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Offline allcanadian

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Victor Schauberger
« on: February 24, 2007, 05:37:49 PM »
In another thread I had mentioned that I had just finished reading "the energy evolution" by callum coats on Victor Schauberger. You guys have got to read this, Its everything I was hoping it would be. His terminology is cryptic at times, but you can easily get the drift of what he was doing.
Here are some very interesting things that fall in line with conventional science, that you won't normally find in a textbook.

Outgassing:
-water vapor in air will spontaneously release CO2 and O2 under conditions of low pressure/high temperature increasing it's volume
-water vapor in air will absorb CO2 and O2 under conditions of high pressure/low temperature decreasing it's volume
If you think outgassing has no power see http://perso.orange.fr/mhalb/nyos/project/historicnmdp.htm   - notice the 60 foot geiser powered by outgassing-tesla and schauberger proposed this idea in the 1920's
-so outgassing coupled to other effects has tremendous power

Charge Seperation:
-Like charges repell(- -) unlike charges attract(- +)
- the atmosphere has a (+) charge growing by 100 volts per meter vertically, the ground has a (-) charge
-water vapor from a nozzle pushed through a charged ring can produce over 20,000 volts  - (see Lord Kelvin water drop static generator)
- If water vapor/air with high negative charge moves through a pipe in a swirling motion, and the pipe has a high negative charge then there is no frition because the center flow repells from the pipe- thus no boundary layer interactions especially if the flow is cooled reducing its volume as it moves(centripital inward flow)
- If a vortex of cold (+) charged air/water vapor under centrifugal pressure has a flow of warm (-) charged air/water vapor enter from below into the low pressure core, the core will implode and outgass simultaneously producing an upward flow and suction at the base of the vortex, the opposite charges of outer vortex and core will produce an inward centripital motion, centripital motion=increased outer vortex velocity
- In water(H2O) Oxygen has a (-) charge and 4 electrons, 2 of these electrons are paired to two Hydrogen atoms of (+) charge. The two unpaired electrons of the Oxygen atom will turn the H2O molecule to face any (+) charge.
-Under extreme conditions(centripital motion/thermal gradient/charged state) it is possible that Hydrogen could disassociate from the H2O molecule, Hydrogen (+) would move to the (-) vortex core and upwards with extreme velocity, Oxygen (-) would accelerate downward the the outer vortex.
 O- Oxygen= pressure force-seperation actuates centripital force
 O- transverse potential=electricity
 H- Hydrogen=suction force-combination actuates centrifugal force
 H- longitudinal potential=magnetism
 

Im just starting to piece this process together after reading the book, there are so many things happening in a simple spinning column of air, so the learning curve is insane. At this point I have no doubt Victor had a self-runner, as Victor said " Do the opposite of what we do today" and you will be on your way.

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Victor Schauberger
« on: February 24, 2007, 05:37:49 PM »

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Re: Victor Schauberger
« Reply #1 on: April 13, 2009, 01:08:16 PM »
I know what you mean, I have read it too actually, though it really need's serious and careful examination in order to find the the clues of most importance.
As for me, of the machines he built which is of most interest is to me is clearly the klimator. The amount of water which he claimed it could increase or decrease the temperature of was almost insane, especially when the whole machine could fit into the palm of one's hand : )

But I don't believe that that it was all fakery, probably until someone as genius as Schauberger comes into contact with these concepts again we will never find the answer.

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Re: Victor Schauberger
« Reply #2 on: April 13, 2009, 01:42:44 PM »
@allcanadian,

>>- the atmosphere has a (+) charge growing by 100 volts per meter vertically, the ground has a (-) charge

How can I measure this charge?

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Groundloop.

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Re: Victor Schauberger
« Reply #3 on: April 13, 2009, 04:06:37 PM »
Hi groundloop,

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the atmosphere has a (+) charge growing by 100 volts per meter vertically, the ground has a (-) charge

How can I measure this charge?

The charge in the ground is magnetic current, it has to be converted to be measured. Possibly by using a magnetic transformer or motor.

How to build one? I don't know yet but we are tinkering with the concept pioneered by Felix Ehrenhaft:
http://www.rexresearch.com/ehrenhaf/ehrenhaf.htm

Take care,

Michel

Edit: So far we think that any diamagnetic coming in interaction with a magnetic field creates magnetic currents. Another name for it is Eddies and we try by every means to cancel it in our brute force contraption mentality.


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Re: Victor Schauberger
« Reply #4 on: April 13, 2009, 04:27:37 PM »

Re:

We are also convinced it has the property to bend space: See Boyd Bushman experiment with the drop of 2 rock like mass from a high elevation.

Since it cannot affect time, always according to that experiment, it has to bend space. It would possibly be the reason why the bifilar coil is amplifying the output compared to a regular coil. It travels in a scalar fashion, Tesla was a sneaky guy when coming to terms with exotic description of his patents. We did not experiment yet but we will hold on to the hypothesis that it is.

Take care,

Michel


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Re: Victor Schauberger
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Re: Victor Schauberger
« Reply #5 on: April 13, 2009, 07:11:14 PM »
@Michelinho

>>The charge in the ground is magnetic current

This does not make any sense to me. A charge is not the same as a current.
And what is magnetic current? Is it the spin direction of the electrons in iron?

Do you mean that there is flowing a current in the ground? How can this current
make a charge that increases 100 volt pr. meter altitude?

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Re: Victor Schauberger
« Reply #6 on: April 14, 2009, 01:02:13 AM »

Hi Groundloop,

According to Felix Ehrenhaft, the electric current is surrounded by a magnetic field and the magnetic current is surrounded by electric charges.

The conversion process could be based on the Nathan Stubblefield cell: Iron winding primary wound with a copper wire in a transformer like action.

Sorry I can't be more explicit since we started playing with the concept only last week and it is premature to try to say more about it.

You need charges in the ground to equalize the charges developed in the atmosphere. Read the papers on Felix Ehrenhaft at rexresearch it might help.

Take care,

Michel


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Re: Victor Schauberger
« Reply #7 on: April 14, 2009, 01:14:20 AM »
@Michelinho,

Thanks for taking time to answer me. I will study the Felix Ehrenhaft papers
and see if it make any sense to me.

Regards,
Groundloop.

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Re: Victor Schauberger
« Reply #8 on: April 14, 2009, 03:42:59 AM »

Last year I saw pictures of a lightning strike in the backyard of my son-in-law's friend. It looked like dozen of mole tunnels that exploded upward in a radial pattern. Really weird.

Take care,

Michel


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Re: Victor Schauberger
« Reply #9 on: December 11, 2010, 05:24:40 PM »
The one and only problem with Victor^s technology of living water is this, that it is practically only for military use. It is so that in 1 cm3 of water we have 20 kT of TNT for use (fur verfugung). For engines it is much less. For example, standard 15-18 GW (250-300 T) engine has 4-5m diameter and 30m height. But bombs and engines are of the same concept. The difference is purpose only. Thats the point.

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Re: Victor Schauberger
« Reply #10 on: December 11, 2010, 06:35:22 PM »
I'm not sure. If someone could actually make Schauberger's vortex turbine work (with the spiraling/twisting propellers), it could have lot more uses than purely militaristic, I'm sure you agree with this.

If there in fact is power to be had from sucking the intake air into a vacuum, and generating energy from this new form of reaction....
I could imagine such a machine being useful to to everyone in the whole world.

Julian

Edit: I agree with you on the bomb/engine statement though. And some say that explosions have OU potential. What is called the pressure temperature feedback does some interesting things....

Further Edit: I'm thinking on a machine like the one in the attachment:
« Last Edit: December 11, 2010, 07:00:47 PM by Nabo00o »

Offline Dr Adolf Nowak

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Re: Victor Schauberger
« Reply #11 on: December 11, 2010, 09:31:40 PM »
This machine as on Your pic Victor had built to overcome problems with military use of his technology. But probably it didn^t worked at all because of this modification.   We have for over 2 years a (spy) plane built on my own planes for such powerful engines (nuclear tachyons according to they scheme of working, or sc. antigravity as populary called).  Have You noticed that exactly 1 year ago Dymytri Myedvedyev had said in Tv interview that they are working on big nuclear engine for interplanetary journeys? They need some years to do that. And Giuseppe Beluzzo has done it in only half a year in Breslau pic 1 a. 2 (yet WrocÅ‚aw, Poland). Isn^t it a small difference? We use a very small, 300W power engine for 3 y. already for cure. With free gravitons it is very easy and very cheap. Pic 3.
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Re: Victor Schauberger
« Reply #12 on: March 08, 2017, 02:48:27 AM »
I hate to bring back (yet another) thread that's been quite for years...
Things have come to light, which present themselves as being
Historically irrefutable.
If there is such a thing....


As it lies before me just so happen to be plans, technical data,
Motion picture images, still photographs, and catalogued information,
from a long investigation on multiple platforms from multiple countries,
All pointing to a particular "flying disk technology", that was known to have
Flown. It was also known that this technology required a power source.
Of the three before me, one in the center of the power drive train, is none
other than a Victor Schauberger Vortex Engine.
This is proof that it worked, at least to a flight of 20 or so feet straight up,
Then back down with a completely uncontrolled landing.


I won't bore you guys with the specifications of Hitler's disks,
But rather let us figure out how this tornadoe in a can thing works.


Heat to mechanical is the conversion process, negative pressures cause a
cooling effect proportional to the work performed.


I keep getting lost in Victors "mimicking life" analogies.
for instance he said something about a trout swimming up stream.
It took me 3 hours of trout research to learn that a trout
Will ride the vortex whirlpool beneath a waterfall
To gain up enough speed to jump over it.


There's something here we haven't quite got ahold of.

 

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