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Offline ashtweth_nihilisti

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Re: rotoverter for power generation
« Reply #45 on: May 23, 2007, 05:27:34 AM »
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Re: rotoverter for power generation
« Reply #46 on: May 23, 2007, 11:38:58 AM »
Here is news from Brian:

heres some pictires of the 3HP 3phase motor .

the readings are the motor at idle without power
factor correction.

none tuned just hooked up running.

take the motor and tune it to lowest watts, do all
this before you start making the mower so as you will
get to know the motors watts per HP and such, all
motors are different ,

then step to RV energy managment ... many files and
ways to do it but over all , we get what we think to
"use" back because  we really  dont  destroy the
energy ,we just let it get by us from not using the
most effecent ways..= force , thus force = uneffecenty

do to load , so if we use the load to load more energy
back then we are just moving the energy in a loop ,
the energy speeds up at the RV and slows down at the
force so we build up energy at the force level , and
use this force level to yield charge.

when you make 1/2 system input easyer to move then the
output is 1/2 higher in energy , drive this higher
output into a lower input and it got by us again , so
we do it again and again ect... = bad effecenty back
feeded to good effecenty = a little more energy do to
more time of holding it .. tank energy is held in the
motors coils in magnetic fields ,, the extra energy is
there already loaded thats what makes a less input..

brian Prater

Ps. i dropped my cam on the floor and its toast...
might be a few more days before i get more pictures do
to needing a cam to take pictures and video





Hello ,
       Stefan

 heres some of how it works ... using inverse
hyperbolic sine and hyperbolic... see smoke and
mirrors below


http://mathworld.wolfram.com/Pseudosphere.html


Sphere Power = "elastic forces"(everlasting forces)

Half the surface of revolution generated by a tractrix
about its asymptote to form a tractroid. The surfaces
is sometimes also called the antisphere or tractrisoid



The pseudosphere therefore has constant negative
Gaussian curvature, justifying the name
"pseudo-sphere" (i.e., an analog of the sphere, which
has constant positive curvature). Its constant
negative curvature also makes it a a local partial
model of hyperbolic geometry, just as a cone or
cylinder is a local partial model of Euclidean
geometry of the plane.

now lets talk about the coils and how they overlap in
the 3 phase motor ... and how this supplys what i was
talking about ,,,

its everwhere if we learn how to use it

http://home.earthlink.net/~jimlux/hv/cw1.htm

The CW multiplier has the disadvantage of having very
poor voltage regulation, that is, the voltage drops
rapidly as a function the output current. In some
applications, this is an advantage. The output V/I
characteristic is roughly hyperbolic, so it serves
well for charging capacitor banks to high voltages at
roughly constant charging power. Furthermore, the
ripple on the output, particularly at high loads, is
quite high.

The inversion of three-dimensional Cartesian
coordinates is called 6-sphere coordinates.

The scale factors of Cartesian coordinates are all
unity Hi=1


http://mathworld.wolfram.com/CartesianCoordinates.html

http://mathworld.wolfram.com/HelmholtzDifferentialEquationCartesianCoordinates.html

http://mathworld.wolfram.com/6-SphereCoordinates.html

is it start to look like RF waves di-polor antennas?
Laplace's equation ?

it all ties to ECE theory ... did i send you a OU EQ
file ?

the O in the unity is do to a charge that we have when
we give it a jump start , so to say...

thanks brian


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Re: rotoverter for power generation
« Reply #47 on: May 23, 2007, 01:31:16 PM »

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Re: rotoverter for power generation
« Reply #48 on: May 23, 2007, 05:05:02 PM »
how is this possible?!?!  :D

i posted your"how is this possible" to EVGray list, and Hector Torres responded with this: (note, once and for all, before i start pasting material that hector torres wrote, I AM NOT HECTOR TORRES. I AM ESA RUOHO. :(  )

hartiberlin>That is amazing !
responder#2>how is this possible?!?!
hector>Energy saving power management technology ..
hector>EV Gray group is in Aplications phase of ZPE-OU technology .... we generated overunity long ago and began aplications in energy savings,as all group got in UNITY "overunity" became a matter of time to be demostrated ,the theory additions are found in the magnificient compilations and work done by thoose replicating this methods and adding theirs and the gained expertize.
hector>Overunity is just transformation and is a variant of thermodynamicaly justified reasoning (book justified).
hector>If hurricanes are energy transformation engines why we cant copy naturea and create energetic copy? The answer is evident .
hector>Work with nature (resonance ) and tune to its energy ...


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and here are some of the data provided: (its me, esa, again)

go to page 17 of Patrick J. Kelly's file and sstart there for quite a load of info on RotoVerter :)
http://panacea-bocaf.org/files/patrickkelly/D2.pdf

download these three files:
http://panacea-bocaf.org/files/RV%20energy%20saving%20applications%20and%20R%20and%20D.pdf
http://panacea-bocaf.org/files/RE-OU-v6_1.pdf
http://panacea-bocaf.org/files/Advanced%20RV%20Research%20and%20development.pdf


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Re: rotoverter for power generation
« Reply #49 on: May 25, 2007, 08:51:19 AM »
http://panacea-bocaf.org/files/RV%20energy%20saving%20applications%20and%20R%20and%20D.pdf

this is the one, in which there are instructions on how to RV  a DC motor :) enjoy

(just look for DC to AC by phil)

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Re: rotoverter for power generation
« Reply #49 on: May 25, 2007, 08:51:19 AM »
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Re: rotoverter for power generation
« Reply #50 on: May 25, 2007, 09:20:37 PM »
The best part seems to be the mechanical Overunity operation,
when the mechanical output power is measured via a prony break torque measurement versus th.
electrical input power.

From the last PDF file I quote here Doug Konzen?s test:


Doug Konzen?s prony Break testing


For the third time I tested the 7.5hp Baldor motor with the series adding wiring which
gives 5.9 ohms resistance to each phase. This time I tore the motor all the way down
first, photographed the internal wiring and labels, and also oiled the bearings just a bit
with some "Kroil" brand hi-tech lubricant.

The phases are wired in Y fashion - and the motor is run in Hector's roto vertor-mode
with a 7UF run cap across lines 2 and 3. At 1650rpm no-load idle, the motor draws
.3Aac @ 120Vac with the 7UF cap.
 
Any amount of force from the prony brake that exceeds approx 80 ounces on the scale
with the corresponding amps input of approx 2.3Aac will bring the motor to a stop.
 
In this testing, and the previous too, it has been found that this particular RV'd 3ph
7.5hp Baldor AC motor only likes just a couple narrow "notches" of speed and torque
being squeezed from the shaft by the foot-long Teflon-collar prony brake.
 
And as before in the two earlier test-runs done this week, it was possible to keep a
consistent force of 54 ounces (3.375LBFT) on the scale, which corresponds to a
simultaneous reading of 1 Aac @ 120Vac input to the motor showing on the meters.
 
And also a force of 43 ounces (2.687LBFT) and the simultaneous .8 Aac @ 120Vac
input to motor on the meters was another narrow notch-of-power from the shaft to
extract.
 
So again, it is almost a full HP (746watts) of shaft-power from under 120 watts
electrical input, and still haven?t tried out more UF values to the run-cap in order to
fine-tune it to the load.
 

RESULTS:
 
1/20/2007
 
120VAc grid-power input
7.5HP Baldor motor
.81 power-factor rated showing on label (stock rating)
 

88% efficiency rating on label (stock rating)
7UF run-cap used in both tests
 
Test #1:
.8Aac X 120Vac = 96watts input
2.687 LBFT X 1550rpm / 5250 = .793HP X 746 = 591 watts output
 
Test #2:
1Aac X 120Vac = 120watts input
3.375 LBFT X 1500rpm /5250 = .96HP X 746 = 716watts output

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Re: rotoverter for power generation
« Reply #51 on: May 29, 2007, 09:40:55 AM »
news about lawnmower.. you might be interested in this post from cavetronics, the creator of the lawnmower.
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http://groups.yahoo.com/group/EVGRAY/message/15140
do to , some people keep missing with me about the looped mower... it is no longer looped ... your wishes have come true...please leave my people alone now!!!...

Tue May 29, 2007 12:32 am
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Re: rotoverter for power generation
« Reply #52 on: May 31, 2007, 01:06:14 AM »
Cap discharge "timming" works better then "chips" , because of the cap discharge(the cap moves its "stored energy)  in the system , the cap can store and move the store about , where as the chips can just act as switchs... unless the chip acts as a cap then its not so "waste-full" ....

The same thing applys to coils ,, as coils act like caps to... so what part is going to blow 1st ? the "chips" most likly..



timming is key here " we have X amount of time when the node is at (zero and Max energy) do to the coupling of the gate at a zero node.... so think large switchs = more wider of a gap to colect the energy in the same amount of time...

i made a post about shorting out the sec in a transformer ,,, now lets think about this short as being a charge also...add this with the mower & TPU you have a RV-TPU grass cutting capdischaring rotate motor-generator RotoVerter " like hector said (bang them coils )  i have 300 amp SCRs doing the bangin"  i have about 2ms of BANG(zero node currents) to get and give energy in a BI-WAY of NODES

the rest is All DOWN HILL   like the Back part of the Standing Wave ... USE VSWR and Grid Dip meters and make a DSP unit to compress your 2ms in to 60ms of energy
The key to the Mower...Pulesing magnetic fields travling DOWNhill /\/\/\/\  ( we want this part took off ( \\\\\  ) and we put on this part ( ///// )  to gether they are (\/\/\/\/)+(/\/\/\/)=////\\\\////\\\\
Cavetronics

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Re: rotoverter for power generation
« Reply #53 on: June 18, 2007, 10:14:47 AM »

three new videos from panacea
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RotoVerter overunity preview
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rhB9rdpnyBI
description: This is a demonstration of Panacea's Roto Verter device (motor / generator coupling version) in an apartment in Brisbane, Australia. By clipping the peaks of the wave form using neon switching or diode plug techniques, it may be possible to extract the resonant / excess power shown on the alternator such as replicated by an open source engineer in France. The neon switch circuits are near completion for this setup. More information including the circuit diagrams are available at http://www.panacea-bocaf.org
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energy suppression and rotoverter script
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=5757587323690598971
description: This is panacea-bocaf.org's media script on energy suppression and the solutions to addressing the political and economic conditions present.
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rotoverter running a drill
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=3089731393806776576
description: This is the RV energy saving modification, here you can see a drill turning at 2900 RPM on 240 volts at .5 amps equaling about 120 watts!! the draw also went down to 4.8 amps! http://www.panacea-bocaf.org


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Re: rotoverter for power generation
« Reply #54 on: June 18, 2007, 10:34:09 AM »
http://video.google.com.au/videoplay?docid=3223602109300684830

latest OU circulating current and showing the neon extraction circuit
We are building 4 of them ATM


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Re: rotoverter for power generation
« Reply #55 on: July 08, 2007, 04:27:49 PM »
a frequency driven rotoverter..
http://video.google.com.au/videoplay?docid=9089608413203959523
Rotoverter Frequency drive Demonstration] 3min42sec (6th July 2007)

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Re: rotoverter for power generation
« Reply #56 on: July 09, 2007, 02:26:50 AM »
some of you might find this ev-gray message interesting:
"Hello all,

Tonight I achieved over unity with an RV conversion variation.

For PM I used a junkyard 10hp 3 phase 1725RPM motor. Wired for RVPM.

No load other then turning an un loaded alternator with 37uf of
capacitance, .6 amps at 120.5v ac (from inverter). 72.3 watts.

For an alternator I used an old (I mean old) single phase, 120v
1/3hp 1725 motor. I used a belt to connect the two, the pulleys were
almost the same, alternators a little smaller so it was being over
driven a bit.

No load and 62uf I was at 159v and 6.6 amps with PM at 40uf and 1.8
amps at 120.5v.
I then loaded the alternator with (4) 100watt 120v light bulbs, (2)
in series (2 pairs in parallel). It seams you have to let the
alternator load up with capacitance then hook up the light bulbs. It
would not generate when I started with the bulbs connected.

Alternator loaded with (4) 100 watt light bulbs (at full brightness)
I had 4.7 amps at 125v (587 watts). The numbers were the same at the
bulbs, caps or right off the alternator.

With alternator loaded PM was at 62uf and 2.6 amps at 120.5v. 313.3
watts.

Gota run,

Jason"


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Re: rotoverter for power generation
« Reply #57 on: July 19, 2007, 05:47:18 AM »
esaruoho,

I am new to RV. Seems you are much more experienced. So my question to you is, where is the RV OU from? Drive motor?

thks

Hank

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Re: rotoverter for power generation
« Reply #58 on: July 19, 2007, 06:20:18 AM »
The more I read the post the less it makes sense and does not look like o/u to me.  He states he has two bulbs in series and two series sets in parallel.  Well, that means he only has 62.5VAC at each bulb, not the necessary 120VAC to run them full brightness.  He would need to measure 240VAC at the caps in order to have his estimated o/u at the series bulbs.

I believe he is measuring the output voltage of the alternator with the full amp output of the alternator which includes the power necessary to charge the rotor (load plus capacitor bank).  IMO, he is only getting about 200 watts of usable power from 313 watts input.

Rich


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Re: rotoverter for power generation
« Reply #59 on: July 20, 2007, 06:05:24 AM »
Rich,

Which reort you are looking at?

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