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norman6538

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Re: 12 times more output than input, dual mechanical oscillation system !
« Reply #2535 on: January 26, 2015, 09:03:08 PM »
Ok the Chalkalis stuff is about 4 years old and by now if it works should be everywhere - even Walmart - but is not, therefore it gets a big red flag from me.

Now, what I saw was the same as my tests of the chan wheel. Adding spin on the down swing is more effective than elsewhere but he is not getting the chan wheel "yankdown work" that comes completely free.

And my experience has been the when you take power out of a syncronized system it goes
unsyncronized and likely under unity - UU.

Again, I don't build devices of that size till a small one proves the concept - then I go for  the serious scale up. I did like the smaller one with the drill driver motor.

Norman

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Re: 12 times more output than input, dual mechanical oscillation system !
« Reply #2536 on: January 27, 2015, 12:39:12 AM »
Ok the Chalkalis stuff is about 4 years old and by now if it works should be everywhere - even Walmart - but is not, therefore it gets a big red flag from me.

Now, what I saw was the same as my tests of the chan wheel. Adding spin on the down swing is more effective than elsewhere but he is not getting the chan wheel "yankdown work" that comes completely free.

And my experience has been the when you take power out of a syncronized system it goes
unsyncronized and likely under unity - UU.

Again, I don't build devices of that size till a small one proves the concept - then I go for  the serious scale up. I did like the smaller one with the drill driver motor.

Norman

The Chalkalis stuff is about 4 years old.  The inventor and supporters all focused on getting energy out from the spinning Unbalanced Wheel itself.  A new direction may be to treat that Unbalanced Wheel as a "tool" to lead-out gravitational energy only.  Chalkalis himself is not a Physicist and the average academic physicist just walks away without doing serious experiments.  So far, I have not seen vigorous scientific measurements on Input Power, Output Power, Torque etc from that camp yet.  In particular, I would like to see the waveforms from oscilloscopes to confirm harmonic motion and the amplitude increase at resonance.

The William Skinner device was shown in 1939.  Is it a real Gravity Machine?  It is made up of rotating unbalanced wheels...
 
It is a similar case with the Milkovic 2SO.  The inventor and supporters all focused on pushing the pendulum.  The amount of energy that can be lead-out is small. Once they change their mindset and go for the Unbalanced Wheel, their results will be much better.  The Milkovic 2SO must have been around for more than 4 years?

I shall turn to the more theoretical points.

1.  If there is a constant field, an object will go along the lines of that field.  An example is gravity.  A mass will fall.
2.  If the constant field is wind, an object will be blown in the direction of the wind.  But is it possible to sail into the Wind?  My late  father owned a Chinese fishing yacht with two sails. The crew was able to sail into the wind in a zigzag path.  They did that to impress us. (But the more practical way was to use the outboard motor...)
3.  If the field were fluctuating, we may be able to "sail along" or "sail into" the field.  Our device may use the "force" in one direction to propel and "ignore or diminish" the effect of the "force" in the opposite direction.
4. If the field is in one direction, can we use a "jumping" action to "use or extract or bring-in" some of its energy? Is the Milkovic 2SO an example?

5,  If the field itself is fluctuating, can the "jumping" action "use or extract or bring-in" more of its energy?
6.  If we can produce the field ourselves, what are the implications?
7. If the "materials to produce the field" already possess energy (magnets or dipoles), can the resulting output energy "use" such existing energy and be more than the observed input energy???

Morality Point:

A permanent magnet can be used to do work.  The amount of work performed can be many times that used to create it...

The Chan Wheel stuff is helping to improve the Milkovic 2SO.  My gut feel is that it will also improve the Chalkalis stuff.

If Chalkalis bluntly told the World 4 years ago that a Balanced Wheel cannot bring-in gravitational energy but an Unbalanced Wheel can, what would have happened?  (We are doing that now.)

norman6538

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Re: 12 times more output than input, dual mechanical oscillation system !
« Reply #2537 on: January 27, 2015, 01:45:14 AM »
Lawrence said
Morality Point:

A permanent magnet can be used to do work.  The amount of work performed can be many times that used to create it..."

A case where this is done is in your auto radiator fan. They all have permanent magnets
and coils and if you think about that you realize that half of the power can come from
those permanent magnets. The other half comes from the battery current which should
mean a 50% power savings.

Yes permanent magnets can do useful work.
And I agree but I know how hard this crowd is on measurements.
Even measurements are not enough. The final test is always can it be looped back to itself?

All we need is  a small force to release a larger force of a permanent magnet.
I've seen various examples of this but no one has shown good measurements
and none looped back to itself. For example Echlin generator and also the Flynn parallel path stuff.


Norman
« Last Edit: January 27, 2015, 01:24:00 PM by norman6538 »

ltseung888

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Re: 12 times more output than input, dual mechanical oscillation system !
« Reply #2538 on: January 27, 2015, 02:53:51 AM »
Hi Norman,

I enjoy the technical discussion.  I am sure that we are on the right path.  If I were to advice the Peru Group, I would ask:

1. If one wheel works, how about two wheels on the same axle?
2. If two wheels is better, how about multiple wheels (or a cylinder as in the Tsinghua University Energy Multiplier)?

Why are they not using the Unbalanced Cylinder after 4 years?  It is obviously a superior setup???
Why is Milkovic and supporters not using the Unbalanced Wheel...

Am I disclosing Chinese State Secrets?  What will they do?

Lawrence

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Re: 12 times more output than input, dual mechanical oscillation system !
« Reply #2539 on: January 27, 2015, 05:04:55 AM »
You should read Kanarev's treatise on Impulse Power which relates here and is very enlightening. He includes all of the math to show how you can easily achieve over-efficiency utilizing a pair of opposing unbalanced weights.

Here's a portion:

ltseung888

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Re: 12 times more output than input, dual mechanical oscillation system !
« Reply #2540 on: January 27, 2015, 05:12:26 AM »
The Tsinghua University Energy Multiplier Secret?

ltseung888

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Re: 12 times more output than input, dual mechanical oscillation system !
« Reply #2541 on: January 28, 2015, 01:16:04 AM »
Can we treat the trampoline as a lead-out or bring-in energy device?
 
We know that gravity acts downwards.  An athlete jumps at the right time on the trampoline.  The result is a much higher height reached.  The action acts against gravity.  Gravity pulls the athlete down – providing him with gravitational energy.  Can we say that the athlete uses this energy to help him bounce higher?
 
Is it a case of leading-out or bringing-in gravitational energy to do useful work?  Is the resulting height achieved comes from a combination of the “jumping energy” and the lead-out gravitational energy?
 
If jumping can bring-in gravitational energy, the Milkovic 2SO, the Unbalanced Chan Wheel, the Peru Unbalanced Wheel, the Tsinghua Unbalanced Cylinders are all “jumping devices”.
 
There is little doubt that the lead-out energy is real.  If we can lead-out or bring-in gravitational energy, we can…


Example of leading-out electromagnetic energy:

Kanarev's (Electro)Magnet Motor with Schematic
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b7pdykBFLMQ

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Re: 12 times more output than input, dual mechanical oscillation system !
« Reply #2542 on: January 28, 2015, 04:08:56 AM »
So there a new picture by premarajan.

As the sims show, most power is offered by free floating variation.

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Re: 12 times more output than input, dual mechanical oscillation system !
« Reply #2543 on: January 28, 2015, 04:31:20 AM »
So there a new picture by premarajan.

As the sims show, most power is offered by free floating variation.

If you look at his older pictures it looks like a finalization of an earlier machine that he hadn't completed yet. I wish he'd put up a video and some results.

And I agree with you that having more than one range of motion (floating oscillation) is the only way to go.

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Re: 12 times more output than input, dual mechanical oscillation system !
« Reply #2544 on: January 28, 2015, 11:59:18 PM »
The Tsinghua University Energy Multiplier Secret? (reply 2546)

Feedback?
 
We shall never work with you again.  Our hard work will have no financial return.
 
Morality Point:
 
Profit and Benefits to the World - can they be mixed?
 
The beauty of the Unbalanced Wheel or Unbalanced Cylinder is that it can bring-in gravitational energy and make almost any device OU.  The road block of Violation of the Law of Conservation of Energy is removed...
 
The experiment suggested on reply 2525 can be done by almost any group - academic or industrial.  The secret of the 225 HP Pulse Motor is out.  Oil prices are unlikely to rise significantly again.

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Re: 12 times more output than input, dual mechanical oscillation system !
« Reply #2545 on: January 30, 2015, 03:43:44 PM »
New pendulum pump replica from India:

Pendulam Operated Water Pump

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FGGfk6peHdI

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Re: 12 times more output than input, dual mechanical oscillation system !
« Reply #2546 on: January 30, 2015, 06:13:40 PM »
And yet the Feltenburger pendulum pump seems to be easier to operate and pumps more water/hour.

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Re: 12 times more output than input, dual mechanical oscillation system !
« Reply #2547 on: January 30, 2015, 07:32:34 PM »
I almost forgot to mention the Laing car that is supposed to generate 188 HP.

It contained two cylinders.  One can be an Unbalanced Cylinder with permanent magnets.  The other contains pulse coils or equivalent.  Both gravitational and electromagnetic energy can be brought-in.

We can now see that the pendulum is not as interesting as the unbalanced wheel or cylinder...

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Re: 12 times more output than input, dual mechanical oscillation system !
« Reply #2548 on: January 31, 2015, 01:16:13 AM »

Feedback?
 
We shall never work with you again.  Our hard work will have no financial return.
 
Morality Point:
 
Profit and Benefits to the World - can they be mixed?
 
The beauty of the Unbalanced Wheel or Unbalanced Cylinder is that it can bring-in gravitational energy and make almost any device OU.  The road block of Violation of the Law of Conservation of Energy is removed...
 
The experiment suggested on reply 2525 can be done by almost any group - academic or industrial.  The secret of the 225 HP Pulse Motor is out.  Oil prices are unlikely to rise significantly again.

Are any of you in a position to do the Tsinghua University Energy Multiplier with Unbalanced Cylinders in reply 2546?
  The story was that an eighty year old inventor put one of these devices in a factory and saved 90% electricity bills.  The local electricity company accused him of stealing electricity.  He found Tsinghua University to be the "judge".  Tsinghua found him innocent. 

The technology became an "unexplained state secret" until Lee and Tseung proposed the lead-out energy theory.

The lead-out energy theory predicts that the Milkovic 2SO, Chan Wheel, William Skinner Device, Bessler Wheel, Peru and Chas Campbell Devices are all theoretically sound.  The Unbalanced Cylinder is likely to be superior as it is many unbalanced wheels bundled together.

Who will reproduce this "unexplained Chinese State Secret" and benefit the World?

If leading-out gravitational energy is possible, how about magnetic and electromagnetic???

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Re: 12 times more output than input, dual mechanical oscillation system !
« Reply #2549 on: January 31, 2015, 02:07:31 AM »
You harbor sometimes entertaining fantasies Lawrence.  With all the folks choking in severe smog, if the PRC government had access to a technology that made easy and cheap energy savings of the kind you claim one would wonder why they would not aggressively deploy such a thing.