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Offline esaruoho

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Re: rotoverter for power generation
« Reply #30 on: January 11, 2007, 01:11:26 PM »
two new videos  posted (well, they're old). by hector..
http://youtube.com/watch?v=FjiQ-sAdmEI
1000 watt light load test with RotoVerter by Hector
http://youtube.com/watch?v=XC2k2um--xM
virtual circulating current with RotoVerter by Hector

also i've done some snooping around  on jlnlabs, and found the norman wootan posts  about rotoverter. here are some excerpts:

Mon Feb 25, 2002 1:10 am
Here is the verification that you have been waiting for. Per our off line dialog here is the set up for my rotaryverter so others may duplicate what we have seen.
Motor is 3HP, 3 Phase, 60HZ, 1725 RPM, wired for operation on 480V.
Motor free running, tuned to minimum current draw from 120V line input required 20mfd 370V oil filled cap resulting with a current draw of .66 amps @ 120VAC input.
Motor loaded with belt drive stepup 6:1 ratio to drive a PMI disk PM, DC motor acting as a generator. (generator unloaded) required 30 mfd, 370V oil filled cap with a resulting current draw of .50 amps @ 120VAC input.
Now I loaded the DC generator with 160 watt incandescent lamp load.
Now things get more interesting. Since I have two independent systems here, one being driven with 120VAC line input and the other system a belt driven DC generator being loaded with pure resistive load. Well here are the numbers: Motor was retuned for minimum current draw which required 45 mfd, 370V oil filled cap with a resulting current draw of .15 amps @ 120VAC input. The independent generator put out .75 amps @ 74 VDC into a resistive load.
The only thing that needs to be looked at on the input side of the equation is the power factor of the AC input. I need to find my tectronics current probe for my scope to look at the current/ voltage phase relationship. I'm satisfied with the figures that I calculate which shows roughly 18 watts AC input with a DC output of 55.5 watts. What I find most interesting is the fact that the more load you put on the 3 phase motor the lower the input current draw and the motor gets colder. The belt driven DC generator gets quite hot after about 30 minutes of running time. Go figure it out.
I believe there is a lot to be learned about revolving magnetic fields in 3 phase motors and tunning the output via capacitors. This experiment is so easy to do everyone should seriously look at this phenomenon. My next step is to document PF on input and improve the DC side of the circuit to provide more loading.
By the way, all measurements were made with four each Fluke 87E meters which I believe to be fairly reliable on 60HZ and DC measurements. Nothing exotic here. Only PF to be determined.
Norm

Thu Feb 28, 2002 2:51 am
Q:* What was the make and model # of your 3 phase motor? Any photo's? How did you tune to determine the capacitors needed? Looking forward to the results of your PF measurements.
A:o The motor is a General Electric, Mod. 5K49ZG1759, 3 HP, 3 phase, 230/460 V, 1725 RPM, 9.2/4.6 amp, SF 1.0, 56 frame.
A:o An 80 mfd cap is used to start the motor (aprox. 2 sec.). Tuning is via changing the value of the run capacitor. Attach neutral line to L1, attach line hot (120V.) to L2 and attach your run cap between L2 and L3. For starting, momentairly parallel the run cap with the 40mfd start cap. Any 3 phase motor will work if it has the high voltage winding(460/480V). Norm

Mon Mar 4, 2002 4:20 pm
Hi! Uli: When you are working with a resonant circuit you have X-L component and an X-C component. Tuning means that we are changing the value of the capacitance (X-C) to cancel reactance (X-L) so that the motor windings represent a pure resistive load. You have to tune a resonant circuit by changing the value of either reactance or capacitance. <g> Norm

all these, and more, are linked from
http://peswiki.com/index.php/OS:Rotoverter

hope this helps.
.. surely SOMEONE has a 3-phase AC motor (or two) sitting around in their homes??

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Re: rotoverter for power generation
« Reply #30 on: January 11, 2007, 01:11:26 PM »

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Re: rotoverter for power generation
« Reply #31 on: January 11, 2007, 02:03:38 PM »
www.byronwine.com/files/plans.pdf
something about rotoverter,
but also the MRA and the right measurement !

S
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Re: rotoverter for power generation
« Reply #32 on: January 11, 2007, 03:04:37 PM »
Hi Lanca and all,

The file you include in the link is version 2.5 from 2004.
Since then the recent advancements have been included in another PDF file, version 6.1  from 2006, see this link (2MByte filesize):  http://panacea-bocaf.org/files/RE-OU-v6_1.pdf

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Re: rotoverter for power generation
« Reply #33 on: February 17, 2007, 09:29:19 PM »
has anyone on overunity started to replicate the rotoverter?


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Re: rotoverter for power generation
« Reply #34 on: April 10, 2007, 08:33:18 PM »
RotoVerter replications
http://peswiki.com/index.php/Directory:Rotoverter:Replications

have fun
more will be added

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Re: rotoverter for power generation
« Reply #34 on: April 10, 2007, 08:33:18 PM »
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Re: rotoverter for power generation
« Reply #35 on: May 22, 2007, 10:19:35 AM »
I have had a private email conversation with Brian D. Prater
and he is saying, that he has a closed loop selfrunning
lawn mower built on the rotoverter principle.
Here is the email exchange with him and a ZIP folder
with a few drawings.

He will try to upload soon a video for us all to see it:


--- overunity2001 <harti@harti.com> wrote:

> > Hi Brain,
> > doI understand it correctly,
> > that you have a selfrunning lawn mower
> > based on the Hector Rotoverter principle ?
> >
> > Please let me know more.
> >
> > Many thanks.
> >
> > Regards, Stefan.


Well yes i do have  a self running(Cap discharge
recover) push lawn mower but im in the middle of
putting it on my rider mower but im looking for a
bigger motor for it, for it takes alot of energy to
power its self pulling the duel blades and all .. so
im working to  put two motors on my rider then im
thinking of riding it around and mowing a few peoples
yards with it so im sure ill have to use a battery on
it , and yes this is biased with the RV transforming
Hector princples as many has been put together as one
unit that way its most effecent.
then im thinking of shooting some video of it eating
up grass and cordless... the rider will ride for all
the people in this kind group...Hector Kone and so so
many more the names could go on and on .... dont get
me wrong here its not easy keeping banging away at
things untill ya get it working like you like it... im
sure you know this ... like many 1000s of others do..
anyway i guess i need to go look for more parts .
i will upload a video on this mower if any one would
like to see to , if not no biggy later on ill upload a
easy way "how to" for the Pan. site for every one.

Thanks
Brian D. Prater
Cavetronics R&D Labs


Hello Stefan

 yes i been working  many years on the best ways to
convert energy to a pass energy in to a load and
recover and so on , i have made a magnon bosnova
machine and so on. i work with many people to help
them come to understand just how easy it is.

i have aspergers "high end" so i really think i was
born to do just this. invent ... i have about 15000
things i have invented . i use as many of them coupled
to one system thus = most effecent..  when you combin
them in to unity it becomes over-unity.

how may i be able to help you ?
Feel free to ask away
i tacked on one of many of my EQs on energy , this one
a good pal of mine done for me as i sent the data to
him.. and he done the paper work for me , we trade off
. so now you know what file is your looking at  is .
if the paper is confusing just let me know

Thanks

Brian D. Prater
Cavetronics R&D Labs


--- "hartiberlin@gmx.de" <hartiberlin@gmx.de> wrote:

> > Thanks for the equation,
> > but what is the COP or efficiency
> > of your lawn mower?
> >
> > Regards, Stefan.



Hello , Stefan
 The C.O.P. is flexing amount mostly around 5.88 to
7.31

so the motor does about 1/3 hp , its a 3ph motor so
thats not so good but it idles on 34 watts while
doing,, its kinda like more you load it the less you
get out..



--- "hartiberlin@gmx.de" <hartiberlin@gmx.de> wrote:

> > Hi Brian,
> > do you have a picture or a video of this mower
> > running just on capacitors ?
> >
> > How long does it run just on charged capacitors ?
> >
> > Do the caps discharge after a while ?
> > How long does it take ?
> >
> > What is the total capacitance ?
> >
> > How much energy is used from the motor mechanically
> > about?
> >
> >
> > I guess the idleling  of a RV motor is minimal,but
> > when you draw
> > mechanical power from it, you have to put this power
> > into
> > the electrical input there too, right ?
> >
> > So how can it be overunity and selfrunning ?
> >
> > Regards, Stefan.



I am going to make some video on this..it runs about
4.5 secs on just the caps , but i use a invertor to
charge the caps and run the motor and the motor runs
charges the  caps, under heavy load it will start
draining down on the caps voltage in about 23 to 45
mins ,, so i wait a few mins and keep on mowing after
the caps build up to 14 volts i take off mowing
again..
the motor mech. uses about 2.4 watts to 17 watts under
load , the output watts of the motor is about 1/3 hp
or 248 watts. 1/2 of this watts charge the caps to
fire the invertor. i use what i store and reuse what i
store that way im just paying to keep it in osc and
the tank wattage stays up by me having a open closed
looped system . kinda lenzless do to the return of
energy im cycling in the tank circut of the coils and
cap and motor and invertor. the invertor has a 90%
effcenty .. but it cost me about 5.8 watts to run it
but the motor supplys the energy do to supply this
energy the input goes down while the load output goes
up but if i break it over in energy use it falls off
and i have to jump start the whole system..if i load
it to hard ,
Brain



Hello,

Yes i will upload the video to you ...and you can put
it on your site.. i stop mowing just for a few mins
for the energy to build back up .. kinda like the
window motor does.


--- "hartiberlin@gmx.de" <hartiberlin@gmx.de> wrote:

> > How do you get this high COP ?
> > Where is the additional energy coming from ?
> > Is the environment cooled down and
> > thus the second law of thermodynamics is violated ?
> > So is the resonance in the motor coils somehow
> > tap the heat energy and converts them to mechanical
> > and
> > then electrical energy ?
> > Did you measure the temperature ?
> > Does it run cold ?
> >
> > Regards.Stefan.



its just more efficient power management...
i added a zipped folder of things i used to get it to
go on its own...when one compounds theses systems in
to one whole looping force of forces it becomes lagged
by time , that = differental charge movment.
there is no heat , when you have it effecent..
the hard part is keeping differental charge in osc
>from being moved in to different states.. read the OU
EQ it states all losses become gain... so use the
losses to run the motor , while the motor acts like a
generator supplying the losses this way we just move
the losses around and loss becomes gain...im sure i
still have some loss but i have some gain still do to
the losses.. make any sence to you ?
Brian

think over 5.8 watts per hour we are only lossing
0.0967 watts per min. at 120 volts = .0967 watts / 120
volts = how many amps per sec ?   x 60 = one hour
becomes 0.04835 amps x 120 volts = 5.802 watts a loss
of .002 watts per hour.
 1.44 watts per 30 days of running...in losses   so to
stop running maybe it will take 5.8 / 1.44 = 4.0278
times before its dead thats about 116.8062 days at arg
of 29 days = a month ...

Brian

--- "hartiberlin@gmx.de" <hartiberlin@gmx.de> wrote:

> > Hi,
> > Many thanks.
> > I am looking forward to see some real pics or videos
> > of it !
> > Can I already post the infos you send me via email ?
> > Or should we wait, until you have a few videos
> > uploaded ?
> >
> > Many thanks.
> >
> > Regards, Stefan.



Hello, Yes that would be fine Stefan, ill work on
getting some video coming your way...
Thanks
Brian

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Re: rotoverter for power generation
« Reply #36 on: May 22, 2007, 10:38:20 AM »


wow this is very exciting! thanks for keeping it Open Source! :)

cant wait!

peace
« Last Edit: May 22, 2007, 10:39:51 AM by hartiberlin »

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Re: rotoverter for power generation
« Reply #37 on: May 22, 2007, 10:42:16 AM »
Yes, it seems Brian is just charging up once its
capacitors before starting the lawn mower and then can mowe about
25 to 45 minutes on this one cap charge.

Normally, when he would not have this rotoverter feedback, the caps would just
only last for 4.5 seconds on the mower !

That is amazing !

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Re: rotoverter for power generation
« Reply #38 on: May 22, 2007, 10:44:49 AM »
how is this possible?!?!  :D

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Re: rotoverter for power generation
« Reply #39 on: May 22, 2007, 11:41:55 AM »
how is this possible?!?!  :D

could resonance have something to do with it?

btw, what might be the correlation of Walter Russell's Cosmogeny and Nikola Tesla's Impulse Current (IC) which Eric Dollard always talks about?

It would seem that with the pulsing you can achieve a specific point which you can then resonate and tap the harmonics generated by the original wave being resonated, and tap that without the motor or device stopping working.

seems like signal generators are going to become a lot more interesting (Rotoverter, Norman Wootan's Magnetic Resonance Amplifier (MRA)) and so on.
Keely did it acoustically, we can do it with signal generators.

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Re: rotoverter for power generation
« Reply #41 on: May 22, 2007, 11:59:22 AM »

NeonPeakTrigger circuitschematic + pictures + explanation by Patrick J. Kelly, with collaboration with David Kousolidas.

more info at
http://peswiki.com/index.php/Directory:Rotoverter:Replications:Deliverance



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« Reply #43 on: May 22, 2007, 12:17:00 PM »
NeonPeakTrigger writeup by Patrick J. Kelly.
D2 by Patrick J. Kelly (heaps of RotoVerter info on page 16 onwards)
http://peswiki.com/index.php/Directory:Rotoverter:Replications:NeonPeak
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Re: rotoverter for power generation
« Reply #44 on: May 22, 2007, 03:36:10 PM »
"I got a 7.5 HP 3phase motor from the dump and started running that with the mains in RV mode, via a variac to get it to run off around 100V ac. Then, I was able to switch from the mains over to the inverter power, and then to increase the frequency, speed and reduce the duty cycle."

"in summer 2006, many in the EVGRAY group were discussing different methods of resonant collection, in particular the "Diode Plug" method, given by Hector. So I uploaded another add-on circuit to the inverter which synchronized the switching of the Diode Plug with the Deliverance Inverter. this was called the Deliverance, because the resonance recovery circuit used the triangular wave in the original Deliverance Inverter."

"In April 2007, after Hector suggested the idea of using a Neon to detect the peak voltages in the Diode Plug, I uploaded a revised resonance recovery circuit, which doesn't need to be synchronized to the Deliverance Inverter because it detects and synchronizes to the actual voltage waveform across the resonant capacitor in circuit. I called this circuit "Neon Peak Detector and Switching V1.3", because it can operate with mains or any inverter. It is quite a bit simpler than the previous version (Deliverance RV resonance Recovery 1.1) which it supersedes, and yet is more universal.

"Patrick- Why would your average individual want to build and use this circuit? Looking at the circuit from a beginner's point of view, it appears to be a variation of John Bedini's solid-state circuit where one capacitor is charged (from back EMF?) for dumping into the battery and the second capacitor is charged up until the neon fires and operates the opto-isolator to trigger the SCR to feed the capacitor energy into the battery."
"David- Yes, that's it in a nutshell. The crucial part is the timing of the dumping into the battery in relation to the voltage waveform across the Run Cap (and Diode Plug Caps).At the peak voltage on one diode plug cap, is the moment when the alternate diode plug cap(previously charged up) is dumped into the battery. The Bedini circuit you describe sounds similar, but I'd like to see it before comparing. "

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