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Offline allcanadian

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Re: Source of energy, Testatika
« Reply #45 on: December 15, 2007, 07:35:10 PM »
@ smOky2
I think you may be right on the money, If you look at the major components we see a static generator and caps(leyden jars), and we are told this device powers conventional devices infering conventional current. Knowing this it seems obvious there must be some component that must convert what we percieve as "static" charges into electric current. As far as I know the only difference between static electricity and conventional current is that conventional current has a magnetic field associated with it, so I think the whole machine and its operation must revolve around one single component that will allow moving static charges to interact with a magnetic field producing a "changing" magnetic field or electric current. To me personally it seems very odd that this is the single component nobody wants to talk about, everyone seems to have this preoccupation with the static components which are know technologies, that is we understand exactly how they work. With Tesla circuits we can produce static charges of any potential as well, but they give very little indication of how one might go about using these high potentials to produce electric current and tangible work. Currently my goal is to find this one single answer as to how static charges can produce a changing magnetic field in the most efficient manner, If I can answer this one question I think all these OU technologies operation will become obvious.
Do any of you guys have any thoughts on how this could be done?

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Re: Source of energy, Testatika
« Reply #45 on: December 15, 2007, 07:35:10 PM »

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Re: Source of energy, Testatika
« Reply #46 on: December 15, 2007, 09:38:47 PM »

The problem is I believe that testatika machine is a simply a wimhurst machine with an RF radio frequence high
efficiency voltage downconverter. This converts static electricity (electrical potential energy) to 300+ VDC current by
stepping it down via RF transformers. High efficiency means preserving the volts x amps or power relationship of the
signal while stepping it down. The RF oscillator and probably rectifier are built as the purpose built one vacuume
tube oscillator with the static electric voltage applied to the plate circuit of the vacumme tube. Static electricity
is a group of electrons that move together as a group and *that movement constitutes a small current*. Standard
electricity is electrodynamic current. What is being covered up here is that there are probably no other special
components for doing any overunity operations other then the wimshurst machine itself in the testatika machine.
By the way the horseshoe magnets with the wire wrapped around them and plexiglass capacitors are not secret
energy converters - they regulate the power level of the device and are part of a Variable frequency oscillator that
keeps the machine operating at it's tuned RF reasonant sweet spot. If the power inside the machine starts to go
up the VFO causes the RF operating frequency to go up and the machine is no longer operating at most
efficient reasonace sweet spot. Antenna keys keep the machines from syncronizing with each other and other
processes so they can remove generated energy effectivelty.


I believe;

Wimshurst static electric generator machine are inheriently Coefficient of Output Power greater than one
which use the environments internal power flows rather than ZPE zero point energy to function. Almost this is certainly true
because some people have used and long antenna like wire to stimulate the enviroment to give back even more
static energy to wimshurst machines. Wimshurst machine operate by means of static electric "recruitment of charge". Another
post in this forum shows a high power wimshurst machine running in someones living room that almost certainly would have COP
greater than one. I could see him lighting a big cluster of flourescent lamp tubes and collecting the resultant light with photocell
strips and running a small electric motor to turn the wheels of his machine. There are about five different ways to downconvert
static electric charge to lower voltage electrodynamic current and the testatika machine runs one of them. It must be noted
that using greater than 10K VDC on the plates of a vacuume tube will result in the generation of soft x-rays which will need
to be sheilded, if one attempts what the testatika machine does with modern circuits. Some people talk about trying to use
a Van De Graf generator for this purpose rather than wimshurst , but a Van De Graf generator uses a high voltage
power supply to inject static charges onto a belt. This makes the resultant stored voltages even higher which simply makes
downconverting to low voltages much harder.


Think of thermal heatpump heating system. The heat from a wide area is collected together via a fan then is made to
flow in a freon line. COP overunity flows are not a problem to science. If you want even more energy you run a geothermal
line through the ground to collect more heat energy to it. The reason you do not see self runing thermal systems is
that heat engines for low temperature thermal streams are very inefficient due to Carnots Law.  The Wimshusrt machine works
that same way except that the energy is electrons stripped from ionized matter during charge recruitment. The difference is
that wimshurst electrostatic potential energy is nearly electrodynamic current as it is, that simply needs to be converted
relatively efficienctly and have some it turn the machine. Then you will have a self running system. The only problem then is
that you will be to be careful of environmental "return flows" that happen automatically to neutralize the ionized matter.

So the design of the testatika machine while quite advanced for 1924 or whenever it was initially designed but I'll bet money
that it contains no other overunity secrets other than the Wimshurst static machine have COP>1 environmental energy flows
to produce overunity operation. People with radical theories of operation do nothing but obscure that true facts and this is why
most people claim that MIB's spread disinformation. Conservation of energy violations are limited to ZPE devices like magnetic
motors - seen any of those demonstrated recently? I repeat laws against propetual motion do not apply to environmental energy
flows...know your overunity.

:MarkS.Coffman

   

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Offline allcanadian

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Re: Source of energy, Testatika
« Reply #47 on: December 15, 2007, 10:09:11 PM »
@mscoffman
Now thats the kind of explanation I wanted to hear, something that has a ring of commen sense to it . I think Im going to have to do some more experiments in that direction, do you have any opinions on the best down-converter? I wonder if a person could use a DC/DC converter to drop the voltage?

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Re: Source of energy, Testatika
« Reply #48 on: December 16, 2007, 12:28:54 AM »
Hi folks,
I wondered if i might be able to adapt my contraption to convert the static into current.....
I'll tell you the difference.....static is made by the atoms that hold together the matter, but electricity flow is caused by the excess force in the wire or matter.
The wire has a magnetic field like a bar magnet but the static matter has many poles all on the same side.
Attract salt crystals with a rubber static magnet...now move the salt crystals a little and if an opposite pole is on them they will jump away from the rubber magnet.
I can stack salt crystals on top of each other spinning in a static field, but only for a short time....google....static spin.....see what you find.
I'm changing my caps and collectors at the moment...
With the primary magnet motor, i can generate some current from the rotor, which is actually a wind turbine rotor...plus i can get the EMF spikes from the motor coils everytime they collapse.
Scotty.


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Re: Source of energy, Testatika
« Reply #49 on: December 16, 2007, 03:41:07 PM »
i think we are heading in the right direction here guys.  One thing to think about is that the 'static' current has 2 magnetic fields, each moving in opposite directions (helix) and they effectively cancel each other out.

unidirectional current produces a polarized field that can be measured, and used to induce current in another wire.

running it through a transformer will convert a portion of the charge to a lower voltage but the insulation must be VERY effective, otherwise a good deal of the charge potential will appear on the surface of the insulated wires, and the exterior of the transformer, and the table its mounted to, and anyone that touches it ect......  where-in lies most of our problem.

2-14% is induced as a lower voltage on the pick-up coil,  and the other 86+% is discharged statically through sparks and leaks in the machine.

As for the Van-Degraff:::::  to perform ANY kind of OU experiments with static electricity, you must use a MECHANICAL Van-Degraff,  NOT an HV-Transformer - These waste 200% of the electricity before the machine even charges up.   A Mechanical (motor-driven) belt can extract the carges directly from the environment much like the whimhurst.

I think what should be done at this point is to have 2 LARGE layden jars, that can be charged (through whatever means) and experiment with different ways to step-down that charge into usable current.

One idea comes from a book written by some guy that claims to have witnessed the Testatika machine in action.

His description of the process went something like this::  A pulsed discharge from the 2 layden jars firing oppositely to a common ground, to produce a high voltage A/C signal which is then rectified by an isolated electro-static inductor coupled with a normal (copper) induction coil.

Now, i can imagine the construction of such a specialized transformer, it doesnt seem to me to be all that complicated. what i can't figure out is what kind of material would be best used for the electro-statically conductive (insulated) coil.  what i know about static electricity tells me a normal wire here will not eliminate the bi-directional electric field.


What i dont see from any of the devices is how the static current is directed over the coils to induce a uni-directional field.  supposing we had a material that would easily accept a static charge, insulate it in a material that does not, and use that as your primary

then normal copper secondary..........


The laws of physics are not in any way violated by this type of "overunity", because we are no longer operating in a Closed System. we are essentially transfering energy from the environment into our system.





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Re: Source of energy, Testatika
« Reply #49 on: December 16, 2007, 03:41:07 PM »
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Re: Source of energy, Testatika
« Reply #50 on: December 16, 2007, 07:38:23 PM »
Wimshurst static electric generator machine are inheriently Coefficient of Output Power greater than one which use the environments internal power flows rather than ZPE zero point energy to function. Almost this is certainly true because some people have used and long antenna like wire to stimulate the enviroment to give back even more static energy to wimshurst machines. Wimshurst machine operate by means of static electric "recruitment of charge".

I'm usually a proponent of the ZPE theory because of the potentially large power output and the large output of the testatika, however, I really like this idea of antenna like wires extending out into the enviroment. The overall electric field would still be the same but it's the equivalent of putting a short thick pipe with holes in it to pull in oil and muck from a local pocket or putting out a long thin pipe with holes in it to reach more pockets. I'm very tempted to try it.

Another post in this forum shows a high power wimshurst machine running in someones living room that almost certainly would have COP greater than one. I could see him lighting a big cluster of flourescent lamp tubes and collecting the resultant light with photocell strips and running a small electric motor to turn the wheels of his machine.

You wouldn't happen to remember where in this forum, would you?

Some people talk about trying to use a Van De Graf generator for this purpose rather than wimshurst , but a Van De Graf generator uses a high voltage power supply to inject static charges onto a belt. This makes the resultant stored voltages even higher which simply makes downconverting to low voltages much harder.

None of my Van de Graaff generators work this way. Just a motor to turn the belt. A comb at the bottom to pull charge from a bottom bowl/box and another comb at the top to put charge on the top dome. Maybe there are some commercial use ones that supplement with a high voltage power supply but that's not normally the case.

So the design of the testatika machine while quite advanced for 1924 or whenever it was initially

Sorry, normally I wouldn't nit but try around the 1970s and 1980s. It wasn't that long ago (for us who were around then.)

-Steve
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Re: Source of energy, Testatika
« Reply #51 on: December 16, 2007, 07:42:29 PM »
One idea comes from a book written by some guy that claims to have witnessed the Testatika machine in action.

Which book is this? I'm always on the lookout for more testatika witness reports.
-Steve
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Re: Source of energy, Testatika
« Reply #51 on: December 16, 2007, 07:42:29 PM »
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Offline sm0ky2

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Re: Source of energy, Testatika
« Reply #52 on: December 16, 2007, 09:12:48 PM »
@ steve

sorry, this escapes me now, i found that device years ago, and went on an info binge, then let it go for a while, only to return to it later....

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Has anyone tried to electrolyze water, or other chemicals with static sparks??

perhaps we can use it as a catalyst in a known reaction, then extract the energy through alreayd perfected processes. ??

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Re: Source of energy, Testatika
« Reply #53 on: December 17, 2007, 07:18:22 AM »
Hi all.....static is a very strange thing...
If i wear a nylon jumper when my whimhurst is going...then i feel a pulse in my jumper when the machine sparks, a real pulse like an impact.
If i connect an electrode to an object, then there is a cold wind coming out of the object, quite strong.
At the moment i'm making 2 LARGE caps...nearly done..had some sparks last night..
I have a few ideas i want to try myself  ???
Scotty
www.sciencedirect.com/science?_ob=ArticleURL&_udi=B6TVN-3SPGXP4-61&_user=10&_coverDate=04%2F10%2F1997&_rdoc=1&_fmt=&_orig=search&_sort=d&view=c&_acct=C000050221&_version=1&_urlVersion=0&_userid=10&md5=d6159700604925019876ba6f23e50c03

and
http://www.sciencedirect.com/science?_ob=ArticleURL&_udi=B6TVC-3VS8J70-9&_user=10&_origUdi=B6TVN-3SPGXP4-61&_fmt=high&_coverDate=01%2F29%2F1996&_rdoc=1&_orig=article&_acct=C000050221&_version=1&_urlVersion=0&_userid=10&md5=2b8c00d73e8d7ce22cd60aa765708ab7
I think Ed was right all along.

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Re: Source of energy, Testatika
« Reply #54 on: December 25, 2007, 03:15:41 AM »
   Search for PCM or pulsed current multiplier. See the tpu thread under otto's. Gives the name of the patent as well and a google book exerp to read up on. Built a 4 stage and it works good, so on to a ten stage unit.

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Re: Source of energy, Testatika
« Reply #55 on: December 30, 2007, 04:18:18 PM »
@ All

I was reading through the GrandicsIE73.pdf document mentioned in the "First electrical power output from a Pyramid" thread:

http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,695.msg59939.html#msg59939

http://www.freeenergynews.com/Directory/Pyramid/GrandicsIE73.pdf

I noticed a circuit in the document for converting ESD random impulses into an
AC voltage sine waveform...Wow!!! I guess there might be a connection to the stories of ancient Egypt being taught by advanced civilizations!  :o

So I thought of the "Source of energy, Testatika" thread and read through it and didn't see this document mentioned here so I thought I would post this information in case it might fit as part of the ESD to AC conversion puzzle.

Quote from GrandicsIE73.pdf:

Atmospheric electrostatic discharge (ESD) impulses are
random and of short duration (nanosecond range) as well as
of wide frequency of occurrence. Antennas capable of handling
similar short-pulse waveforms can be found in radar
systems, where they are called the pyramidal horn antennas.
Intriguingly, popular scientific literature describes inexplicable
electromagnetic phenomena under scaled-down replicas
of the Great Pyramid of Giza.12 These phenomena
showed a variability that made its interpretation difficult.
We hypothesized that these findings were possibly due to
natural fluctuations in the atmospheric electrostatic field
detected by the GPG as a time domain, wideband antenna.
Therefore, we have investigated whether an antenna modeled
on the GPG would capture ESD impulses and if these
random impulses could subsequently be converted into an
AC voltage sine waveform of predictable frequency. This
would allow a direct conversion of the potential energy of an
electrostatic field into an alternating current, making atmospheric
electrostatic charges a possible source of commercial
power generation.

Thanks,
Paul

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Re: Source of energy, Testatika
« Reply #56 on: January 05, 2008, 10:35:20 AM »
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Re: Source of energy, Testatika
« Reply #57 on: January 05, 2008, 05:11:09 PM »
@motorcoach1
Thats wonderful that your a builder I am as well, but as you say you have built 3 machines and building more, but do any of them work? There is a simple premise most follow, you cannot build what you do not understand, this is true in every sense, building is pointless unless you do the basic experiments proving the concept has merit and understand what you are doing. Personally I welcome any information persons are willing to offer, learning and understanding are the first steps not the last.

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Re: Source of energy, Testatika
« Reply #58 on: January 05, 2008, 06:04:15 PM »
I find some interresting video about the same guys that make the rotor magnet showed yesturday

He his able to convert the static electricity to mechanical by moving a rotor http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ZVCXAxoIDo&NR=1
maybe its one of the way to convert the spark in some usable energy

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Re: Source of energy, Testatika
« Reply #59 on: January 05, 2008, 09:29:12 PM »
@ Theone - those are some cool beans vids , the No# 7 vid the guy has big balls putting his hand that close to the spark  hahahaha at that voltage it will stop your heart and make you into a statue real quick.  He has some great working machines to play with.

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