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Author Topic: Open Source Vs. Patenting  (Read 108990 times)

Offline nwman

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Re: Open Source Vs. Patenting
« Reply #30 on: April 26, 2007, 05:13:28 AM »
I say just take it to the guys on Myth Busters! That's my plan! j/k. I'm not sure if this has been commented on or no but you could also run the patent application through as if it was a toy or a piece of hardware. It wouldn't be red flagged as a PMM and you would still git the patent that would protect the design. If you can patent it in the major countries then I believe you have rights to all sales of the products in that country. That would be enough for me. Another thought is to take it to a university and have them stand behind you. Or like d3' said in a battle keep your friends close and your enemies closer. You may want to offer the Chinese a lease on the rights and have them build them for you. You could then sell them cheaper to the world then building them yourself. This does go against my belief in trying to keep jobs in the US though. Either way it would be fun to try and figure it out once you have something that works! ;)

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Re: Open Source Vs. Patenting
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Re: Open Source Vs. Patenting
« Reply #31 on: May 04, 2007, 12:46:05 PM »
@NWMAN
Either way it would be fun to try and figure it out once you have something that works!

Patent and get you or your family killed.... Dont patent, and have the last few years of your life, and all the money you invested in your invention wasted.....  Not my idea of fun.   Regards Frank

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Re: Open Source Vs. Patenting
« Reply #32 on: May 23, 2007, 11:02:48 AM »
If you want to save yourself and the planet, open source is the only way! Think about it!

If you managed to find a way to say, take advantage of a little known quirk in Faraday physics and came across a method of which to extract vast amounts of energy using 0 input (as an e.g) You will still make more than enough to live on and retire way more than comfortably.

Building units by hand in your garage, then a small workshop, while employing poorer single mothers to do the piece work for an exceptional rate...

So what you missed the global option, but they will know who you are, or not know, if that's what you want. ether way, you will have a thriving business that can expand into servicing very rapidly.....

No stresses, no stomach ulcers and no crooks trying to rip you off every single day of your life...

So make the website.......

Plans for members (Members subscription is $75 PA)

The fully printed kit plans are $200 (you think 400 million will be enough sales until Pirate bay and Bit torrent take over..even so, there are plenty who wouldn't know how to log into a password protected XP let alone find out what a bit torrent is, seriously!
I bet only 20% of people that have a computer know how to place a password on one!


The machine is $20 k (or whatever is reasonable) fully constructed and in kit form (made from sourcing third party help, i.e Poor single mothers..(Don't laugh, these people can't work full time but a chance to make $20 an hour is great, so long as it's on their time). Winding coils or making pressed parts, you supply the component making machine and show them how, they will love you!

So You won't end up a Billionaire, but is that what you want? If so, get out of this forum!
What you will do is this,,

Break the corrupt American Global Financial Systems back and send them into the pits of hell! (Not the Americans just the bankers riding on an Illegal system!, See Constitution, 1916, Federal reserve)

You will open up the entire world to better technology, you didn't think you would remain top dog did you? patent or not! This can only change our ways into the future for the future, political landscapes will change instantly as people become independent with energy, the markets will change and people living the high life now will find power and politicians no longer count for much. I'm not talking anarchy, just a change in methods and influence and a huge reduction globally in how big a government should be, or should need to be.


You will remove the need for Further Conflicts in the middle East and give the Rich thugs that would see you dead if you patent it the message that their little Kingdom is finished! and now they are going to be reduced to the Illiterate masses they forgot to educate) and a few of them will make allot selling plastics, if they are smart....

You will Save the world from Pollution killing us outright! When 1 Billion Chinese stat driving Carbon powered vehicles in the next 20 years, it's all over baby! No one will eat! No one can afford to eat! and only 1/5th of the worlds population will survive the Oil crash! i.e no oil! Imagine having to use wood / coal fired steam locomotives just to get wheat from East to west USA again?

So do you want to be Billionaire or a very wealthy human, personally, spiritually or otherwise alive and enjoying the precedent your efforts made not just for now, but for the entire future of humanity! As it is, there is a freight train coming and it's called fate!

You reap what you sow...

Do you think Searl would just be making a first demo for Patenting now, some 40 years later, if at the beginning of the internet boom he went open source? Imagine all those court cases he waisted time on, the cost and stress, more so the lost time! It would have happened 10 years ago, the Searl foundation! Imagine.......

So it goes open source, There it can be improved and taken to greater levels, all the time you have a hand in it and know that it will be you who gets the service calls and makes the newer models, plan sheets and kits for sale.....

Of course others will too, like how many flavors of Linux are there? But they will be mostly in other countries, counties and working to different conditions, some of which you don't want to deal with!

my 2cents












« Last Edit: May 23, 2007, 11:44:43 AM by 2012 »

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Re: Open Source Vs. Patenting
« Reply #33 on: May 26, 2007, 11:03:40 AM »
Is this open sourced enough?? However i still intend to patent it and retain all rights to the technology. As well as getting filthy rich in the process! Open source & patenting how dare I? 

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Re: Open Source Vs. Patenting
« Reply #34 on: May 26, 2007, 03:14:53 PM »
I Will,

Open source, won't come under patent fires,, where as Patenting it is like hey you ill take that off you,you did not patent it, now read about the hypocrites talking about saveing the planet.


watch useing technology to destory the planet = http://youtube.com/watch?v=NrERPOBMO04  ,

also watch, deprave the world of food and useing gm to poision it even more to make people even more sick >  http://youtube.com/watch?v=JdvhNnM850w

Links dead...

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Re: Open Source Vs. Patenting
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Offline lancaIV

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Re: Open Source Vs. Patenting
« Reply #35 on: May 26, 2007, 06:29:05 PM »
Patented objects are ever open source :
for DIY-self-producer,
for the industry after the 20(US:17)-years period
or the patent right only validate national .
Only a small part of the WIPO-archive ,energy related, publications did receive the right-award !

The russian TRIZ-Analytician Altschuller told to the world,
that 95% of all problem-solutions are in technical/physical existence,
we have only to search for the wished solution-effect
and where this is a permanent/periodical phenomen !
Sometimes we need -tactical/strategical-the  patent monopole right,
as example :
the Joseph C. Yater Thermionic cell,
cell materials are aluminium and copper,
with 1Kg foiled metals you can convert up to 50000 KW heat to electricity ,
with exspected 100% Carnot-efficiency !
Now we can also use,to need less cell-aerea/material,
the Argonne-Lab scientist Wilkinson invention-
a light-concentrator with an up to  20000x light density Quotient !
To realize the concentrator is ,relatively to the cell structure ,easy,
the cell can only be produced by machines,
so I do not see any chance to find  industrial interests without to receive warranties
for the investment risk ! 
The DIY-alternative would be the Ernesto Gomez thermovoltaic cell,
but the financial effect will be 10x higher KWH-price ,
compared with the Yater-cell !
I am ever pro-Patent when this "MONOPOLE" gives me and other positive effects !

Sincerely
            dL


Offline d3adp00l

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Re: Open Source Vs. Patenting
« Reply #36 on: May 28, 2007, 06:26:59 AM »
One problem my friend, if I see what you design, and I have money, then I get my lawyers to patent it, that I sue you into the stone age(and everyone you sold plans to). Then I change it a bit so it doesn't quite work show that product, no one has faith in it and it disappears. 7 years of slander and mystique put it out of the main stream, and that is about it. If you the original inventor decide to build it after the 7 years, I just threaten you and your family, heck I might even do something more than scare you. Or just buy you off, cough(Steven mark(s)). Its a game of chess and one doesn't win chess by making one winning move its a series of moves that leads up to that one move and keeping your opponent from seeing your end goal.

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Offline FreeEnergy

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Re: Open Source Vs. Patenting
« Reply #37 on: May 28, 2007, 07:10:58 AM »
One problem my friend, if I see what you design, and I have money, then I get my lawyers to patent it, that I sue you into the stone age(and everyone you sold plans to).

sold plans to? Open Source is not about selling out.

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Re: Open Source Vs. Patenting
« Reply #38 on: May 28, 2007, 08:06:10 AM »
One problem my friend, if I see what you design, and I have money, then I get my lawyers to patent it, that I sue you into the stone age(and everyone you sold plans to). Then I change it a bit so it doesn't quite work show that product, no one has faith in it and it disappears. 7 years of slander and mystique put it out of the main stream, and that is about it. If you the original inventor decide to build it after the 7 years, I just threaten you and your family, heck I might even do something more than scare you. Or just buy you off, cough(Steven mark(s)). Its a game of chess and one doesn't win chess by making one winning move its a series of moves that leads up to that one move and keeping your opponent from seeing your end goal.

You just need to make a book and trademark it, you will be protected again ass that do that

Offline lancaIV

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Re: Open Source Vs. Patenting
« Reply #39 on: May 28, 2007, 12:07:02 PM »
"Photocopying" ,invented,so told us,by Australians,commercial realized by Japaneses,
led us copying myriad times a book or plan content,
a copyright is also only valid between B2B relationship !
No inventor,worldwide, can more stop the human-CAD2CNC2CIM evolution,
c=computering=calculation,with all "KALKUEL" !
Pythagoras:translated to german speech "GOTT ZAEHLT !"
use the ,PANDORA-,freedom of the publicated ideas !
Destroy illegal barrier !
 
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p.s.: Please, do not misinformate the consumer about commercial rights and
       commercial obligations !
       Informate about their freedom and possibilities to repeat physical good
       ideas,products  and their effects,the use is the only signal of personal
       acceptance !
     

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Offline ring_theory

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Re: Open Source Vs. Patenting
« Reply #40 on: May 28, 2007, 05:14:47 PM »
One problem my friend, if I see what you design, and I have money, then I get my lawyers to patent it, that I sue you into the stone age(and everyone you sold plans to). Then I change it a bit so it doesn't quite work show that product, no one has faith in it and it disappears. 7 years of slander and mystique put it out of the main stream, and that is about it. If you the original inventor decide to build it after the 7 years, I just threaten you and your family, heck I might even do something more than scare you. Or just buy you off, cough(Steven mark(s)). Its a game of chess and one doesn't win chess by making one winning move its a series of moves that leads up to that one move and keeping your opponent from seeing your end goal.

The main problem with that whole scenario is that your not going to be winning the suit. The original inventor is going to walk into the courthouse and take all your money. BAH! Your opponent allready knows what your end goal is. It is no secret! Let's see Hmmm Family taken, dead, or disassociative. Scare? Hmm good luck with that! Something more? LOL! Offense and Defense doesn't only apply to chess. Your not going to like what you find when you get here.  ::)   

Offline d3adp00l

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Re: Open Source Vs. Patenting
« Reply #41 on: May 29, 2007, 02:59:21 AM »
documentation can be manipulated, and the inventor will, has always, lost and exhausted his monetary supply to fight. Look at all of the examples in the last hundred years, Tesla, the inventor of so much (including radio) had his patent taken until it suited the government to give it back after he was dead. Just go through and read about anyone who comes up with an idea that might actually work, there is a short list of what happens to them, whether they patent it or not. But what can be said is that none of them are around to discuss a darn thing, are they? And if they are even said to be alive, good luck finding them. If you guys want to discuss the possible outcomes of patenting or opening it up, lets do it sighting examples.
Heres example #1 for patenting, Stan Meyer. Need I say more? O.K. I will Tom Ogle. I can go on.
An example of no patents, oh wait some major company patented it, and the inventor is gone and broke. So that leads to #3
Patents owned by large companies/government that bury the info. Steven Mark(s),Tesla etc.
Just look at the history of the moves and the pattern will arise. Once you see the pattern, then you will see that 99.9% of the moves are covered.
People generally have two motives for building O/u or even efficient new power sources, MONEY, or for the general good of mankind. From there the choices of the individuals are easy to predict, and therefore easy to defeat.


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Re: Open Source Vs. Patenting
« Reply #42 on: May 29, 2007, 03:51:56 AM »
documentation can be manipulated, and the inventor will, has always, lost and exhausted his monetary supply to fight. Look at all of the examples in the last hundred years, Tesla, the inventor of so much (including radio) had his patent taken until it suited the government to give it back after he was dead. Just go through and read about anyone who comes up with an idea that might actually work, there is a short list of what happens to them, whether they patent it or not. But what can be said is that none of them are around to discuss a darn thing, are they? And if they are even said to be alive, good luck finding them. If you guys want to discuss the possible outcomes of patenting or opening it up, lets do it sighting examples.
Heres example #1 for patenting, Stan Meyer. Need I say more? O.K. I will Tom Ogle. I can go on.
An example of no patents, oh wait some major company patented it, and the inventor is gone and broke. So that leads to #3
Patents owned by large companies/government that bury the info. Steven Mark(s),Tesla etc.
Just look at the history of the moves and the pattern will arise. Once you see the pattern, then you will see that 99.9% of the moves are covered.
People generally have two motives for building O/u or even efficient new power sources, MONEY, or for the general good of mankind. From there the choices of the individuals are easy to predict, and therefore easy to defeat.

BAH!

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Re: Open Source Vs. Patenting
« Reply #43 on: May 29, 2007, 12:36:57 PM »
http://v3.espacenet.com/textdoc?DB=EPODOC&IDX=GB337066&F=0
from 1930;

http://v3.espacenet.com/textdoc?DB=EPODOC&IDX=DE4311631&F=0
from 1993;

http://v3.espacenet.com/textdoc?DB=EPODOC&IDX=DE202006009117U&F=0
from 2006;

Did Mr. Chang received the best service from his patent attourney ?

Never ex(s)pect today high service quality or you will have to control their work,
as consequence that you do not need them !


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p.s.: Old patent concepts/ideas can also have a function of a price guard,
       they can have a worser efficiency ,in relation to a new explored invention,
       but the material costs for the old one can be cheaper,
       and probably the manufactoring machines are less sophisticated.
       
       
« Last Edit: May 31, 2007, 06:09:50 PM by lancaIV »

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« Reply #44 on: May 31, 2007, 08:24:21 AM »
I am confused to the point you are trying to make with the patent list urls. But I find the  old one to be quite funny, I drew better than that in junior high.

And is "bah" a reply? JK.

Anyways the only way I can see to win the game is this find something that works, make a bunch of then on your own dime. Get a bunch of people who can understand and replicate the idea together and give them one, have them do the same. Keep it quiet, out of all head lines. Then install the devices in useful applications, and on the count of 3(or word from the orginal inventor) everyone floods it all out to local people, showing them the exact how and why. Have everyone around you building or buying them. In multiple places on the face of the globe. By the time mainstream news hit it there will be too many who understand it, and no one really knows who thought of it first, it simply IS. If a couple thousand units showed up all around the world at the exact same time, its check and mate.

Of course doing that in the U.S. would be an act of treason, and punishable by death. And I am being serious, the gov would get really bent by not being able to exploit the device for military only purpose. They would make us pay anything to keep their military advantages, as if they don't have enough already.

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