I want to hijack this thread, because I'm thinking that this could be the source of energy from the thestatica. Yesterday I stepped upon the "Magnet Resonance Amplifier" http://peswiki.com/index.php/Directory:Magnetic_Resonance_Amplifier From all theories I've seen, this one looks like the most probable as the source of energy of the Thestatika.

If you read the article you see, that they claimed to gain about 5 times output compared to the input. Someone also claimed to achieved 3KW out of 290milliWatts using an input power of only 10V AC having about 29µA, which remembers me of the Thestatika a lot. If you ever tried to measure output power from a Wimshurst machine, it's about in the same area of microAmperage. This could fit perfectly.

Also I remember that Baumann was a clockbuilder (hint: he has knowledge on how to use Quarz Crystals, Piezoelectricity/Frequencies) and there are rumors which claimed that he gained deep knowledge of magnets by a "Magnet-Guru" => both parts combined he probably found out what is claimed to be the "Magnetic Resonance Amplifier" (MRA).

I think there are 2 ways to build a Thestatika out of it:
1. Either you use a piezo crystal the way it is shown in the MRA sketch
2. Or you need to emulate the piezo crystal via an amount of spools and capacitors

I don't know which one he used, and also it could be that I am misinterpreting something on my associations shown on the picture attached. In my interpretation I think that the electrostatic charge is mostly used for driving the discs (using electrostatic attraction and repulsion), an nothing more. Only a small amount of electrostatic charge is collected from the discs and used to create a frequency by using some (not understandable) arrangements of coils and capacitors. As you know - when collecting the electrostatic charge it's the same like a small spark gap, although mostly not visible. A spark gap always has major frequencies in it (so it's not only 60 Hertz e.g. 1 Hertz/Segment of the disc), but much more. In the sketch below it is suggested to use a signal of 20-40Khz. In my theory he then either uses a piezo crystal or an "Emulation" construction to create the same effect like the piezo with a certain frequency. This frequency enables to tap the energy from the magnets, therefore causing stronger induction than usual. What exactly happens with this Piezo - I don't know, but it looks very essential.

Please feel free to add your comments. I am currently considering to build this MRA, but must find the appropriate parts yet...


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Re: Source of energy, Testatika
« Reply #74 on: May 23, 2011, 05:47:20 PM »
i'm attaching a crude diagram to help explain this a little.

in their simplest form, as described by Paul, these components appear to serve an important function, not only as the devices "leyden jars/caps" but also in limiting the voltage maximums, and boosting the available current flow.

now, when i first approached this problem, i had made all sorts of falce assumptions concerning the induced polarities within the different layers of the cans.

experimentation has since proven that the cans must be all one polarity. a negative can, and a positive can.
the +/- labeling is in regards to the direction of current in his circuit through the machine. Thus the polarity marked at the center input of the cans is their respective polarity.

essentially, the center of the coil is the initial charged-conductor.
this has a voltage and charge-capacitance function, which places the first liminting boundary on the incomming spark.

this is where, not only size, but relative/proportional surface area comes into play. When you place a charged conductor in close proximity to an uncharged conductor, it will induce a charge in the secondary conductor, equalling/balancing itself with the original charge.
there is an ionization of the air between the two conductors,
(a plasma forms above a certain threshhold)
and energy is transfered from one conductor to the other through this ionized pathway.

this process is important because, each concentric ring through the can has a higher charge-capacitance than the ring before it.
meaning it freely accepts the ionization from its previous ring.

but also, the larger surface area allows the conductor to discharge more rapidly (increasing the current)
so the relative voltage sits at around or slightly less than the charge-potential of the center conductor (coil).  each successive layer will induce a similar charge, with more available current.

what interesting to note is that once the initial induction occurs,
then cans don't "discharge", and it appears that the current flow is not comming from the actual charge conductors (leyden jars) but from the source of the actual charge separation, through the electrostatic device. meaning that the ionic path established equally at both intput and outputs, is allowing the current to flow, irrespective to charge/discharge/sparks/ect.. 

in fact, im prepared to support a hypothesis, that when the machine is operational, there are no sparks at all anywhere in the system,
that it is operating under a unique condition of a steady ionized-flow into, through and out of the machine.
tapping straight into the source of the charge imbalance the machine is harvesting.

the only sparks that should manifest themselves, are when you first plug into an external circuit. because the rest of the machine maintains a conductive pathway like a solid wire of ionic-current




take two baloons, same size, charge one and hang it next to the other.
not touching, but near. and one will induce a like charge in the other, they will both begin to push away from one another.
now lets say that these ballons had a charge-capacity of 700V
so you charge one baloon to 700v, place it next to the other,
the baloons will create an ionized current path between them, and both find an equilibrium at approx 350V, now if this ionized air is maintained, both baloons will discharge simultaneously and twice as much current would flow out of  the discharged baloon as it normally would

charge-capacitance is not necessiarily affected by mass,. but more-so by surface area.

a larger surface area can hold more "charge". this is effectively measured in voltage, because the charged conductor is acting as a capacitor or sorts.

current only comes into play when you are discharging. now, what if you aren't discharging? but rather constantly sustaining the charge, like the inside and outside of a van-de-graff globe?

what is missing from the methernitha videos? when you look at or hear recordings of these devices, and compare them to every other device that resembles it?  the pigeon, the whimshurst, hte electrophorous, ect..... what is missing?

Sparks. popping, flashing, the periodic "zap" "zap" "zap"

this is because theres no charge/discharge cycle, the entire system sets up an ionic flow from the disk collectors to the output terminals.

so in the collection of ions, it is a lot like Wimshurst/pigeon machines
but it the circuitry, it is much more like the direct-ion flow that is utilized in the Van-De-Graff machines.

think of the cans in terms of multiple, or a multi-layered capacitor(s).


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