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Offline Lycanthropist

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Source of energy, Testatika
« on: April 13, 2007, 10:01:40 PM »
Let's take a short moment, and (please) forget EVERYTHING you've been told about testatika, just for a moment.

The Principle Experiment, who's principle was never stated, is this : rather than stuffing extra electrons into the capacitors in order to create electric potential, electrons are REMOVED from the capaitor plate(s). This is done by creating a multi-plate capacitor, each plate getting smaller in size. The smallest plate has the highest voltage per cm^3, and it ionizes the air around it. This smallest plate is separated from the capacitor "stack" and is the "wheel spokes" on the big machines, or the "plexiglass swivel" in the published experiment.

Electrons are pushed into this ionized environment by spinning the top (smallest) capacitor plates; the electrons will spin off into the air because they have separate mass and momentum from the capacitor plates; electron momentum is conserved by discarding electrons from the plates while they spin.

As the voltage dipole grows between outermost and innermost capacitor plates, current flow is available between the center plates and the environment, without destroying the original dipole that holds the voltage constant. As the load demand increases, testatika pumps more ions from it's capacitors into the air, to compensate.

I have replicated this principle experiment, with results in the range of Methernita's claims (one to two hundred volts DC of "cold" electricity, with the external load's impedance determining amperage). I will not share pictures of the replication setup (my hard work is MY hard work), but i will describe it verbally to anyone interested.

This is the basis of "cold" electricity ; instead of free electrons trying to escape from an overloaded capacitor, the capacitor is "starved" for electrons, and draws them back in from the environment when it's wires are attached to a load; this is why a motor attached to a "cold energy" source will get frosty when it stalls ... it is needing more electrons than the environment (not the capacitor!) can supply, to satisy the power-starved capacitor's "craving".

Also explained is the "fresh air" around a working testatika ; it's because of the negative ions being pumped out of the capacitors into the air around the testatika.

The magnets are not the "electron cascade" people assume they are ; they are used in a way described by Edward Leedskalnin in his "perpetual motion" circuit, to amass power (and for QED "spin" seperation of ions) ; search the net on Leedskalnin AND magnetic current for a detailed description of this.

There are more details regarding coupling the testatika to the air around it, than I have time to type out, so I will look forward future posts and forum questions / comments.

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Source of energy, Testatika
« on: April 13, 2007, 10:01:40 PM »

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Re: Source of energy, Testatika
« Reply #1 on: April 13, 2007, 10:19:01 PM »
thanks

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Re: Source of energy, Testatika
« Reply #2 on: April 15, 2007, 05:56:52 PM »
You said:

I will not share pictures of the replication setup
(my hard work is MY hard work),
but i will describe it verbally to anyone interested.

Thanx for share it.
I'm interested in. Please describe it.


Icarus

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Re: Source of energy, Testatika
« Reply #3 on: April 15, 2007, 09:45:30 PM »
@Lycanthropist

interesting ideas,
butI don?t understand, how connecting a load will drive in free electrons from
the environment ?

Where are these electrons coming in ?
Via the load ?

The load is just connected between the output terminals, so it just "shorts out"
the existing voltage there...

Please explain more.

I still think, Paul Baumann just uses excited Beta decay in
his lightly radiactive mountain crystals which
are lying inside some of the backside caps.
He just pulses onto them the High Voltage pulses of the
HV disc generator and gets bigger energy pulses back,
which he rectifies in his bigger caps.

But Lycanthropist,
maybe you did invent something like an "electrical heat pump"
and justcatch free electrons from the air and make them to use in
your device with less input ?

Many thanks in advance.

Regards, Stefan.


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Re: Source of energy, Testatika
« Reply #4 on: April 15, 2007, 10:53:32 PM »
Hi,

I think that in all these machines like Moray radiant energy, Testatika, Tesla and else there are few principles that we can pull out to light.
There are:
1-Voltage source (at least as a starter)
2-Oscillation/r?sonance
3-Apparent differential negative resistor (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Negative_resistance)
4-Ionisation/breaking the charge balance (heat pump effect analogy)
5-Collection/extraction/matching/transformation

The voltage source is present in all of them either by atmospheric (Moray, Tesla) or by electrostatic generator (Testatika)

All of them shows an oscillator and the most efficients a LC resonant circuit

To keep the oscillator going, a negative resistor element must be present. All circuit shows such an element (spark gap, ion valve) It is my own believe that Moray valve, which Moray invented and put in is radiant energy device was a kind of tunnel diode or something similar. The biggest role of a negative resistor is to counteract the damping effect of the equivalent resistive part of the LC resonant circuit on an oscillation.

Ionisation is also everywhere in those machines. Tesla made a very detailled explanation of the ionisation created by the cosmic rays in his patents number 685957 and 685958 (worth to read). Moray also claimed that the cosmic rays was the cause of the energy generation of its unit. Lycanthropist explained a bit of what he think occur in Testatika, is he right? Who knows!

Either by a transfo, a matching circuit, a transformation circuit, somehow the energy must be collected and extracted to be useful. It is a matter of fact that all these units have an interface to be utilising the energy creation.

I am convinced that no nuclear processes are involved in these machines, even if some were using bit of radioactive materials in there apparatus or part of it. Two texts lead me to this conclusion:
1-Nikola Tesla wrote a Scientific American article, "Possibilities of Electro-Static Generators" in 1934
2-"The sea of energy in which the earth float" by Moray and son, edition 4 and 5

Everyone can find these documents online with Google. In those document either Tesla or Moray's documents they are formal: There is no nuclear transformation locally!

I also believe that it should not be extremely complicated and that it is just a question of understanding what going on and gather the elements together. RF electronic technician or ham peoples should have an advance on other in this matter.

This is how I see it, putting this in application to make a working device is another world. Einstein already said something like this:

THEORY: you know it all, but nothing works. PRACTICE: all is working, but you don't know why. THEORY plus PRACTICE: nothing works and you don't know why.

FriendlyBen ;)

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Re: Source of energy, Testatika
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Re: Source of energy, Testatika
« Reply #5 on: April 15, 2007, 11:02:18 PM »
Hi Ben,
if you excite lightly Beta radiation material with High Voltage radio frequency bursts,
then it will emit stronger beta radiation, which are accelerated electrons,
which is a RF current that additionally enters the circuit.
Thus this released radiation is working like a REAL negative resistor.

Morray used these from his first Swedish stones minerals on, when he had
built diodes from them and excited them via local radio station RF bursts.

The question only is, which is the best material today to excite with High Voltage
pulses, so we can replicate these experiments ?

Regards, Stefan.

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Re: Source of energy, Testatika
« Reply #6 on: April 15, 2007, 11:28:30 PM »
Dear hartiberlin,

I already had this discussion with Mr Perreault on his forum when I was a member there. I invite you to read carefully the documents I cited in the post I just sent here. The main argument in both documents is: Why create locally (radiations) what we can harvest from the cosmos (radiations). I am sure one day someone will be able to do it locally. But the question in both case is: How do you convert it to usable electricity once it is created or harvested, no matter how you have the radiations available? If you can do and convert locally, great but maybe the expenditure of energy to create it locally will decrease the efficiency while harvesting is free, it is like taking a bucket of water from a fresh spring. We have to find how to make the bucket, no matter from which spring we get the water.

By the way, thank you for your great forum!

FriendlyBen  :)

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Re: Source of energy, Testatika
« Reply #7 on: April 18, 2007, 05:41:36 AM »
Hello Lycanthropist, Scotty from LEEDSKALNIN.COM here...
I think you have explained an unusual thing i notice with my perpetual motion holder.
Also Tesla said that the electricity coming from his raised metal was NEARLY always pos...but i think not always....and i noticed this in my replication of Tesla's radiant energy patent. seen on my site in video archive.
I would very much like to chat a bit more on this...I have many many pics of the perpetual motion holder being tested with a gaussmeter...Very interesting.
Please send me a personal mail if you would like to discuss this more.
Best wishes...

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Re: Source of energy, Testatika
« Reply #8 on: April 18, 2007, 05:50:47 AM »
Dear hartiberlin,

I already had this discussion with Mr Perreault on his forum when I was a member there. I invite you to read carefully the documents I cited in the post I just sent here. The main argument in both documents is: Why create locally (radiations) what we can harvest from the cosmos (radiations). I am sure one day someone will be able to do it locally. But the question in both case is: How do you convert it to usable electricity once it is created or harvested, no matter how you have the radiations available? If you can do and convert locally, great but maybe the expenditure of energy to create it locally will decrease the efficiency while harvesting is free, it is like taking a bucket of water from a fresh spring. We have to find how to make the bucket, no matter from which spring we get the water.

By the way, thank you for your great forum!

FriendlyBen  :)


Hi Ben,
the problem is, the background radiation is not that big here in earth to convert it
to Watts of power in a local point.
It is only in the mikroWatts range or even less...
So we have to use radioactive elements to have more power !
But it could be dangerous to work with highly
radioactive materials, if you don?t handle them correctly and if you breath
the radioactive dust of them, if you crack them up and have dust flying around...
and then have it in your lungs !

So I don?t want to work directly with radioactive material for safety reasons...


Regards, Stefan.

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Re: Source of energy, Testatika
« Reply #9 on: April 18, 2007, 06:13:19 AM »
Ed Leedskalnin says
"When i reduce the matter from which comes alpha, beta and gamma rays, so small that when magnified 100 time, it appears the size of an average salt crystal...THEN I SEE NO MORE RAYS BUT HAS SPARKS, the same as when you tap a battery, BUT WITHOUT THE RED SPARKS"
"sometimes i have to wait 5 minuites for a spark"
"I think the spark is caused by the n/s pole magnets which are circulating around the earth and are hitting the matter and breaking the atom orbit...then a flash is made"
"In the northern hemisphere the north pole magnets go down and the south pole magnets go up"
"I think the scientists when testing radium for ALPHA rays on photographic film, should put the radium on top of the film and for BETA rays under the film or go to the Southern hemisphere and do the same as they are doing now (1940's), then notice if there is a difference...."
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Ed is saying that the rays are directional, and follow the magnetic path of the earth once they are emitted...
When i break the orbit of the pmh, it makes a flash, (if a light bulb is connected) but the orbit is permanent until you break it.....
Scotty

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Re: Source of energy, Testatika
« Reply #10 on: April 18, 2007, 06:24:38 PM »
Dear Stefan,

I agree with you on the weak strength of the radiation that we can measure actually at the ground level. Where we should look is to find the effect of them somewhere in our surrounding. Nature provided the most efficient solar panel ever, namely the ionosphere. To some extend nature already did a part of the work done for us: radiation ionizes this part of the earth atmosphere. It is a vast reservoir of electricity that is constantly replenished. The earth is compare with a huge capacitor. Somehow, like Tesla did, we may have to establish a resonance within this capacitor to draw or pump useful energy by creating a channel to it. I am convincing that there is some other way around to reach similar effect. I agree with you that playing with radioactive material is not the way to do for safety purpose. What encourage me is that either Moray or Tesla stated that there is no nuclear effect involved in the process. Please read the two documents, it?s worth it, especially the one of Tesla ?Possibilities of Electro-Static Generators? in his conclusion, where he clearly stated there is no nuclear reaction involved to harness radiant energy.

FriendlyBen

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Re: Source of energy, Testatika
« Reply #11 on: May 17, 2007, 10:12:58 AM »
In anay case it's damn selfish and irresponsible that if such a mchine did work that the inventor or builder should keep it to themselves. Our planet is dying from pollution! This is morally corrupt!
Think about that~I like any human want to survive, to do that I need to have money simply because society and the rules governing it demand that. To earn money I must live in the city or near to...you can see where I am going...To not pollute I can get a visa and move to some third world nation or try to change the principals of the one I am in...Both is suicide...

So what can I personally do about how I live and the energy I consume? I can limit it. Currently running a 10 w laptop with a 5 watt fluro tube lamp. So I am using 15 watts to type this and 45 watts in the phone line....

To keep this kind of thing to yourself means 2 things..
1 It never worked/
2 The inventor is a selfish pig....'
Anyway,

Sorry to change the subject but the stories I hear about this crap endure and I believe them to be false. No humancould invent such a thing and simply keep it to themselves....period/




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Re: Source of energy, Testatika
« Reply #12 on: May 18, 2007, 07:15:30 AM »
You are right,
many people are angry by now at Methernitha, cause they still keep
it under wraps after such a long time.

I hope somebody can convince them to come finally forward and
present the technology to the world...

Is a forum member here, that still has regular contact with Methernitha
and lives near Linden in Switzerland ?

Is Baumann still living ? He must be pretty old by now and rumours
went around, that he already passed away...

Please keep us informed.
Many thanks.

Regards, Stefan.

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Re: Source of energy, Testatika
« Reply #13 on: May 18, 2007, 12:56:36 PM »
Hi Stephan and 2012

This is their web site http://www.methernitha.com/index.html
One may ask them directly why they do not disclose the technology, but as they said on their site; they still doing R&D on Testatika. This means that the technology is not yet ready for constant utilization. Maybe even at a point where it is dangerous for the health to operate in its actual form. This electrostatic machine may draw its electrons from the ambient air; this may lead to a highly positively charged ambient atmosphere when it is a fact that this is bad for health. Negatively charged atmosphere is the good one for health, which is why so many companies sell these "Ionizer" which sends extras electron to the ambient air. I think that Methernita community is very careful about it and it is all to their honor.

I think we are too fast to condemn them of their intentions.

If there is something not controllable in this machine; there are maybe many good reasons why they do not disclose it.

FriendlyBen



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Re: Source of energy, Testatika
« Reply #14 on: May 19, 2007, 11:15:06 PM »
Greetings all,

I sent an email directly to Lycanthropist about his post. The following is my message to him:


Hi Lycanthropist...

Sorry for the direct  contact, but this seemed like the best way to get ahold of you.

I was  reading your post about the Principle Experiment in the Testatika section on  overunity.com. It made far more sense than anything I've read about the  device. Since you mentioned that you'd verbally describe your replication,  I've come to beg some of your knowledge. The "starved capacitor" idea is  awesome -- I'm just not visualing the how and why of it. Can you shed a  little more light on this?

Thanks in advance...


His reply:


I'm going to be posting the whole 9 yards on the Yahoo Testatika Group  page,  starting in about a week ... (emphasis mine)
 
As far as a starved capacitor, you need to break free of electronics 
teaching, and realize that positive charges move too. If they move too fast,  it's called radiation and it's scary.
 
In a DC circuit, positive charges move in the metal atoms in the wire,  negative charges are moving on the wire surface in the opposite direction,  to compensate. Modern electronics theory does not include this fact, but basic  chemistry does. Chemistry calls it 'ions' and 'valence'.
 
If you charge a cap then drain with a quick short circuit, it  will
partially recharge, because the slow positive charges are moving IN the  wire, but free electrons are moving ON the wire. Short it and drain it  again. Wait. Again. Wait. Again.
 
Just like a picture tube in a tv set, it builds it's charge back up. The  slow moving positives are staying, the free electrons are becoming heat and  leaving. In a radio RF circuit, the AC in the wire gets a "skin effect" because  of this mechanical frustration between flipping charges.
 
We can starve it better by throwing the electrons off of a spinning wheel  with lots of surface area, while we're shorting out the cap. Just keep a high  negative charge on the back mesh plate behind the front grid-wheel and  the negative electrons will go flying away from the sharp corners on the wheel,  opposite of a wimshurst
arrangement. They will go flying towards the positive charged caps ...  just let them sit there as static on the glass outside of the jars, until you  need them. Use wire mesh in the caps to increase surface area of the positive  charges, otherwise they hide in the center of a wire or metal plate. We want them to attract the freed electrons, so use mesh.
 
-the Alchemist-
 
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Please post the above explanation & signature everywhere you can,  and please do not edit or delete any part of it. Send it to the site where you  found my original posting, as a follow up.
 
Thanx,
Bill


I just signed up on the Yahoo Testatika group -- and keeping my fingers crossed.

Best wishes to all,
Chris

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