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Author Topic: 12 times more output than input, dual mechanical oscillation system !  (Read 2213697 times)

nandoanalog

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Re: 12 times more output than input, dual mechanical oscillation system !
« Reply #435 on: May 31, 2007, 11:25:31 PM »
 Hi. I know nothing about what you guys are talking about. I barely went to school...

 Today, about 5 hours ago, I came to this site, and it said that this device can put out more energy than you need to put in. So, I grabed some tools and build one of those devices.

 Well... It sure doesn`t put out more energy than I need to put in.

 So, can anyone give me some exact plans of how I should build it?
 

nandoanalog

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Re: 12 times more output than input, dual mechanical oscillation system !
« Reply #436 on: June 01, 2007, 12:58:03 AM »

 I just realized that this device just cant work. It`s not even 99% efficient.

Dingus Mungus

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Re: 12 times more output than input, dual mechanical oscillation system !
« Reply #437 on: June 01, 2007, 01:59:38 AM »
I made another setup much more intuitive.

Now the hand stroke is simulated in another way.

Have fun!

PS: Sorry for correlative posts.
(http://www.overunity.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=1763.0;attach=7483;image)

After analyzing this sim for hours last night:
First thing is "P output" is not actually output in any sense of the word.
The spring is acting like a flywheel, which is why output rises above input.
As soon as you apply any load at all, the excess energy is converted,
and the secondary arm begins runs at less than half the input wattage.
(50N spring VRS. 0.1N damper)

So this sim still proves my initial point...
Untill you start removing energy, putting it in is missleading.

Dingus Mungus

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Re: 12 times more output than input, dual mechanical oscillation system !
« Reply #438 on: June 01, 2007, 02:07:39 AM »
Aloha,
Pardon me. I wrote "of how we are using mechanical means of accomplishing work" when I should have written " of how we are using mechanical means of producing energy."
Aleks- you said "the power comes from 'out there'". Please, it's no great mystery. In fact, it's way to simple. It's just electro-gravity. You have been living in it all your life. Like wind, you cannot see it, but you see it's effect. A wire can have 200 volts in it, can you see the electricity? The electricity does not harm the wire, and it is not visable. Like gravity, electro-gravity.
Bill

Bill,

I couldn't help but notice you used the term "electro-gravity"...
How exactly did you unite "Electro-magnetism" and "gravity"?
The world of physics has been hunting for that equation for 50 years!
Please post it! BTW have you also united "strong/color force" and "gravity"?
Then you would have the "holy grail" of physics!

Looking forward to hearing more.
~Dingus

mrgalleria

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Re: 12 times more output than input, dual mechanical oscillation system !
« Reply #439 on: June 01, 2007, 02:41:37 AM »
Aloha,
Dingus Mungas- Regarding the term "electro-gravity". I just coined this term in this forum. I believe it should be used because I believe it more accurately describes what gravity is. Much thanks to Milkovik!
I cannot confuse others nor myself by arbitrarily introducing magnetism into the discussion, though it is true that magnetism can be implied to be at work here too.
To me, though, it's just not as apparent. Sorry, it is true that I am a very simple person, more of a realist than a physicist.
Bill

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Re: 12 times more output than input, dual mechanical oscillation system !
« Reply #440 on: June 01, 2007, 03:08:30 AM »
Ahhh my bad, I was confused...

I had assumed you had united the theories of gravity and electromagnetism!
You see physicists have united electricity and magnetism by proving they were
the same force and phenomenom just observed differently. Then they ran in to
a snag... No one yet has been able to unite electromagnetism and gravity with
a single equation yet. So they are still considered two different kinds of force.
So unfortunately "electro-gravity" is probably a bad term to use until someone
finally figures out the whole unified theory thing first...

~Dingus

aleks

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Re: 12 times more output than input, dual mechanical oscillation system !
« Reply #441 on: June 01, 2007, 07:01:25 AM »
As soon as you apply any load at all, the excess energy is converted,
and the secondary arm begins runs at less than half the input wattage.
(50N spring VRS. 0.1N damper)

So this sim still proves my initial point...
Untill you start removing energy, putting it in is missleading.

But how can you be sure it is exactly a damper spring? It could be a stiff attraction spring that does not oscillate. Hence my question about free oscillations. If these are free oscillations then it is nothing special, at all, and the output graph can't be called 'power out'.

Beside that there is NO indication of pendulum's swing - while it should also 'oscillate' like the output graph. So, output graph may not be tied to swing, at all - it may be exactly the consumed power.

Comment from xnonix could be useful.
« Last Edit: June 01, 2007, 07:33:57 AM by aleks »

aleks

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Re: 12 times more output than input, dual mechanical oscillation system !
« Reply #442 on: June 01, 2007, 09:00:50 AM »
I had assumed you had united the theories of gravity and electromagnetism!
I wonder - if dielectric body carrying surface charge does start to move and accelerate in electromagnetic field, can this be construed to be equal to gravity? Can it be true that physicists are unable to equate electromagnetism to gravity just because they were unable to create electromagnetic system as powerful as the Earth core itself: i.e. because it is non-reproducible, and not because it is nonsense?

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Re: 12 times more output than input, dual mechanical oscillation system !
« Reply #443 on: June 01, 2007, 10:06:33 AM »
Hi all,
after many studies in wm2d my conclusions are in this thread.

http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,2138.40.html

This thread is based on this device optimized for a circular movement.

aleks

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Re: 12 times more output than input, dual mechanical oscillation system !
« Reply #444 on: June 01, 2007, 11:39:35 AM »
Hi all,
after many studies in wm2d my conclusions are in this thread.

http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,2138.40.html

This thread is based on this device optimized for a circular movement.

I'm unable to follow your conclusions. Could you say your conclusions on the model you have posted on this Milkovic thread?

But what is more important - what kind of spring have you used? (wm2d is a bit expensive for me to try it myself)

Paul-R

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Re: 12 times more output than input, dual mechanical oscillation system !
« Reply #445 on: June 01, 2007, 03:42:54 PM »
Aloha,
Dingus Mungas- Regarding the term "electro-gravity". I just coined this term in this forum.
Oh, no you didn't !!!
Here is a google search using electrogravitics:
http://www.google.co.uk/search?hl=en&q=electrogravitics+boeing+b2&btnG=Search&meta=
Paul.

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Re: 12 times more output than input, dual mechanical oscillation system !
« Reply #446 on: June 02, 2007, 12:17:28 AM »
http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,2138.40.html
Everyone in this thread should be in that thread about now...
I found something pretty neat at 6am this morn!

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Re: 12 times more output than input, dual mechanical oscillation system !
« Reply #447 on: June 02, 2007, 07:00:15 AM »
I totally agree with Dingus Mungus!!!!

Everyone should be checking that Juhla thread! Dingus has managed to get a Perpetual motion model Working on WM2D based solely on pendulums and gravity.

Worthy of some serious replication.

Regards.

mrgalleria

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Re: 12 times more output than input, dual mechanical oscillation system !
« Reply #448 on: June 02, 2007, 10:12:51 AM »
Aloha All,
Paul-R- so, your calling me a liar? You can do better than that.
(just did google- electro-gravity)
I really like this forum, there are a lot of optimists here.
Aleks- I enjoy following your line of reasoning, very similar to mine.
But aside from that, sorry I don't know anything about simulation programs. I intend to learn though. Thanks for the introduction to this media.
Bill

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Re: 12 times more output than input, dual mechanical oscillation system !
« Reply #449 on: June 03, 2007, 07:50:31 PM »
Hi anybody ever looked at the "Electric Pulse Pendulum Power Generator" ?

http://www.wipo.int/pctdb/en/wo.jsp?IA=WO2005100787&DISPLAY=DOCS