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Talmin

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Re: 12 times more output than input, dual mechanical oscillation system !
« Reply #720 on: June 06, 2008, 03:27:46 AM »
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CALCULATION OF ENERGY SURPLUS OF THE TWO-STAGE MECHANICAL OSCILLATOR IN THE EXPERIMENT WITH MANUAL DYNAMO LAMPS
In one more analysis and measurement, Jovan Bebic considers the efficiency of Veljko Milkovic's two-stage mechanical oscillator in the famous experiment with the hand flashlights and reports that the output/input ratio is 2.8 times in his same replicated experiment.

http://www.veljkomilkovic.com/Images/Analysis_Jovan_Bebic_3-experiment_dynamo_lamps.pdf


Nihilanth

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Re: 12 times more output than input, dual mechanical oscillation system !
« Reply #721 on: June 08, 2008, 01:01:18 AM »
Sorry to be a bother, but does anyone know where I could download whatever that physics simulation software is, or better yet, If someone could test this for me, I'd appreciate it.
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Re: 12 times more output than input, dual mechanical oscillation system !
« Reply #722 on: June 08, 2008, 01:21:41 AM »
Sorry to be a bother, but does anyone know where I could download whatever that physics simulation software is, or better yet, If someone could test this for me, I'd appreciate it.
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go here: http://workingmodel.design-simulation.com/WM2D/download.php

Nihilanth

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Re: 12 times more output than input, dual mechanical oscillation system !
« Reply #723 on: June 09, 2008, 09:29:47 AM »
Thank you, but for some strange reason, I can't seem to figure out how to find the dimensions of an object. Also, It won't let me save.

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Re: 12 times more output than input, dual mechanical oscillation system !
« Reply #724 on: June 14, 2008, 06:01:38 PM »
I asked Stephen to do the Computer sim for this and he said to give him a chance to get caught up on things.
Thanks

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Re: 12 times more output than input, dual mechanical oscillation system !
« Reply #725 on: June 19, 2008, 06:58:53 AM »
Hey everyone,
 

I don't know if you ever saw this???? There is no other details about it it just says someone built
9 kg pendulum running on 5 watts - download the video clip to see it - 5.21 MB

If you can't open the one above just go to the link below
 
Look at this one and scroll down a little (you'll see the picture of it a pendulum)
There is very told about what is going on and no details about the builder?? I tried look Ron up and could not find anything on google or youtube???????

http://www.veljkomilkovic.com/AktuelnoEng.html

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Re: 12 times more output than input, dual mechanical oscillation system !
« Reply #726 on: June 19, 2008, 03:28:50 PM »
Hi Everybody
Just some questions someone may have the answer to.
Anyone who has tested this seems to find ou,where is the extra energy coming from? perhaps no one has told the machine it needs it!!!
Why is there no self runner,generate some juice,feed it to a coil to attract the pendulum,can't be that difficult for the very learned people in this forum.
happy hunting
peter

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Re: 12 times more output than input, dual mechanical oscillation system !
« Reply #727 on: June 19, 2008, 07:15:45 PM »
Hey everyone,
 

I don't know if you ever saw this???? There is no other details about it it just says someone built
9 kg pendulum running on 5 watts - download the video clip to see it - 5.21 MB

If you can't open the one above just go to the link below
 
Look at this one and scroll down a little (you'll see the picture of it a pendulum)
There is very told about what is going on and no details about the builder?? I tried look Ron up and could not find anything on google or youtube???????

http://www.veljkomilkovic.com/AktuelnoEng.html


Hi Brad,

Thank you for your interest! Ron is a retired machinist, living in Victoria BC.
He works closely with Veljko and, as a matter of fact, is an honorary member of the Novi Sad Crew.

The pictures on Veljko's site are of an earlier build. For the latest build go here...

http://www.driveway.com/a8e6e8f3h8

This is the double solenoid operated 18 Kg Mk 5.3 version

Ron


Nihilanth

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Re: 12 times more output than input, dual mechanical oscillation system !
« Reply #728 on: June 20, 2008, 03:35:47 AM »
That double solenoid video is pretty amazing. Makes me think I should change my design idea:

Attaching the pendulum's axis to a crankwheel with the arm extendible only to half the diameter of the crank wheel. and powered by hydraulics, like in 2b's diagram. Maybe with a second. crank on the stationary weights side to turn an electric motor.

My head hurts right now, so I hope I'm making sense.

bradpitt

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Re: 12 times more output than input, dual mechanical oscillation system !
« Reply #729 on: June 20, 2008, 05:18:04 AM »
I Ron
Are you THE Ron???
can you tell me if the device actually worked?? and IF so I would love to give you a call to talk about it??
Thanks
Jeff

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Re: 12 times more output than input, dual mechanical oscillation system !
« Reply #730 on: June 23, 2008, 01:04:47 AM »
I Ron
Are you THE Ron???
can you tell me if the device actually worked?? and IF so I would love to give you a call to talk about it??
Thanks
Jeff

The lesson was just how to drive the pendulum.
What you hang on it for power extraction is another story (that hasn't happened yet, here)

Ron

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Re: 12 times more output than input, dual mechanical oscillation system !
« Reply #731 on: June 26, 2008, 06:38:36 AM »
Ok her is my question...I have set something up to see what happens ....It is basically Milivoc set up with a pendulum and cross bar. What if on the pendulum I have a 2 pound weight and on the lifting end I have a 5 pound weight set on the ground with a cable set up too and when I swing the 2 pound weight it lifts the 5 pound weight up off the ground (it lifts it up about 3 times before it can not pick it up anymore) Pendulum is beinging lifted 2 feet and it lifts the 5lbs off the ground about 5-6 inchs......What is going on???
Anyone????
Thanks for the input

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Re: 12 times more output than input, dual mechanical oscillation system !
« Reply #732 on: June 26, 2008, 07:49:16 AM »
Can somebody please explain to me how anyone with even half a brain for physics can think that the "flashlight" expermiment proves power output?  This is a fools paradise if anything ever was - and I will explain why:

The motion required to light an LED flashlight is very small.  Simply holding one flashlight and giving the input pendulum a little tap is going to give a small flash - for sure.  It is consuming hardly any power - possibly milliwatts. 

Hanging a whole bunch of the same flashlights on the output end is proving nothing either.  Sure - each one will extract a few milliwatts - but that is nothing compared to the power you are pumping into it with your hand.

You could equally "prove" massive Underunity by strapping the 12 flashlights onto your hand, and placing only one flashlight on the output beam ...

I'm intrigued by Milkovic, but this part of his "science" is utter bollocks that a child should be able to debunk. 

A pendulum is a storage device, and a beam is a lever.  I can't see any dynamics here that can't be explained by a pendulum an a lever.  One their own, pendulums and levers have a fascination but are clearly not overunity.  Combined, they get a little more interesting, and the maths obviously gets beyond most of us.  But i'm not seeing anything that should amuse a real scientist for more than a few minutes ...

I am not a skeptic - I suspect it's possible to build a gravity wheel that works - but i'm not seeing it here. 

 


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Re: 12 times more output than input, dual mechanical oscillation system !
« Reply #733 on: June 26, 2008, 08:13:22 AM »
Ok her is my question...I have set something up to see what happens ....It is basically Milivoc set up with a pendulum and cross bar. What if on the pendulum I have a 2 pound weight and on the lifting end I have a 5 pound weight set on the ground with a cable set up too and when I swing the 2 pound weight it lifts the 5 pound weight up off the ground (it lifts it up about 3 times before it can not pick it up anymore) Pendulum is beinging lifted 2 feet and it lifts the 5lbs off the ground about 5-6 inchs......What is going on???
Anyone????
Thanks for the input

It's just like a swinging pendulum.  Potential energy is converted into kinetic energy, and then converted back into potential energy - it does this a few times until friction has consumed it all.  Net result: 0.

We are fooled into thinking that this is overunity - but it is simply a series of energy conversions, each a little lossy.

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Re: 12 times more output than input, dual mechanical oscillation system !
« Reply #734 on: June 26, 2008, 08:55:13 AM »
Can somebody please explain to me how anyone with even half a brain for physics can think that the "flashlight" expermiment proves power output?  This is a fools paradise if anything ever was - and I will explain why:

The motion required to light an LED flashlight is very small.  Simply holding one flashlight and giving the input pendulum a little tap is going to give a small flash - for sure.  It is consuming hardly any power - possibly milliwatts. 

Hanging a whole bunch of the same flashlights on the output end is proving nothing either.  Sure - each one will extract a few milliwatts - but that is nothing compared to the power you are pumping into it with your hand.

You could equally "prove" massive Underunity by strapping the 12 flashlights onto your hand, and placing only one flashlight on the output beam ...

You are absolutely right, and a wittier person than I has made the comment that the experiment with the flashlights would work equally well if the flashlight in the hand was broken.