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aleks

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Re: 12 times more output than input, dual mechanical oscillation system !
« Reply #450 on: June 03, 2007, 08:43:37 PM »
Hi anybody ever looked at the "Electric Pulse Pendulum Power Generator" ?

http://www.wipo.int/pctdb/en/wo.jsp?IA=WO2005100787&DISPLAY=DOCS

So, we are late with this discussion.. while we are arguing about 'possibility' others already take patents. :) And it is 1.5 years old already... However, its drawing is different from Milkovic device.

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Re: 12 times more output than input, dual mechanical oscillation system !
« Reply #451 on: June 04, 2007, 08:59:53 AM »
Well I don?t know much about patents but this one surely looks bs to me. Starting with the bottom of page 7, where it says that E=m*9.82*9.82*0.60=57.624 Nm, everything bellow goes erroneous. That?s because, if I?m not too old, E=m*g*h and NOT m*g*g*h. You figure the rest?

So, I come back with my kind request above, although off-topic: is this a mere patent application and is to be rejected (I suppose) or is this a valid patent? (I really hope it is not!!! Otherwise, it would very badly shake any faith I have in patents.)

Respectfully,

Tinu

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Re: 12 times more output than input, dual mechanical oscillation system !
« Reply #452 on: June 04, 2007, 03:39:51 PM »
Well I don?t know much about patents but this one surely looks bs to me. Starting with the bottom of page 7, where it says that E=m*9.82*9.82*0.60=57.624 Nm, everything bellow goes erroneous. That?s because, if I?m not too old, E=m*g*h and NOT m*g*g*h. You figure the rest?

Sorry, I may be totally wrong, but they are talking about pendulum - not about a single piece of weight (that potentially falls down)

From some textbook:
Pendulum, after falling to the point where height=0 instead of E=mgh acquires velocity V=2gh, and so it acquires kinetic energy that is equal to E=mV^2/2.

Beside that the unit was tested and results were confirmed. They are receiving continuous 60 W while invesing 16.8 W two-second pulses, at intervals of 4 seconds. So, 2/6*16.8=5.6 W/h results in 60 W/h output. Pretty huge, very close to performance of Milkovic device.
« Last Edit: June 04, 2007, 08:09:58 PM by aleks »

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Re: 12 times more output than input, dual mechanical oscillation system !
« Reply #453 on: June 04, 2007, 05:51:24 PM »
The Milkovic principle seems to work as can be seen here in this simulation:

http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,2138.msg33596.html#msg33596

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Re: 12 times more output than input, dual mechanical oscillation system !
« Reply #454 on: June 04, 2007, 06:25:05 PM »
Here is also a newer video from Mr. Milkovic.
Many thanks for mentioning my website in it !

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=6377655322209610872


Best regards, Stefan.

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Re: 12 times more output than input, dual mechanical oscillation system !
« Reply #455 on: June 23, 2007, 04:13:57 AM »
Hello, I have posted a video to google of my replication of Veljko Milkovic's machine. Hope you find it interesting. The file name is veljkomilkovic01.

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Re: 12 times more output than input, dual mechanical oscillation system !
« Reply #456 on: June 23, 2007, 09:34:34 AM »
Brilliant simple design! Now you just need a little generator to run off the wheel and some device to electrically swing the pendulum (to be run by the generator). I wonder how much the spring on the chain takes away from the overall performance. Is it a very light weight spring?

Here is the direct Google download link:

http://video.google.com/videogvp/veljkomilkovic01.gvp?docid=3218487552793730311

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Re: 12 times more output than input, dual mechanical oscillation system !
« Reply #457 on: June 23, 2007, 12:30:08 PM »
Hello Nightguy2
Well done.I also guess,that some of the Power is konsumed by the Spring.
Perhaps you can fix the chain on the oter position quite near to the point.where the
Pendulum is fixed on.

helmut

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Re: 12 times more output than input, dual mechanical oscillation system !
« Reply #458 on: June 23, 2007, 03:35:22 PM »
Great video, well done,
here is the direct link to stream it in the browser:

http://video.google.de/videoplay?docid=3218487552793730311

Please keep us updated about any new progress.
Many thanks.

Regards, Stefan.

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Re: 12 times more output than input, dual mechanical oscillation system !
« Reply #459 on: June 23, 2007, 03:46:58 PM »
Please try to couple a generator to the wheel and try to power the pendulum from this generator output via pulses to an electromagnet to kick the pendulum weight.
Many thanks.

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Re: 12 times more output than input, dual mechanical oscillation system !
« Reply #460 on: June 24, 2007, 07:44:21 AM »
Hi all, great work going on here!
I'm new here but I've been interested in this stuff for ages.

 I thought of making a model of this device in Meccano but I'm a bit short of parts at the moment (I'll be working on it) - seems to me that you could check out the power of a real one by powering the swinging weight with a solenoid and gradually increasing the weight on the other end of the arm until it didn't rise . .
then you use that as a guide when you harness the output since it is short but strong oscillations, a little tricky to convert efficiently into rotary motion . . . .
Twelve times the input does seem pretty amazing though . . . ..

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Re: 12 times more output than input, dual mechanical oscillation system !
« Reply #461 on: June 24, 2007, 06:46:18 PM »
Please try to couple a generator to the wheel and try to power the pendulum from this generator output via pulses to an electromagnet to kick the pendulum weight.
Many thanks.

Maybe someone has an old battery powered baby swing that they could convert:

http://www.amazon.com/Fisher-Price-Smart-Stages-Rocker-Swing/dp/B000NK5GJW

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Re: 12 times more output than input, dual mechanical oscillation system !
« Reply #462 on: June 25, 2007, 06:03:42 AM »
I must be missing something....the concepts he's decribing are things I figured out when I was about 10 I think. It's nothing more than transfer of energy via fulcrums and pendulums...and I might add this is what I would call a far-from-unity machine. As demonstrated with his flashlights, he was continuously pushing the pendulum with the other flashlight thus keeping enough energy into the system to cause enough force to bang the lever on the "test" flashlight. Given enough of a lever and a properly placed fulcrum and one could move the world...is that how it goes.
I'm sorry,afer about five minutes of watching this I thought it was a gag video....something to tease everyone with. This guy acts like he just discoved gravity or something....hey, but what do I know.
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Re: 12 times more output than input, dual mechanical oscillation system !
« Reply #463 on: July 02, 2007, 10:34:20 AM »
Yeah,
And look at his oscillator pdf's...we're comparing voltage to power... Voltage = Current * Resistance... Power = Voltage*Current = Current^2*Resistance...Apples to oranges. All this mans done is show that yes conservation of momentum is still true...Mass*Velocity at time1 = Mass*Velocity at time2...lower mass, higher velocity, higher unloaded voltage...brb, i'm gonna get him a gold star...and you all get one too.

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Re: 12 times more output than input, dual mechanical oscillation system !
« Reply #464 on: July 10, 2007, 09:59:39 AM »
Untill you've built it and tested it yourself you'll probably never believe it. Thank god there are researchers here willing to do the job since you would never bother. So please try not to belittle others hard work. Real losers don't even attempt.

I too am a skeptic but even in simulations I've seen some merit in this device.

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