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Offline ashtweth_nihilisti

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Re: Open Source Vs. Patenting
« Reply #75 on: August 24, 2008, 08:06:43 AM »
ZERO is your figure , my R and D contributions/replications are in many documents on the uni site, and i continue to do open source research with them.You have incredulous assumptions, in fact i have never seen your R and D or devices any where , dont want you to be remembered as an avid skeptic, this attitude doesn't get any where on a site like this.

>Name one company that has bought and uses an EBM device to power anything.  Surely there is one - they have been selling these things for years, right?

No, Wrong, You haven't been to the EBM lab and seen the 10 tone device and or tested it and or understand how much they charge for their device. I do.I can see AGAIN that you have no idea of the situation. First you should of gone there your self to find out how much they are charging to use their device and license it.Think people give away a ten tone device to use for normal money?, LOL, your allot dumber then i thought. You think you can just purchase one for a few 1000 dollars?  The point is, your incredulous assumptions are not based on any experience, and your avid skeptic guesses are in now way a contribution much like your R and D attitude i see. I hope you learn and better your self soon and contribute.

Back on topic

The open source software example can be paralleled to the FE movement, open source software makers know that there are people and groups out there etc that will take on their software,use it and improve it, even businesses. Its time now that FE inventors/engineers realize that the same benefits are in the case of the alternative and free energy movements. There are thousands of engineers now ready to replicate and validate the technology. Plus ensure disseminations, not only this, they have also improved what they have. Look at the security it creates in this genre of technology.

For example, the GEET would be NO WHERE, if not for the French open source engineers and Paul Pantone open sourcing a version of the Free plans. This open source disclosure advanced education and caused others to invent the SPAD system which is now a commercial business based on and ONLY as a result of open source engineers efforts.Still it needs due promotion and public attention to reach capacity tho, (we are working on that this year.)

Despite his business mistakes the principle was sound, we already know that opens sourcing technology can work, thats already proven, HOWEVER, in our case, its WHAT we are open sourcing, that is, technology that threatens the status quo  and contradicts faculties circular's. What does that mean? It means that we have MORE of a reason to an extent to release and open source.

If people can lead by example, the same in the case of what Ossie Freedom did with his books sales then every one is happy and there can be improvement and revenue/renumeration return, lets not forget security and advancing education. The EXCUSE of the money issues is over and proven from a 2008 case file!(Ossie).I think our best chance is building on case files to show these benefits and examples to exert a better influence, the OU.com forums engineers are doing this with their R and D, plus we have a concise profile now of case files to help these examples.http://panacea-bocaf.org/howtheywentwrong.htm.

Showing the PUBLIC/patent engineers GROWING case files of the benefits of  open source engineers building(plus Ossie freedoms 3-4 million per year in books sales) and examples of patent engineers and current stagnation  with the previous mistakes (there will be more from patent inventors watch and see) is very objective if presented properly. it is important the PUBLIC know this also.OU.com engineers are instrumental in this, and our open source cases will be the one which breaks the camels back, i can assure you ;).Stefan and other senior members wont be retiring here very soon ;D

I think the FE inventor with the device holding the patent, needs to realize a few things, and the first is that the release and license (granted that he does this as an AFFORDABLE price unlike EBM) of it opens the door to all the other engineers, and devices. Once a validation is done by an independent third party,then this reproducible open sourced result can still help them. Consumer awareness and demand stops suppression, ATM no one has independently  validated OU(doesn't mean it doesn't exist) to CAPACITY, they hide and wont let you reproduce it to prove to the public, if they do (looking at steorn here) its only a LIMITED reproduction, not enough to let the cat out of the bag.

We know that letting some independently validate it  and use it, ( open sourcing it) can still get the Fe inventor or patent holder momentum.Case files where this has happened is in Gary porters EVGRAY vibrator circuit (on the panacea university site, he has a patent but still open sourced it) it has been reproduced and validated, and can be spread more.

The next one i hope will this guy hopefully, he was HELPED buy open source engineers to find his OU!
http://panacea-bocaf.org/ismaelaviso.htm

Ash

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Re: Open Source Vs. Patenting
« Reply #75 on: August 24, 2008, 08:06:43 AM »

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Re: Open Source Vs. Patenting
« Reply #76 on: August 29, 2008, 03:26:00 PM »
 Patents do not stop what we want in the effects of open sourced to the public to build for ourselves, but it does stop people from stealing it and making their own companies form it. What open sourcing is like, the invention is a meat, and it gets thrown to a pack of hungry wolves (big business) and it will be devoured with nothing left for you the inventor, and they will change it a little and patent it and you won't be able to build and sell for you don't have the patent.

Big buisness loves open sourcing.

 Roll Eyes Reality check!!

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Offline ashtweth_nihilisti

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Re: Open Source Vs. Patenting
« Reply #77 on: August 30, 2008, 05:27:29 AM »
HERE here!

Also i state, ALL if not 99.9% do not know of the limitations the patent office has READY for them ONLY, being the FREE ENERGY inventor.
There is already limitations now with the patent office for FREE energy device
check the attached.

Things are slightly different TODAY, but ask Jack Hildenbrand  and read this NEW page on the subject.
http://panacea-bocaf.org/howtheywentwrong.htm
ask what would of happened if JACK at least licensed/open sourced it like Ossie Freedom.

He could of made money, he thought other wise
Now Jack Hildenbrand.is a victim to the patent office

HELLO :)

Ash

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Re: Open Source Vs. Patenting
« Reply #78 on: August 30, 2008, 05:48:29 AM »
Howdy Y'all,

The patent system is a very clever deception.  On the surface it is a way for inventors to protect their inventions and deliver the profits to the people who deserve them.  But the underlying mechanism is to control technologies entering the market.  When the powers that be see technologies moving through the patent office that they do not want in the public domain they can stop the technologies there before they enter the public domain.  The patent system is really an insidious way of controlling technology and keeping beneficial technology out of the hands of the people that could benefit from it.  It is a very evil deception...

Blessed Be...


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Re: Open Source Vs. Patenting
« Reply #79 on: August 30, 2008, 07:13:18 AM »
Howdy Y'all,

The patent system is a very clever deception.  On the surface it is a way for inventors to protect their inventions and deliver the profits to the people who deserve them.  But the underlying mechanism is to control technologies entering the market.  When the powers that be see technologies moving through the patent office that they do not want in the public domain they can stop the technologies there before they enter the public domain.  The patent system is really an insidious way of controlling technology and keeping beneficial technology out of the hands of the people that could benefit from it.  It is a very evil deception...

Blessed Be...

One question.  When is the last time you have heard of a company, any company, file a patent lawsuit to prevent someone else from manufacturing a free energy device?

Compare that to the normal amount of patent lawsuits out there.  Keep in mind how a patent lawsuit comes about:

1.  Someone is using a technology, usually to make money.
2.  Someone else says, "Aha, that technology is close to my technology"
3.  That someone else sues.

Notice how that is not happening here.

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Re: Open Source Vs. Patenting
« Reply #79 on: August 30, 2008, 07:13:18 AM »
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Re: Open Source Vs. Patenting
« Reply #80 on: August 30, 2008, 07:14:49 AM »
No, Wrong, You haven't been to the EBM lab and seen the 10 tone device and or tested it and or understand how much they charge for their device. I do.I can see AGAIN that you have no idea of the situation. First you should of gone there your self to find out how much they are charging to use their device and license it.Think people give away a ten tone device to use for normal money?, LOL, your allot dumber then i thought. You think you can just purchase one for a few 1000 dollars?  The point is, your incredulous assumptions are not based on any experience, and your avid skeptic guesses are in now way a contribution much like your R and D attitude i see. I hope you learn and better your self soon and contribute.

I noticed how you conventiently do not know of a single company licensing the EBM technology or using an EBM device to power anything.  I guess their price is so high no one can afford it?  Maybe they ought to come down, what do you think?

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Re: Open Source Vs. Patenting
« Reply #81 on: August 30, 2008, 07:28:27 AM »
Howdy Utilitarian,

As far as I can tell free energy patents never make it through the patent office, so there is nothing to sue over...

pity...

Blessed be...

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Re: Open Source Vs. Patenting
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Re: Open Source Vs. Patenting
« Reply #82 on: August 30, 2008, 07:30:09 AM »
I noticed how you conveniently do not know of a single company licensing the EBM technology or using an EBM device to power anything.  I guess their price is so high no one can afford it?  Maybe they ought to come down, what do you think?

>conventiently

Its spelled conveniently

I noticed how you don't know a single thing about the Patent office,REAL case files, EBM.
Please do this research

>  I guess

Yes these guessing of yours need not be, there is enough HARD facts to show you the benefits of OPEN source against Patenting.
That is self evident what you asked me



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Re: Open Source Vs. Patenting
« Reply #83 on: August 30, 2008, 07:34:24 AM »
>conventiently

Its spelled conveniently

I noticed how you dont know a single thing about the Patent office,REAL case files, EBM and i cant find your R and D any where.

>  I guess

Yes these guessing of yours need not be, there is enough HARD facts to show you the benefits of OPEN source against Patenting.
That is self evident what you asked me


WTF, a spelling flame?  Are you really stooping that low? You should reread your last few posts before you start down that road.

So, tell me, where in the world is even a single EBM device being used to generate energy, besides, allegedly, at EBM's headquarters?  Surely their device must be in use somewhere, after all these years in the business.

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« Reply #84 on: August 30, 2008, 07:37:48 AM »
One question.  When is the last time you have heard of a company, any company, file a patent lawsuit to prevent someone else from manufacturing a free energy device?

Compare that to the normal amount of patent lawsuits out there.  Keep in mind how a patent lawsuit comes about:

1.  Someone is using a technology, usually to make money.
2.  Someone else says, "Aha, that technology is close to my technology"
3.  That someone else sues.

Notice how that is not happening here.

You missed the boat.

The Patent doesn't get that far, and if it does, its still vulnerable to other weaknesses, not only this , its the method of DISCLOSING IT, which is what the metaphor for the patent is, where as open sourcing allows security and ensures dissemination, and also as we prove again this is stated to remind every one, can still make money.  The point he was making, is the FREE ENERGY patent doesn't get that far, in marketing, in manufacture, and at OTHER levels, look at the document i posted.Plus it opens up un necessary interference from other factions, not only this, but many other things.

Therefore, with FREE ENERGY technology, the scales still favor open source

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Re: Open Source Vs. Patenting
« Reply #85 on: August 30, 2008, 08:15:55 AM »
Howdy Utilitarian,

As far as I can tell free energy patents never make it through the patent office, so there is nothing to sue over...

pity...

Blessed be...

Free energy patents do make it through.  They just have to be phrased in such a way as to not appear to be perpetual motion devices, which is easy to do.

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« Reply #86 on: August 30, 2008, 08:18:06 AM »
You missed the boat.

The Patent doesn't get that far, and if it does, its still vulnerable to other weaknesses, not only this , its the method of DISCLOSING IT, which is what the metaphor for the patent is, where as open sourcing allows security and ensures dissemination, and also as we prove again this is stated to remind every one, can still make money.  The point he was making, is the FREE ENERGY patent doesn't get that far, in marketing, in manufacture, and at OTHER levels, look at the document i posted.Plus it opens up un necessary interference from other factions, not only this, but many other things.

Therefore, with FREE ENERGY technology, the scales still favor open source

I think you missed my point.  My point is that big business is not trying to shut down free energy by buying up patents.  Big business does not care about the threat of free energy, because that threat is non-credible.


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Re: Open Source Vs. Patenting
« Reply #87 on: August 30, 2008, 08:21:46 AM »
Wrong on all accounts.

The Pros and cons of the open source Issue Vs Patent Issue is already shown in CASE files.
The Remedy is now been proven by a CASE file too.

As for you lack of knowledge and experience in EBM, and in the same "guess work" thinking you know big business and the patent office, this is irrelevant.


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Re: Open Source Vs. Patenting
« Reply #88 on: August 30, 2008, 11:18:25 AM »
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Things are slightly different TODAY, but ask Jack Hildenbrand  and read this NEW page on the subject.
http://panacea-bocaf.org/howtheywentwrong.htm
ask what would of happened if JACK at least licensed/open sourced it like Ossie Freedom.

He could of made money, he thought other wise
Now Jack Hildenbrand.is a victim to the patent office

Ash

Hi Ash,

I think you ought to refresh your text on Jack Hildebrand's patent issue at you site  ( http://panacea-bocaf.org/howtheywentwrong.htm )  with the following piece of news, see these links here: http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,2386.msg118579.html#msg118579   and http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,2386.msg118736.html#msg118736

Thanks,

Gyula

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Re: Open Source Vs. Patenting
« Reply #89 on: August 30, 2008, 11:33:08 AM »
Hi Gyula!

Thanks for the update and feed back, i don't think this is his sensitive gravity motor he was referring too?
Jack gives a good example how the Path to the Patent office with this technology is anything but Normal.


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