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Author Topic: 12 times more output than input, dual mechanical oscillation system !  (Read 1249514 times)

Offline dean_mcgowan

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Re: 12 times more output than input, dual mechanical oscillation system !
« Reply #75 on: December 10, 2006, 01:17:35 PM »
i remember another equation that may come in to play in this illusion .. work/time =  ...
maybe the battery pump lever (spring) can transfer the energy to the external system over that time where as in short burst the resistance of the spring in the lever cannot transfer the work done to an external system, hence we see the light .. well .. light up..  maybe ?

still a nifti and convincing slight of hand in my books .. but overunity .. maybe not ?

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Re: 12 times more output than input, dual mechanical oscillation system !
« Reply #76 on: December 10, 2006, 01:19:30 PM »
thanks for the input. either way i have to try it out.

peace


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Re: 12 times more output than input, dual mechanical oscillation system !
« Reply #77 on: December 10, 2006, 01:22:32 PM »
when i finally crack the da vinci code of this overunity stuff .. i think i will refrain friom lighting bulbs to convice anyone as it seems that it is becoming quite the trendy thing to do to wow the crowds these days ..

hmm .. come to think of it its been around for some time .. us humans love a good light show hey ;)

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Re: 12 times more output than input, dual mechanical oscillation system !
« Reply #78 on: December 10, 2006, 01:24:06 PM »
FE,

please do .. really had to take my time chewing on this idea, really liked it myself there for a while.

Cheers,

Dean
 


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Re: 12 times more output than input, dual mechanical oscillation system !
« Reply #79 on: December 10, 2006, 06:57:52 PM »
I use a computer fan to measure load or output, fans do not lie- it takes a known amount of energy to turn them. A light bulb can be rigged- pulsed high voltage input gives the illusion of high power consumption with a small input. smoke and mirrors.

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Re: 12 times more output than input, dual mechanical oscillation system !
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Re: 12 times more output than input, dual mechanical oscillation system !
« Reply #80 on: December 10, 2006, 11:56:07 PM »
AC,

Have you seen the pyramid resonating coil video posted here in overunity a while ago, he had fan running from that, I particularly like pyramids, like most of us fringies, i got quite hooked on them as a kid. I especially like the video where that gentleman proposes the power plant idea.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-3182229760005676897&q=pyramid+power

All in good fun ofcourse, find him a little hard to take seriously.

Regards,

Dean


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Re: 12 times more output than input, dual mechanical oscillation system !
« Reply #81 on: December 11, 2006, 12:04:27 PM »
I've been working on this in WM2D now for roughly 2 days and I wanted to report what I have found so far:

A component of the device does violate the law of conservation of energy, but NOT in a way that I can say is overunity yet. I can say it violates the conservation of energy in a simulated environment because I tested it by using two separate pendulums one stationary and one attached to a flexible lever. Both pendulums ran for the same amount of time so no power was taken from either pendulum by any force other than gravity and wind resistance, but the pendulum attached to the lever was able to supply a ample amount of power to a damper. The kinetic energy supplied to the dampers was somehow taken during interaction but the energy was taken in such a way as to avoid taking any kinetic energy from the pendulum. If the energy that was supplied to the dampers was taken from the kinetic energy of dropping the pendulum the pendulum would not be able to swing for as much time or at the same amplitude as the mirrored yet stationary control pendulum.

Am I missing something simple here? Is this really a violation of thermodynamics?

If anyone has a explanation for my findings or suggestions please respond with @dingus.

Thanks to all,
~Dingus
« Last Edit: December 11, 2006, 01:23:55 PM by Dingus Mungus »

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Re: 12 times more output than input, dual mechanical oscillation system !
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Re: 12 times more output than input, dual mechanical oscillation system !
« Reply #82 on: December 11, 2006, 11:33:26 PM »
@Dingus

The sum of the initial position and the resting states are still the same for each solution ?

Can you confirm that the damper did not impart the same amount of energy back to the system ? (or at least most of it)

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Re: 12 times more output than input, dual mechanical oscillation system !
« Reply #83 on: December 11, 2006, 11:57:23 PM »
Here's a link that shows the tension force produced by a pendulum that starts 90 degrees from equilibrium position.

http://www.vernier.com/discussion/index.html?topic=54

Basically, the tension force is 3 times the weight of the pendulum as it swings to it's lowest point, or equilibrium point.

It only takes a fraction of this force to keep the pendulum swinging. Maybe only 1/12 the power, as Milkovic mentioned. So everytime the pendulum swings, you get 3 times the force pulling down on the lever with only a fraction of the power needed to keep it swinging. One only needs to tap that power on the other end of the lever.

Maybe a crank connected to a flywheel could be used to tap that power. Then connect the flywheel to a generator using gear ratios to generate enough RPMs to run the generator. A fraction of that power produced is then fed back to solenoids to sustain the pendulum swing of about 90 degrees.

Of course in the process of converting mechanical to electrical you will loose some due to inefficencies, but with a ratio of 1 to 12 input to output, we have a lot of room for it.

Below is a diagram of a system that might work.

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Re: 12 times more output than input, dual mechanical oscillation system !
« Reply #84 on: December 12, 2006, 12:28:43 AM »
Hi Brian,

Very good catch on your link, thank you! At least they verified in practice the calculations and surely this 3 times as much force acting on the lever's arm is what could be utilized.
I fully agree with your drawing I wish I had all the mechanical means to test it. Hopefully others may get involved in it too.

rgds,  Gyula

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Re: 12 times more output than input, dual mechanical oscillation system !
« Reply #85 on: December 12, 2006, 12:51:58 AM »
Hi Gyula,

I'd really like to test the drawing also. Maybe my wife will let me convert her old HealthRider excercise machine into one of these pendulum devices.

http://www.healthrider.com/?BN=13350&GCID=S14083x016&KEYWORD=healthrider

There's lot's of lever points and places to put weights on it. I just have to stand it on end and maybe do some cutting and welding to convert it. But she would probably kill me if I messed around with it.

Brian

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Re: 12 times more output than input, dual mechanical oscillation system !
« Reply #86 on: December 12, 2006, 03:04:03 AM »
@Dean
The starting and ending positions of the objects are all sightly different. But those changes were imparted only after dropping the pendulum. I do know a significant portion of the energy is coming from the flexible levers self oscillations when the  pendulum drop occurs. The dampers will resist when stretched or compressed. So I assume they put no energy back, and they only take energy as I understand it. I'm new to this app, and I don't have a full copy of WM2D so I can not save yet! :(

BTW I tried coupling this system to a flywheel for days and discovered that since the frequencies of each component are dropping in value constantly, it is very difficult to keep the wheel and lever working together in a unidirectional manor.

~Dingus


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Re: 12 times more output than input, dual mechanical oscillation system !
« Reply #87 on: December 12, 2006, 04:41:31 AM »
HEY,

has anyone given any consideration to tapping the lever power at the axel with a one way gear, like a crank shaft bearing, on a eighteen speed bicycle?  the free running back axel could be used to swing the pendulem on the down sroke or the upstroke, depending on how you sat it up and you would have aq number of gears to play with as well.

i know i can get these bicycle's for about a dollar u.s. at any goodwill store.  it even looked like one of milkovic's set ups was made with a frame off an old bicycle.  i don't know if he ever tried to use the crank and back axel to swing his pendulem to close the loop.

i can,t wait to get back to my shop to give it a try!!!!

lol
sam

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Re: 12 times more output than input, dual mechanical oscillation system !
« Reply #88 on: December 12, 2006, 06:42:00 AM »
Sam,

Excellent idea with the one way bicycle gearing. That would work perfectly for this setup!

Brian


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Re: 12 times more output than input, dual mechanical oscillation system !
« Reply #89 on: December 12, 2006, 11:14:42 AM »
Hi all
If you are trying to close the loop don?t use a crank with a flywheel. The mass of the flywheel will create a back drag on the lever and influence the swinging pendulum.
In my opinion the pendulum has to swing free in order to create this effect (12 times more ...).
The crank will also synchronize this device and I?m sure that this is not what we are looking for.
Stefan mentioned this before in one of his replies, that here is a kind of phase shifting in play.
The idea with the one way gear in the center of the lever seems very good to me.
But I would also try this one you see in the pic. With parts of a harddisk-drive, the read/write head.

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In that way you can tap the energy directly form the coil and mantain the swinging motion.

You can also align a few of them. In series or even in parallel if you want.

kr
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Re: 12 times more output than input, dual mechanical oscillation system !
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