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Offline Implosion

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Re: Source of energy, Testatika
« Reply #30 on: December 09, 2007, 10:33:09 PM »
When that is the key for the kind of material of the black disc, then its very hard to get such a disc.
I have allready asked the company where i have bought my vinyl disc.

Will be expensive.

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Re: Source of energy, Testatika
« Reply #30 on: December 09, 2007, 10:33:09 PM »

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Re: Source of energy, Testatika
« Reply #31 on: December 09, 2007, 11:23:19 PM »
It hadn't even crossed my mind that someone could make it for us. I was thinking more of how hard it would be to make at home - very very hard! Hopefully it's not necessary.
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Re: Source of energy, Testatika
« Reply #32 on: December 10, 2007, 01:04:33 AM »
@ peter

Great work on the machine !!!!  looking forward to hearing about your progress.

@ everyone else - 

I know there are a lot of theories out there concerning the operatios of ths device.
 many of which should be taken with a grain of salt....

The device doesn't necesarily "tap" into any hidden energy source, like is often suggested.
The energy the device uses is connomplace among mankind, and is even part of the devices name.

the only 2 secrets they keep from us are this::

1)  Their particular method for harvesting/storing the charge imbalance ( + and -, respectively)
and
2) Their method of conversion from a high-voltage,static (Bi-Directional) electricity ,
    into a Uni-Directional electricity like we use in our devices, motors, ect.

These two are hinted to in several discussions, but are not fully explained to any degree.
#2 is obviously a specially designed transformer, the likes of which EEE electronics science has never fully accomplished. (reason we dont use the  lightning rods that are on 90% of our skyscrapers to power anything useful)

#1 - is the greatest mystery of all. i assume by the images and descriptions that it has a reversed whimhurst type effect, to charge inductive capaticers (layden jars).  - this is the simplified version of the machine.

Science tells us that static charges are in the kilavolt range. What they dont teach us is that the curent is infinite. (yes i said infinite), and is restricted ONLY by the resistance of the circuit (load).

There are 3 basic factors that control the ammount of power obtained from the machine.
 --  and not to throw any monkey wrenches into any extravagant machines that are currently being built, but virtually ANY static machine can be utilized in a similar fashion, even a rudementary van degraff, though the Testatika appears to be very efficient.---

1) Static Charge Imbalance - this is controlled by the speed of the machine - and unless under a heavy load, should be relatively constant.

2) Rate of the discharge - this is controlled by a) the spark gap and b) the charge rate/capacity of the disks (or rollers+belt/friction surface/ect) - this too is a constant

3) Duration of Discharge - This is controlled by the charge capacity of the cap/condenser/layden jar - This is our main variable and will control the capacity of our machine to perform work (load).


Problem:  How to convert a static current (bi-directional) into a Direct or Alternating (uni-directional) current.  We need to study their transformer, it does much more than A/C to DC conversion, it in fact converts the static charge into usable electricity.

it is no secret that there are enormous ammounts of power comming our of these machines.
Here is an example that proves ANY static machine is over-unity.

Experiment::

take a steel or iron pellet of given weight,
you can calculate the ammount of energy (joules) required to melt the pellet - its a set number, based on known scientific constants, you HAVE to have X ammount of energy to melt that pellet.

Factors: Mass (g)   ,   Room Temperature (T) ,    Melting Point of Iron ( T1) 

Now, make a small static machine, like the 9-v PVC VanDegraff machine.

now, hold your electrods in a constant arc onto the iron/steel pellet, like a mini arc-welder
 and measure the 9v current into the machine, measure the time it takes to melt
and Whalla - you can easily see that you've put into the machine approx 1 / 216th of the required energy to melt the stel balls.
(using the 8g steel balls i melted with a 9v battery)

now, obviously the energy is comming from the ions in the air, and the energy i put into the system was from the 9v battery, but the energy comming OUT of the system is exponentially greater tan the energy put in. WHY??  doesnt this violate some law of physics??   NOO

simply put, this is NOT a closed system, the laws of thermodynamics do not apply to this system.

is it Overunity??  from our perspective , it Sure Is !! we take one 9v and turn it into a 40w arc welder that runs for hours.

If we can figure out how to convert the bi-directional electricity into usable current, its all a cakewalk from there.

Dont make this more complicated than it truly is. The ONLY reason we dont use these mahcine to power the entire planet is we cannot figure out how to convert it into usable electricity,. the stuff sparks jumps, burns, and leaks out all over the place.

If anyone knows how methernithia is converting this stuff, this is te greatest secret mankind could ever achieve.




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Re: Source of energy, Testatika
« Reply #33 on: December 10, 2007, 01:57:50 AM »
Hi smOky2,
my opinion is hughlighted between your lines:
You wrote:
"@ peter

Great work on the machine !!!!  looking forward to hearing about your progress.

@ everyone else - 

I know there are a lot of theories out there concerning the operatios of ths device.
 many of which should be taken with a grain of salt....

The device doesn't necesarily "tap" into any hidden energy source, like is often suggested.
The energy the device uses is connomplace among mankind, and is even part of the devices name.
2statika

the only 2 secrets they keep from us are this::

1)  Their particular method for harvesting/storing the charge imbalance ( + and -, respectively)
closed system including at least one permanent charge storing medium (electret like, permanent dipole)
and
2) Their method of conversion from a high-voltage,static (Bi-Directional) electricity ,
    into a Uni-Directional electricity like we use in our devices, motors, ect.
harmonic flow in short cut mode, e.g. over glow discharge lamp with defined breakdownvoltage
These two are hinted to in several discussions, but are not fully explained to any degree.
#2 is obviously a specially designed transformer, the likes of which EEE electronics science has never fully accomplished. (reason we dont use the  lightning rods that are on 90% of our skyscrapers to power anything useful)

#1 - is the greatest mystery of all. i assume by the images and descriptions that it has a reversed whimhurst type effect, to charge inductive capaticers (layden jars).  - this is the simplified version of the machine.
rota-version of electrophorus (single- or monopoleversion)
Science tells us that static charges are in the kilavolt range. What they dont teach us is that the curent is infinite. (yes i said infinite), and is restricted ONLY by the resistance of the circuit (load).
thats it. don't make a massive barrier for the electrons. let them flow pure ohmic over a step down transformer (I^2*R losses decrease?).

There are 3 basic factors that control the ammount of power obtained from the machine.
 --  and not to throw any monkey wrenches into any extravagant machines that are currently being built, but virtually ANY static machine can be utilized in a similar fashion, even a rudementary van degraff, though the Testatika appears to be very efficient.---
the sequence of the shielded and unshielded sectors should alter in two sets of disksectors, starshaped all interconnected.

1) Static Charge Imbalance - this is controlled by the speed of the machine - and unless under a heavy load, should be relatively constant.
the sequence results out of the designrule to avoid backdragging forces, instead generate a pulsating forwardthrust against the state of ever moving rest

2) Rate of the discharge - this is controlled by a) the spark gap and b) the charge rate/capacity of the disks (or rollers+belt/friction surface/ect) - this too is a constant
maybe no controll required due to the continiously connected outer surfaces of the sectored electrophorus, shotrcutted over e.g. a glow discharge lamp out of a phase tester.

3) Duration of Discharge - This is controlled by the charge capacity of the cap/condenser/layden jar - This is our main variable and will control the capacity of our machine to perform work (load).
continiously discharge statica and therefore a ideally sineformed output, what depends maybe on some shapefactors of the sectors and the unshielded areas.


Problem:  How to convert a static current (bi-directional) into a Direct or Alternating (uni-directional) current.  We need to study their transformer, it does much more than A/C to DC conversion, it in fact converts the static charge into usable electricity.
use a glow dircharge lamp without the 1meg resistor, breakdown at circa 100V, therefore a moderate dischargetime is reached to allow reduced sinewave oscillations which rests in destructive interferences, instead of harmonic oscillations forward and backward.

it is no secret that there are enormous ammounts of power comming our of these machines.
Here is an example that proves ANY static machine is over-unity.
not prooven yet by me

Experiment::
create a basic electrophorus configuration using a sheet of alufoil with a vinyldisk LP on top (rubbed with soft cloth), aluminium enclosed disk as influenced structure; glow discharge lamp out of phasetester, connected between upper surface of influenced structure and the lowest placed aluminiumsheet. make a mave up or downwards ever there is an flow of electrons in an programmed dependency inside the lamp. Move up and down in an close proximity to the intermediate surfaces in an rhythmic manner while moving only a small distance while moving faster creates a nearly continious harmonic flow inside the plasma what results in an pulsating from top to dawn and back to top movement of charges without sharp interrruptions but with continiously changing  speed of the charges.

take a steel or iron pellet of given weight,
you can calculate the ammount of energy (joules) required to melt the pellet - its a set number, based on known scientific constants, you HAVE to have X ammount of energy to melt that pellet.

Factors: Mass (g)   ,   Room Temperature (T) ,    Melting Point of Iron ( T1) 

Now, make a small static machine, like the 9-v PVC VanDegraff machine.

now, hold your electrods in a constant arc onto the iron/steel pellet, like a mini arc-welder
 and measure the 9v current into the machine, measure the time it takes to melt
and Whalla - you can easily see that you've put into the machine approx 1 / 216th of the required energy to melt the stel balls.
(using the 8g steel balls i melted with a 9v battery)

now, obviously the energy is comming from the ions in the air, and the energy i put into the system was from the 9v battery, but the energy comming OUT of the system is exponentially greater tan the energy put in. WHY??  doesnt this violate some law of physics??   NOO

simply put, this is NOT a closed system, the laws of thermodynamics do not apply to this system.

is it Overunity??  from our perspective , it Sure Is !! we take one 9v and turn it into a 40w arc welder that runs for hours.

If we can figure out how to convert the bi-directional electricity into usable current, its all a cakewalk from there.

Dont make this more complicated than it truly is. The ONLY reason we dont use these mahcine to power the entire planet is we cannot figure out how to convert it into usable electricity,. the stuff sparks jumps, burns, and leaks out all over the place.

If anyone knows how methernithia is converting this stuff, this is te greatest secret mankind could ever achieve."
best wishes
kaRLfunkel



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Re: Source of energy, Testatika
« Reply #34 on: December 10, 2007, 02:05:13 AM »
smOky2,
additioinal: no earth connection is required in the methode described by me.
connect simply the top to the bottom layer over a lamp. move it and see the conservation of the charges in the system while recharging without reaching high potentials due to the voltage reducing funktion of the lamp.
Google for electrophorus simple construction to find the configuration I'm speaking about, combine.
GoodVi~~~~~~~~~~

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Re: Source of energy, Testatika
« Reply #34 on: December 10, 2007, 02:05:13 AM »
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Offline Steven Dufresne

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Re: Source of energy, Testatika
« Reply #35 on: December 10, 2007, 03:36:45 AM »
Experiment::

take a steel or iron pellet of given weight,
you can calculate the ammount of energy (joules) required to melt the pellet - its a set number, based on known scientific constants, you HAVE to have X ammount of energy to melt that pellet.

Factors: Mass (g)   ,   Room Temperature (T) ,    Melting Point of Iron ( T1) 

Now, make a small static machine, like the 9-v PVC VanDegraff machine.

now, hold your electrods in a constant arc onto the iron/steel pellet, like a mini arc-welder
 and measure the 9v current into the machine, measure the time it takes to melt
and Whalla - you can easily see that you've put into the machine approx 1 / 216th of the required energy to melt the stel balls.
(using the 8g steel balls i melted with a 9v battery)

now, obviously the energy is comming from the ions in the air, and the energy i put into the system was from the 9v battery, but the energy comming OUT of the system is exponentially greater tan the energy put in. WHY??  doesnt this violate some law of physics??   NOO

simply put, this is NOT a closed system, the laws of thermodynamics do not apply to this system.

is it Overunity??  from our perspective , it Sure Is !! we take one 9v and turn it into a 40w arc welder that runs for hours.

sm0ky2,
Have you done this experiment? It sounds like you're saying you have. You actually melted steel balls with a small Van de Graaff generator? How big is the top dome of your Van de Graaff?
-Steve
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Re: Source of energy, Testatika
« Reply #36 on: December 10, 2007, 04:07:57 AM »

sm0ky2,
 How big is the top dome of your Van de Graaff?

-Steve









   OK,. for this experiment you will need not a dome. the Dome is for visual effects, and toys.
What you will need here is 2 electrodes, each fed with opposite charge, spherical shapes help, and their size is directly proportional to the ammount of charge you get from your generator.

similar to a wimhurst,  that has the 2 balls on swingable arms.  except mine are 2 grounding straps connected to anteana balls with a screw, and strapped to  insulating (wood) handles.

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Re: Source of energy, Testatika
« Reply #37 on: December 10, 2007, 04:15:54 AM »
sorry if i gave you the wrong impression, whe i say "van de graff" i mean pretty much a belt driven static-electric generator.

vs one that uses disks., they both do the same thing, belts are very inneficient, but are a LOT easier to construct a working model, and also have the advantage of being able to work in moist air conditions.

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Re: Source of energy, Testatika
« Reply #38 on: December 11, 2007, 08:09:26 PM »
@Pete : heres a pic of the first disk on bronze with first surface mirror ( solorray glass ), this one sandblasted 150 mesh , will glue the hub on with glassine glue ( eastman 910 ) lockthght will work too. when I get the second disk done I;ll start testing this weekend. Mike 

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Re: Source of energy, Testatika
« Reply #39 on: December 12, 2007, 03:00:51 AM »
@Mike,
It took a minute to realize what you'd done. Nice work! How did you get such perfect lines and spacing?
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Re: Source of energy, Testatika
« Reply #40 on: December 12, 2007, 04:06:39 AM »
I do graphic art so it's easy for me. if you want I'll do a photo doc. on all the steps so you can publish them on your site. I have to make another disk to test with , I'll probably make different types in plexy glass too. I thought it came out real nice for the first one. and thanks  :D   @ pete how many days wer're counting till the new babe gets here  ;D

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Re: Source of energy, Testatika
« Reply #41 on: December 12, 2007, 09:04:15 AM »
To steven and coach,
best way to transform this collected electrons is to let them flow without capture and collect them. In this case you short out the system by using a low ohmic load (as described in my earlier post). Take a small or big glow discharge lamp. This is an ideal load in my opinion.
The rotating electrophorus is also driven by a small motor. I prefer induction motors which (ventilator, my small one is out of a microwave oven).
This motors have no backward reaction when driven with sine wave output. You achieve the sinwave by electrode shape and low ohmic constant load as in the induction motor. This motors are tuned to 50Hz. This means there is a fixed relationship between rpm and driving voltage when current is high enough.
One advantage of the electrophorus system and some other V-generators is the fact that they run under low ohmic conditions better than with a spark gap.
If you run them as a sparking generator backdrag rises.
Think about it.
In different configurations no brushes are required and no sparking areas.
karl


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Re: Source of energy, Testatika
« Reply #42 on: December 13, 2007, 08:30:46 PM »
I think that?s close Steven.
Metal and/or bucky balls would be very
much like the metal ink layer in
the ?shock in the shower? bottle.
Possibly forming nano capacitors as well.

Its what meant in a pm I sent you a while ago
>?Ps, I think the dark disk might be like the ink.?


Cliff,


opps frgot about the type of disk - plexi the black plexi has a iron compound the makes the color plus carbon lamp black , clear is just plan ole clear. in the process of the black is hit with high voltage and that turns in into a Electrct mmmmm now thats cool .......of course it destatict but still carries a charge

I hadn't thought of this explanation for the black disk. Good one. I had read on a Keelynet page
that you can make a stronger electret by embedding it with conductive particles of some type.
Searching again turned up this: http://keelynet.com/electret.htm
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Re: Source of energy, Testatika
« Reply #43 on: December 14, 2007, 01:06:17 AM »
I do graphic art so it's easy for me. if you want I'll do a photo doc. on all the steps so you can publish them on your site. I have to make another disk to test with , I'll probably make different types in plexy glass too. I thought it came out real nice for the first one. and thanks  :D   @ pete how many days wer're counting till the new babe gets here  ;D
Mike,
Once you have some experimental data to go with it, I'd be hapy to publish the data and your disk construction technique. Just send me an email at the time.
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Re: Source of energy, Testatika
« Reply #44 on: December 15, 2007, 08:35:09 AM »
there is no storm just clouds  , dosen't mater how thick the metal is . it creates the storm , doesen;t mater what you make the cloud from but the storrm has to get made kinda like a hurricane just the inside vortex wall .

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