Author Topic: 12 times more output than input, dual mechanical oscillation system ! (Read 2222553 times)

ltseung888 · « **Reply #3285 on:** May 22, 2015, 03:12:53 AM »

Looks like we can break the design into many parts.

1. What is the best material and construction for the donut or circular track?
2. What kind of cart to place the magnets?
3. What kind of magnets?
4. What is the best Pulse Control mechanism?
5. What is the best DC Power supply circuit and mechanism?
6. What is the best energy extraction coil and circuit?
7. What are the best control mechanisms?
8. What is the best energy lead-out mechanism?

These questions should be passed to top engineering teams. The theory and the formula are clearly laid down. The theoretical foundation is solid. The device can be built into standard "thrusters".

This forum is one of the places to share information. However, some may see the commercial value and may want to keep their research confidential. (Some military establishments may be forbidden to disclose any information.)

The lead-out energy Flying Saucer is no long a possibility. It is a certainty. The new paradigm will be here. Enjoy the Divine Wine...

Lawrence
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Pirate88179 · « **Reply #3286 on:** May 22, 2015, 04:57:51 AM »

RE: The Donut Shaped Flying Saucer.

Here is another version...with sprinkles, which may add to inflight stability under high G forces.

Bill

ltseung888 · « **Reply #3287 on:** May 22, 2015, 03:04:09 PM »

Quote from: webby1 on May 22, 2015, 02:03:02 PM

Lawrence,,

Look at the pic of Franken Motor,, you see it is a donut,, aka round shape.

I used a single coil for a bunch of tests,, those included a single pulse of varying duration relative to coil length to see about spin down stuff,, all sorts of things I tested and was looking for.

What it is that YOU are saying is there is NOT there the way YOU are thinking it is.

What is making the magnet "TURN" into and away from your coils?? What is that force doing and where is it making things want to move to,, and why is it rotating the direction of that force??

Let us examine the operation of the fifth design of the Flying Saucer.

1.   Let us start from rest. The permanent magnet (PM) is at the bottom with the S pole nearer the LHS. The Energy giving Pulse Coil is turned on. The Coil will have N pole facing the S pole of the PM. The magnetic force of attraction will move the PM in the anti-clockwise direction.
2.   The PM will accelerate (gain in velocity) as the force of attraction gets stronger.
3.   The DC current supply to the Coil is switched off as soon as the PM reaches the middle of the Coil. This step is essential. If not, the PM will be attracted back.
4.   The PM will continue the high velocity during the top side of the circle. This will give a high Centrifugal Force.
5.   The Pulse should be strong enough to move the PM a few rotations (with the energy take-out coil open and no additional pulse). This will test the set up so that frictional and other losses will not affect the operation.
6.   The Pulse Circuit can then be turned on and off. The PM should keep increasing in velocity. A high RMP can be achieved. A laser detection mechanism is recommended.
7.   The Energy take-out circuit can now be started. This will take-out some energy and the PM moves slower on the bottom half of the donut. The velocity, however, should be strong enough for the operation to continue,
8.   By adjusting the resistance of the take-out coil, we should be able to achieve steady state – the velocity at the top is higher than that of the bottom with a consistent value.
9.   We can then measure the net Centrifugal Force.
Hope the above description is clear enough.

Lawrence
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Low-Q · « **Reply #3288 on:** May 22, 2015, 04:28:41 PM »

Quote from: ltseung888 on May 22, 2015, 03:04:09 PM

Let us examine the operation of the fifth design of the Flying Saucer.

1. Let us start from rest. AND LEAVE IT THAT WAY.

The only sentence that is true is the first one. The rest is just whishful thinking.

Vidar

ltseung888 · « **Reply #3289 on:** May 22, 2015, 11:02:46 PM »

Quote from: webby1 on May 22, 2015, 04:04:38 PM

and the coil will also want to move in the other direction.
...

When we play with circular motion, we always need to consider counter-rotating pairs. The pairs can be jointed in many ways - on top or side-by-side. They may not even be matching.

Only the PM is rotating after proper set up. The resulting thrust is upwards in the diagram.

Lawrence
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ltseung888 · « **Reply #3290 on:** May 23, 2015, 02:09:51 AM »

Quote from: webby1 on May 23, 2015, 12:24:36 AM

I am very aware of that approach.

Here is a pic of DRUM,, Dual Rotor Useless Motor.

I used this for a few counter rotating force kind of things,, I could make it lift one corner,, rotate,, drop a corner,, all sorts of things except get lighter.

This one is interesting because all of the normal case torques and forces are internally canceled,, so I can spin it up as fast as I want, as quick as I want,, using the drive coil, without anything else changing or moving,, unless I decide to put a secondary resistance in place that the case sees,, I can also decelerate it using the drive coil without anything else changing.

Great. Examine the fifth design diagram in reply 3302 again.

With two counter rotating PM in donut tubes, we can have two net centrifugal forces going up. Other forces cancel out.

I am sure that the USA and Chinese Military have such prototypes. If they did not have it last week, they will have it now. Other Nations can develop it in no time - Russia, Japan, India...

tagor · « **Reply #3291 on:** May 23, 2015, 12:51:30 PM »

Quote from: ltseung888 on May 23, 2015, 02:09:51 AM

"lead out energy " ...

use this device to charge a battery and look if your "lead out energy " exist or not ?
http://www.getampy.com/
http://www.frandroid.com/0-android/kickstarter/249563_ampy-batterie

ltseung888 · « **Reply #3292 on:** May 24, 2015, 12:56:08 AM »

Attended a funeral service of a Political Figure. He was willing to speak his mind and took on controversial positions.

One of his famous quotes: "It is more important to clearly state one's political stand than to worry about one's reputation."

My stand is - lead-out energy flying saucer is a certainty. It must be developed to benefit the World.

The pastor said: "Trust in the Lord. He will guide you to walk on the right path."

One group of University students said: "Centrifugal Force is greater if the angular velocity is greater. This is simple. There is no need to complicate matters and confuse people."

Lawrence
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ltseung888 · « **Reply #3293 on:** May 24, 2015, 03:48:52 AM »

Quote from: webby1 on May 24, 2015, 02:43:42 AM

Faith is blind Lawrence,, Faith will not build or move things,, it takes work to do that,, it takes effort.

Indeed,, CF\CP go up with RPM or pulse velocity even,, now f=ma and the more "a" the more "f" and the more "m" the more "f".

Then you have the flip side to all that,, the more "f" exerted on the "m" the more "f" is exerted on the coil,, in the other direction.

I do know a few techniques to supply that "a" without having the "f" providing a negative function,, but I will leave it up to you to figure out a method to do that.

I also know a few techniques to remove the velocity,,, but again I will leave it up to you to figure out a method to do that as well.

Let us know when you have something that works.

Reply 3302 got all that figured out already. Obviously the university students in Hong Kong are better equipped to understand...

There is zero chance that the top military research establishments in China and USA not understanding...
I am sure that they have techniques better than the ones I outlined.

Building an actual flying saucer is beyond my present resources...

ltseung888 · « **Reply #3294 on:** May 24, 2015, 09:37:09 PM »

In many of the pulse wheel designs (e.g. Tong, Bedini), the permanent magnets and the coils are set at some angle. Such arrangements do not use the magnetic flux at the optimal. However, with tuning, they can still show signs of overunity.

Magnetic flux is not stationary. When another magnet is close or when there is motion, the magnetic flux will change. It is almost impossible to analyze theoretically. Much will rely on experiments to check the results.

The best example is the 225 HP Pulse Motor.

With the fifth design of the flying saucer in reply 3302, the magnetic flux may be used in a much more optimal fashion. Thus it will provide both thrust and lead-out electromagnetic energy. The electromagnetic energy is likely to be the electron cloud or electron motion energy already present in the magnetic materials.

Lawrence
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Pirate88179 · « **Reply #3295 on:** May 25, 2015, 04:39:20 AM »

Quote from: ltseung888 on May 24, 2015, 09:37:09 PM

In many of the pulse wheel designs (e.g. Tong, Bedini), the permanent magnets and the coils are set at some angle. Such arrangements do not use the magnetic flux at the optimal. However, with tuning, they can still show signs of overunity.

Magnetic flux is not stationary. When another magnet is close or when there is motion, the magnetic flux will change. It is almost impossible to analyze theoretically. Much will rely on experiments to check the results.

The best example is the 225 HP Pulse Motor.

With the fifth design of the flying saucer in reply 3302, the magnetic flux may be used in a much more optimal fashion. Thus it will provide both thrust and lead-out electromagnetic energy. The electromagnetic energy is likely to be the electron cloud or electron motion energy already present in the magnetic materials.

Lawrence
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There has never been ANY evidence that the 225 HP motor works as described. None. None at all. Do you have any evidence that it does?

Bill

ltseung888 · « **Reply #3296 on:** May 25, 2015, 11:30:51 PM »

I shall briefly repeat the lessons I learned from the 225 HP Pulse Wheel.

1.    The 225 HP Pulse Wheel was funded by Andrew Wong of Hong Kong and developed in USA.
2.   One slice of it was supposed to be shipped to Tsinghua University and I with Lee Cheung Kin was to explain its operation using the Lead-out energy theory in 2006.
3.   The USA Authorities took out all electronics and the slice just contained coils and magnets. No demonstration could be done.
4.   However, we were able to explain the operation using the lead-out energy theory. The USA team was impressed and phoned the Headquarters to inform them of the good news.
5.   We made the mistake of explaining the Tsinghua University Energy Multiplier to the USA team at the same time.
6.   When we returned to Hong Kong, we found ourselves suspected as US spy. All support vanished.
7.   I made the most stupid mistake in my life – try to reproduce the pulse wheel with my limited resources.
8.   We compromised and developed a few versions of the Tong Wheel. The third version showed signs of overunity and we demonstrated it at the Convention Center in Hong Kong. The details are in the thread titled – The Lee-Tseung Lead-out theory”
9.   The biggest compromise was the use of the proximity switch to do the ON and OFF of the DC current. The theoretical correct way is to detect the position to turn ON and detect the position to turn OFF.
10.   In experiments, sometimes it relies on the experience of the implementer. Mr. Tong was familiar with the proximity switch and was able to get some results. We knew that it was not the best but we were eager to show something so that we could get more support. The pulsing was far from optimal. However, the demonstration was successful. We got orders for the Tong Wheel and got some funding support.
11.   I decided to go for flux change systems with no moving parts. I used the joule thief technique and used a cheap oscilloscope. That gave the wrong impression of overunity. Much time was wasted.
12.   I finally learned the lesson – I am not an experimental scientists. I do not have the resources to build a team to do proper experiments.
13.   Divine help came again last year when I re-examined the Milkovic 2SO (this thread). The development led to the Chan Wheel and the flying saucer.
14.   Looking back, I was right in 2006 when explaining the lead-out energy theory. The 225 HP Pulse Motor was real. It became a top secret of both USA and China. I was lucky to be exposed to it because the traditional scientists at that time did not have an explanation.
15.   Is it the Divine Will that all Humans will benefit from this lead-out energy flying saucer technology?

Lawrence
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Pirate88179 · « **Reply #3297 on:** May 25, 2015, 11:36:27 PM »

Quote from: ltseung888 on May 25, 2015, 11:30:51 PM

No demonstration could be done.

All support vanished.

I am not an experimental scientists. I do not have the resources to build a team to do proper experiments.

Lawrence
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I rest my case.

(Note: For brevity, the above quotes are quoted only in part.)

Bill

ltseung888 · « **Reply #3298 on:** May 27, 2015, 03:48:05 AM »

In 2006, available to Tsinghua University were:

1. 188 HP Laing car
2. Wang Shen He permanent magnet motor
3. Energy Multiplier

They were trying to explain the source of "mysterious" energy.

We just said that - when we push a pendulum horizontally, the tension in the string will increase. That will lead-out gravitational energy. That is a possible scientific explanation. If we can lead-out gravitational energy, we can lead-out electromagnetic energy.

We then applied the explanation to the Laing car, the Wang generator and the Energy Multiplier. We also did the same to the 225 HP Pulse motor.

Lawrence
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Pirate88179 · « **Reply #3299 on:** May 27, 2015, 03:51:54 AM »

Quote from: ltseung888 on May 27, 2015, 03:48:05 AM

In 2006, available to Tsinghua University were:

1. 188 HP Laing car
2. Wang Shen He permanent magnet motor
3. Energy Multiplier

They were trying to explain the source of "mysterious" energy.

We just said that - when we push a pendulum horizontally, the tension in the string will increase. That will lead-out gravitational energy. That is a possible scientific explanation. If we can lead-out gravitational energy, we can lead-out electromagnetic energy.

We then applied the explanation to the Laing car, the Wang generator and the Energy Multiplier. We also did the same to the 225 HP Pulse motor.

Lawrence
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Lawrence:

Gravity is a closed system...all energy is conserved. There is nothing that can be lead out of gravity.

Surely you know this by now?

Bill

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