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Monk

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Re: 12 times more output than input, dual mechanical oscillation system !
« Reply #420 on: May 29, 2007, 07:51:39 AM »
I joined this forum with the entire intent of discussing this thread.

I've looked into cold fusion (too much power needed to make deutirium), Nuke power (currently a second year nuke student, too many licenses needed for that), HHO gas (just a fossil fuel knockoff really).

But this one gravity machine (to me) seems to have alot of promise.

I dont think the issue is whether or not the pendulum keeps going, but the energy needed to move the pendulum versus the energy gained on the other side.

The pendulum will stop, thats a given. But is the energy output enough to keep the pendulum running.

I plan to build one, and hook the thing up to a generator, and have a solenoid kick the pendulum at every return (maybe, depending on the voltage output I can get from the generator.)

Am I positive this will work... Nope, but I have high hopes, and thats what everyone in this forum has, is high hopes for unity/overunity. I am hoping that I could get overunity so I can put a pump on the end of this bad boy and run a moped on compressed gas. How awesome would that be?

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Re: 12 times more output than input, dual mechanical oscillation system !
« Reply #421 on: May 29, 2007, 01:12:28 PM »
I agree with i_ron

In my opinion this, "Milkovic" thread is GROSSLY OVERRATED!! .......we need more proven substence.......SOMEBODY, PLEASE!!! ....   :D


No offence Mr Milkovic

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Re: 12 times more output than input, dual mechanical oscillation system !
« Reply #422 on: May 29, 2007, 01:22:19 PM »
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Re: 12 times more output than input, dual mechanical oscillation system !
« Reply #423 on: May 30, 2007, 01:45:39 AM »
Aloha All, first post.
I think Milkovic gave all of you a good spanking. You missed the point entirely! If you watch the entire video carefully, you should note several things.
1. The video is not for scientists. The reasons should be self apparent from the beginning and I am not going to bother to explain it if you don't already understand.
2. Everybody is talking about the pendulum, with scientific confusion and contradiction. Did anyone notice near the end what the real truth of the device was or was it only me? It was the most elegant and simple example of alternating current. This primitive device is just a window to the truth about energy and gravity. Maybe some of you just think you know so much that you cannot understand that.
3. Look at the patents and drawings at the end, this man is way past the simple device he presented.
4. Look at his solution for unemployment. This fellow is so crafty that he showed this solution to distract governments, and big business from considering his work a threat.
If any of you are so darn smart as you would leave us to believe, then take this primitive device to the next level. Learn what it is telling you about how nature uses the limitless energy of gravity.
Sorry to be so harsh, just cut it out will you.
Bill

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Re: 12 times more output than input, dual mechanical oscillation system !
« Reply #424 on: May 30, 2007, 08:11:36 AM »
I guess it has been proven scientifically this oscillator works:
http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=1763.350 (below you can see power output graph which is 10 times higher than the input graph)

Or does somebody think Working Model 2D is not a scientific application based on newtonian laws?

So, I guess the question is closed. Mega-Corporations now have to 'invent' new laws that do not allow such use of gravity, in order to continue world-wide slavery.

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Re: 12 times more output than input, dual mechanical oscillation system !
« Reply #425 on: May 30, 2007, 11:17:27 PM »
Aloha,
Good point. But Nature uses gravity so well. Rivers offer a good example of energy transmission. Moving huge amounts of water requires huge amounts of energy, yet we make the mistake of taking that for granted as we watch a river flowing. Instead think about how much real energy it takes to move that water, and then ask yourselve "where does that real energy come from?" Milkovic has shown us what gravity energy is, and how it is transmitted. Gravity should now be renamed electro-gravity as gravity is electricity.
The water in the river has taken the electro-gravity that is moving vertically and transmitted it into energy working horizontally. Yet there is so much excess available energy, that if you stand on a boat in the river your body weight does not change. It seems that you should be lighter, as some of the energy (electro-gravity) is being used by the water.
With this knowledge, we can move forward developing devices that capitalize on electro-gravity. Since gravity is electric, then anti-gravity is electric. Many things in Nature exhibit anti-gravity effects- notibly gases. When we understand the electrical differences between the gravity and anti-gravity elements, we can achieve anti-gravity, or better- controlled gravity (electro-gravity).
Bill

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Re: 12 times more output than input, dual mechanical oscillation system !
« Reply #426 on: May 31, 2007, 06:22:31 AM »
Gravity as electro-magnetic force is an old idea it seems, but mainstream physics does not think so. As far as I know, general relativity postulates gravity to be an effect of mass, and it does not relate to electricity in any direct way. (it is that bad)

Of course, I think otherwise. I perceive our earthly gravity as an everlasting electricity flow of ultra low (or zero-constant) frequency, and of considerable power (we people and various physical objects are particles like electrons which "flow" in the earthly gravity field). The only problem is to create a resonator that "connects" to that flow, and which oscillates with it. Of course, you can't do that with antenna or a cable, as you have to have a difference in potential while there is no considerable difference in electrical potential of gravity-electricity in a given small area of space. So, the only way to extract work out of gravity-electricity is to create a mechanical resonator that converts its motion into electricity, which converts energy of a vastly larger system (earthly gravity) into a small closed electrical system composed of generator, battery and various load.

"That's wishful thinking" one would like to say? But one have to prove the model posted by xnonix is wrong, and that Working Model 2D is wrong as well in that respect.

Beside that wind generators are an example of devices that convert energy of a larger system into energy of a closed system.
« Last Edit: May 31, 2007, 06:57:33 AM by aleks »

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Re: 12 times more output than input, dual mechanical oscillation system !
« Reply #427 on: May 31, 2007, 07:42:01 AM »
cevich is right, this looks like it runs off the same idea as a teader-todder--where the fat guy sits 10 feet away from the pivot point and the child sits 5 feet.  If this is OU then so is the pry-bar i use to loosen nuts on my engine, If i tried to use my fingers it would never let loose but with a pry-bar i can break it in 2

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Re: 12 times more output than input, dual mechanical oscillation system !
« Reply #428 on: May 31, 2007, 08:20:59 AM »
cevich is right, this looks like it runs off the same idea as a teader-todder--where the fat guy sits 10 feet away from the pivot point and the child sits 5 feet.  If this is OU then so is the pry-bar i use to loosen nuts on my engine, If i tried to use my fingers it would never let loose but with a pry-bar i can break it in 2

No, it is not similar. The fat guy does not rise as high as the light guy falls... While in this oscillator you can rise 25 kg like you are rising 2.5 kg to the same height. Of course, as xnonix model suggests, you first have to put the system into a surplus resonance (it takes about 10 seconds for his model - note that this does not necessarily increase the amplitude of the beam (spring limits it), but it does increase traction power of the beam, and it can't be limited without stopping the pendulum).

So, the power comes from 'out there'.. The good analogy would be an object made of a non-conductive material which nevertheless may carry an electrical charge. So, the system gains charge seemingly out of nowhere.
« Last Edit: May 31, 2007, 09:13:23 AM by aleks »

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Re: 12 times more output than input, dual mechanical oscillation system !
« Reply #429 on: May 31, 2007, 09:37:58 AM »
Aloha,
aparadox- your pry bar is a more effiecient way to do work with your arm vs your fingers, of course no one will argue with that.
You seem to need some help understanding what Milkovic is teaching. Maybe this will help.
I am going to assume that as a child you did swing on a home swing set. Do you remember the effect that occurs that makes swinging so facinating? It's that weightless sensation you get at that point where the swing reaches the end of travel- sometimes you float off the seat. Well, at that moment you are not weightless, it's just that the energy that was pulling you downwards has been transfered up the chain, across and down the pipes which form the structure of the device, and that energy can be so great that it will lift one or more pipes off the ground momentarily, at the precise moment you feel weightless. It cannot be a mechanical effect (as with the pry bar). It is instantanious, quick like electricity.
Hydro-electric plants draw fractions of energy from movingwater via mechanical means. That proves that electricity is in moving water, and I previously explained how it got there. It is that simple, as it should be, as we knew it would be.
Now that we have a very basic understanding of energy transfer. We have to force ourselves to mentally abandon all of the current and past thinking (last 100+ years) of how we are using mechanical means of accomplishing work. Then we will have access to energy that is clean, harmless, and unlimited
Bill

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Re: 12 times more output than input, dual mechanical oscillation system !
« Reply #430 on: May 31, 2007, 09:59:06 AM »
Aloha,
Pardon me. I wrote "of how we are using mechanical means of accomplishing work" when I should have written " of how we are using mechanical means of producing energy."
Aleks- you said "the power comes from 'out there'". Please, it's no great mystery. In fact, it's way to simple. It's just electro-gravity. You have been living in it all your life. Like wind, you cannot see it, but you see it's effect. A wire can have 200 volts in it, can you see the electricity? The electricity does not harm the wire, and it is not visable. Like gravity, electro-gravity.
Bill

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Re: 12 times more output than input, dual mechanical oscillation system !
« Reply #431 on: May 31, 2007, 10:11:58 AM »
Aleks- you said "the power comes from 'out there'". Please, it's no great mystery. In fact, it's way to simple. It's just electro-gravity. You have been living in it all your life. Like wind, you cannot see it, but you see it's effect. A wire can have 200 volts in it, can you see the electricity? The electricity does not harm the wire, and it is not visable. Like gravity, electro-gravity.
Bill
Surely I understand the situation. Electro-magnetic field is a given thing: we live in it, we are particles compared to it - this is a given. We are subject to gravity due to EM field that builds in and around our bodies, and because our bodies stop the natural earthly field from flowing - thus we have a differing potential than the field itself - and that's why we are attracted (field tries to move us out of its way).

But I'm trying to reason how the charge (energy) accumulates in this oscillatory system. Newtonian physical model proposed by xnonix shows it does accumulate in at least 10x amount compared to the input.

(sorry to be a bit off-topic, but such view on things may describe a recently increasing frequency of people spontaneous combustion evidences - it is scary since it is an uncontrollable thing, but nevertheless such event is possible given energy from the earthly gravity can be accumulated - it is just possible that some unfortunate earthlings open a door for such accumulation within their bodies - hypothesis of static electricity accumulation being a reason of combustion supports this view).

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Re: 12 times more output than input, dual mechanical oscillation system !
« Reply #432 on: May 31, 2007, 06:45:42 PM »
What also puzzles me in the xnonix model is that power on the spring end grows even after the "hand"'s impulse - by about 10% before the next impulse arrives (power on the beam should dampen with time - not increase even if for a short duration)... Exactly this fact looks anomalous - everything builds around it I think.

Also, as far as I understand, the spring in the model presents the active load (it is the same as creating torque in a motor generator out of a linear movement of the beam), and still it does not stop the power from increasing. While nay sayers here insist that the system will stop as soon as you will start drawing the power.

Maybe I'm missing something?

Maybe it is better to create xnonix model - not exactly 'wheel' or 'ball' mass model? xnonix model consists of straight poles of given weights. Also the point of application of impulse to the pendulum may be important. Motor driving pendulum and sharing base with the beam may not be the best approach. An alternative would be a motor mounted on the ground that pulls pendulum via stiff rope by winding it on a pole a bit and then releasing the force, or also unwinding the rope back while the pendulum travels down. The rope being light should not be a limiting factor to the pendulum.
« Last Edit: May 31, 2007, 07:39:12 PM by aleks »

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Re: 12 times more output than input, dual mechanical oscillation system !
« Reply #433 on: May 31, 2007, 08:54:38 PM »
Ok, what i was trying to say is (imagin the device as a teeder todder-the fat guy on one end about 5 ft from the pivot point the light guy to componsate for the big guy now has to sit 10 ft from the pivot point so they can play the game)  Now if the light guy dosn't want to use his feet to go up and down, he can just move back and forth from his position.  That concludes the teeder todder part...........If he wanted to exert less 'work' to create the teeder todder effect he would us a secondary pivot point in this case he takes advantage of gravity by hanging from a rope and swinging on it (just like when we were kids-I went to the park ;D), and just like this machine my dad only had to give me one underdog and i could go for a few minutes.
The fat guy does not rise as far a the small guy falls because he is closer to the pivot point.


cevich is right, this looks like it runs off the same idea as a teader-todder--where the fat guy sits 10 feet away from the pivot point and the child sits 5 feet.  If this is OU then so is the pry-bar i use to loosen nuts on my engine, If i tried to use my fingers it would never let loose but with a pry-bar i can break it in 2

No, it is not similar. The fat guy does not rise as high as the light guy falls... While in this oscillator you can rise 25 kg like you are rising 2.5 kg to the same height. Of course, as xnonix model suggests, you first have to put the system into a surplus resonance (it takes about 10 seconds for his model - note that this does not necessarily increase the amplitude of the beam (spring limits it), but it does increase traction power of the beam, and it can't be limited without stopping the pendulum).

So, the power comes from 'out there'.. The good analogy would be an object made of a non-conductive material which nevertheless may carry an electrical charge. So, the system gains charge seemingly out of nowhere.

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Re: 12 times more output than input, dual mechanical oscillation system !
« Reply #434 on: May 31, 2007, 09:28:15 PM »
That concludes the teeder todder part...........
Well, but how you'll describe surplus output from xnonix model? :)

On the other hand, I agree with some nay sayers that Milkovic did a bit 'bad' job when he used flashlight. He could use a rope with a simple force meter and show the reading (I guess a spring balance should be enough), and then use the same meter to measure force it takes to light a single flashlight (with flashlight being mounted on a stable stand). We could then see the effect better. If we light 9 flashlights with the same force as it takes to light a single flashlight then it's working (of course, after a first couple of pulls that put this system into resonance). Otherwise it's not.

But anyway xnonix model drives me nuts. I can't understand how it works and why it shows surplus energy... of course given, those are not free oscillations, but oscillations under load that transfer shown output energy to the spring (and to the anchored base which probably resembles energy sink point).