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tagor

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Re: 12 times more output than input, dual mechanical oscillation system !
« Reply #780 on: September 01, 2008, 07:58:58 PM »
I can only disagree to what you have said here, as this clearly demonstrates an incredibly easy way to collect more energy

what you say is so so so funny !!
if it is so easy to collect more energy ? so can you tell me , they work on this mecanical dual oscillation for 30 years and they have done a self runner ?

it is easy or not easy that is the question ?

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Tell me why you think the pendulum is in some way diminishing its energy to the hinge, as their motions is totaly unrelated to each other and unable of affecting each other.

you are totaly wrong
the 2 motions are totaly = related
but they are mecanicaly unrelated
 

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Re: 12 times more output than input, dual mechanical oscillation system !
« Reply #781 on: September 01, 2008, 08:40:47 PM »
what you say is so so so funny !!
if it is so easy to collect more energy ? so can you tell me , they work on this mecanical dual oscillation for 30 years and they have done a self runner ?

it is easy or not easy that is the question ?

you are totaly wrong
the 2 motions are totaly = related
but they are mecanicaly unrelated
 

Its not easy, there you have it.
To make it be a self-runner you need to very accuratly time the hinge to pull or do something else which in turn can add energy to the pendulum for each turn, and not disturb or even halt it if the adjustments are done wrong.
I guess the man that created these machines wasn't interested in using a lot of time to make them drive themself when he easly could demonstrate the principle that made these machines exhibit an increased output of energy, (which is the force of gravity and centrifugal force in a state of ocsillation) which then would make people wanna try to do it for themselfs, at least it might be the reason :)

You can say that the moition of the pendulum and the hinge is connected, but still not all true since the pendulums swing doesn't directly add energy to the hinge, but the weight increase and decrease does, but is not related to the speed or "load" of the swing.
I mean, it wouldn't matter if the hinge stayed stationary all the time or if it was in full motion, the pendulum would swing with the same energy because no resistance or load was directly connected to the swing.

Therefore, the pendulum will continiously add energy to the hinge, no matter if you use it or not, and since the extraction of energy from the hinge doesn't affect the total energy of the pendulum you can say that they are not directly affected by each other, at least in one direction.

The way I see the mechanics of this is that when you add a pressure to the pendulum you can then collect the same presure in the hinge but in much larger quantities as it causes no drag on the pendulum.

I don't see any problem with this, of course though it remains to be tested to see if it can run itself, but as I see it its only a matter of skill and not a matter of limitation. I actually got a very crude drawing of a system which could in 'theory' make it run itself, mabye when I get the time I will try to build it ;)

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Re: 12 times more output than input, dual mechanical oscillation system !
« Reply #782 on: September 01, 2008, 10:16:17 PM »
To make it be a self-runner you need to very accuratly time the hinge to pull or do something else which in turn can add energy to the pendulum for each turn,

i do a dual oscillation peuduleum
 a coil give a pull, each turn , to the oscillation system
the input is 1Volt and some mili amps !!  it is truly very easy to do it
but if the pull is week , the dual oscillation stops !!
the link beetween the 2 oscillations is very real , not virtual !!!

have you try what you say ?

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Therefore, the pendulum will continiously add energy to the hinge, no matter if you use it or not,

this is totaly false !
do you know something of physics ? what is the conservation of energy ?

if you don t understand what hapen in this oscillation
you need to try and verify  all your theory by yourself

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Re: 12 times more output than input, dual mechanical oscillation system !
« Reply #783 on: September 01, 2008, 11:09:22 PM »
i do a dual oscillation peuduleum
 a coil give a pull, each turn , to the oscillation system
the input is 1Volt and some mili amps !!  it is truly very easy to do it
but if the pull is week , the dual oscillation stops !!
the link beetween the 2 oscillations is very real , not virtual !!!

have you try what you say ?

this is totaly false !
do you know something of physics ? what is the conservation of energy ?

if you don t understand what hapen in this oscillation
you need to try and verify  all your theory by yourself


I know that law very well and I also know that there are many experiments that is supposed be violating it.
The way I had thought of making it run by itself was purly mechanical and not electrical like you did, because it would be alot more easy and clear to understand, no need of messuring the input voltage/amps versus output and many other variables.
Also, mabye you didn't understand what i said.
The speed, power and resistance of the pendulum is totaly independent of the movment, power and resistance of the hinge.
It does not directly add energy to it, only indirectly via weight, and will not possibly by any means be loaded by the hinge (please test that claim for youself if you do not belive me).
And I thougth you understood that the whole point of this machine was that it broke that law (at least to the extent of what is known to us), and so creating more energy than input by us (not the total energy input).
I also thought that was the purpose of this site, but of course everyone should be allowed to be sceptical of claims that seems to good to be true.




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Re: 12 times more output than input, dual mechanical oscillation system !
« Reply #784 on: September 02, 2008, 01:49:44 AM »
I know that law very well and I also know that there are many experiments that is supposed be violating it.

There is not a single experiment that demonstrates violation of the principle of conservation of energy.  If there was, it would be the biggest scientific news to come about in a long time.  Do you have any examples we do not know about?

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Re: 12 times more output than input, dual mechanical oscillation system !
« Reply #785 on: September 02, 2008, 02:40:32 AM »
Sorry im going to bed now, but i'll try to post some links to experiments which has violated the "law" tomorrow.

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Re: 12 times more output than input, dual mechanical oscillation system !
« Reply #786 on: September 02, 2008, 07:38:03 AM »
There is not a single experiment that demonstrates violation of the principle of conservation of energy.  If there was, it would be the biggest scientific news to come about in a long time.  Do you have any examples we do not know about?
this is totaly true like I said at the begining

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Re: 12 times more output than input, dual mechanical oscillation system !
« Reply #787 on: September 02, 2008, 09:07:34 AM »
energy cannot be created nor destroyed it can only change form. the constant change of form is free energy. this is everything now, then, and before, forever, eternal, no beginning or end. it is universally indivisibly everywhere, absolute. in other words this thing which is the beginning & end of any circumstance has always been which means it has no beginning or end because it is eternal and we are part of this. so yes free energy exists because it is self evident existence is always in constant change to become more and more of its complete self, we just haven't learned exactly how to harness this power yet.

people say you cannot get something for nothing. but what is nothing? if nothing of itself is applicable then there is something there no?

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Re: 12 times more output than input, dual mechanical oscillation system !
« Reply #788 on: September 02, 2008, 09:23:05 AM »
energy cannot be created nor destroyed it can only change form. the constant change of form is free energy. this is everything now, then, and before, forever, eternal, no beginning or end. it is universally indivisibly everywhere, absolute. in other words this thing which is the beginning & end of any circumstance has always been which means it has no beginning or end because it is eternal and we are part of this. so yes free energy exists because it is self evident existence is always in constant change to become more and more of its complete self, we just haven't learned exactly how to harness this power yet.

people say you cannot get something for nothing. but what is nothing? if nothing of itself is applicable then there is something there no?

The only thing you can get for nothing is nothing.  And if nothing is something to you, well, I guess you are getting something, but it's really nothing.

And no, the constant change of energy form is not free energy.  For example, in a pendulum, and, more relevantly, in Milkovic's device, kinetic energy is constantly being exchanged for potential, plus some heat to friction.  However, there is no free energy to be gotten from such a device.  If you are calling this action free energy, well, that's not the free energy we are all looking for, and it cannot be harnessed in any way.  So really, none of what you said makes any sense at all.

It's like saying - this bar down the street offers free beer to everyone.  All you need to do is exchange your money for it, and you can have the free beer.

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Re: 12 times more output than input, dual mechanical oscillation system !
« Reply #789 on: September 02, 2008, 09:34:12 AM »
never mind what i said.
peace

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Re: 12 times more output than input, dual mechanical oscillation system !
« Reply #790 on: September 03, 2008, 06:03:10 AM »
this is totaly true like I said at the begining

Not for too long, at least in the sense of public and general knowledge.
 ;D

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Re: 12 times more output than input, dual mechanical oscillation system !
« Reply #791 on: September 03, 2008, 08:48:40 AM »
Not for too long, at least in the sense of public and general knowledge.
 ;D

can you explain ?

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Re: 12 times more output than input, dual mechanical oscillation system !
« Reply #792 on: September 04, 2008, 04:18:47 PM »
can you explain ?

CoE is going to take a major hit in the near future. And from where you would least expect. Patience my friend, patience.

tagor

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Re: 12 times more output than input, dual mechanical oscillation system !
« Reply #793 on: September 04, 2008, 06:54:58 PM »
CoE is going to take a major hit in the near future. And from where you would least expect. Patience my friend, patience.

I am waiting

I am waiting ...

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Re: 12 times more output than input, dual mechanical oscillation system !
« Reply #794 on: September 12, 2008, 04:14:40 AM »
Latest news from veljkomilkovic.com:

Veljko Milkovic - Video: Pendulum-Lever system different from simple machines better than transmissions

In a new video presentation, Veljko Milkovic, presents great advantages of using pendulum-lever system and ultra efficiency of two-stage mechanical oscillator experimentally demonstrating how it is many times better and effective than the simple machines and transmission systems.

From the contents:
Two-stage mechanical oscillator and two-armed lever;
Two-stage mechanical oscillator and transmission systems with gears, pulley wheels...;
Two-stage mechanical oscillator and pulley (simple machine), screw (simple machine), inclined plane, fly press;
Possible applications in industrial processes - pump jack example;
Hand water pump with a pendulum;
Two-stage mechanical oscillator as a big mechanical hammer...


You can find and watch this video on the next link (Google Video: English subtitles, 35 min.):
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