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ltseung888

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Re: 12 times more output than input, dual mechanical oscillation system !
« Reply #2400 on: December 16, 2014, 08:49:24 PM »
Analysis of the Christmas Gift
 
6.   If gravitational energy can be brought in, magnetic or electromagnetic energy must be able to be brought in similarly.  We can replace the pendulum with a magnet or do the equivalent of a horizontal pendulum with magnetic fields.
 
This shows the true power of a theory.  If the theory is correct, it can project or predict other cases not covered by the initial experiments.  If the Lead-Out Energy Theory is correct, it predicts not only the leading out of gravitational energy.  It also predicts the leading out of magnetic and electromagnetic energies.  That will give solid theoretical ground for research into Pulse Motors, Motionless Flux Change devices etc. 
 
The many devices discussed in the Patrick Kelly Book will see day light.  The obstacle posted by “the Law of Conservation of Energy cannot be violated” is removed.  If we can lead-out or bring-in energy from the surrounding environment, we do not violate this Law.

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Re: 12 times more output than input, dual mechanical oscillation system !
« Reply #2401 on: December 17, 2014, 12:21:37 AM »
Analysis of the Christmas Gift
 
5.   The Yuen Wheel consists of two or more unbalanced wheels.  Experimenting with the size of the wheel, the magnitude and number of weights on the rim of the wheel is likely to yield the Bessler Wheel which can lead out gravitational energy to rotate for 53 days and do some mechanical work.
 
The Yuen Wheel is interesting because it has been used to test the various parameters of the unbalanced wheel.  We experimented with the number of weights and their positions on the rim of the bicycle wheel.  We also experimented with one, two, three and four wheels on the same axle.  We shall do some experiments with two axles.
 
The experimental results so far suggested that the Bessler Wheel may not be a hoax.  We may indeed lead out enough gravitational energy to make the device running forever with some energy to spare.
 
However, we shall focus on the Chan Wheel first.  The Chan Wheel will provide the necessary scientific data to confirm the lead-out energy theory.  Once the theory is confirmed beyond any shadow of doubt, the rest will be smooth sailing.  One of the most difficult part in measuring the Input Energy of the Milkovic 2SO has been solved in the Chan Wheel.  We measured the drop in potential energy of the weight at the rim.
 
Some actually argued that the Milkovic 2SO itself is sufficient proof already.  However, we would like to have a working lead-out energy device in our own “laborartory”.


I would be interested in seeing one running under load. I have built several 2SO devices and they all ran fine until a load was applied and then they would fail. Please be sure to add this to your testing.

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Re: 12 times more output than input, dual mechanical oscillation system !
« Reply #2402 on: December 17, 2014, 06:42:48 AM »

I would be interested in seeing one running under load. I have built several 2SO devices and they all ran fine until a load was applied and then they would fail. Please be sure to add this to your testing.

LOL
yes the the 2So ran fine without load ...
I can lift 10000 kilos with one finger ... and a very very very big lever !!

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Re: 12 times more output than input, dual mechanical oscillation system !
« Reply #2403 on: December 17, 2014, 12:36:49 PM »
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7.   The magnetic or electromagnetic fields can be much more powerful than the gravitational field.  We can change the polarity, the magnitude and the direction of magnetic or electromagnetic fields easily.
 
This is why the Lead-Out Energy Theory is so important.  Others use the term zero point energy.  We use standard Physics and Mathematics. 

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Re: 12 times more output than input, dual mechanical oscillation system !
« Reply #2404 on: December 17, 2014, 05:10:29 PM »
LOL
yes the the 2So ran fine without load ...
I can lift 10000 kilos with one finger ... and a very very very big lever !!


It's not the lever portion that fails but rather the output falls out of resonance with the input driving it. As long as the output load remains within the resonant window it will run. If the load exceeds this window, it will slow down and stop.

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Re: 12 times more output than input, dual mechanical oscillation system !
« Reply #2405 on: December 18, 2014, 08:15:51 AM »

It's not the lever portion that fails but rather the output falls out of resonance with the input driving it. As long as the output load remains within the resonant window it will run. If the load exceeds this window, it will slow down and stop.

you need to learn more physics

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Re: 12 times more output than input, dual mechanical oscillation system !
« Reply #2406 on: December 18, 2014, 03:45:17 PM »
The first set of experimental results from the Chan Wheel.
The Output was assumed to be W1 x g x h1.
Where W1 is the Weight on the LHS to be lifted.  It was 1.25kg.
g is the gravitational constant.
h1 was estimated as shown in the attached diagram.

The value of h1 varied from 2.1cm to 7cm.  The 2.1cm was obtained when the screws were loose.  Once the screws were tightened, most figures fluctuated around 4.6cm.  There were a few values close to 7cm.  One possible explanation might be the slight sliding of the pivot point position.  The next experiment will eliminate this problem.

The Input was assumed to be the loss of potential energy of the Unbalanced Weight W2.  W2 was positioned at the top position and allowed to fall (position A).  The Unbalanced Wheel would rotate and the highest position reached (B) was found.  In the experiment, this drop in height h2 was found from examining the video frame by frame.  W2 was 0.26kg.  The drop in height was 3.5cm.

Thus the coefficient of performance COP = Output energy / Input Energy
  = (W1 x g x h1)  / (W2 x g x h2)
  = (1.25 x g x 4.6) / (0.26 x g x 3.5)
  = 6.32

This confirms that the Chan Wheel is overunity as expected.  More experiments will follow to ensure such results are consistent and reproducible.  We know that energy required to maintain a balanced wheel is weight independent.  The frictional force is the factor to overcome.  The energy required to maintain the rotation of an unbalanced wheel is not understood well yet…

From the experiments so far, a shaky Chan wheel will lose much energy.  A firm Chan Wheel showed a COP of 6.32.  This may be solid evidence of Lead-out energy.

Have other 2SO researchers tried the above experiment???

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Re: 12 times more output than input, dual mechanical oscillation system !
« Reply #2407 on: December 18, 2014, 04:52:00 PM »
you need to learn more physics


Ouch! I feel soundly admonished and I accept your kind offer. I am willing to be shown where my statement is deficient because I'm always willing to learn something new.


Looking forward to your response!

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Re: 12 times more output than input, dual mechanical oscillation system !
« Reply #2408 on: December 18, 2014, 05:34:13 PM »
Input height estimation from the angle and the radius via the video.
 
The frame with the unbalance weight at position B is shown below.
 
It is obvious from the experimental data so far that the Output energy is much more than the Input energy.  Source is lead-out energy.  Shall do much more testing with Mr. Peter Chan and with third party universities.
 
video in:
http://youtu.be/XJrPzkdFBHU
 
God Bless.
« Last Edit: December 19, 2014, 01:14:37 AM by ltseung888 »

tagor

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Re: 12 times more output than input, dual mechanical oscillation system !
« Reply #2409 on: December 18, 2014, 06:00:18 PM »

Ouch! I feel soundly admonished and I accept your kind offer. I am willing to be shown where my statement is deficient because I'm always willing to learn something new.


Looking forward to your response!

you put your device a litle above the resonance
then you put a load ...
if it is slowing => you get resonance ... and more output ( with what you think ! )

now did it stops ?

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Re: 12 times more output than input, dual mechanical oscillation system !
« Reply #2410 on: December 19, 2014, 08:50:10 PM »
you put your device a litle above the resonance
then you put a load ...
if it is slowing => you get resonance ... and more output ( with what you think ! )

now did it stops ?

Thank you tagor.
 
You probably explained why the Chan Wheel showed a much higher lifting of the weight in the third, forth, fifth or sixth rotations sometimes.  The Chan Wheel was repaired.  There was no more sliding of the pivot.  The surprising result of much higher lifting of the weight stated above was repeated and reproduced every time (6 times).  COP was clearly much greater than 6.32.  The ruler set up was not able to measure the height lifted but the value was definitely greater than 10cm compared with 4.6cm in previous measurements.
 
Thus 12 times more output was confirmed from such experiments.
 
Christmas present is now ready.  Blessed be the Almighty.
 
http://youtu.be/uU0WFJ6ezLc
 
The comparison with the balanced Chan Wheel that will not lift weight is shown here.
 
 http://youtu.be/qHrDL3d4Wt8


 
We shall arrange for third party engineers to validate the results and then send two Chan Wheels to local Hong Kong Universities for more scientific and accurate measurements.

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Re: 12 times more output than input, dual mechanical oscillation system !
« Reply #2411 on: December 20, 2014, 02:36:07 AM »
The new question is:
 
1.  To maintain the rotation of a balanced wheel, the energy required is to overcome friction.  The weight of the wheel is not an important factor.
 
2.  What is the energy required to maintain the rotation of an unbalanced Wheel?
 
3.  If the unbalanced does not do a full rotation, it will swing backwards and forwards like a pendulum.  The energy required will be similar to that of a pendulum.
 
4.  If a pulsd pendulum can lead out gravitational energy, can an unbalanced wheel with initial excess potential energy lead out gravitational energy?
 
5.  Will that explain why the Weight can be lifted to greater height at the 3rd to 6th rotations sometimes? 
 
6.  There can be vigorous mathematics for the pulsed pendulum.  Can there be similar mathematics to determine the actual energy lead-out or bring-in for the Milkovic 2SO or the Chan Wheel?

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Re: 12 times more output than input, dual mechanical oscillation system !
« Reply #2412 on: December 20, 2014, 08:59:13 AM »

Thus 12 times more output was confirmed from such experiments.

with this miraculous COP ...

I am waiting :

1) transformed weith-lift into heat
2) transformed heat into electricity
3) transformed electricity into mecanical work
4) and bingo , loop the device !

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Re: 12 times more output than input, dual mechanical oscillation system !
« Reply #2413 on: December 20, 2014, 09:01:34 PM »
with this miraculous COP ...

I am waiting :

1) transformed weight-lift into heat
2) transformed heat into electricity
3) transformed electricity into mecanical work
4) and bingo , loop the device !

Dear Tagor,
 
The much easier strategy is:
 
  1. Get third party engineers to confirm the results at Mr. Peter Chan’s Office.
 Help them to build their own Chan Wheels.  Have two or more local universities to do more   vigorous scientific measurements.
  2. Once the Lead-out Theory is confirmed beyond any shadow of doubt, heavily promote it.
  3. Other experiments will be done by multiple parties simultaneously.

·        Convert up and down motion into circular motion to do loopback.
·        Convert up and down motion into electricity by moving iron rod in coil.
·        Put Unbalanced Wheel in horizontal position and simulate a horizontal pendulum.  Use magnetic fields instead of gravitational field to lead out energy.
·        Change the simple Unbalanced Wheel to a Pulse Wheel with magnets and electromagnets.
·        Use two Unbalanced Wheels to produce the Bessler Wheel effect – rotate forever. (Yuen Wheel). 
·        Re-examine existing Pulse Wheels to see the resonance (or pushing pendulum at right time) mechanisms.  Check that these Wheels are actually at best resonance conditions.
·        Check whether the Chinese or USA Government will release details of the 225 HP Pulse Motor.
·        Pour funding into promising “overunity or free” energy research projects.  Some likely candidates include the WITTS generator or the QEG; the Tong or Ting Wheels; the motionless devices such as the Steven Mark TPU etc.
·        Let some leading Universities conduct seminars and conferences on “Lead-out Energy” research.  Check whether the assumption of leading-out electron motion or electron cloud energy is correct.
·        Get one or more Lead-out Energy devices to produce 5KW for the average home and solve the energy crisis forever…
 
I would not advise pouring too much resource into pure gravitational devices.  It is like human muscle flight.  The leading-out of magnetic and electromagnetic energy is more practical. 
 
God Bless.

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Re: 12 times more output than input, dual mechanical oscillation system !
« Reply #2414 on: December 21, 2014, 01:27:09 PM »
you can look the 2so like this pic



here you can study the pendulum
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pendulum

and the double pendulum


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Double_pendulum