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Offline wattsup

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Re: rotoverter for power generation
« Reply #75 on: August 26, 2007, 04:21:14 PM »
@Mem

Good idea but here are a few things to consider.

The 1" shaft simply becomes a 1" rotor with much smaller stator windings. The windngs and rotor would have to be 3 feet long or more to get the same wattage as the original generator.

Look at this alternator on ebay.
http://cgi.ebay.ca/HighAmp-PMA-Permanent-Magnet-Alternator-Generator-SC12F_W0QQitemZ290146347291QQihZ019QQcategoryZ121837QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

Now imagine that rotor being only 1". How fast would it have to rotate to produce the same power as this alternator?

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Re: rotoverter for power generation
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Re: rotoverter for power generation
« Reply #76 on: August 26, 2007, 09:27:59 PM »
<<Very good point, the shaft then has be longer, sure and go a lot faster to achive the same results! I sure like to built and test this generator around 24" long shaft. I would mount the maximum posible coils around the shaft to pick the power.
This new design "may?" support metal core electromagnets for larger amp. output.
Since will need min. torque RV motor maybe able to turn it.
(I am using too many "maybes" I wish I could do the math on this.
Mehmet.>>


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Re: rotoverter for power generation
« Reply #77 on: August 27, 2007, 02:48:17 AM »
Hi guys,

I remember Raivo tried that PM ALT on his RV the Exact one in fact, from memory the DRAG/ Eddy currents were not good, the next generation RV is the permanent magnet ROTOR RV.

Except you have to know the math with the magnetic DRAG from the design, we have many suggestions in the RE-OU v6 compilation on PM RV.

But no one has built it yet, apparently according to hector the design can be 100% efficient , as has no slip.

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Re: rotoverter for power generation
« Reply #78 on: August 27, 2007, 03:49:16 AM »
@ashtweth_nihilisti

Thanks for your input on that PM alt. Actually I just removed my alternator from my system to start working on my VAR project, but I must say, I was tempted by that PM Alt as a last ditch effort with an ALT. Ideas abound.

@Mem

What I was trying to say is this. Even if you put a thin rotor and long windings, or stubby rotor and fat windings, to produce an equal amount of wattage, you will still be exposed to significant drag. Although I must say the advent of having a thin long rotor seems to dictate that since the drag would be closer to the center of the shaft, it will have less overall drag on the PM, versus a wide rotor being stopped by drag that would be putting more of an anti-leverage effect on the rotation. There might be something there indeed. But you are right, this would have to be considered and workable on paper before you go through a build. Maybe search patents for long thin generators. Drag is a real drag.


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Re: rotoverter for power generation
« Reply #79 on: August 29, 2007, 07:23:24 AM »
is this what weve all been waiting for ?....or maybe i dont understand( im pretty good at not understand ing).

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rhB9rdpnyBI

what i think im seeing in its most basic description is that it takes 3x 100wbulbs of power to out-put 11x 100wbulbs of power so getting about 8x 100wbulbs of power for free?...or have i missed the point completely ?...i know some of you will prolly say go back and read all the crap and pdf's but all i get from that is a sore head...is there a way to explain this or whats going on here for simple everyday ppl who are generally kinda cluless ?( like my self).

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Re: rotoverter for power generation
« Reply #79 on: August 29, 2007, 07:23:24 AM »
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Re: rotoverter for power generation
« Reply #80 on: August 29, 2007, 07:33:59 AM »
 ::) ;D

>have i missed the point completely ?.

Never mind the lights or loading the Alt reactive power  ;), We are basically saying to try the attached circuit (Neon its a few posts back), as it is the reported OU self runner. our will be ready for testing this weekend.

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Re: rotoverter for power generation
« Reply #81 on: August 30, 2007, 03:17:11 PM »
is there any one in New Zealand that would like to get togeather and try to replicate this ?. id like to go off the power grid, our power bills here are insaine...the way i see it one of these could sit in the boot of an electric car as well ..we pay almost $2 a liter here for fuel...once again insaine prices.

( i still have no clue how this is done tho, i cant seem to find simple instructions that anyone can follow).

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Re: rotoverter for power generation
« Reply #82 on: August 31, 2007, 05:33:20 AM »
http://www.panacea-bocaf.org/RotoVerter.htm

for beginners
http://peswiki.com/index.php/Rotoverter
Look for the panacea replication for step by step

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Re: rotoverter for power generation
« Reply #83 on: August 31, 2007, 11:24:00 AM »
Great! i found the step by step on how to , But i cant seem to open it no matter what i try..is any one able to copy and paste out the txt into a new file and pics as well and zip it or someting into a txt file or something ?..

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Re: rotoverter for power generation
« Reply #84 on: August 31, 2007, 02:22:04 PM »
b0rg13.. please consult http://peswiki.com/index.php/Directory:Rotoverter:Replications:Panacea
which is the newest version of that rv step by step thing.
but please also visit the panacea website and consult the other PDFs where you will find further information.

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Re: rotoverter for power generation
« Reply #84 on: August 31, 2007, 02:22:04 PM »
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Re: rotoverter for power generation
« Reply #85 on: August 31, 2007, 03:40:28 PM »
b0rg13.. please consult http://peswiki.com/index.php/Directory:Rotoverter:Replications:Panacea
which is the newest version of that rv step by step thing.
but please also visit the panacea website and consult the other PDFs where you will find further information.


thank you very much , i appreciate.

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Re: rotoverter for power generation
« Reply #86 on: September 12, 2007, 10:47:05 PM »
<<Hi All out there,
What you guys think of getting this generator here http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/ctaf/displayitem.taf?Itemnumber=45416
and using 20 HP, 3600 RPM,  3P Baldor motor in RV mode, couple them with a (say 20 lbs of)  flywheel together,

With this priciple there no battery or inverter;

After system put together, then turn the  primemover on with AC then once the motor gains the full speed n torque with a 3 way switch instatly turn the primemover to run with our AC generator.

What do you think will happen, will it sustain itself? Or will it slowly slow down and stop?

If will sustain itself? Do you think will it give access power out is well or not?


Mem>>


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Re: rotoverter for power generation
« Reply #87 on: September 13, 2007, 03:14:34 AM »
Hi Mem, we dont have allot of test data on that process sorry, and or any Schematic, i thought its best to put it there but Im afraid its a 'half baked idea'   :)

Gene tried to get a Sch out of Hector but no luck, so we would have to rely on the lb tests to tell.

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« Reply #88 on: September 17, 2007, 11:40:27 PM »
<<Hey guys
Yesterday while I did lots of testing on power consumption
on these motors. I had a hard time believing what I was seeing 
on the watt/Amp miter.
 Little fan motor coil that uses more energy than other 2 lot bigger motors!

Folks, (RV) resonance electric motor conversion method, can give us all the free power
we need if we could find the way to couple these motors with the right generators.  

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Re: rotoverter for power generation
« Reply #89 on: September 18, 2007, 01:29:48 AM »
how did u put them into RV mode ? , is ther a step by step way to do it ?.

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